Is everyone ready????.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/08/D8INSAEO3.html WITH PIC

U.S. deploys missile destroyer to Japan

TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- A new top-of-the-line U.S. guided missile destroyer was deployed to Japan on Saturday, amid tensions over North Korea's missile tests.

The USS Mustin sailed into the port of Yokosuka, home to the Navy's 7th Fleet, with a crew of 300 for permanent assignment to the region, 7th Fleet spokeswoman Hanako Tomizuka said.

The Mustin, commissioned in 2003, is one of the most advanced in the fleet.

Its deployment to Yokosuka was previously planned and not in response to North Korea's missile tests, Tomizuka said.

Pyongyang stunned the region on Wednesday by test-firing seven missiles.

In August, Yokosuka will also welcome the USS Shiloh, which last month demonstrated its ability to shoot down missile warheads in a landmark test off the coast of Hawaii.

Both the Mustin and the Shiloh are equipped with radar systems that employ so-called Aegis technology, which is geared toward tracking and shooting down enemy missiles.

The system was instrumental in identifying and assessing Wednesday's missile launchings, which all fell apparently harmlessly into the Sea of Japan.

The U.S. Navy now has eight Aegis-equipped vessels at Yokosuka.

Prophetically Speaking — North Korean Provocation; Toothless U.N. Security Council to Lead to Antichrist, One-World Order - by Bill Wilson, KIN Senior Analyst - www.watch.org

The United Nations Security Council is a misnomer that will be a key instrument in ushering in the one-world order of the Antichrist, as revealed by the latest nuclear missile provocation by the terrorist-sponsoring North Korea on America's Independence Day.

All the nations of the world will be stymied into inaction against an evil force because of the veto power of one or two nations. And those nations will be Russia and China, as they have been the axis of evil lending financial and military support to the Muslim extremists and the shield for any nation that aggressively stands against Israel and the United States.

A look at their own news media reveals what the U.S. State Department is reluctant to, or even refuses to, admit. Russia's ITAR-TASS News Agency says that instead of sanctions, "China and Russia prefer an official statement by the Council president, which would send a clear signal to North Korea on potentially serious consequences of its latest moves for maintaining stability in Eastern Asia."

MosNews, a Moscow News Agency, reports that "China, the North's closest ally, and Russia, which has been trying to re-establish Soviet-era ties with Pyongyang, countered that they favor a weaker council statement without any threat of sanctions. Both countries hold veto power in the council, making sanctions unlikely."

Perspective: Russia and China were also the roadblock in holding Iraq accountable, and there are many intelligence sources saying that Russia helped Saddam Hussein remove his weapons of mass destruction from Iraq in the hours before the U.S.-led invasion.

The United Nations' ineffectiveness in dealing with these problems opens a wide door for a powerful leader that has the support of Russia, China and the United States to compromise national interests in the name of global peace.

Revelation 13:7 (NKJV) says, "And power was given him (the Antichrist) over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." The Bible points to "Gog," modern-day Russia, as the facilitator and enabler of the Antichrist. Watch and pray.

Having been to Korea several times, I can tell you that nobody here has the full picture. We are all eying the north. South Korea is jsut as much so if not a bigger threat. The South Koreans are not the faithfull allies you like to think they are.
The South is sick and tired of this endless standoff. They balme us for prolonging it. The South Koreans want this standoff to end, one way or another.
Some in the South are actually advocating that the South surrender to the North!
Other in the South advocate current negotiations while others want a war of re unification. Reguardless of how korea is re unified, once it is done they want us out! One South Korean said it this way."With our economy and their Nuclear Weapons, we can be a force to be reconned with!" The South does not want to de nuke the north, they want those nukes for a unified Korea.

NOW is the time to step up into the Gap and pray down God's will into this arena. If He awakens you in the middle of the nite...pray for this demonic-driven man who needs to be stopped. God is more than able to stop him and the darkness that controls his mind. I pray that God will send angelic visitations to him and his staff to remind them who is sovereign in the world. Its not the USA either. It is Yahweh! Yeshua! He is in control!!
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Let's pray Obadiah 3 for .......
This morning the Lord spoke to me and showed me the North Korean president is about to experience Obadiah 3 ! And for everyone to get back and watch him move ! Not the country but Kimj

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*N Korea ready for 'all-out war'*

From: Agence France-Presse

July 09, 2006


NORTH Korean leader Kim Jong-Il has vowed not to make "even a tiny
concession" to the United States and said Pyongyang was braced for
"all-out war" after its missile tests, state television has warned.

"The general has declared that not even a tiny concession be made to the
imperialist US invaders, our arch enemy," said a broadcast on North
Korean state television, as monitored by South Korea's Yonhap news agency.


Kim warned that if the United States took "revenge," it would mean
"all-out war."

"It is not empty talk for the DPRK (the Democratic People's Republic of
Korea) to respond with revenge to any revenge by the enemy and with
all-out war to an all-out war," the television said.

The bellicose remarks were the first attributed to Kim since the
communist regime on Wednesday fired seven missiles including a new
long-range Taepodong-2.

Kim mocked US assertions that his regime was on the verge of collapse.

"As the imperialists fussed loudly over our republic's collapse and
attempting to plot against us, the General dealt them a blow by firmly
declaring, 'Do not expect any change from me'."

"It is out of the General's conviction, desire and courage that we
should respond to the enemy's knife with a sword and the enemy's gun
with a cannon," the television said.

"With such conviction and will, the General is achieving a victory and
protecting socialism in the fierce confrontation with the US imperialists."

State television did not say when Kim was speaking. The North Korean
strongman rarely speaks in public with his own voice.

North Korea has repeatedly refused US demands to give up its drive for
nuclear weapons and declared last year that it had an atomic arsenal to
defend itself.

It has boycotted six-nation talks on ending its nuclear program since
November to protest US financial sanctions.

The state television remarks come as US envoy Christopher Hill travels
the region in hopes of building pressure on Pyongyang after its missile
tests.

The United States and Japan are pushing for a United Nations resolution
that would slap new sanctions on Pyongyang, but China and Russia, which
both wield veto power, have both come out against it.

[quote=LoisFaith2000,Jul 9 2006, 02:59 PM]
NOW is the time to step up into the Gap and pray down God's will into this arena. If He awakens you in the middle of the nite...pray for this demonic-driven man who needs to be stopped. God is more than able to stop him and the darkness that controls his mind. I pray that God will send angelic visitations to him and his staff to remind them who is sovereign in the world. Its not the USA either. It is Yahweh! Yeshua! He is in control!!
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THAT DEMOCIC DRIVEN MAN?! This nation, whicjh is slouching towards Gomorra, aborts 1.2 million babies a year, consumes 80% of the illeagl drugs and other vices has the nerve to call HIM a Demonic driven man? Who are we to judge anybody? We who has the worlds largest arsenal of missiles and nuclear weapons are nothing more than arrogant elitests trying to keep someone out of our exclusive club. I don't hink God thinks much more of us. If God does not Judge America, he owes Soddom & Gomorra an appology. We are in no condition to call upon God's wrath upon anyubody.

Kim J. has backed himself into a corner. He is closing doors before the world can even open them...strike that...before the door is even constructed. This can only end one of two ways, KimJ. loosing face and backing down (not likely) or action on our part (whatever that means now). With us having to play "mother may I" with the UN, who knows when real answers will come. I read a few days ago that the U.S. has determined by the trejectory (sp) of one of the launches, that Hawaii may well have been the intended target. Since when do we sit back and wait for a rocket to actually make it here before we send those tomahawks in and take out the launch pad and facilities? I will be sorely disapointed in Bush if we don't see a remote strike in the near future.

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[quote=LoisFaith2000,Jul 9 2006, 02:59 PM]
NOW is the time to step up into the Gap and pray down God's will into this arena. If He awakens you in the middle of the nite...pray for this demonic-driven man who needs to be stopped. God is more than able to stop him and the darkness that controls his mind. I pray that God will send angelic visitations to him and his staff to remind them who is sovereign in the world. Its not the USA either. It is Yahweh! Yeshua! He is in control!!
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THAT DEMOCIC DRIVEN MAN?! This nation, whicjh is slouching towards Gomorra, aborts 1.2 million babies a year, consumes 80% of the illeagl drugs and other vices has the nerve to call HIM a Demonic driven man? Who are we to judge anybody? We who has the worlds largest arsenal of missiles and nuclear weapons are nothing more than arrogant elitests trying to keep someone out of our exclusive club. I don't hink God thinks much more of us. If God does not Judge America, he owes Soddom & Gomorra an appology. We are in no condition to call upon God's wrath upon anyubody.
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There is a big difference, Bernie, that you really seem to miss.

Kim Jung is starving his people to death all the while building nukes and long range missles.

I don't see that happening here.

Kim Jung denies freedom of religion and will not allow people to worship openly.

I don't see that happening here.

Kim Jung is a demonically possessed man. His is a government of one, where he buys off all of his cronies and they in turn do the same thing.

We are not a government of one, believe it or not. We still have the ability to work where we want, eat whenever we want, worship whenever we want. And along with it comes those who abuse the privleges that it affords. So don't judge me, Bernie, as an American, because some of my fellow Americans decide to ignore GOD and do the very things you talk about. Look at Israel - according to your logic they should be destroyed too, because they are a very secular nation - not the obedient nation that some think they are.

I am glad you are not GOD, and that you do not speak for HIM. You think you do, but I don't think so! Prove to me you do and I will apologize to you.

I recall what the LORD GOD was going to do to Sodom:

Ge 13:13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners against Jehovah exceedingly.
Ge 18:20 And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Ge 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Ge 18:22 And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah.
Ge 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked?
Ge 18:24 Peradventure there are fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
Ge 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked, that so the righteous should be as the wicked; that be far from thee: shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Ge 18:26 And Jehovah said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sake.
Ge 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, who am but dust and ashes:
Ge 18:28 peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, I will not destroy it, if I find there forty and five.
Ge 18:29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for the forty`s sake.
Ge 18:30 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
Ge 18:31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the twenty`s sake.
Ge 18:32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten`s sake.
Ge 18:33 And Jehovah went his way, as soon as he had left off communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

So the whole US will be destroyed - sorry, judged - for the sins of all of the other nations? or for the actions of some of the people in it? That is not the way I read GOD's judgment. Everyone pays for their sins individually. If they all collectively are grieveous sinners, they all have it coming, like Sodom.

I think you WANT the US to get whacked by GOD, you can't wait. I don't wish to see ANY nation get destroyed. I would like to see Kim Jung get his, though. For starving people. For killing people. Perosnally, in the flesh, I wish someone would eliminate the guy. But in the spirit, I would hope the SPIRIT gets him, and he changes. Nothing is impossible for the LORD GOD. NOTHING. And maybe the Rest of the world will be changed as well. (I edited it to say "the REST of the world" after posting)

We can all only hope.

Todd

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[quote=BernieEOD,Jul 9 2006, 06:09 PM]
[quote=LoisFaith2000,Jul 9 2006, 02:59 PM]
NOW is the time to step up into the Gap and pray down God's will into this arena. If He awakens you in the middle of the nite...pray for this demonic-driven man who needs to be stopped. God is more than able to stop him and the darkness that controls his mind. I pray that God will send angelic visitations to him and his staff to remind them who is sovereign in the world. Its not the USA either. It is Yahweh! Yeshua! He is in control!!
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THAT DEMOCIC DRIVEN MAN?! This nation, whicjh is slouching towards Gomorra, aborts 1.2 million babies a year, consumes 80% of the illeagl drugs and other vices has the nerve to call HIM a Demonic driven man? Who are we to judge anybody? We who has the worlds largest arsenal of missiles and nuclear weapons are nothing more than arrogant elitests trying to keep someone out of our exclusive club. I don't hink God thinks much more of us. If God does not Judge America, he owes Soddom & Gomorra an appology. We are in no condition to call upon God's wrath upon anyubody.
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There is a big difference, Bernie, that you really seem to miss.

Kim Jung is starving his people to death all the while building nukes and long range missles.

I don't see that happening here.

Kim Jung denies freedom of religion and will not allow people to worship openly.

I don't see that happening here.

Kim Jung is a demonically possessed man. His is a government of one, where he buys off all of his cronies and they in turn do the same thing.

We are not a government of one, believe it or not. We still have the ability to work where we want, eat whenever we want, worship whenever we want. And along with it comes those who abuse the privleges that it affords. So don't judge me, Bernie, as an American, because some of my fellow Americans decide to ignore GOD and do the very things you talk about. Look at Israel - according to your logic they should be destroyed too, because they are a very secular nation - not the obedient nation that some think they are.

I am glad you are not GOD, and that you do not speak for HIM. You think you do, but I don't think so! Prove to me you do and I will apologize to you.

I recall what the LORD GOD was going to do to Sodom:

Ge 13:13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners against Jehovah exceedingly.
Ge 18:20 And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Ge 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Ge 18:22 And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah.
Ge 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked?
Ge 18:24 Peradventure there are fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
Ge 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked, that so the righteous should be as the wicked; that be far from thee: shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Ge 18:26 And Jehovah said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sake.
Ge 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, who am but dust and ashes:
Ge 18:28 peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, I will not destroy it, if I find there forty and five.
Ge 18:29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for the forty`s sake.
Ge 18:30 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
Ge 18:31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the twenty`s sake.
Ge 18:32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten`s sake.
Ge 18:33 And Jehovah went his way, as soon as he had left off communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

So the whole US will be destroyed - sorry, judged - for the sins of all of the other nations? or for the actions of some of the people in it? That is not the way I read GOD's judgment. Everyone pays for their sins individually. If they all collectively are grieveous sinners, they all have it coming, like Sodom.

I think you WANT the US to get whacked by GOD, you can't wait. I don't wish to see ANY nation get destroyed. I would like to see Kim Jung get his, though. For starving people. For killing people. Perosnally, in the flesh, I wish someone would eliminate the guy. But in the spirit, I would hope the SPIRIT gets him, and he changes. Nothing is impossible for the LORD GOD. NOTHING. And maybe the Rest of the world will be changed as well. (I edited it to say "the REST of the world" after posting)

We can all only hope.

Todd
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I don't claim to speak for God, But I fail to find any Scripture where we are bound to kill those we consider evil.The only thing you know about Kim is what that 21" peephole into paradise tells you and I fail to see how you can hate a leader whom you have never met, whose country you never visited. Being a 26 tear veteran, I see things from a different prspective. We are not the good guys we claim to be.
Where is the Gospel is political and economic freedom even mentione much less called upon to fight for? You boast about this nations economic and political freedom and our properity and yet, Jesus says to those in our position "You say that I am rich but i say you are poor!" I fear our arrogance more than any other nation at this time and it is my prayer that God humble us now rather than judge us later.

As far as killing people, the USAF has killed more innocent civilian non comabtants than all of the world terrorist organizations combined. Only Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot have killed more. I have served on submarines threatening more civilians than Bin Laden could ever hope to, ready to wipe out entire cities at the push of a button. Berlin, Dresdyn, Colonge Tokyo, Osaka, Horoshima, Nakasaki, Pyongyang, Hanoi, Hiaphong, Bagdad, Belgrade, Bagdad again. In any one of these cites we have killed more civilians than all of the current terrorist organisations. We need to take the plank out of our own eye before we point to the spec in others.

I pray that God will send angelic visitations to him and his staff to remind them who is sovereign in the world. Its not the USA either. It is Yahweh! Yeshua! He is in control!!
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Sorry, but in our arrogance, we do believe that we are in charge and God will, in his own timeshow US differently. We are in no position to dictate anything to anybody.

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"One Military Analysis: Multiple Missile Launches by N. Korea...follow the $..."

The enemy of my enemy is my "friend". North Korea's missile launches are part of a cozy friendship between Iran and N. Korea......funded by Iran. It appears that the Palestinian attack on Israel and the N. Korean missile launches are all part of the same plan to instigate a world war which they hope will result in the destruction of the U.S. and Israel. Interestingly, Russia and China were silent......silent meaning consenting. Venezuela's Chavez is a loose cannon aligning himself with the other nut cases leading N. Korea and Iran into their own demise. "He who keeps Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep."

Northeast Intelligence Network - News

Multiple Missile Launches by the DPRK: One Military Analysis
Posted by admin on 2006/7/4 15:19:13 ( )

*by Sean Osborne, Associate Director, Senior Analyst, Military Affairs
sosborne@homelandsecurityus.com

5 July 2006: Based on nearly a lifetime of military experience, it is my professional assessment and analysis that the continuing North Korean missile launches were and remain for, first and foremost, specific political, and military purposes, not entirely driven by internal North Korean requirements or necessity. For instance:

Follow the Money: The funding of these missiles and their launches came directly from the treasury of the Islamic Republic of Iran. North Korea is a destitute Stalinist nation, long on the verge of collapse. I believe these missiles, their fuel and the technical staff which prepare and maintain them were bought and paid for by the Islamic Republic as well as significant contributions by other nations friendly to the regime.

US Preoccupied: North Korea has correctly assessed that with a significant portion of US combat power and national treasury engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as counter-terrorism operations around the globe, it could proceed with the launches because the United States WOULD NOT react decisively to such an aggressive display of military force. Diplomatic huffing and puffing, but not much more - which is no deterrent at all to such nakedly aggressive behavior in the Western Pacific.

Preplanned Launch Date: The timing of these tests was intentionally scheduled to coincide with the American 4th of July holiday... this is a blatantly overt message of aggression. The increase of US intelligence, security and BMD defensive postures over the previous days and weeks prior to these launches CLEARLY evidences that the US Government knew well in advance that these multiple launches would occur during this holiday period.

A Message to the US & Japan These missile launches were also a belligerent message directed at the strengthened military relationship and increased joint military capabilities which exist between Japan and the United States, which in turn is specifically directed to counter North Korean military adventurism.

Telling Reactions by China, Russia: The reactions from totalitarian Russia and Red China to these North Korean launches will serve to illustrate with crystal clear, laser-like precision the intent and nature of the so-called Shanghai Pact towards the Western Judeo-Christian democracies led by the United States.

Sino-Russian Agenda at Play: That the North Korean dear leader was in Russia just prior to the ignition of these launches should be lost upon no one who has been paying attention to the Sino-Russian anti-American agenda. North Korea is a most convenient proxy as it currently exists to these nations as well as Iran. More importantly, had Russia or Red China not wanted these missiles to be launched - they would not have been launched. Period.

North Korea Launches Several Missiles - Scud, Nodong, Taepodong-2

4 July 2006:Shattering the relative calm surrounding this U.S. Independence Day, North Korea reportedly test fired 10 missiles into the direction of East Sea (Sea of Japan) between 3:30 and 7:30 a.m. local time. Reportedly, the long-range Taepodong-2, three-stage ballistic missile broke up in mid-air 30-40 seconds after launch; the others were unguided scud type missiles that landed in the sea of Japan. US NORAD monitored all launches and described them as “failures.�

We are investigating reports that multiple firings took place It is the DPRK's second test of the Taepodong, and the first test of the Taepodong-2 long range missile that has the reported ability - with a limited payload - to reach various areas of the United States.

One senior military official who spoke on condition of anonymity stated that 'the big story here should be that for the large part, Iran has been financing North Korea Missile program.' We are currently developing this information.

Bernie...I hope you're not rejoicing in that...

North Korea Threatens 'All-Out War'
NewsMax.com Wires
Monday, July 10, 2006


North Korea Threatens 'All-Out War'


SEOUL -- North Korea's leader Kim Jong-il said his country would not budge in negotiations with the United States, adding the reclusive state was ready to meet any attack with a strong blow of its own, Yonhap reported on Sunday.



"Kim declared that even a small concession wouldn't be made to the sworn-enemy U.S. imperialistic aggressors," the North's Korean Central Broadcasting Station (KCBS) said in an editorial monitored in Seoul, the South Korean news agency said.



After Pyongyang defied world opinion and test-fired seven missiles last week, Japan formally introduced a U.N. resolution, co-sponsored by the United States, Britain and France, to impose sanctions against its missile program.



"Kim announced a heroic DPRK (North Korean) position, in which it promised to answer to an enemy's retaliation with retaliation and to an all-out war with an all-out war. That is not empty words," the broadcast said.



Kim did not refer to the missile tests and the North Korean broadcaster did not say when he made the comments, Yonhap said.



In previous official media reports, North Korea promised to use force against any country that tries to pressure it into a halt of its missile launches.

[I] Perhaps North Korea wasn't testing their missles, but testing the USA's ability to detect them and defend againist them, clearly, USA is not prepared....
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I am not reassured.
First they said it was six.
No, cancel that, it was just three.
Hold it. The first report was correct, it was six.
Nix that. It was five.
OK, this time we've got it -- it was six after all.
Now it's seven.
The Russians and South Koreans say there were 10.
That was the -- dare I call it the Chinese fire drill -- that unfolded at the White House on the day North Korea shot a baker's half-dozen missiles in our general direction. Foxy Tony Snow really earned his money that day, running back and forth between the White House press room and the White House situation room, changing the number of missiles up, down, up, down and back up again all morning.
Hours after North Korea pushed the launch buttons, our U.S. commander in chief still had only the foggiest idea of what had been heading our way. Were they the big Taepodong Two intercontinental missles? Or were they shorter range Scuds? Or both? Or a combination of all the above? The Bush administration clearly did not know and didn't know for an unsettling amount of time.
Had this been the real thing, Hawaii might have been missing an island on Wednesday morning.
Of course the Pentagon was quick to reassure folks that they were ready, willing and able to shoot down an incoming Korean missile had it appeared to be heading our way. Which is, of course, utter nonsense -- and a barefaced lie.
The U.S. Missile Defense System (aka "Star Wars") has been controversial since Ronald Reagan dreamed it up nearly a quarter century ago. I have neither the desire nor energy to re-argue the case(s) for and against such a system. But, in light of this week's happenings, I am forced to wonder, what have they done with my $500 billion spent on it so far?
By this time, and with all that money, our commander in chief, whose command is required before interceptor missiles can be launched, still had less information during this crisis than CNN. Worse yet, CNN had better information.
So, 20 years and $500 billion later, here's what we have: If someone launches a missile attack with our address on it, we still cannot tell exactly how many missiles are heading our way or what kind of missiles they might be. All we know is something wicked our way comes -- maybe.
If you are inclined to find comfort in the Pentagon's post-launch chest thumping, you haven't been paying attention. Yes, it's true that President Bush has ordered a limited deployment of the first missile interceptors, based in California and Alaska. But be clear, those two Star Wars bases are to U.S. missile defense what the Potemkin Village is to North Korea. All show, no go.
In the past six years of flight tests, here is what the Pentagon's missile-defense agency has demonstrated: A missile can hit another missile in mid-air as long as (a) the operators know exactly where the target missile has come from and where it's going; ( the target missile is flying at a slower-than-normal speed; © it's transmitting a special beam that exaggerates its radar signature, thus making it easier to track; (d) only one target missile has been launched; and (e) the "attack" happens in daylight. (Slate)
The only way the Pentagon and its co-conspirator defense contractors can get these interceptors to hit a moving target is to cheat.
I don't know if missile defense is possible or just history's most expensive "duck and cover" public relations ruse. What is clear is that doing so is very, very, very hard. And finding out is going to continue being very, very, very expensive.
The Rand Corp. looked at the program and concluded:
Even under ideal circumstances and with the latest technologies, ballistic missile defense is exceedingly difficult. Destroying an (missile) RV in flight requires an end-to-end sequence of successful tasks: detecting and classifying the threat missile, predicting the threat trajectory, cueing sensors down the line, tracking the target, discriminating the target from clutter and countermeasures, acquiring the target for intercept, intercept, kill assessment, and repeating the sequence as required. A failure anywhere in this chain precludes successful intercept … Countermeasures compound these challenges. (More)
Can you reconcile the above with what we saw and heard from the White House this week?
Where was that "end-to-end sequence of successful tasks?" They detected launches but couldn't tell how many. They knew there were missiles but could not "classify the threat." They had no idea where they weee going (trajectory) but had to wait for confirmation that the missiles had fallen harmlessly into the sea of Japan. And forget about "discriminating the target from clutter," since everything was cluttered until hours after the smoke cleared.
So, what's my point? Am I against the United States' being protected from missile attacks? No. I could get behind a missile defense system if it worked and if they could get it working before it's actually needed.
It just seems to me that this event raises only two possibilities:
(1) America has lost its touch. We can't do remarkable and important things any longer; and (2) someone(s) needs to go to jail for stealing half a trillion bucks from U.S. taxpayers, leaving us no more secure from nuclear attack than we were back in the 1950s when I and millions of other school kids were reassured we'd be safe from nuclear attack huddled under our wooden desks.
Come on, folks. Admit it. What we saw this week is all you need to conclude that it's one or the other.

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Bernie...I hope you're not rejoicing in that...
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I don't rejoice in us arrogantly dictating policy to other nations
I don't rejoice in us invading other nations anf forcing them to join our current slouch towards Gomorra.

It is my hope and prayer that God Chastise us now rather than judge us later.
"Evil Empire" is a redundant term. Any human empire is evil. God has not been very kind to any Empire that has ruled the Earth. He has allowed empires to fulfill his purpos and then cast them aside. We are no different.

If this is indeed the beginning of the final days, then nothingwe do will stop it, in fact, our arrogance will only help the process along. More disturbing than that, WE could be the anitchrist. People tend to believe that the anitichrist will be a world dictator in the likies of Hitler or Stalin. How do we know that it is not the "Allies"
or "The coalition" or "The Global community" that WE are currently trying to achieve?

I support you Bernie. I think that if we all leave our pride on the side and get to see this nation as other people in the world see it, for what it is and has done: helping lots of countries, and bombing others. We would all have a different perspective and will be able to think outside of the box. I would like to believe that when our Father comes, we will all become His. We belong to the Lord, not to a nation. And if we look closely into america`s foundation, we would know that the hand of evil has been present since the beggining. Our ¨Christian founding fathers¨...try mason for instance. I`m not making it up, you can find it for yourselves. Like some statues of Georgie boy Washington, assuming the Baphomet position, just like his light bearer. But well, who are we to go against hundreds of years of deception and brainwashing? After all we live in an eartly world, ruled by the father of lies. I just hope and pray in the Lord, that truth will be revealed in time. Until then, God bless you all here and everywhere.

Chronicles.

And if you don`t believe in the presence of evil in the new babylon, just count how many mason-pagan-egyptian obelisks (pyramid) we have in America. And mason symbols just like our so called statue of liberty. Hohoho, like with christmas carols, we`ve all been deceived.

Those subtle hints are there all around. Our treatment of the natives even before we became a nation says a lot too. While the Natives were not innocent either, there was an incident during the French & Indian War that speaks volumes about who we really are. In retaliation for an Al Gonquin raid, the militia reatiated against the nearest tribe. This tribe not only had nothing to do with the Indian raid but was a tribe that had converted wholeheartedly to Christianiy. The entire tribe dies on thier knees in prayer asking God not to hold this sin against those who were killing them.


Christmans was not a mainstream hiliday in America until the 1890's. Which, by the way the 1890's was when the first large wave of imorality swept accross America. George Washington Crossed the Delaware on Christmas. The Hessians were on Holiday stand down since it was "Against the rules of warefare" to attack on Christmas. The Americans killed the german troops who were sleeping in from last nights party. It is said that the first Hessians to die were shot in the back while singing Christmas carols around the tree.

We killed natives and enslaved Africans.

And how many died in the Civil War? About a million?

We now have the blood of over 45 million babies on our hands. This land is sick with their blood and is already beginning to "vomit" out its inhabitants.

If it weren't for the Lord's mercy and prayers of the righteous--one can only shudder to think of what lies ahead.

Will we never learn?

Prayerfully in Christ,

Mike

I am beginning to understand that the more I grow in Christ, the more I focus on changing the world and working for Jesus.

I understand the "doom and gloom" message... and sometimes the word from God will be "REPENT" and "YOU HAVE ANGERED ME". But mostly in my quiet times with God, He doesn't speak of these things. Instead, He casts vision and gives me purpose in my life while healing my brokenness. He also brings people to mind so that I might pray for their healing and for their obedience in walking in His will.

There is a certain amount of awe I have when I think of destruction. Revelation's word pictures are terrifing... and I might know more scriptures from this book than from any other. I am awe struck to think that a tsunami killed 250,000 in Southeast Asia. But I do not wish for these things. After 9/11, many of us (myself included) were glued to the TV in disbelief. I admit to having a certain odd and eerie curiosity at the unfolding horror on the screen. However, I am also beginning to realize that this focus on and fascination with destruction is of the flesh... just like watching a violent movie with cars bursting into flames and with people being blown to bits is feeding the flesh.

As I grow and go with the Lord, I realize how important it is for me to have clean hands and a pure heart. If I do my part and serve Him faithfully, He will take care of the rest.

I want the Lord to come, but I want Jesus to bring many to Himself before He does.

jhamner,

"As I grow and go with the Lord, I realize how important it is for me to have clean hands and a pure heart. If I do my part and serve Him faithfully, He will take care of the rest.

I want the Lord to come, but I want Jesus to bring many to Himself before He does"

Well stated and a very wise position to take.

I hope that my position is ever closer to Jesus.

And how many died in the Civil War? About a million?


65,000 id the official count. The Civil War was to right a wrong that was swept under the raug when the nation was founded. While both sides had to place some kind of spin on their reaons for fighting (The North to preserve the Union, the South for States Rights) Slavery was the hot button issue.
Lincoln said it best in his second Inaugural address when he proclaimed
We both read the same Bible, We both pray to the same God, and both of us prayed for a quick victory. Niether of our prayers were answered for insted we recieved this long bloody war. I shall not judge lest I be judged but I fail to see how one can call himself rightious when he recieves his wealth from the toil of others. It is my opinion that this bloody war is God's judgement upon this nation for having tolerated slavery for as long as we have and that he will not end this war until every drop of blood demanded by his Justice shall be fulfilled"

Amen!
excellent jhamner.
This is my desire too.

love,
rosie

Entry of U.S. Nuclear Carrier into S. Korean Port under Fire
Pyongyang, July 27 (KCNA) -- The U.S. naval task flotilla led by nuclear-powered carrier Enterprise entered Pusan Port, south Korea. This is an extremely dangerous military provocation that pushes the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the brink of a war as it is part of the U.S. moves for a war of aggression against the DPRK that have entered a dangerous phase recently. Rodong Sinmun Thursday observes this in a signed commentary.
The entry of Enterprise into Pusan Port merits very serious attention as it was made at a time when the U.S. is further increasing its military pressure upon the DPRK while escalating the unreasonable sanctions against it, the commentary notes, and goes on: As for the Enterprise, it was sent to the East Sea of Korea to threaten the DPRK whenever a crisis occurred on the Korean Peninsula including the armed spy ship "Pueblo" incident.
The situation proves that the outbreak of a new war on the peninsula is becoming a reality due to the U.S.
Given that the U.S. imperialists' attempt to threaten the DPRK by force and launch a new war of aggression in Korea at any cost has been proven to be a reality it is clear to everyone that the DPRK can never remain a passive onlooker to it.
The U.S. would be well advised to behave with discretion, clearly understanding that its hostile moves for aggression against the DPRK will only precipitate its self-destruction.
The DPRK will strongly react to the U.S. imperialists' reckless moves for a war of aggression.
...............................................................benny

Entry of U.S. Nuclear Carrier into S. Korean Port under Fire
Pyongyang, July 27 (KCNA) -- The U.S. naval task flotilla led by nuclear-powered carrier Enterprise entered Pusan Port, south Korea. This is an extremely dangerous military provocation that pushes the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the brink of a war as it is part of the U.S. moves for a war of aggression against the DPRK that have entered a dangerous phase recently. Rodong Sinmun Thursday observes this in a signed commentary.
The entry of Enterprise into Pusan Port merits very serious attention as it was made at a time when the U.S. is further increasing its military pressure upon the DPRK while escalating the unreasonable sanctions against it, the commentary notes, and goes on: As for the Enterprise, it was sent to the East Sea of Korea to threaten the DPRK whenever a crisis occurred on the Korean Peninsula including the armed spy ship "Pueblo" incident.
The situation proves that the outbreak of a new war on the peninsula is becoming a reality due to the U.S.
Given that the U.S. imperialists' attempt to threaten the DPRK by force and launch a new war of aggression in Korea at any cost has been proven to be a reality it is clear to everyone that the DPRK can never remain a passive onlooker to it.
The U.S. would be well advised to behave with discretion, clearly understanding that its hostile moves for aggression against the DPRK will only precipitate its self-destruction.
The DPRK will strongly react to the U.S. imperialists' reckless moves for a war of aggression.

Note: reposting this.......

(I thought it might be good to send out some prophetic words that were
given to me a few years back. They talk about North Korea and how our
focus on Iraq will change to that of North Korea. These are strategic
times that we live in as we see these things develop before us around
the world. We know, however, that God is in control and that his ways
are not our ways. Follow the links below to go to the complete
message.)

Thank you,
Stephen Hanson

"I tell you that a wind is blowing upon North Korea. It will blow upon
their army and propel them into maneuvers. Many of the peoples of the
east will get caught up in these maneuvers. The wind has blown upon
Iraq but it will shift. It is as one big chess game with the various
players within it."

"CAN YOU DISCERN THE WIND?"
Aug. 2, 2003
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth/section38.html

"I tell you that North Korea is building an arsenal, and they are also
in league with China. The war on terrorism is not a war that one can
win as easily as one might think. It involves the entire world."

"THE WAR IN IRAQ WILL CHANGE INTO ANOTHER WAR"
Oct. 9. 2004
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth/section44.html


"I tell you that dark forces have been at work in parts of China and
North Korea and Russia. They have been working their schemes to cause
those in high places to build up their arsenals. For there is a league
and an underground effort that is going on."

"THE BATTLE RAGES ON FOR THE WORLD AND ITS DOMINION"
July 2, 2005
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth/section47.html

tseyigai@yahoo.com
http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth
1824 E. San Rafael St.
Colorado Spgs, CO. 80909

Two Koreas exchange gunfire along fortified border 1 hour, 27 minutes ago



SEOUL (Reuters) - North and South Korean troops along their heavily fortified border exchanged gunfire for the first time in about a year, a military official said on Tuesday, with the incident coming as ties between the two have soured.

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North Korean troops fired two shots at a South Korean guard post near the Demilitarised Zone on Monday night and South Korean troops returned six shots, an official said by telephone.

"No one was injured in the incident," the Joint Chiefs of Staff official said.

One of the shots hit the guard post, causing South Korean troops to immediately return fire, the official said.

Ties between the two Koreas had been warming in recent years as the two reached a number of agreements on economic cooperation and military confidence building.

The last time there was an exchange of gun fire along the DMZ was in October 2005, the official said, when North Korea fired a bullet toward at a South Korean guard post and the South returned fire.

The navies of the two had a major clash along a disputed maritime border in 2002, resulting in deaths and casualties on both sides.

North Korea defied international warnings and test-fired seven missiles about a month ago.

At an inter-Korean ministerial meeting in July, Seoul pressed Pyongyang to explain why it had launched the missiles. Seoul said it would suspend humanitarian aid until Pyongyang returned to stalled six-country talks on ending its nuclear weapons program.

North Korean delegates stormed out of the meeting and said the South would "pay a price" for spoiling inter-Korean ties.

Since then, North Korea has halted several projects with the South, including the reunions of families separated by the 1950-1953 Korean War.

The two Koreas are technically still at war because the Korean War ended in a truce and not with a peace treaty.

North Korea has stationed most of its 1.2 million-man army near the DMZ. South Korea has more than 650,000 troops, who are supported by about 30,000 U.S. troops.
.......................................................................benny

...........P.S. .........Veronica,......Welcome back from your trip ......................................................benny

Aug. 3, 2006 10:36
Report: N. Korea building missile bases targeting Japan, US troops
By ASSOCIATED PRESS


North Korea is building new bases on its east coast, possibly to deploy ballistic missiles targeting Japan and US military forces based there, a state-run South Korean think tank said.

The move could involve plans to deploy the long-range Taepodong-2 missile that the North test-fired last month, the Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security said in a report seen Thursday by The Associated Press.

The communist nation is also believed to have obtained Chinese technology via Iran in developing the Taepodong-2, its newest long-range missile believed capable of reaching the US, said the Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security in a report seen Thursday by The Associated Press.

"New underground missile bases have been built or are under construction around the border with China and along the east coast," the report said. Those "on the east coast could be seen as bases for medium- or long-range missiles targeting Japan and US military bases in Japan," it said.

Taepodong-2 and also SSN-6 missiles, which have a range of up to 4,000 kilometers (2,500 miles), could be deployed to the new bases, the think tank said.

The report dated July 26 didn't give a source for the information. Its main author, Yun Deok-min, wasn't reachable for comment.

Missile exports have been a major source of hard currency for North Korea. The report said the North makes US$150 million a year from missile exports.

Buyers of North Korean missiles include Iran, Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen, according to the report.

"North Korea is at the center of global ballistic missile proliferation," it said.

Since North Korea test-launched the shorter-range Taepodong-1 rocket over Japan in 1998, Pyonyang's missile program has been regarded as a major security issue in Northeast Asia, adding to concerns about the hardline regime's pursuit of nuclear bombs.

Tensions flared anew as the communist regime test-fired seven missiles on July 5 toward Japan, including one Taepodong-2. The missiles landed in waters between the Korean Peninsula and Japan and the Taepodong-2 failed right after launch.

The tests drew widespread international condemnation. Japan led efforts to press the U.N. Security Council to adopt a resolution denouncing the launches and banning countries from trading with North Korea in missiles or missile-related technologies.

North Korea claims the tests were its sovereign right as part of a routine military exercise.

The report said North Korea closely cooperated with Iran in developing the Taepodong-2 missile and there is a high possibility of Chinese design and technology being used for the development as Iran has cooperative relations with China in defense industry.

It also said the North has a Scud missile base just 50 kilometers north of the border with South Korea that can hit targets deep in the South.
....................................................benny

North Korea

Dana Thompson


burning-bush-church.org


Today, I was at a banquet celebrating 15 years in the ministry with two dear friends of ours. While in the midst of rejoicing in spirit, I was taken up in the spirit. And the Lord began to speak to me concerning North Korea.



He said, "Dana, do you know what I'm doing in this nation?" I have called you to speak to nations, and I have anointed you in this hour to speak my word to nations." He began to show me the liberation of the people in North Korea, and the reuniting of the North and the South.



I saw the downfall of Kim Jong II. I saw the Lord bring him down, and another will take his place. Kim Jong Il is going to bring about his own downfall and stumble over His own plans. He will ultimately fail as the leader in North Korea, and another will take his place. The person who took his place came to a place in his rule where he begins to reach out, and ask for help. He had a heart for the people, and will move this nation into democracy. Millions will come to the Lord as a result. And, the North and South will be reunited. But now the Lord is visiting North Korea Himself, and will determine the fate of Kim Jong II in the near future. You will see the hand of the Lord move in various ways that is not only going to liberate the people but also bring in the end time move of God to North Korea.



The second portion of the vision was the responsibility of the West. The Lord showed me how we are the nation he has called to stand in the gap and make up the hedge to intercede for this nation. The Lord showed me how he is placing it on the heart of many in the body of Christ to intercede for this nation.



And, while many may trust in anti-ballistic missile systems for their security; the angelic has been engaged in this warfare. Also, while many may equate the dismantling of missiles to failure of the North's technology, I tell you praise God for divine angelic protection. There is a spiritual wall of protection during this time from the schemes of the enemy. Remember, war started in heaven before it came to earth.



My prayer is that God will give you a burden for the people of North Korea, please pray for the people of North Korea!

As if there wasn't enough going on everywhere e look around the world today, ABC News put out the following article today.

Once again, timing seems to be everything with the looming date over Iran's Aug. 22nd own nuclear program.



Aug. 17, 2006 — - There is new evidence that North Korea may be preparing for an underground test of a nuclear bomb, U.S. officials told ABC News.

"It is the view of the intelligence community that a test is a real possibility," said a senior State Department official.

A senior military official told ABC News that a U.S. intelligence agency has recently observed "suspicious vehicle movement" at a suspected North Korean test site.

The activity includes the unloading of large reels of cable outside P'unggye-yok, an underground facility in northeast North Korea. Cables can be used in nuclear testing to connect an underground test site to outside observation equipment. The intelligence was brought to the attention of the White House last week.

Even before this most recent intelligence, there has been growing concern within the U.S. government that North Korea has been moving toward a nuclear test. North Korea is believed to have enough nuclear material to build as many as a dozen nuclear bombs, but it has never tested one. A successful test would remove any doubt that North Korea is a nuclear power.

"What does he have to lose?" asked one senior military official, referring to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.

On July 4, North Korea conducted seven ballistic missile tests, which provoked international condemnation, including a unanimous United States Security Council resolution condemning its actions. A nuclear test, however, would be seen as a much greater provocation than the missile tests. Only seven other nations in the world have ever conducted nuclear tests.

U.S. officials fear a nuclear test could provoke a nuclear arms race in East Asia, forcing Japan and South Korea to develop their own nuclear weapons.

"A nuclear test is going to be alarming and troubling for everyone and would cause a very strong reaction I think from all of North Korea's neighbors," said former National Security Council official Michael Green, now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

U.S. officials caution that the intelligence is not conclusive. Last year U.S. spy satellites picked up suspicious activity at suspected test sites in North Korea, leading some to predict an imminent nuclear test, but nothing happened.

Underground nuclear tests are notoriously difficult to detect ahead of time. U.S. intelligence agencies, for example, failed to predict nuclear tests by India and Pakistan in 1998.

Officials say it is possible that North Korea may either be putting on a show for American spy satellites to get attention, or may conduct a nuclear test in an entirely different location.

Some analysts believe Kim Jong Il may feel the only way to be taken seriously is to prove that North Korea is a nuclear power. Officials acknowledge that nobody really knows Kim Jong Il's intentions, but there is a belief among analysts that he is upset about the recent U.N. resolution condemning his missile tests and upset with the Chinese for supporting that resolution.

This is just an after thought;............N. Korea, could possibly be testing a nuclear bomb for Iran, that maybe Iran had built???...For the purpose of hiding Iran's new little toy???........................benny

There could be a possibility that they would "test" their new toy on Israel, the UK or USA.
Why test it underground, one might as well test it somewhere where it produces actual results.

Possible????

Good morning Diver, Benny, Floggi: The Lord has had me up every morning praying! Something is up...and Israel/ME is primary focus of my prayers...though the safety of US is close behind. Something is up!

I'm gonna try to get back in bed and sleep for a couple of hours .....Our God does not slumber....Hallelujah!

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Re: NORTH KOREA APPEARS TO BE PREPARING FOR NUCLEAR TEST

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US calls reported N. Korean nuke test provocative
By ASSOCIATED PRESS


The White House, responding to a US media report that North Korea may be preparing for an underground test of a nuclear bomb, said such a test would be an "extremely provocative" act that would be denounced around the globe.

ABC News on Thursday quoted an unidentified senior US State Department official as saying, "It is the view of the intelligence community that a test is a real possibility."

ABC also quoted an unidentified
from: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

If Iran hasn't already acquired, nukes, it's because they weren't trying to. Not only is Iran enriching uranium, it could have easily gotten nuclear weapons-grade materials from North Korea, from Pakistan, from former Soviet republics, heck, maybe even from Shanghai Cooperative Organization members Russia or China.

Here's links to other sources:

MSNBC report from "Scarbourough Country" http://mediamatters.org/items/200604200003

Article referring to Aug. 22 and the hate taught vs. the West in Iranian schools http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768

How many nukes does Iran have? Iranian negotiator provides hint http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/7271.asp

Iran may already have nuclear bomb: Expert (Note, he believes they would never use it ) http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...1301970000.htm

Article on WND by Jerome Corsi, author of the book "Atomic Iran" http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=45567

ABC News: Iran building nukes in underground locations http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1334218



Have you read: "Countdown to Crisis" The Coming Nuclear showdown with Iran by Timmerman. Excellent book. i recommend it, but not for the faint at heart. According to the book Iran already HAS the goods. AND it got most of the materials from North Korea and Russia.

"If current news reporting out of Iran isn't disturbing enough, author Ken Timmerman's latest book is a stark warning that worse is to come, and soon. Boiled down to its essence, Mr. Timmerman's conclusion is that the Islamist regime may be no more than six months away from perfecting the technology for nuclear weapons and could already have enough nuclear material for 20 to 25 bombs. It also is probable that the rocket delivery systems for striking at Israel and American military installations in the region are also in plentiful supply. In Countdown to Crisis,this complicated, multi-front story is so compellingly documented that the author's cautionary words serve to heighten the sense that while we can't tell when the mullahs of Tehran will go adventuring with their bombs, we can no longer pretend that they don't intend to do something violent in the region and do it any time now." —Washington Times
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N. Korean Authorities Urge Civilians to Evacuate Near Site of Possible Nuke Test (Breaking)
Headline News Yahooo Japan (in Japanese) JIJI PRESS ^ | 19 August 2006 | JIJI Press, quoting Joongang Ilbo Daily


Posted on 08/18/2006 7:46:33 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo




Reports from Seoul Korea, (daily newspaper Joongang Ilbo in Seoul) via the Japanese Jiji press agency, that South Korean intelligence has intercepted radio messages/communications in North Korea, which were aired last month, to civilians in the Kilju County, Northern Hamgyeong Province area of northeastern D.P.R.K., to evacuate.

The source in the South Korean government said "our interpretation is that following North Korea's underground nuclear blast test, they wish to head off any escape of radiation that would be a threat to the nearby civilian population and are evacuating as such."

..........................................................................benny



And, from Global Security.org site:

"By late April 2005 there were reports that North Koreans were constructing a reviewing stand and filling in a tunnel, both signs that an underground nuclear test was imminent. Tunnels for underground nuclear tests are different from regular mines, since they have to be plugged up to contain the blast. Satellite imagery reportedly indicated the North Koreans were "stemming" the tunnel, taking material back into the shaft to plug it up. Satellite imagery indicated that North Korea was shipping concrete and grouting to the site, possibly to plug the tunnel. Although there were signs of continued activity near tunnels in the Kilju area, there was disagreement among intelligence agencies as to whether the recent activity indicated an impending nuclear test.

Other reports indicated that the satellite imagery showed the North Koreans had dug and refilled a significant hole at the suspected test site. The hole was said to have been dug in a manner consistent with preparations for an underground nuclear test, but there was no conclusive indication as to whether the North Koreans had deposited a weapon inside. These reports indicate that the shaft is a vertical shaft, rather than a horizontal tunnel. Imagery also detected frequent truck movement bringing cranes and other equipment. The presence of cranes is consistent with a vertical shaft, but not a horizontal tunnel.

Imagery was also reported to show recent construction of an elaborate reviewing stand for visiting dignitaries a few kilometers from the suspected test site. The reviewing stand was considered a significant indicator of a possible nuclear test. American intelligence had overlooked the reviewing stand built prior to the 1998 Taepodong-1 missile launch. The North Koreans had visitors from other countries invited to watch the launch.
1 posted on 08/18/2006 7:46:35 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo................................benny

Ships and Submarines
Deployable Battle Force Ships: 281

Ships Underway (away from homeport): 123 ships (44% of total)

On deployment: 93 ships (33% of total)

Attack submarines underway
(away from homeport): 24 submarines (44%)

On deployment: 11 submarines (20%)
Ships Underway

Carriers:
USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) - Indian Ocean
USS Enterprise (CVN 65) - port visit, Port Kelang, Malaysia
USS George Washington (CVN 73) - Atlantic Ocean
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) - Pacific Ocean

Command Ships:
USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19) - Pacific Ocean
USS Mount Whitney (LCC 20) - Mediterranean Sea

Hospital Ships
USNS Mercy (T-AH 19) - Celebes Sea

Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG):
USS Iwo Jima (LHD 7) - Mediterranean Sea
USS Nashville (LPD 13) - Mediterranean Sea
USS Whidbey Island (LSD 41) - Mediterranean Sea

Amphibious Warfare Ships:
USS Saipan (LHA 2) - Atlantic Ocean
USS Kearsarge (LHA 3) - Atlantic Ocean
USS Boxer (LHD 4) - Pacific Ocean
USS Bataan (LHD 5) - Atlantic Ocean
USS Dubuque (LPD 8) - Pacific Ocean
USS Trenton (LPD 14) - Mediterranean Sea
USS San Antonio (LPD 17) - Atlantic Ocean
USS Comstock (LSD 45) - Pacific Ocean
USS Tortuga (LSD 46) - South China Sea
USS Ashland (LSD 48) - Atlantic Ocean
USS Carter Hall (LSD 50) - Atlantic Ocean
USS Oak Hill (LSD 51) - Atlantic Ocean

Aircraft (operational): 4000+

............................................................................................benny

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....me-C1-topNews-2

Bush warns North Korea on possible nuclear test
Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:31pm ET


CAMP DAVID, Md (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Friday warned that North Korea would pose a threat to the world if it tested a nuclear bomb for the first time, following reports that the reclusive government was considering such a move.

Bush also pressed participants in six-party talks to persuade North Korea to give up its nuclear-weapons program, while a senior U.S. official played down the chances of an early nuclear test.

"If North Korea were to conduct a test, it's just a constant reminder for people in the neighborhood, in particular, that North Korea poses a threat," Bush said at the Camp David presidential retreat. "We expect our friends and those sitting around the table with us to act in such a manner as to help rid the world of the threat."


ABC News on Thursday reported that a U.S. intelligence agency had observed suspicious vehicle movement at a suspected North Korean test site. It quoted an unidentified senior State Department official saying a test was a "real possibility."

Bush refused to confirm or deny the report, saying he would not talk about intelligence information. State Department spokesman Tom Casey declined to comment.

South Korea's point man for the North said he was skeptical of the reports and U.S. officials have said they had no new evidence of such a plan.

"There was a lot less to that report than meets the eye," said one senior U.S. official.

Analysts said North Korea could be trying an extreme form of saber-rattling to force the international community, and Washington in particular, into making concessions to the poor and isolated state. Continued...

U.S. Officials Tell ABC News That Evidence Points to an Underground Test
North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has isolated his country and made no secret of his ambitions to make his nation a nuclear power. (Reuters)

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Aug. 17, 2006 — There is new evidence that North Korea may be preparing for an underground test of a nuclear bomb, U.S. officials told ABC News.

"It is the view of the intelligence community that a test is a real possibility," said a senior State Department official.

A senior military official told ABC News that a U.S. intelligence agency has recently observed "suspicious vehicle movement" at a suspected North Korean test site.

The activity includes the unloading of large reels of cable outside P'unggye-yok, an underground facility in northeast North Korea. Cables can be used in nuclear testing to connect an underground test site to outside observation equipment. The intelligence was brought to the attention of the White House last week.

Even before this most recent intelligence, there has been growing concern within the U.S. government that North Korea has been moving toward a nuclear test. North Korea is believed to have enough nuclear material to build as many as a dozen nuclear bombs, but it has never tested one. A successful test would remove any doubt that North Korea is a nuclear power.

"What does he have to lose?" asked one senior military official, referring to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.

On July 4, North Korea conducted seven ballistic missile tests, which provoked international condemnation, including a unanimous United States Security Council resolution condemning its actions. A nuclear test, however, would be seen as a much greater provocation than the missile tests. Only seven other nations in the world have ever conducted nuclear tests.

U.S. officials fear a nuclear test could provoke a nuclear arms race in East Asia, forcing Japan and South Korea to develop their own nuclear weapons.

"A nuclear test is going to be alarming and troubling for everyone and would cause a very strong reaction I think from all of North Korea's neighbors," said former National Security Council official Michael Green, now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

U.S. officials caution that the intelligence is not conclusive. Last year U.S. spy satellites picked up suspicious activity at suspected test sites in North Korea, leading some to predict an imminent nuclear test, but nothing happened.


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Talking about opinions..................here's one!

My personal take on it (and this is not based on anything but my own thinking):
They have been feverishly building bombs, trying to get enough built to take out all the targets they want to. Talk, talk, delay, delay, all the while running the process 24/7.

Not just to be mounted on missiles. Put them in regular commercial aircraft and fly them in. Put them on a container ship, or tanker, or any kind of watercraft, and send it into Tel Aviv harbor, Haifa harbor.

Say the IAF goes to shoot down an intruder aircraft over their airspace, the terrorists have set the thing so they can explode it at will. Come in low and fast, and detonate when the IAF challenges them. A mess, even if out in the hills.

A detonation in a harbor would destroy it, render it useless for a long time, besides killing people on ships and shore side.

Load one up on a truck, cover it with vegetables, drive it to the border of Lebanon/Israel and detonate. Another mess, radioactivity, area useless for years.

Same thing could happen here.


About North Korea. Kim has the people completely under the control of the Party. They are a closed society, and have no idea of how the outside world is. They see and hear only what the NK government lets them. Through propaganda broadcasts and government news they believe they have it good compared to the rest of the world.

They have been raised for generations to revere "Dear Leader", and know nothing else. Every home is required to have a picture of him on the most prominent wall. Every person is required to wear a lapel pin with his picture on it. A "personality cult" if you will. This is all they know, and all they have known, all their lives, and their parents, and grandparents lives.

With all the control and brainwashing, it is a miracle that some can still conceive of freedom and want to change things, but there are a few that do.

North Korea, Venezuela, Pakistan, China, and Russia are all in this picture.

Chavez has been visiting all of them lately, wanting to get in on the action.

Quadaffi (who quieted down after he saw what happened to Saddam) has even called Iran and asked them to cool it. No dice.

Going to be interesting times the next few weeks. I don't know if we can take much more "interesting times", though! It causes you to spend a lot of time on the computer, posting opinions.

North Korea protests military exercises By BURT HERMAN, Associated Press Writer
Tue Aug 22, 5:37 AM ET



SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea lashed out Tuesday at ongoing U.S.-South Korean military drills and warned that it could take retaliatory action amid renewed concern that the communist nation may be preparing to test a nuclear bomb.



The North's latest rhetorical salvo came after President Bush spoke Monday with Chinese President Hu Jintao about how to persuade the North to return to deadlocked international talks on its nuclear weapons program.

The U.S. and South Korea launched the annual joint military exercises on Monday, which the North had previously said would be considered a declaration of war. Some 29,500 U.S. troops remain in South Korea as a legacy of the 1950-53 Korean War that ended in a cease-fire that has never been replaced by a peace treaty.

The North's military said Tuesday it "would not be bound to the (armistice agreement) in taking on its own initiative military measures for protecting the security and sovereignty of the country in the future. It called the exercises a "war action declaring the (armistice) null and void."

The North Korean military "reserves the right to undertake a pre-emptive action for self-defense against the enemy at a crucial time it deems necessary to defend itself," the North's army outpost at the truce village of Panmunjom said in the statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

The U.S. military has said the exercises — mostly simulation-driven drills that run through Sept. 1 and include some 17,000 troops — are defensive in nature and not a provocation.

The North's threats weren't new but followed a report last week which cited U.S. officials as saying the country was making suspicious moves at a possible underground nuclear test site. South Korea's Defense Ministry said Sunday it was dispatching personnel to a scientific institute to monitor seismic tremors that could indicate movement caused by a nuclear explosion.

In its statement Tuesday, the North also described the U.N. Security Council resolution adopted last month after it test-fired seven missiles as tantamount to a declaration of war that the U.S. pushed through "by wire-pulling its followers."

However, key North Korean allies China and Russia also signed off on the resolution, which bans U.N. member countries from missile-related dealings with the North, but hasn't resulted in any further actions or relaxation of tension in the region.

The North has set the region on edge with its nuclear ambitions and stoked tensions further by test-firing the missiles l