Hello Saints,

I was watching Hannity and Combs and they were talking about the UN trying to take away gun rights away from people but govenment officials would be able to carry guns.

Has anyone heard about this??? Is this really going on???? I guess they are supposed to be having some kind of summit over the 4th of July weekend about this. I'm not sure if this is just hype of the real deal but its worth looking into.

Looks that way!
http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2006/06/quotes...ence-on_22.html

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1403489.html
UN Push for Global Gun Control Viewed As Insult to USA
Susan Jones
Senior Editor

(CNSNews.com) - A push for global gun control gets under way next week in New York City, when the United Nations opens a conference intended to curb the international arms trade.

Amnesty International, Oxfam International and the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA) are pushing for a treaty to "protect civilians from armed violence."

Those three groups -- which have formed a coalition called the Control Arms Campaign -- say their goal is to reduce arms proliferation and misuse -- "and to convince governments to introduce global principles to regulate the transfers of weapons." They are urging the United Nations to impose a "binding arms trade treaty."



According to Amnesty International, nearly 2 billion people live in deep poverty, a problem made worse by the "uncontrolled proliferation of guns and other weapons that also fuels human rights abuses and escalates conflicts." Amnesty International claims that weapons kill more 1,000 men, women, and children every day.

"It doesn't have to be like this," Amnesty International says on its website. The Control Arms Campaign believes a global Arms Trade Treaty is the solution.

But in the United States, defenders of the Second Amendment are insulted by what they see as a carefully timed assault on the U.S. Constitution.

They note that the U.N. Conference on Global Gun Control will run from July 26-July 7 -- a time span that includes the Fourth of July, Independence Day.

The U.N. conference poses a direct threat to America's constitutionally protected individual right to keep and bear arms, said Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF).

Gottlieb, who plans to attend the U.N. conference, is urging the U.S. government to reconsider its financial support for the United Nations, given its effort to undermine the Second Amendment.

"Had it not been for our tradition of private firearms ownership, our citizens might still be subjects of the queen," Gottlieb said in a press release.

"Had it not been for America, all of Europe might be speaking German. Were America not the 'great arsenal of democracy' that President Franklin D. Roosevelt described in 1940, the world would be a far different place, and the sanctimonious bureaucrats at the U.N. might instead be working in labor camps."

Gottlieb finds it troubling that as the United States celebrates its 230th birthday, global anti-gunners "want to create a binding international agreement that could supersede our laws and Constitution.

"We have done much for the U.N., and in return, the organization has hosted despots, tyrants and dictators whose record of human rights abuses, aggression and genocide speaks for itself. And now comes an attack on our Constitution, on our national holiday.

"America has always answered the call to help our international friends and neighbors," Gottlieb observed, "but when our very way of life is attacked, maybe it is time to find more worthy endeavors for our material and financial support."

At the United Nations' first small arms conference in 2001, the United States rejected the idea of global gun control.

John Bolton - the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations - in 2001 was serving as U.S. Undersecretary of State for Arms Control. He told the U.N. conference in 2001, "The United States believes that the responsible use of firearms is a legitimate aspect of national life."

According to the United Nations, the upcoming small arms conference is intended to assess progress made since 2001 and actions needed to further stem illegal small arms trade. "Crush the illicit trade in small arms," the U.N. website says.

In a "Frequently Asked Questions" section, the U.N. says although the 2001 small arms conference did not define "small arms," the United Nations General Assembly issued a document in 2005 defining "small arms and light weapons" as "any man-portable lethal weapon that expels or launches...a shot, bullet or projectile by the action of an explosive.

Broadly speaking, the website says, "small arms" are weapons designed for individual use. They include revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles and carbines, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine guns.

"Light weapons," according to the website, include heavy machine guns, hand-held under-barrel and mounted grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft guns, portable anti-tank guns, recoilless rifles, portable launchers of anti-tank missile and rocket systems, portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems, and mortars of a caliber of less than 100 millimeters.

I have never owned a gun of anykind.
There once, for a brief 3 years a medium size pistol was respsonsibly stored in the closet of my bedroom.
I had a 9 yr old son, a 5 yr old daughter and 1 yr old son, in the home.

Yes I was nervous at first, felt more relief, with implimenting the rule, that absolutely under no circumstances, will the three children ever be in mommy and daddy' room, without a parentf or permission.

Then I was at ease as I saw my children truly obeying just not going into the room.

NOW,,,,,,,,,,,if they change our constitution.......and take guns away from the commom man, a resident of the USA,

and NOW I don't have a gun in my house anylonger, I AM EVEN MORE NERVOUS, that my neighboor next door, does have one and the thought of it being taken away makes me worry.

NOW why is the U N...the UN discussing AN AMREICAN issue that will be voted on by AMERICANS.........THIS makes me want to go buy one. What is the "BIG PICTURE" really all about?

I think I just might go look at some pawn shops tomorrow.

Good read, more facts.


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Kids, guns and Dr. Phil

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Posted: November 28, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2002 Laurence A. Elder


Move over Mr. Anti-Second Amendment Michael Moore, and make way for Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil recently aired a program in which he staged an experiment to demonstrate the danger of guns in the home. Amid a group of playing little girls and boys, a teacher placed two fake guns inside a dollhouse. The teacher warned the kids not to play with the guns, and then left the room. The mindful girls left the guns alone even after the teacher left the room.

The experimenters took the girls out of the room. The boys promptly began playing with the guns. Dr. Phil came in, warned the boys again, and after eliciting a promise not to play with the guns, which he put on a table, he left the room. Again, the boys promptly began playing with the guns. Moral to the story? Guns in the home and children – especially boys – simply don't mix. Never mind that responsible parents rarely leave guns, let alone loaded ones, inside a girl's dollhouse or on a table near the children.

Dr. Phil said, "America kills more kids with guns than any other industrialized nation," later adding, "There are five children a day killed with guns through either accidents or suicides. Five children a day in America are killed with guns." The five children per day figure adds up to over 1,800 per year.

Hold tape.

Dr. Phil never defined what he meant by "children." Independence Institute researcher Dave Kopel notes that many of the reported gun deaths involving "children" include those aged 14 through 19, many of them gangbangers. If, by children, Dr. Phil meant 10 and under, approximately 50 children – or less than one child per state per year under 10 – die from handgun violence.

Dr. Phil specifically said gun "accidents and suicides." Yet the Center for Disease Control, which tracks all causes of death, reports only 86 accidental deaths in kids aged 14-years-and-under in the year 2000, and 110 suicides, for a total of 198. Not exactly 1,800. (Even if Dr. Phil intended to include homicide and undetermined intent, the total of kids aged 14-and-under killed by firearms in 2000, according to the CDC, was 435.)

By contrast, the CDC reported 943 accidental drownings of kids aged 14-and-under, 593 deaths from accidental exposures to smoke and fire, and 2,591 killed in motor vehicle accidents. Surely one child dying through handgun violence – or any kind of violence – is one child too many, but we should not lose perspective.

Dr. Phil went further. In front of the largely female – and often instinctively anti-gun group – audience, Dr. Phil added this headline, "More children die from gunfire than cancer, pneumonia, flu, asthma and HIV-AIDS combined. Do you know what your child would do if he found a gun and you weren't there?"

Hold tape.

According to the CDC, the annual deaths from cancer in 2000, for children aged 14-years-and-under, was 1,939. Add in the number of 14-and-under who die every year from pneumonia and flu, at 479, plus 169 kids killed by asthma, plus 70 from HIV, and we have a grand total of 2,657, a number higher than Dr. Phil's figure of 1,800 children allegedly killed each year through handgun accidents and suicide.

As usual with programs stacked against guns, Dr. Phil failed to even address the number of children saved by handguns per year. In other words, how many kids remain with us because Mommy or Daddy – or in some cases a child – used a gun to defend the household. According to the Department of Justice, Americans use guns for defensive purposes 1.5 million times a year. And, according to the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention – a division of the Justice Department – the government found that children taught appropriate use of guns by their parents turn out to be far less likely to use those guns for criminal purposes than those without such instruction.

Recently, in South Bend, Ind., a thug broke into a home occupied by an 80-year-old grandmother and her 10-year-old grandchild. The intruder held a jagged box cutter to the grandmother's neck, at which time the 10-year-old bolted upstairs where he retrieved his father's gun, the responsible use of which his dad taught him. The 10-year-old returned, pointed the gun at the intruder, and shot and killed him. "The young man reasonably believed his grandmother and himself to be in danger of dying," the South Bend police said. "It was clear to us this was a justifiable homicide. He did what he had to do."

Some suggestions: Don't go to your gun store for psychological counseling; and don't go to a mental health therapist for advice on guns.





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Good read, more facts.


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Kids, guns and Dr. Phil

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Posted: November 28, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2002 Laurence A. Elder


Move over Mr. Anti-Second Amendment Michael Moore, and make way for Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil recently aired a program in which he staged an experiment to demonstrate the danger of guns in the home. Amid a group of playing little girls and boys, a teacher placed two fake guns inside a dollhouse. The teacher warned the kids not to play with the guns, and then left the room. The mindful girls left the guns alone even after the teacher left the room.

The experimenters took the girls out of the room. The boys promptly began playing with the guns. Dr. Phil came in, warned the boys again, and after eliciting a promise not to play with the guns, which he put on a table, he left the room. Again, the boys promptly began playing with the guns. Moral to the story? Guns in the home and children – especially boys – simply don't mix. Never mind that responsible parents rarely leave guns, let alone loaded ones, inside a girl's dollhouse or on a table near the children.

Dr. Phil said, "America kills more kids with guns than any other industrialized nation," later adding, "There are five children a day killed with guns through either accidents or suicides. Five children a day in America are killed with guns." The five children per day figure adds up to over 1,800 per year.

Hold tape.

Dr. Phil never defined what he meant by "children." Independence Institute researcher Dave Kopel notes that many of the reported gun deaths involving "children" include those aged 14 through 19, many of them gangbangers. If, by children, Dr. Phil meant 10 and under, approximately 50 children – or less than one child per state per year under 10 – die from handgun violence.

Dr. Phil specifically said gun "accidents and suicides." Yet the Center for Disease Control, which tracks all causes of death, reports only 86 accidental deaths in kids aged 14-years-and-under in the year 2000, and 110 suicides, for a total of 198. Not exactly 1,800. (Even if Dr. Phil intended to include homicide and undetermined intent, the total of kids aged 14-and-under killed by firearms in 2000, according to the CDC, was 435.)

By contrast, the CDC reported 943 accidental drownings of kids aged 14-and-under, 593 deaths from accidental exposures to smoke and fire, and 2,591 killed in motor vehicle accidents. Surely one child dying through handgun violence – or any kind of violence – is one child too many, but we should not lose perspective.

Dr. Phil went further. In front of the largely female – and often instinctively anti-gun group – audience, Dr. Phil added this headline, "More children die from gunfire than cancer, pneumonia, flu, asthma and HIV-AIDS combined. Do you know what your child would do if he found a gun and you weren't there?"

Hold tape.

According to the CDC, the annual deaths from cancer in 2000, for children aged 14-years-and-under, was 1,939. Add in the number of 14-and-under who die every year from pneumonia and flu, at 479, plus 169 kids killed by asthma, plus 70 from HIV, and we have a grand total of 2,657, a number higher than Dr. Phil's figure of 1,800 children allegedly killed each year through handgun accidents and suicide.

As usual with programs stacked against guns, Dr. Phil failed to even address the number of children saved by handguns per year. In other words, how many kids remain with us because Mommy or Daddy – or in some cases a child – used a gun to defend the household. According to the Department of Justice, Americans use guns for defensive purposes 1.5 million times a year. And, according to the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention – a division of the Justice Department – the government found that children taught appropriate use of guns by their parents turn out to be far less likely to use those guns for criminal purposes than those without such instruction.

Recently, in South Bend, Ind., a thug broke into a home occupied by an 80-year-old grandmother and her 10-year-old grandchild. The intruder held a jagged box cutter to the grandmother's neck, at which time the 10-year-old bolted upstairs where he retrieved his father's gun, the responsible use of which his dad taught him. The 10-year-old returned, pointed the gun at the intruder, and shot and killed him. "The young man reasonably believed his grandmother and himself to be in danger of dying," the South Bend police said. "It was clear to us this was a justifiable homicide. He did what he had to do."

Some suggestions: Don't go to your gun store for psychological counseling; and don't go to a mental health therapist for advice on guns.





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Switzerland stayed neutral durring WW2 because every citizen has an assault rifle. Not even the blitzkrieg could get 15 miles into Switzerland.

I say train everyone between the ages of 15 and 50 and give everyone guns, and we solve the problem posed by a ground offensive.

Also, an anti-missile system that works would rule as far as ICBM attacks goes.

Oh, and let people carry guns to. Not only would terroists get to Hu when screaming allah hu akbar before someone emptied thier head out onto the wall thusly stopping wehatever attack they had planned, but there'd be a marked decrease in violent crimes. Ya don't rob an armed man. Or woman. Or gramma.

Kofi Anann has astatement on first page. (HOMEPAGE UN)
Found at bottom center it's like a scroll click on that scroll.

Kofi say this summit is debates over the illegal use of guns.

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By unanimously adopting the UN Programme of Action to address the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons (UNPoA), in 2001, the UN Member States committed to collecting and destroying illegal weapons, adopting and/or improving national legislations that would help criminalize the illicit trade in small arms, regulating the activities of brokers, setting strict import and export controls, taking action against violators of such laws, and better coordinating international efforts to that end.

Five years after the adoption of the UNPoA, representatives from governments, international and regional organizations, and civil society will meet at UN Headquarters from 26 June to 7 July 2006 to review the efforts and progress made at all levels; to address future international cooperation and assistance issues; and to assess challenges on the road ahead.







UN Messenger of Peace Michael Douglas featured in Public Service Announcement



Actions needed to further stem illegal small arms trade


Website development: UN Web Services Section, Department of Public Information, United Nations

Yep I would say its true from what I have read. Think about all the gun control laws that are in effect.

You silly people, the UN is only trying to reduce illegal gun ownership. They said numerous times that they don't want to attempt to control LEGAL gun ownership.

Unless you're all columbian cartel then don't worry your little heads.

Never ever ever listen to fox news.

I'm with everwatchful...violent crimes drop 87% when gun laws are lax and citizens are allowed to carry concealed guns....areas with very strict gun laws experience at least a 68% increase in violent crime...give out guns to every man, woman, child, cat, dog, and hamster and people will treat each other better

I just love the look on this dogs face.....hahahaha

While I own several weapons and enjoy re loading and shooting, I am forced to ask. What is the Biblical basis for standing against public disarmament?

The "Religous left" claims that in disarming the public, they are carrying out Christ's command to turn the other cheek. While I myself do not agree with this, I connot join the paranoia being posted here.

God's people come in all kinds. The pacifist who willingly goes to his execution rather than surrender his will has his or her place. In fact, even though in this new world order I myself would become an armed insurgent, I am not so sure that this is the main way to stand.

As much as i detest Sarah Brady, The slob shooters who scream for their gun rights in the same manner that homosexuals scream for their right to sodomize each other does not make for a good point. In fact, their violation of every firearms safety rule, dressing in military cammies when they themselves never served or only served in the non combatant areas of the military only serves to add fuel to the other side.

So what is the answer? I myself am trying to start an alternate movement. Instead of screaming for gun rights, I would like to offer "Firearms discipline" as an alterantive to Liberal gun control. More of this idea later.

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I just love the look on this dogs face.....hahahaha

The display of such a reckless misuse of a firearm such as this only serves to ad fuel to the anti gunners fire.

If you have been following current military technology, the Infantryman read, rifleman is no longer the primary ground weapon. Long before the infantry sets foot upon the objective, air bombartmant, Artillery, and armor will pulverise the enemy. The Infantry has been reduced to a garbageman who only mops up what is left. Even in Iraq, most of the ground action is with crew served weapons. The enemy's primary weapon is the IED.

Speaking of how horrible the gun is, hacking people with swords is any better?
Especially in Asian culture, the sword has taken on a romantic nature while the firearm is vilified. One episode of "Kung FU, The legend continues" The hero tries to arrest a suspect, the suspect pulls a pair of swords. the hero pulls a gun. The suspect responds "You are a man of the gun! You have no homnor!" The hero then throws down his gun and the suspect attacks him with his swords. So, bringing a gun to a sword fight is dishonorable but attacking an unarmed man with a sword is not?

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[quote=Humble Bob,Jun 30 2006, 04:53 PM]
I just love the look on this dogs face.....hahahaha

The display of such a reckless misuse of a firearm such as this only serves to ad fuel to the anti gunners fire.
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Hi Bernie, welcome to the forum. Sorry to offend your refined senses on the topic of firearms, but I think it's still a funny picture, and I don't mean to be politically correct about it either.

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Hi Bernie, welcome to the forum. Sorry to offend your refined senses on the topic of firearms, but I think it's still a funny picture, and I don't mean to be politically correct about it either.
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The misuse of a firearm is not funny

Don't you think that's a little bit of an over generalization? The VAST majority of gun owners are not "bubba" types. Plus everyone talks about how we should ban guns "for the children" but backyard swimming pools are FAR more deadly yet there is no talk of banning them. Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning forks to control obesity. The person is responsible, NOT the lifeless object.

The reason why we have the right to bear arms is so we can defend ourselves againist any gov't that becomes a threat to freedom and so citizens can defend themselves. Dictators / mass murderers advocated gun control because it took away the ability of the people to defend themselves againist tyranny. If the UN takes away all guns belonging to citizens, then the only people with guns would be the corrupt and power hungry ruling elite. All freedoms will be gone because the citizens can't defend those freedoms any more and nothing will be able to stand in the way of tyranny. This is reason!

“Our main agenda is to have all guns banned of course. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.” --Sarah Brady, 1994


To create a dictatorship all means of resistance from the common man must be removed....Satan must be able to remove all resistance to the anti-christ empire...

As far as I'm comcerned, King George of England was rightfully rebelled againist by the colonies by means of the gun and thus establishing these United States of America and the ability to defend that freedom. Now the U.S is once again under another "King George" and we have right to fight for our freedom once he declares Marshall law and orders citizens and children sent to concertration camps if the don't accept worship of the Beast!

It's not the guns that are the problem, its the people!

right on, Ducktape hero.
Be responsible with guns. Learn to use them right. Pray and keep the powder dry. Or now a days, keep plenty of ammo.
ya, didn't expect a lady who loves flowers to say that, did ya?

I have 3 shotguns, two rifles, one pistol and two BB guns. I have taught both of my sons how to use them properly, and to treat them with the utmost of respect. They are in a gun cabinet and my children have never touched them outside of a planned outing to shoot blue rocks, target shoot or go hunting. One of the rifles is my father's who has passed away and the second is my first rifle, given to me by my father. I plan on giving the two rifles to my sons. I will not be giving them up anytime soon.
The UN can pass any "law" they want, I will care less.

The UN, what a worthless organization. Can anyone think of one reason we support it?

God Bless,
Kansas Dad

Even Jesus understood the need to protect ourselves.

Luke 22.36 "He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

When Peter took the sword to the high priest's servant, Jesus stopped him and said, he that lives by the sword shall die by the sword.
In the times that are coming, those Christians who will come against the antichrist governments by force will die.It will have as a result also that all of Christianity will be looked upon as the "rebels" and will lead to the persecution of the Christians.
Our militant brother and sisters will bring this upon all of us.

My own country has been disarmed already. (Mostly only illegal weapons on the streets now) very difficult to get a new firearm licence here. This is something that we will see more and more of as the governments over the world starts disarming the people. Next, governments will disarm governments until nobody can fight the beast. (Who will be able to stand against the beast)

Gregg, to say the US gov't will has been a threat to freedom and never will is completely inaccurrate...... I suppose you didn't read how during WWII, Japanese American citizens were rounded up, and starved to death in concertration camps here in the USA by the American Gov't. I suppose you forgot, that men, women, and children of African heritage were brought here to America as slaves and Americans taking up arms againist each other to fight againist slavery and for the freedom of human beings many considered property. You have not read the Patriot Act, that takes away all the restrictions founding fathers of this country determined to put in place to protect people from unlawful search and sizeure...unlawful search and sizure was the the spark that set off the American War for Independance...any gov't can turn on it's citizens otherwise the Declaration of Independance wouldn't contain this:
"whenever any form of gov't becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter and ambolish it"

" Jesus Christ will not return to a world full of guns and tanks and helicopters and junk cars and burned out buildings because He was crucified in this world and it will not change. "


Where in the Bible does it say Jesus will return to Earth only when there is no weapons?

I thought Jesus who said Mathew 24:7
7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places.


I take that to mean nation againist nation means that there will be war

Actually, Jesus WILL return to a heavily armed world in total rebellion against him. And he will strike down the nations of the Earth and rule with a rod of iron.
At this time, with Christ upon the Throne, there will be world disarmament and whatever weapons I refuse to surrender to a human elitist I will lay at his feet. Until then, I will keep my weapn clena and powder dry.

By the way, when Peter utterd the words "Here are two Swords Lord!" He was resonding to Christs command "If you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one"

I'm not buying your last little statement, and I know that this Forum is not buying it either.......................................benny

Luke 22:36 But now I say unto you, if you have apurse, take one, and a bag also. If you have no sword, sell your robe and buy one.

Luke Chapter 22

36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.