Flogi
Sep 29 2006, 03:18 PM
"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa. 37:30) A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment.
"Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph." (Amos 5:14-15) How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can't.
You are SINNING when you refuse to judge. Our generation is well described in Isaiah 59:8: "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace."
People have refused to judge, so there is no peace. Paul said in I Corinthians 1:10 to ". . . be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." Why would Paul make such a statement if judging is wrong? In I Corinthians 2:15 Paul says, "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." Judging is not a sin;
judging is a characteristic of being a spiritual person! Satan has been lying to us, hoping that we will NOT judge, because he knows that the right kind of judgment PLEASES God and betters our lives and Christian service.
Someone says, "But should we judge PEOPLE?" Yes, we certainly should.
Paul actually REBUKES the Corinthians for NOT judging: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" (I Cor. 6:1-5) If judging is wrong, then Paul needs to confess and repent for misleading these Christians! He clearly told them to
JUDGE PEOPLE. If judging people is wrong, how can we obey Romans 16:17-18? II Corinthians 6:17? II Timothy 3:5-6? I John 4:1?
If judging is wrong, then God has contradicted Himself and His words cannot be trusted!
Feel free to judge me.
INKOGKNEETOE
Sep 29 2006, 09:28 PM
Flogi
what order would you prioritize things that need to be judged
Kog
Gypsylass
Sep 29 2006, 10:31 PM
I think there is a great deal of difference between Judging someone and offering correction with love for that person, and kindness as well.
gregg
Sep 29 2006, 11:00 PM
Not meaning to sound judgemental, or saying that in a different way, not meaning to judge your mental machinations, but the message is that we are to judge what it is that we do according to what is done to us. 'Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.' You have to react to the world about you. You do not have the power to place everything in the order it needs to be in because of individual want. The bible warns about being 'placed in the balance and found wanting.'
You cannot read a persons mind and say for certain that that is what they are thinking. That is not your job. Even if you are a saint. That is not the saints job. A judge has a whole courtroom of characters to deal with. And if your defender is Jesus Christ, YOU ARE FORGIVEN!
Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Flogi
Sep 30 2006, 12:51 AM
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Flogi
what order would you prioritize things that need to be judged
Kog
We should be able to judge between good and evil.
A lot of christians refuse to go that route.
When Solomon received his kingdom he asked God to "Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between
good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" (I Kings 3:9) James 1:5 says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him
ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
We should pray for good judgment ability.
Humble Bob
Sep 30 2006, 01:40 AM
Flogi, the only problem I see with the scripture you quoted is, who amongst us is righteous to judge others?
Peter declared he was a sinful man. Paul declared he was the chief of sinners.
And the Pharasees and the Saducees saw themselves as righteous to judge and condemn Christ for blasphemy.
I would be scaling a slippery slope if I appointed myself as righteous and proclaimed my right to judge, so I won't.
INKOGKNEETOE
Sep 30 2006, 02:14 AM
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Flogi
what order would you prioritize things that need to be judged
Kog
We should be able to judge between good and evil.
A lot of christians refuse to go that route.
When Solomon received his kingdom he asked God to "Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between
good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" (I Kings 3:9) James 1:5 says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him
ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
We should pray for good judgment ability.Hebrews 5:14
But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Is it more inportant to be in unity that gives growing room for others to mature in faith and knowledge of sound teaching?
or is unity in sound teaching first?
Kog
Flogi
Sep 30 2006, 10:15 AM
Kog, sound teaching comes with proper judgement and vice versa. I do not imply that we should spend all of our time judging. Sometimes people judge when they have no business doing so. In John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment.
This can only be done by following the rules that God has established in His word.QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Sep 30 2006, 01:40 AM) [snapback]85927[/snapback]
Flogi, the only problem I see with the scripture you quoted is, who amongst us is righteous to judge others?
The Bible tells us to judge righteously.
Matthew 7:1, the context (verses 1-5) allows judging after you have first judged YOURSELF. Jesus did not make a blanket statement against judgment. He simply pointed out a RULE for judging.
Paul REBUKES the Corinthians for NOT judging: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
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How many times have you heard someone whine, "Judge not, that ye be not judged?" This verse of Scripture from Matthew 7:1 is often quoted out of context by people who are terrified at the idea of someone preaching against sin or pointing out any form of error in anyone, especially in themselves.
gregg
Sep 30 2006, 11:44 AM
We are not in the Old Testament times. The environment at this time is not conducive to the effects of the purity that was in the Old Testament, so we cannot use the mind of Solomon or David or Jeremiah or Isaiah because they just will not work in the world the way it is and the world will not change. That is why we are to 'come out of the world and be ye separate.' For example, what judgement do you give to a bottle of Coke, or Pepsi, or Moutain Dew? What effects do you think will occur in a big city full of smog and pollution from cars and factories? Do you think that taking pain pills prescribed by a doctor is alright?
Get off of the idea that we are to judge other people. That is what we are not supposed to do!
The saints judge the world; not the people of the world. The people are effected by the world.
And we are the saints; every person is a saint; every person has the right to judge the world.
The bible tells you that you, being a saint, cannot be judged by another.
NoFool
Sep 30 2006, 02:00 PM
I'm glad this subject is being addressed. My personal take on this issue is that we live in a world overrun with a political "correctness" mentality which frowns upon correcting the errors of others. I have seen the verse "judge not lest ye be judged" used and abused more times than I would have liked. Sure, we are not perfect. However, if we see someone claiming to be of God and is instead living in sin, bearing bad fruit like a bad tree, instead of bearing good fruit as a good tree does, we should question wether or not the person is saved as this act of skepticism is also an act of love-- potentially soul-saving love. In a situation such as this, I believe one exhibits the type of judgement God approves of. There is the other type of judgement, such as the common elitist mentality, which we all know God does not approve of. Some forms of judgement are constructive, others are destructive. Perhaps by learning the distinction between the two, could much of this confusion be eliminated? This seems to be the direction I'm heading the more I read on judement.
Gypsylass
Sep 30 2006, 02:46 PM
Sort of like using discernment on when to use judgement
Flogi
Sep 30 2006, 06:21 PM
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I'm glad this subject is being addressed. My personal take on this issue is that we live in a world overrun with a political "correctness" mentality which frowns upon correcting the errors of others. I have seen the verse "judge not lest ye be judged" used and abused more times than I would have liked. Sure, we are not perfect. However, if we see someone claiming to be of God and is instead living in sin, bearing bad fruit like a bad tree, instead of bearing good fruit as a good tree does, we should question wether or not the person is saved as this act of skepticism is also an act of love-- potentially soul-saving love. In a situation such as this, I believe one exhibits the type of judgement God approves of. There is the other type of judgement, such as the common elitist mentality, which we all know God does not approve of. Some forms of judgement are constructive, others are destructive. Perhaps by learning the distinction between the two, could much of this confusion be eliminated? This seems to be the direction I'm heading the more I read on judement.
I agree.
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By Gregg: We are not in the Old Testament times.
That's why I quoted New Testament references as well, you must have missed it or did not read my post.
gregg
Oct 1 2006, 01:45 PM
There is not a righteous soul alive now. Not one. So, we cannot even consider a judgement.
INKOGKNEETOE
Oct 1 2006, 02:40 PM
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There is not a righteous soul alive now. Not one. So, we cannot even consider a judgement.
Romans 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
God gives us His own righteousness revealing this to us through the substance of Faith
Kog
leia
Oct 1 2006, 09:12 PM
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There is not a righteous soul alive now. Not one. So, we cannot even consider a judgement.
Romans 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
God gives us His own righteousness revealing this to us through the substance of Faith
Kog
Good point. Question: Can one judge the action without judging the person? Rather like judgeing evil and not the do of it....I think we discussed that a while back.
Can we go even so far as to judge behavior without judging "persona"?
leia
Flogi
Oct 1 2006, 10:27 PM
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Can one judge the action without judging the person?
Adolf Hitler's actions were evil when he instructed 1000's to be killed in gas chambers during the 40's.
Adolf Hitler as a person was evil.Sadam Hussein instructions were evil when he ordered his military to use weapons of mass destruction to kill 1000's of people in Northern Iraq.
Sadam Hussein as a person is evil.A person coming into your house to rape and kill your daughter commits an evil act and
is an evil person.That should answer your question.
Humble Bob
Oct 2 2006, 12:28 AM
Here is an example to me that judging is not the way to do the Lord's work
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Though, Michael fought with satan, Michael refained from judging satan, and many would judge satan evil. Instead Michael rebuked satan, as any Christian should do with evil and not even judge it.
Rebuking in Christ's name is not judgement, and the Word is our most beloved weapon against evil.
...rebuke evil, not judge it.
INKOGKNEETOE
Oct 2 2006, 06:37 AM
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There is not a righteous soul alive now. Not one. So, we cannot even consider a judgement.
Romans 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
God gives us His own righteousness revealing this to us through the substance of Faith
Kog
Good point. Question: Can one judge the action without judging the person? Rather like judgeing evil and not the do of it....I think we discussed that a while back.
Can we go even so far as to judge behavior without judging "persona"?
leia
Leia
Who is counted as righteous befor God and why? where is the begining of righteousness?
many stumble at the stumbling stone and grope in the darkness, those of us who have put on Christ have put on Gods righteousness, as his righteousness permeates through us we are being changed from one degree of (glory righteousnes knowlege kindness gentleness goodness paitence,) to another.
You know the saying strain a gnat and swallow a camel can be a reminder not to forget the main and waitier things Love Grace and Mercy
Judgment begins at the house of God, if the house is equiped and correctly alined to judge righteous judgement from big thing to the small things from the narrow to the wide things and low things to the high things, then the house will be established and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Kog
gregg
Oct 2 2006, 08:02 AM
Romans 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
You have no conscious control over your heart beat.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
many stumble at the stumbling stone and grope in the darkness, those of us who have put on Christ have put on Gods righteousness, as his righteousness permeates through us we are being changed from one degree of (glory righteousnes knowlege kindness gentleness goodness paitence,) to another.
From the flesh thinking to the spiritual thinking.
Flogi
Oct 2 2006, 10:21 PM
Should we judge the guy who shot 5 schoolgirls today?
Was only his act evil or was he himself also evil?
AngelaNPraise
Oct 4 2006, 06:15 PM
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Here is an example to me that judging is not the way to do the Lord's work
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Though, Michael fought with satan, Michael refained from judging satan, and many would judge satan evil. Instead Michael rebuked satan, as any Christian should do with evil and not even judge it.
Rebuking in Christ's name is not judgement, and the Word is our most beloved weapon against evil.
...rebuke evil, not judge it.
It is quite plain to me that Michael FIRST had to JUDGE satan's actions to be evil and therefore needed to be rebuked.
As far as the man who murdered the little Amish girls, I believe that he was possessed of evil. Since he also was his own executioner, his judgement now lies with the Lord. The Amish have already offered their forgiveness to his family, as Christians we must, but I hope that they station a big guy at the front door of their schoolhouse in the future.
I also believe it is quite possible, and required of us to judge actions and activities as evil without judging the individual. ALL sin is abominable to the Lord, not just the ones that are particulary heinous to us. We have been blessed to have a savior in Jesus, or else all would be lost. When He said, "Your sin's are forgiven. Go and sin no more.", He must have known that judgement would be needed to discern evil and sin in order to not partake of it.
Your sister in Christ, Angela
Humble Bob
Oct 5 2006, 01:53 AM
Okay, same verse different translation...maybe it will read clearer to some other than KJV
Jude 1:9 (Bible in Basic English)
9 Now when Michael, one of the chief angels, was fighting against the Evil One for the body of Moses, fearing to make use of violent words against him, he only said, May the Lord be your judge.
Jude 1:9 (American Standard Version)
9 But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jude 1:9 (World English Bible)
9 But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”
foot stomp, folks, Michael did not judge. He only rebuked.
I believe, the inclination to judge first is of the flesh.
What's the message? Read this aloud to yourself "all of MY sins are an abomination"
finished here
Oct 5 2006, 03:09 AM
So Humbel Bob
You will not judge the works of men for what they are
and then take a stand against them? You will not rebuke,
which means to curse the wicked? You will not stand for anything
then. And so you will fall for everything!
What is discerment then? But the exercising of judgement!
And I suppose then the Ten Commandments can now be broken?
If we can not judge then we are a lawless people
and so we are lawless ones. I however have discernment
and will make judgements! I am not a lawless one!
This then defines the mystery of the lawless one!
The mystery of iniquity which is the mystery of inequity and injustices!
I am not a lawless one!
I am not a lawless one!
I am not a lawless one!
I am not a lawless one!
I am not a lawless one!
I am not a lawless one!
I am not a lawless one!
Dan
Humble Bob
Oct 5 2006, 11:09 AM
The light that is lit shines the path and reveals what is in a room. A furnace simply burns and destroys. Christ called upon me to be a light onto men, and this calling is to all who receives Christ as their savior.
be a light, not a furnace
RosielovesJesus
Oct 5 2006, 11:58 PM
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The light that is lit shines the path and reveals what is in a room. A furnace simply burns and destroys. Christ called upon me to be a light onto men, and this calling is to all who receives Christ as their savior.
be a light, not a furnace
I think you are a sweetheart Humble Bob and I understand what
you have been saying
love,
rosie
finished here
Oct 6 2006, 01:29 PM
The observance of the Ten Commandments requires that we exercise judgment and hence make a choice to obey or not. Hence in making any choice we are making a judgment and we then can not go without judgments in life, we make them every day. Likewise, the New Testament Letters tells us of things that people can be up to in the Body of Christ and then tells us that such folk need to be reprimanded and sometimes expelled or turned over to Satan. This then means that there is a judgment made against these folk for their ways. So how about homosexuals or pedophiles in the pulpit?
We just seen a pedophile uncovered in the Republican party of the Washington D.C. legislature. What should we do with him? Did not Christ say it was better that such a one have a millstone tied about his neck and he be cast into the sea? Sort of a strong view Christ had here. And in this view it then is understood that a nation can make a just law that such a sort of soul could be put to death. What is your view on this? What do you believe should be done? What is your judgment on these words? In your spirit you have already made your judgment on this matter! Just remember here that Christ spoke a death sentence on such a twisted up soul as that would harm and exploit the children! So for this some will hate Christ because they are themselves exploiters and pedophiles and most homosexuals will culture the young to bring them into the bonds of homosexuality. Homosexuals are thus pedophiles in nature who will exploit the youth and thus try to get into our schools to turn our children around to them! Truth! They have it now such that alternative sexuality is being taught in the schools so the homosexuals can then have a base to snatch fresh flesh from for their vexed and twisted up desires. And so; will you also not judge this in the land?
If we then say we are not to judge anything or anyone at all, and not under any circumstance, then we are operating in a lawless manner and not observing any laws in the scriptures. Such folk then are lawless ones. And the mystery of lawlessness is working now in the land since folk who call themselves Christ believers are teaching that we do not have to observe any of the laws of Yawah and that we are not to make any judgments in this life and, not to do so as Christians, and this is a bunch of hog wash and stench. It is a deceptive Antichrist doctrine because it is merely another manifestation of having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.
We are to rebuke the workers of darkness and the wicked and to do so we have to make a judgment and to rebuke means to reprimand and also to curse someone or something. Rebuke means then to place a curse on something; and to do that, you have to have judged it and then come to a conclusion on it. You had to have resolved some findings and thus come to a conclusion.
Well; if we are not to judge for any reason, and then there are no reasons to judge; then we are not in a spiritual battle here on earth and will never be needed as soldiers in His army. Well there are battles and judgments made and no one gets out of military service and duty in the Kingdom of Yawah and so believe what "you" want to believe. What you believe could lead to damnation. I suspect also that more of you should read the Word than to take all of your orders from these false christ preachers today as well as all of the false christ that have come down through the ages, leaving behind this great mass of confusing books they have left in the world after them.
Hence, if you choose to remain as one who lacks judgment then lack judgment and be void of judgment but you will come into the judgment to come because you chose this. You will come under judgment for your lack thereof. And you will come under the curse of those rebuked for lacking judgment since in lacking judgment you were content to remain lukewarm and not become as one hot and full of zeal.
Christ prefers us hot more than anything and thus on fire with Him or else cold (dead) than to be merely lukewarm. Lukewarm is just death warmed over!
Humble Bob
Oct 6 2006, 09:20 PM
Dear DJ, I don't want to belabor the issue on the matter on judgement, but I do want to share with you one final point that had long eluded me until this topic was posted. I believe, the Holy Spirit did finally reveal a simple truth in verse Matthew 5:13, the parable of the salt of the earth
Matthew 5:13
3 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
I had asked my self in the past "how can salt lose it's savour? It's an inherent aspect of what salt is?" I finally understood the truth in this scripture, and just recently, when I thought about the consequences of salt losing it's saltiness, it is counted as worthless and trodden under foot.
The lesson for me is should I ever minister with a judgmental heart I am not far from judging the corruption of men, when in fact I am a man as well with my flesh being corrupt. My flesh twined with spirit that it is willing but the flesh being weak.
That is how salt loses it's savour and deemed worthless, when the unrighteous judge also the unrighteous, and in the name of the Lord, so that when other men see this they trodden upon the words of those who judge in righteous vanity; their hearts are harden against them. The savour of salt becomes an offense to lose it's savour.
And as for the pedophiles and of the homosexuals?
Matthew 9:11-12
11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
This call to repentance, Christ makes, is by love
Journey well, DJ
Love HB
finished here
Oct 7 2006, 09:05 PM
Places where we are to judge things!
This salt here has not lost its savor and if you pour it into an open cut you will find it stings like good salt is suppose to! It has not hence lost its strength one bit! So you are missing the matter here. Christ is not coming back in a peaceful manner He is coming back as the Captain and King of His armies to judge and make war. But I suppose you think then we are to just bow down and roll over and be martyred rather than stand up against the evils? If you know about the signs of the times then you ought to know this is a different day here. Its judgment time like it or not. And should not this nation be judged? Well lets see then whats up here.
I won't pet your peeves for you; or sulk at your pity party with you.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Should we not judge good and bad here and now instead of putting it all off till the Judgment above? Do not you parents make judgments about the acts of your children whether they are good or bad and thus correct them for their own good? And should not we judge ourselves? Should not we look critically at our own selves and judge?
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
"...but judge righteous judgment..." So we are to make righteous judgments. If we don't we then lack judgment and this does not have anything to do with not loving anyone, that is just a spin doctoring around of the truth and you forget about the chastisements of Yawah on the believers. It plainly tells us that if we are not chastised then we are not loved by the Father, but the Father chastises all of His children whom He loves. And so, some of you are just spin doctoring the truth around to fit your world views.
How then are you separating judgment and love? Judgments on the believer are not the same as those on the wicked. And you forget that sometimes Yawah is solid and firm and is not about to put up with nonsense out of people.
Also, them pedophiles have proved that they are not rehabilitate or repent~able. So Christ told us to just toss them into the sea. And His word is good enough for me, or would you rather rewrite that line of scripture to conform to your world view?
Yawah said "Esau I hated, Jacob I loved." He doesn't love everyone of us His creatures you know? Some He out right hates! He gets mad also.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
In the coming kingdom things that come to the gates of the city will be judged and not just any old thing will get in there! Get real! Its the way of things to come!
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. {A prophecy.}
"Hum? Judgment by the word in the last day? Isn't this then that time in history, the Seventh Day since Adam?" Or what day is this?
Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
"...but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way..."
Such a stumbling block then is a corruption of the scriptures that men teach for a doctrine. False teachings, errors, these things we can judge in the Body. If they are not judged then the errors grow and the Body is grossly mislead. The Body will become corrupt. Hum? So we are thus to judge such things as this? Stumbling blocks? How is it then that you say we are to lack any sort of judgment? And if we are to remove the stumbling blocks then we might have to name names and tell others about the men who are misleading and corrupting the faith. What say you? How do you judge this?
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?... Know ye not that we shall judge angels?" Even though it tells us we are presently unworthy, we will nevertheless come about to judge the world and the angels in that day when the time comes. And so, suppose time has come?
1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
So, first of all, you are to be a judge of yourself and thus see yourself as the creature of flesh that you are. You are to put a bit in your mouth and that bit to lead and guide you is the Word of Yawah. The Word then will lead you to see the things in this world that are corrupt and thus lead you to tell others about them and to warn them as a watchman does. This is how and what your righteous judgments are like. So do not twist up and spin doctor up the whole meaning of what judgment is about. And many of you are doing that here in these post. So then, aren't you to also be a watchman? And if you are a watchman you have "judged" certain things to be such that you must warn others about, for the safety of their lives and the salvation of their souls. Or doesn't it matter to you that there are perils in the land here today? If you then lack judgment then many things do not matter to you at all. You have no cares or concerns, no sense of responsibility for anything thats right or wrong until it hits home to you and you become aware of it all the hard way.
"ķAgain the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul." Ezekiel 33:1~9
He makes you a soldier in His army and you have to pull watch. You get guard duty in the tower as a watchman and so, are you going to be asleep when you are suppose to be at watch in the night? No one gets out of military duty in His kingdom.
1 Corinthians 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. {Let one stand by, looking on; judge between the matters. And this is what I am talking about! Judging those materials set forth as supposed doctrines.}
Revelation 19:11 ķAnd I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
"So! He makes war?"
He is not coming into wars but inciting them and making them occur. He is stirring them up. So I suppose now you want to go and say that this passage in Revelations is a corruption or that the whole book is fallible and not inspired? Or that it does not plainly mean what it plainly says which you can plainly read?
Ok, there are places in the scriptures where we are to judge things. There are things also we are not to be the judge of. Yet there comes a day somewheres in all of this that we come to ...judge the world...and...judge angels: is this not written?
It has now been 2000 years since the birth of Christ and so, we are now in the last day of the week since Adam, this is the Seventh Day. Now let me ask you this. Isn't it about time folk judge things such as false doctrines, political corruption, wicked spirits operating in the pulpits, etc? Or would you just prefer that such wickedness and corruptions continue on for a few more decades? How many more pedophile school teachers do you want and how many pedophile priest and preachers do you want? I do not want such in this land but some of you seem to be content to have them so may you make your bed with them if you can not cleanse this land of their wickedness by righteous judgments. And so, today you have corrupt judges legislating from the bench and making up new laws when it is not their place to make law but to uphold that which is made in the Legislatures. And as long as you refuse to make judgments and make a stand, this will continue.
Look at it this way, if I speak to you the truth about lacking judgment and you read this and then do not make a choice to exercise discernment in life. Then this is recorded this day here on earth and in heaven above. It will be on record above forever. I of course know some of you will not believe this.
I know how that some of you think that you do not have to do anything here on earth but speak in tongues and then wait to be delivered from this world and its responsibilities and thus escape tribulations and then come back to inherit the earth when you did nothing here on earth to make it better while here on this side of time? You were a arm chair Christian, a Holy Ghost couch potatoes. You just say, "These things are meant to be and so we can not do a thing about any of it!" Yet, is it not written that "Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world?" And so, I see that there truly are those who have a form of Godliness but deny the power thereof. He is the Mighty One Most High and so you do not operate in the Spirit of the Mighty One since all you are about is ever being defeated and not obtaining the Victory, a Victory Christ already won past tense on the Cross nearly 2000 years ago. And so; believers have yet to grasp that power and live in the reality of it. So far it has taken a long time in history to get near even to believing what the scriptures have to say on this matter.
If you are a child of the Father through Christ, you too are a mighty one here in the earth! You are thus after the likeness of your Father above who is the Mighty One Most High who sits upon the throne above.
Well, some of you will say, "He is not the Mighty One Most High."
Well, "El" usually translated God or Almighty where Almighty is a single short word for Mighty One Most High.
Like it or not a whole tribe of people will sent be here to judge things if you neglect your responsibility to do so.
I suppose you can not recall the passage of scripture that tells us to know to take the good and to throw the bad away? How will you know bad unless you read the Law and thus judge between good and evil? So such souls will remain lawless ones who read not the law of Yawah and who can not make judgments.
And, we are not going to pet your pet peeves for you to make you feel better because your are such a good and Holy soul because you make no judgments! How does lacking judgment make you Holy anyways? We are not going to sympathize with you about it. Sulk in it all you want. If you lack being one who can make righteous conclusions, then you are just a ball and chain and we won't drag you around but cut you loose. We do not need dead weights! If you have no judgments this purely means that you lack convictions and have not been convicted of, that means, convinced of right and wrong! So it is the Holy Spirit that convicts you of what is right and what is wrong. Show us the evidence then, of your convictions by the Holy Spirit? Some of you have not been convinced of that which is right and so you do not have the witness of the Spirit, and by this, we can discern you out. The spirit of lawlessness is not the Holy Spirit.
Like it or not a whole tribe of people will be here to judge things if you neglect your responsibility to do so. A tribe of judges.
How come there is a book in the Bible called "Judges?" I suppose you just gloss over that book?
Like it or not, here in this day in history; things are going to be judged and that can be via you or without you. Just like these things folk say can not be prevented from coming to pass, well, no one can prevent judgment from coming upon the world for it is the power of the Mighty One. So stand against the Spirit of the Supreme Judge all you want, it will be of no avail. We are the children of our Father the Supreme Judge Above and so, we are as our Father above, we too are judges here in the earth: if we are His offspring through Christ. You can not break His laws for as it is written, "Sin is the transgression of the Law." And if there is no law there is no sin, but we know that there is sin even today so there is a law somewheres defining it as such; and many laws since there are many sins today among mankind. And when a law is broken, a judgment is made. A man reaps what he sows.
Every man will reap the harvest he has sown.
The chief sins of this age is apathy, pessimism, compliance, complacency and passiveness. Always conforming to the status quo and not making waves; bowing down to the conformity of a man made king, bowing to Nimrod and Nebuchadnezzar. Even bowing down to folks pet peeves and petting them for them. Sulking along with folk at their pity parties. Crying over a soap opera. And fussing over spilled milk. And overly magnifying the most trivial things. Being eccentric rather than well rounded and hence imbalanced and out of proper focus. Such are a people founded on shifting sands.
Daniel always seemed to have opposition and a problem with those who lobbied before the king. Today we still have the lobbyist, though in Daniel's time they were called the Chaldean's. Too many special interest groups wanting a hand out. Yawah is not one bit interested in a special interest group. He is interested only in the truth. And many special interest groups want to remove Christ's name from the lips of the people.
Are there any special interest groups going around in the Christian circles? Maybe these circles are not really the circles around Christ as much has they are Mystery Babylon who goes about merchandising religion. The apostate church of Rome went about selling all sort of religious relics. They traded in souls and even put up kingdoms for sale, removing and setting up kings. Such was the times in history known as the Dark Ages and the Inquisition (and learn also of the Crusades). If you read Bunyan's "Pilgrims Progress" you understand this. And if you read George Orwell's "1984" you understand then the New World Order.
We need to wake up and listen to better than we have been hearing in this nation and know to read more classic books than to read trash. Want a view, read the writings of Ayn Rand.
Folk like reading things about Nikola Tesla though they haven't got a clue about it unless they know actual radio electronics, yet, what they read about is government suppression of ideas and technology; early on in the historical workings of things. And so, have there ever been, is there or do you think in the future there can, or has been, such things as the men in black as they are called? In past ages the men in black were called Jesuits. Hitler had his black uniformed SS.
As an electronics tech I know folk can read more than what they do. I have to read all of the time. I have to stop and look things up and reference things allot and that is the same way with Bible study. Be a student and not so much a talker! Get judgment straight from the word itself and not from the writings of men and their ideas on it all. The times I have spent in the study of the written Word have always been powerful and profitable.
If you are a seasoned Christian then you should be able to give us a witness; you know, a sermon or two? If you are His witnesses then you have your word He gave you and the sermon of it to witness it to us by. Somewheres in our life's course in Him, He makes us all His ministers. Let this reality then be a sort of useful yard stick of measure but know to judge the doctrines of the sermon so as to discern the Spirit of the witness. Take head to what you hear and use some common sense, and examine the words to see if they are of Yawah or not? You have the right to examine and hence judge the words you hear in contrast to the Word: and not in contrast to the errant words of men's notions on it all. Men's notions are all utter confusion, but you can believe all you hear on radio and t.v. all you want; and thus you are in the confusion of all the babel going on. A better book to read is His word and then use it as your guide, as you look out upon the world.
Why not read the Gospel of John seven times beginning this year and note what it says each time you run across the word "believe" etc. Make notes then go on to read "Acts" and the other Letters and continue to follow the word "believe." You need to do this, so do it! Just believe.
Let us not be people who lack righteous judgment else judgment from on high will come upon us for our apathies.
The chief sins of this age is apathy, pessimism, compliance, complacency and passiveness. Call it all hypocrisy and procrastination. Time has come to stop being an arm chair, couch potato Christian, time to get up off of the fat rump duff. Faith without works is dead. And works born without the true faith is just as dead. This is Yawah's story and He has a chapter or two for us all to unfold before us now and we must behold the things He is to do in the earth. If you lack convictions He will convince you.
Posted: Feast of Tabernacles 2006
finished here
Oct 23 2006, 06:54 PM
Places where we are to judge things!
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Should we not judge good and bad here and now instead of putting it all off till the Judgment above? Do not you parents make judgments about the acts of your children whether they are good or bad and thus correct them for their own good? And should not we judge ourselves? Should not we look critically at our own selves and judge?
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
"...but judge righteous judgment..." So we are to make righteous judgments.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. {A prophecy.}
"Hum? Judgment by the word in the last day? Isn't this then that time in history, the Seventh Day since Adam?" Or what day is this? Is it now not time to use the word to discern good from bad? To judge between the thing clean and unclean?
Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
"...but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way..."
Such a stumbling block then is a corruption of the scriptures that men teach for a doctrine. False teachings, errors, these things we can judge in the Body. If they are not judged then the errors grow and the Body is grossly mislead. The Body will become corrupt. Hum? So we are thus to judge such things as this? Stumbling blocks? How is it then that you say we are to lack any sort of judgment? And if we are to remove the stumbling blocks then we might have to name names and tell others about the men who are misleading and corrupting the faith. What say you? How do you judge this?
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?... Know ye not that we shall judge angels?" Even though it tells us we are presently unworthy, we will nevertheless come about to judge the world and the angels in that day when the time comes. And so, suppose time has come?
1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
So, first of all, you are to be a judge of yourself and thus see yourself as the creature of flesh that you are. You are to put a bit in your mouth and that bit to lead and guide you is the Word of Yawah. The Word then will lead you to see the things in this world that are corrupt and thus lead you to tell others about them and to warn them as a watchman does. This is how and what your righteous judgments are like. So do not twist up and spin doctor up the whole meaning of what judgment is about. And many of you are doing that here in these post. So then, aren't you to also be a watchman? And if you are a watchman you have "judged" certain things to be such that you must warn others about, for the safety of their lives and the salvation of their souls. Or doesn't it matter to you that there are perils in the land here today? If you then lack judgment then many things do not matter to you at all. You have no cares or concerns, no sense of responsibility for anything thats right or wrong until it hits home to you and you become aware of it all the hard way.
"ķAgain the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul." Ezekiel 33:1~9
He makes you a soldier in His army and you have to pull watch. You get guard duty in the tower as a watchman and so, are you going to be asleep when you are suppose to be at watch in the night? No one gets out of military duty in His kingdom.
1 Corinthians 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. {Let one stand by, looking on; judge between the matters. And this is what I am talking about! Judging those materials set forth as supposed doctrines.}
Revelation 19:11 ķAnd I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
"So! He makes war?"
He is not coming into wars but inciting them and making them occur. He is stirring them up. So I suppose now you want to go and say that this passage in Revelations is a corruption or that the whole book is fallible and not inspired? Or that it does not plainly mean what it plainly says which you can plainly read?
Ok, there are places in the scriptures where we are to judge things. There are things also we are not to be the judge of. Yet there comes a day somewheres in all of this that we come to ...judge the world...and...judge angels: is this not written?
It has now been 2000 years since the birth of Christ and so, we are now in the last day of the week since Adam, this is the Seventh Day. Now let me ask you this. Isn't it about time folk judge things such as false doctrines, political corruption, wicked spirits operating in the pulpits, etc? Or would you just prefer that such wickedness and corruptions continue on for a few more decades? How many more pedophile school teachers do you want and how many pedophile priest and preachers do you want? I do not want such in this land but some of you seem to be content to have them so may you make your bed with them if you can not cleanse this land of their wickedness by righteous judgments. And so, today you have corrupt judges legislating from the bench and making up new laws when it is not their place to make law but to uphold that which is made in the Legislatures. And as long as you refuse to make judgments and make a stand, this will continue.
Look at it this way, if I speak to you the truth about lacking judgment and you read this and then do not make a choice to exercise discernment in life. Then this is recorded this day here on earth and in heaven above. It will be on record above forever. I of course know some of you will not believe this.
I know how that some of you think that you do not have to do anything here on earth but speak in tongues and then wait to be delivered from this world and its responsibilities and thus escape tribulations and then come back to inherit the earth when you did nothing here on earth to make it better while here on this side of time? You were a arm chair Christian, a Holy Ghost couch potatoes. You just say, "These things are meant to be and so we can not do a thing about any of it!" Yet, is it not written that "Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world?" And so, I see that there truly are those who have a form of Godliness but deny the power thereof. He is the Mighty One Most High and so you do not operate in the Spirit of the Mighty One since all you are about is ever being defeated and not obtaining the Victory, a Victory Christ already won past tense on the Cross nearly 2000 years ago. And so; believers have yet to grasp that power and live in the reality of it. So far it has taken a long time in history to get near even to believing what the scriptures have to say on this matter.
If you are a child of the Father through Christ, you too are a mighty one here in the earth! You are thus after the likeness of your Father above who is the Mighty One Most High who sits upon the throne above.
Well, some of you will say, "He is not the Mighty One Most High."
Well, "El" usually translated God or Almighty where Almighty is a single short word for Mighty One Most High.
Like it or not a whole tribe of people will sent be here to judge things if you neglect your responsibility to do so.
I suppose you can not recall the passage of scripture that tells us to know to take the good and to throw the bad away? How will you know bad unless you read the Law and thus judge between good and evil? So such souls will remain lawless ones who read not the law of Yawah and who can not make judgments.
And, we are not going to pet your pet peeves for you to make you feel better because your are such a good and Holy soul because you make no judgments! How does lacking judgment make you Holy anyways? We are not going to sympathize with you about it. Sulk in it all you want. If you lack being one who can make righteous conclusions, then you are just a ball and chain and we won't drag you around but cut you loose. We do not need dead weights! If you have no judgments this purely means that you lack convictions and have not been convicted of, that means, convinced of right and wrong! So it is the Holy Spirit that convicts you of what is right and what is wrong. Show us the evidence then, of your convictions by the Holy Spirit? Some of you have not been convinced of that which is right and so you do not have the witness of the Spirit, and by this, we can discern you out. The spirit of lawlessness is not the Holy Spirit.
Like it or not a whole tribe of people will be here to judge things if you neglect your responsibility to do so. A tribe of judges.
How come there is a book in the Bible called "Judges?" I suppose you just gloss over that book?
Like it or not, here in this day in history; things are going to be judged and that can be via you or without you. Just like these things folk say can not be prevented from coming to pass, well, no one can prevent judgment from coming upon the world for it is the power of the Mighty One. So stand against the Spirit of the Supreme Judge all you want, it will be of no avail. We are the children of our Father the Supreme Judge Above and so, we are as our Father above, we too are judges here in the earth: if we are His offspring through Christ. You can not break His laws for as it is written, "Sin is the transgression of the Law." And if there is no law there is no sin, but we know that there is sin even today so there is a law somewheres defining it as such; and many laws since there are many sins today among mankind. And when a law is broken, a judgment is made. A man reaps what he sows.
Every man will reap the harvest he has sown.
The chief sins of this age is apathy, pessimism, compliance, complacency and passiveness. Always conforming to the status quo and not making waves; bowing down to the conformity of a man made king, bowing to Nimrod and Nebuchadnezzar. Even bowing down to folks pet peeves and petting them for them. Sulking along with folk at their pity parties. Crying over a soap opera. And fussing over spilled milk. And overly magnifying the most trivial things. Being eccentric rather than well rounded and hence imbalanced and out of proper focus. Such are a people founded on shifting sands.
Daniel always seemed to have opposition and a problem with those who lobbied before the king. Today we still have the lobbyist, though in Daniel's time they were called the Chaldean's. Too many special interest groups wanting a hand out. Yawah is not one bit interested in a special interest group. He is interested only in the truth. And many special interest groups want to remove Christ's name from the lips of the people.
Are there any special interest groups going around in the Christian circles? Maybe these circles are not really the circles around Christ as much has they are Mystery Babylon who goes about merchandising religion. The apostate church of Rome went about selling all sort of religious relics. They traded in souls and even put up kingdoms for sale, removing and setting up kings. Such was the times in history known as the Dark Ages and the Inquisition (and learn also of the Crusades). If you read Bunyan's "Pilgrims Progress" you understand this. And if you read George Orwell's "1984" you understand then the New World Order.
We need to wake up and listen to better than we have been hearing in this nation and know to read more classic books than to read trash. Want a view, read the writings of Ayn Rand. Read George orwell's "1984"
Folk like reading things about Nikola Tesla though they haven't got a clue about it unless they know actual radio electronics, yet, what they read about is government suppression of ideas and technology; early on in the historical workings of things. And so, have there ever been, is there or do you think in the future there can, or has been, such things as the men in black as they are called? In past ages the men in black were called Jesuits. Hitler had his black uniformed SS.
As an electronics tech I know folk can read more than what they do. I have to read all of the time. I have to stop and look things up and reference things allot and that is the same way with Bible study. Be a student and not so much a talker! Get judgment straight from the word itself and not from the writings of men and their ideas on it all. The times I have spent in the study of the written Word have always been powerful and profitable.
If you are a seasoned Christian then you should be able to give us a witness; you know, a sermon or two? If you are His witnesses then you have your word He gave you and the sermon of it to witness it to us by. Somewheres in our life's course in Him, He makes us all His ministers. Let this reality then be a sort of useful yard stick of measure but know to judge the doctrines of the sermon so as to discern the Spirit of the witness. Take head to what you hear and use some common sense, and examine the words to see if they are of Yawah or not? You have the right to examine and hence judge the words you hear in contrast to the Word: and not in contrast to the errant words of men's notions on it all. Men's notions are all utter confusion, but you can believe all you hear on radio and t.v. all you want; and thus you are in the confusion of all the babel going on. A better book to read is His word and then use it as your guide, as you look out upon the world.
Why not read the Gospel of John seven times beginning this year and note what it says each time you run across the word "believe" etc. Make notes then go on to read "Acts" and the other Letters and continue to follow the word "believe." You need to do this, so do it! Just believe.
Let us not be people who lack righteous judgment else judgment from on high will come upon us for our apathies.
The chief sins of this age is apathy, pessimism, compliance, complacency and passiveness. Call it all hypocrisy and procrastination. Time has come to stop being an arm chair, couch potato Christian, time to get up off of the fat rump duff. Faith without works is dead. And works born without the true faith is just as dead. This is Yawah's story and He has a chapter or two for us all to unfold before us now and we must behold the things He is to do in the earth. If you lack convictions He will convince you.
Written: Feast of Tabernacles 2006