All,
I post this for advice and discussion of just what should be done scripturally if a group of lawless individuals, other than officers of the law/state, come to your door with intention of doing harm to the individuals within. If they are government officers, Biblical submission is appropriate, but what if they're not?
The following passage of scripture comes into mind:
Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
There are also scriptures about one's enemies and how to love them, but how do we balance that with the need to protect one's family?
Is there a difference between individuals coming to your door in search of food?
How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
Given the turmoil likely to fall on this nation in relatively short order, what should be our scriptural, God-honoring reaction to the above scenarios?
I, for one, would appreciate any guidance that my brothers and sisters have to offer, especially if you have scripture references.
In Christ,
Mike
Full Version: To Defend Or Not To Defend?
QUOTE(bonomike @ Jun 6 2006, 06:38 AM)
All,
I post this for advice and discussion of just what should be done scripturally if a group of lawless individuals, other than officers of the law/state, come to your door with intention of doing harm to the individuals within. If they are government officers, Biblical submission is appropriate, but what if they're not?
The following passage of scripture comes into mind:
Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
There are also scriptures about one's enemies and how to love them, but how do we balance that with the need to protect one's family?
Is there a difference between individuals coming to your door in search of food?
How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
Given the turmoil likely to fall on this nation in relatively short order, what should be our scriptural, God-honoring reaction to the above scenarios?
I, for one, would appreciate any guidance that my brothers and sisters have to offer, especially if you have scripture references.
In Christ,
Mike
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I post this for advice and discussion of just what should be done scripturally if a group of lawless individuals, other than officers of the law/state, come to your door with intention of doing harm to the individuals within. If they are government officers, Biblical submission is appropriate, but what if they're not?
The following passage of scripture comes into mind:
Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
There are also scriptures about one's enemies and how to love them, but how do we balance that with the need to protect one's family?
Is there a difference between individuals coming to your door in search of food?
How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
Given the turmoil likely to fall on this nation in relatively short order, what should be our scriptural, God-honoring reaction to the above scenarios?
I, for one, would appreciate any guidance that my brothers and sisters have to offer, especially if you have scripture references.
In Christ,
Mike
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Interesting post, mike. My first instinct would be to protect my family. (even though I am not married as of yet, nor have children), I couldn't imagine just standing there praying while someone came into my house and tried to rape one of my children.
There are certain situations that our instincts to protect as human beings would supercede even perhaps rational thought, for example, lashing out. The Holy Spirit restraint would be the ONLY thing preventing me from wiping the floor with someone that tried to hurt my family or even my precious cat.
I would be curious to see other responses to this question as well.
QUOTE(bonomike @ Jun 6 2006, 05:38 AM)
All,
I post this for advice and discussion of just what should be done scripturally if a group of lawless individuals, other than officers of the law/state, come to your door with intention of doing harm to the individuals within. If they are government officers, Biblical submission is appropriate, but what if they're not?
The following passage of scripture comes into mind:
Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
There are also scriptures about one's enemies and how to love them, but how do we balance that with the need to protect one's family?
Is there a difference between individuals coming to your door in search of food?
How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
Given the turmoil likely to fall on this nation in relatively short order, what should be our scriptural, God-honoring reaction to the above scenarios?
I, for one, would appreciate any guidance that my brothers and sisters have to offer, especially if you have scripture references.
In Christ,
Mike
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I post this for advice and discussion of just what should be done scripturally if a group of lawless individuals, other than officers of the law/state, come to your door with intention of doing harm to the individuals within. If they are government officers, Biblical submission is appropriate, but what if they're not?
The following passage of scripture comes into mind:
Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
There are also scriptures about one's enemies and how to love them, but how do we balance that with the need to protect one's family?
Is there a difference between individuals coming to your door in search of food?
How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
Given the turmoil likely to fall on this nation in relatively short order, what should be our scriptural, God-honoring reaction to the above scenarios?
I, for one, would appreciate any guidance that my brothers and sisters have to offer, especially if you have scripture references.
In Christ,
Mike
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If they came to my door to harm me, my family or belongings then i would shoot them if I had the opportunity.
I know my husband wouldn't hesitate in protecting us, if someone tried to harm any of us here in the house.
I would want to protect my children too.
My son who is much bigger than me, would protect his mother and sister and
whoever is in the house. This would just be a natural instinct, I am sure!
You want to protect those you love if someone comes into your house and wants
to do harm.
We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
What are your thoughts?
At least that is the law in my province.
I would want to protect my children too.
My son who is much bigger than me, would protect his mother and sister and
whoever is in the house. This would just be a natural instinct, I am sure!
You want to protect those you love if someone comes into your house and wants
to do harm.
We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
What are your thoughts?
At least that is the law in my province.
I'm sure the good Lord would not have them carry a sword for decoration. I would end the threat by whatever means necessary. I would feel 10 times more guilty for not protecting my family than I would in eliminating a threat to my family.
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I would feel 10 times more guilty for not protecting my family than I would in eliminating a threat to my family.
Yep, the person who intends to harm my family had better hope that God has mercy on them because I won't.
Yep no question about it.....
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I know my husband wouldn't hesitate in protecting us, if someone tried to harm any of us here in the house.
I would want to protect my children too.
My son who is much bigger than me, would protect his mother and sister and
whoever is in the house. This would just be a natural instinct, I am sure!
You want to protect those you love if someone comes into your house and wants
to do harm.
We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
What are your thoughts?
At least that is the law in my province.
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I would want to protect my children too.
My son who is much bigger than me, would protect his mother and sister and
whoever is in the house. This would just be a natural instinct, I am sure!
You want to protect those you love if someone comes into your house and wants
to do harm.
We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
What are your thoughts?
At least that is the law in my province.
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I heard in Texas the law is the opposite. If someone comes after your things and gets away you can chase them down and shoot them when you try to recover them!
...Yep, looks like Pam's picture confirms it
LOL! No HB you can't chase them down, but you can shoot them in your home in self defense...We are allowed to carry a gun with a permit....But you can't shoot to kill, you shoot to wound in the leg to slow them down....
That picture is from May 13 of this year....My youngest son, Steven is the first person in the picture holding his shotgun.....
They love to shoot skeet out in the country....They are at my sister's house...
That picture is from May 13 of this year....My youngest son, Steven is the first person in the picture holding his shotgun.....
They love to shoot skeet out in the country....They are at my sister's house...
It looks like everyone's on to the same line of thinking. The head of the household has a responsibility to that household as protector. Usually, this is a man, but not always. Besides, men were given certain traits by God to enable them in this area.
My wife can't stand the idea of guns in the house for, I suppose, our young children's sake (who could be taught to not ever play with them, of course), but I have a nasty softball bat in the bedroom probably akin to David's five stones and a sling.
Although some have suggested that the "sword" suggestion in scripture be upgraded to today's standards, i.e. a gun of some type, I bet God can empower a person as he did David to do what is necessary with whatever weapon, even bare hands. But, I have actually given thought to purchasing a nice sword. This, combined with the element of surprise, could have quite a puree-fying effect, if you get my drift.
All of this stands in contrast to when a Christian gets reviled by the world for being a Christian. I would think that kind of prejudice and treatment would be different than a gang who's just out to pillage. God can give us the wisdom, I'm sure, to know the difference between being a witness and being a coward.
Being a Christian, however, I'll definitely put the name of Almighty God, Jesus Christ, on the table so that they'll know who they're dealing with before planting one between the eyes of Goliath by the power of God.
In Christ,
Mike
My wife can't stand the idea of guns in the house for, I suppose, our young children's sake (who could be taught to not ever play with them, of course), but I have a nasty softball bat in the bedroom probably akin to David's five stones and a sling.
Although some have suggested that the "sword" suggestion in scripture be upgraded to today's standards, i.e. a gun of some type, I bet God can empower a person as he did David to do what is necessary with whatever weapon, even bare hands. But, I have actually given thought to purchasing a nice sword. This, combined with the element of surprise, could have quite a puree-fying effect, if you get my drift.
All of this stands in contrast to when a Christian gets reviled by the world for being a Christian. I would think that kind of prejudice and treatment would be different than a gang who's just out to pillage. God can give us the wisdom, I'm sure, to know the difference between being a witness and being a coward.
Being a Christian, however, I'll definitely put the name of Almighty God, Jesus Christ, on the table so that they'll know who they're dealing with before planting one between the eyes of Goliath by the power of God.
In Christ,
Mike
I don't think anyone would want to be in such a dangerous position. That said, it is sometimes proper to ask for forgiveness later than permission first.
God created us to live, not to die. Death comes soon enough without it being taken away by an evil individual.
God created us to live, not to die. Death comes soon enough without it being taken away by an evil individual.
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How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
Just let them have it.
I guess easier said then done...
Matt 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Matt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
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What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
Do what you whatever you want to do with them. Fight back and dont hold back!!!
Ecclesiastes 3
1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
But remember, the the Bible also says
Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
In situations like these, pray for guidence.
I'm only a son in the household, but being 20 and larger than my brother, mother and father I feel the need to protect all three of them. I have several of my fathers weapons in my room and would not hesitate to shoot someone to injure them, but I could not intentionally kill someone. I would give my life to protect my family in such a case as I'm sure many others of us here would. The power of love is amazing! I just hope and pray to God that I would never have to physically injure my fellow man.
Don't shoot to injure, shoot till the threat has ceased. If that results in the BG's (bad guy's) death...so be it. You also need to shoot center of mass, or the torso. When your adrenaline is going full tilt, fine motor skills are out the window...so a leg shot to injure isn't the best line of defense. You want to shoot at the largest surface area possible which is the torso. I know this sounds cruel and un-Christian, but it's your families (and yours) safety on the line.
Oh, I am of the same mind..I know what I WOULD do. Good thing we have Jesus.
But what of what we SHOULD do? What of the letters in red...all the turn the other cheek stuff?
Call if the lawyer in me...
leia
But what of what we SHOULD do? What of the letters in red...all the turn the other cheek stuff?
Call if the lawyer in me...
leia
I firmly believe that the "turn the cheek" deal found in Matthew 5:39 has to do with personal insult (ie: Yo momma so fat...) not rape, and murder of one's family.
QUOTE(ChildofGod @ Jun 7 2006, 08:51 AM)
I firmly believe that the "turn the cheek" deal found in Matthew 5:39 has to do with personal insult (ie: Yo momma so fat...) not rape, and murder of one's family.
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My momma was large....rest her soul and I miss her.
I am feeling you! You should see my new house....it is a fortress. I think things are going to get bad in a few years, but that is my first. Not paranoid...it is a real cute fortress.
Do good to others...that has to be the first thing a parent thinks about. Being good to you children when it means grounding, spanking, taking away a nice thing or letting them go. Even turning them in. I have know parents to have to defend against them with deadly force. Trying times, that. But, yes...the lesson of what "doing good" means" and what it costs to "keep the peace" are very large lessons and come right after self awareness and personal introspection.
It is the first thing we have to think about when we expand our world to others.
leia
Gee's...guys......they wouldn't let me on......I had to log in.....this is the first time I have ever had to do that....what's up? Is this new? or what?
To defend or not to defend......
I have a 357 Magnum.....and I know how to use it......took it to the police range and had an officer help me sited in.....
Boy! That makes a big difference.
I had several officers tell me that I could back them up anytime!
The police officers said, "Don't shoot to hurt....kill them or they will sue you, or come back latter for you. " I said, "Okie-Dokie.....I have no problem with that....if they make it past our dogs they will be easy marks.....they won't be moving fast."
Got to go....God bless.
marie<><
To defend or not to defend......
I have a 357 Magnum.....and I know how to use it......took it to the police range and had an officer help me sited in.....
Boy! That makes a big difference. I had several officers tell me that I could back them up anytime!
The police officers said, "Don't shoot to hurt....kill them or they will sue you, or come back latter for you. " I said, "Okie-Dokie.....I have no problem with that....if they make it past our dogs they will be easy marks.....they won't be moving fast."
Got to go....God bless.
marie<><QUOTE(God's Lamb @ Jun 9 2006, 10:26 PM)
Gee's...guys......they wouldn't let me on......I had to log in.....this is the first time I have ever had to do that....what's up? Is this new? or what?
To defend or not to defend......
I have a 357 Magnum.....and I know how to use it......took it to the police range and had an officer help me sited in..... Boy! That makes a big difference.
I had several officers tell me that I could back them up anytime!
The police officers said, "Don't shoot to hurt....kill them or they will sue you, or come back latter for you. " I said, "Okie-Dokie.....I have no problem with that....if they make it past our dogs they will be easy marks.....they won't be moving fast."
Got to go....God bless. marie<><
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To defend or not to defend......
I have a 357 Magnum.....and I know how to use it......took it to the police range and had an officer help me sited in.....
Boy! That makes a big difference. I had several officers tell me that I could back them up anytime!
The police officers said, "Don't shoot to hurt....kill them or they will sue you, or come back latter for you. " I said, "Okie-Dokie.....I have no problem with that....if they make it past our dogs they will be easy marks.....they won't be moving fast."
Got to go....God bless.
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Did you have trouble logging in here Marie???
I shoot a 22 C Ruger and if I feel really brave I will shoot my husbands 50 C Desert Eagle...That thing is like a canon and it's kick is harsh for a gal....
Though I don't think I will shoot to kill, my husband says to mame pretty good and as long as they can't walk or run to get me...that will do for me....
Yes Pamala I did have problems getting on.....I had to log in....good thing I wrote it down some place...
I'm thinking about getting a smaller hand gun for me.....the magnum has a good kick....and I'm getting older.....arthitic...and lupus.
Ouuu Awaaaaaaaaaa!!!! a Desert Eagle...nice.
If the guy scares the bee-jeepers out of me....I think I'd aim for the center mass....and I think I'd prett much kill him.....cuz I think I'd keep on shooting till he dropped....
I'm thinking about getting a smaller hand gun for me.....the magnum has a good kick....and I'm getting older.....arthitic...and lupus.
Ouuu Awaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
a Desert Eagle...nice. If the guy scares the bee-jeepers out of me....I think I'd aim for the center mass....and I think I'd prett much kill him.....cuz I think I'd keep on shooting till he dropped....
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Is there a difference between individuals coming to your door in search of food?
How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
If they're breaking into my house I have to assume they intend to cause me or my family harm. If they aren't violent I will hold them until the cops show up and if they run I wouldn't shoot them in the back. How about between those that come looking for food in a violent or non-violent manner?
What about a group that just wants to steal your stuff?
What about a group that wants to rape your daughters and cut your throat?
If they want food all they have to do is knock on the door and ask. As for stealing my stuff, I wouldnt shoot someone for that. Even if it was legal(which in Mo. it's not) dealing with killing someone over a material object is not what I want to do for the rest of my life.
However if they're violent and intend to harm my family, they will have to climb over my dead body and a pile of empty brass to get to them.
Dear Rosie in Canada
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We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
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In your situation there is a way around and that way is God's provision. No law is above it and I ask God and pray for you as well as any one contacting and reading this forum to never have to face any situation where all the human laws are against any of you. May God protect you all at all times and may you have as much rest in this crazy world as possible, despite the fact that criminals have more rights than you do.
I don't understand this law against guns, but it's understand in this new coming NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
. In the O.T. when the people of God had to fight unbelievers (heathen), they did not go with bare hands! Yes God was with them but He never told them to stay with hanging hands!
So what we are left now with (since they try to get our guns is either to go buy some + ammunition and cache them in secret places for later) or hope and pray for God's providence and guidance in times of crisis so we can and will be able to overcome any of them crisis, which no human law can reach!
Where our fundamental rights are taken away, GOD HAS TO PROVIDE FOR A SUBSTITUTE; now it's our duty to ask Him to give us the appropriate substitute in each appropriate situation!
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We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
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In your situation there is a way around and that way is God's provision. No law is above it and I ask God and pray for you as well as any one contacting and reading this forum to never have to face any situation where all the human laws are against any of you. May God protect you all at all times and may you have as much rest in this crazy world as possible, despite the fact that criminals have more rights than you do.
I don't understand this law against guns, but it's understand in this new coming NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
. In the O.T. when the people of God had to fight unbelievers (heathen), they did not go with bare hands! Yes God was with them but He never told them to stay with hanging hands!So what we are left now with (since they try to get our guns is either to go buy some + ammunition and cache them in secret places for later) or hope and pray for God's providence and guidance in times of crisis so we can and will be able to overcome any of them crisis, which no human law can reach!
Where our fundamental rights are taken away, GOD HAS TO PROVIDE FOR A SUBSTITUTE; now it's our duty to ask Him to give us the appropriate substitute in each appropriate situation!
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Dear Rosie in Canada
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We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
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In your situation there is a way around and that way is God's provision. No law is above it and I ask God and pray for you as well as any one contacting and reading this forum to never have to face any situation where all the human laws are against any of you. May God protect you all at all times and may you have as much rest in this crazy world as possible, despite the fact that criminals have more rights than you do.
I don't understand this law against guns, but it's understand in this new coming NEW WORLD ORDER!!! . In the O.T. when the people of God had to fight unbelievers (heathen), they did not go with bare hands! Yes God was with them but He never told them to stay with hanging hands!
So what we are left now with (since they try to get our guns is either to go buy some + ammunition and cache them in secret places for later) or hope and pray for God's providence and guidance in times of crisis so we can and will be able to overcome any of them crisis, which no human law can reach!
Where our fundamental rights are taken away, GOD HAS TO PROVIDE FOR A SUBSTITUTE; now it's our duty to ask Him to give us the appropriate substitute in each appropriate situation!
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We have got the craziest law in Canada. We cannot even shoot someone if they come in our house and steal or rape or whatever. We are not even allowed to have
such weapons. We would be charged if we tried and protected our family.
The criminal has more rights. That is nuts as far as I am concerned.
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In your situation there is a way around and that way is God's provision. No law is above it and I ask God and pray for you as well as any one contacting and reading this forum to never have to face any situation where all the human laws are against any of you. May God protect you all at all times and may you have as much rest in this crazy world as possible, despite the fact that criminals have more rights than you do.
I don't understand this law against guns, but it's understand in this new coming NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
. In the O.T. when the people of God had to fight unbelievers (heathen), they did not go with bare hands! Yes God was with them but He never told them to stay with hanging hands!So what we are left now with (since they try to get our guns is either to go buy some + ammunition and cache them in secret places for later) or hope and pray for God's providence and guidance in times of crisis so we can and will be able to overcome any of them crisis, which no human law can reach!
Where our fundamental rights are taken away, GOD HAS TO PROVIDE FOR A SUBSTITUTE; now it's our duty to ask Him to give us the appropriate substitute in each appropriate situation!
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Senteami, thank you sooooo much for taking the time to reply to my post.
And thank you for being such a beautiful caring person.
The light of our Lord is shining in you mein leibling.
ich leibe diche
I can speak german, but can't write it very well. So excuse the spelling.
Oh and I am working on my French. Long way to go there.
Quite awhile ago I had my children out to a restaurant and we were practicing our
french. Well my daughter didn't say the word for fork very well and it came out sounding like, I better not say, but two elderly ladies just glared at us.
I just said pardon our french we haven't mastered it yet.
My first thought of course would be to protect my family if they were violent, and I would follow through with that - then hopefully be able to get the police, etc.... However, my second thought would be to pray for that person/persons and truly ask God to grant them His grace and mercy.
We are all children of God, even though some fall off the path of grace, and choose lifestyles that are not in line with biblical teachings...those are the ones most in need of God's mercy, and our prayers.
We are all children of God, even though some fall off the path of grace, and choose lifestyles that are not in line with biblical teachings...those are the ones most in need of God's mercy, and our prayers.
QUOTE(ingraceigo @ Jun 12 2006, 10:49 AM)
My first thought of course would be to protect my family if they were violent, and I would follow through with that - then hopefully be able to get the police, etc.... However, my second thought would be to pray for that person/persons and truly ask God to grant them His grace and mercy.
We are all children of God, even though some fall off the path of grace, and choose lifestyles that are not in line with biblical teachings...those are the ones most in need of God's mercy, and our prayers.
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We are all children of God, even though some fall off the path of grace, and choose lifestyles that are not in line with biblical teachings...those are the ones most in need of God's mercy, and our prayers.
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A little story I want to share...
During my High School years I was not very popular and I often had to deal with other girls harassing me in school. During Senior year a younger freshman girl followed me home. Now keep in mind that I was in High School, but I was an adult 18 yrs. old and this girl was only 14. I had to exercise restraint and "turn the other cheek" in this situation. Well, she was bragging about how her family was Itialian and mafia related(LOL) and would make me disappear and kill me. Then she tried to push me and start a fight.. So I told her "I would not do that because I have angels around protecting me." Literally, only a few seconds later a cop showed up.
You should've seent the look on her face! 
(Priceless!) I could have brought charges against her for assault... but God told me not to and let her go. So I think the Lord gives us the wisdom in these situations...So I if anyone shows up to harm my family... I'll remind myself of that little test long ago and speak out the "name of Jesus"... and give them a warning that their messing with a God's kids before I do anything out the flesh.
I had a uy threaten ti rape and kill my family for caling the Police on him when he broke into a house. My reputation for being in the military and a firearms enthusiest earned me the nickname "Tacklberry". So when I warned him of what would happen if he tried, it carried some weight. His response was "You call yourself a Christian? Jesus says you can't stop me!" There were members in our Church who rebuked me and ordered me to ask his forgivness. i never did. If fact, my reply was that If he did attack my family, I would send him to jesus to appeal his case to him. I doubt that Christ would rule is his favor "Lord! I tried to rape this mans wife and children and he shot me!"
There is no way that I could stand by and watch someone violently harm my
family or anybody I saw being victimized and not do everything I could to protect them.
It would be so morally wrong and against my instincts.
If I am wrong in thinking this way, Jesus and I have to have a little talk.
Actually, I have always been more fierce in my defense of others. Myself, I have a pretty long fuse.
QUOTE(Baa! @ Jul 2 2006, 12:07 AM)
There is no way that I could stand by and watch someone violently harm my
family or anybody I saw being victimized and not do everything I could to protect them.
It would be so morally wrong and against my instincts.
If I am wrong in thinking this way, Jesus and I have to have a little talk.
Actually, I have always been more fierce in my defense of others. Myself, I have a pretty long fuse.
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family or anybody I saw being victimized and not do everything I could to protect them.
It would be so morally wrong and against my instincts.
If I am wrong in thinking this way, Jesus and I have to have a little talk.
Actually, I have always been more fierce in my defense of others. Myself, I have a pretty long fuse.
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I am the same Baa.
I would have to jump in and help any one in trouble.
I have always been like this.
Now for myself, I would rather endure it than have my family hurt in any way.
testing. please disregard
Todd (admin/moderator)
Todd (admin/moderator)
QUOTE(Baa! @ Jul 1 2006, 10:07 PM)
If I am wrong in thinking this way, Jesus and I have to have a little talk.
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You would do no such thing. Do you actually believe that you or anyother human will be able to dictate anything to the Lord of Lords and king of Kings?
While I doubt that jesus would back up the claim that one pacifist told me in his claim that we should follow Lotss example on how to handle a rapist (If a man wishes to rape your wife, give him your daughters also) but if I am wrong and this is what it later turns out that this is what we are supposed to do, I would have to lay the shooting of that rapist at the foot of the Cross along with the rest of my sins.
Since Jesus spoke of a wise man being on gueard to stop a robber as common sense, I doubt that the pacifists were right to rbuke me for pulling a gun on someone who threatened to harm my family. But if I was wrong, I am covered by Grace.
"But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into." Luke 12:39
The Eye opener ………………. As we break it down to under the roof of one individual family against the enemy……………………..
The question on the forum ….are we in fear of ….. For this site?
Are we in fear of the antichrist coming and stealing our……. would be or could be in the Lord?
Are we in fear of a fresh new………..born again believer ….. Reading the wrong material and in confusion fall by the wayside?
In my camp…………….
We all had welcomed a wolf in sheep’s clothing to come in and feel free to be part of... amongst us.
I first came to the realization………………….this person is dangerous………
……….and no individual Loving Jesus would behave this way………Love was replaced with doubt, wonderment, confusion, distrust, and fear……..
Praise Jesus……He and ………I threw the wolf out of the camp.
Once again the atmosphere is lighter, more free, calm, loving, peaceful and the presence of the Lord is once again felt here…………..
I know first hand what the enemy can do,,,,,,,
,,, slowly over time things do begin to change.
Almost unnoticeably you cross some unseen threshold, involving everyone in the camp;
all in a new realm of being.
The wolf brings in constant turmoil, causes bickering, can be extremely unable to reason with, thus nothing done in goodness is ever good enough.
The wolf feeling it is welcome,,,,,,,,,,, feels it is welcome to do anything… hence condemnational tongue lashing fills the air…..
Undermining good for evil, degrading, depravation of whom we could be without the wolf, demoralization and the likes of the negatives….are brought in by the wolf.
We all have a point of breaking…………………..and realizing …………..this is ENOUGH!
Be gone with you.
When we feel we have tried and done all we can…………….In the name of Jesus………WHEN IT BEGINS TO BREAK US DOWN.…………….. We have done all we can.
WE ALL NEED A WAKE UP CALL……………………CAUSING ME TO RECALL THE WOLF WE HAD TO REMOVE FROM US THAT WE COULD BE MORE IN THE LORD…. IS A WAKE UP CALL TO ME.?
AS A CORD WAS STRUCK ON THE WAY YOU PRESENTED YOUR POST.
My controversial thoughts are of stronghold. We were fewer in number,,,, blindsided to truth until it began to devour us.
Are we an army in this site…………… ready to do battle or are we a small family unsuspecting?
We are aware of…………… many of you more so than I ………….. I acknowledge……… my newness in the site deprives me of some hindsight…. As well as the fortitude of its believing members.
The question is …….. Are we more than the enemy?
Are we prepared to do battle?
Are we out numbered?
Perhaps a new frame of mind on this is……………. Does it appear that the enemy is simply here to heckle? To cause a riff? Or is there some deeper reason in a sick broken ………traumatized soul…………. That does not feel safe to break down its own walls, personal barriers of security...as of yet……to let the light and love of Jesus in.
I know we are not born Saved……… We all have to start somewhere………………?
We took a little here and a little there……………. Someone we didn’t want to talk to watered our seed of faith……….. and then another……….. fed us more nourishment……..
Another was our sunlight through the darkness…………….. and then God sent in the one special event, person or persons to bring us to complete desire to: kneel at the edge of eternity-
and Claim; I Do Jesus……… Take Me, I’m Yours.
Personally…………… I know many times before Salvation……………. I was force-fed food of God I did not hunger for…………………. I wanted to RUN!
We can’t break down in this site………………. So, before we reach that measure of weary from battle… and crash……………… rendering this site useless to any good for God.
We know there is Power in the Blood and Power in Delete.
I will take the stance of; to new to know - The strength of the members.
The all seeing eye of the Moderators knows more than I do ………….. of the potential overload of antichrist in the camp and the souls that could be lost in confusion.
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May I, suggest?
Perhaps the antichrists can smite themselves out of the site?
I, uncertain as the tight moderation of potential postings.
Do some just slide through unchecked?
Others moderated before permitting posting?
How much work weight is placed upon the moderators?
Can / do they have time to actually check each and every post?
Lets just say a post gets through and its Not worthy or acceptable material.
If an antichrist offers up a first time post of offensive material………………………
…. Let the post be pulled……
…Send a warning of *Unacceptable Behavior ... consider it a warning....
Thus, if it should happen again; ...One has dismissed him or herself from the site…in light of bad behavior or rule breaking!
There may even be a ‘time penalty out’?…………….Say, Thirty days?………
…….. Or NO recourse of re-entry period……..
Let the older members … seniors if you will ………together with the Moderators carve........ A LIST OF COMMANDMENTS TO FOLLOW..........
ANYONE BEING MADE AWARE OF.................AND BREAKS ONE......
CASTS HIM OR HERSELF OUT of the site..........
For future reference sake we do not have to concern ourselves with who to delete... .................they do it to themselves.............by freedom of choice.
God Bless
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Psalm 24:8
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. WHAT IS OUR FORTITUDE IN THE LORD?
Psalm 55:18
He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me. WEARY FROM BATTLE THE LORD DELIVERS.
Matthew 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy LOVE THEY NEIGHBOR.............. HATE SATAN.
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. SATAN IS THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION , GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF PEACE AS IS IN ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Psalm 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. GOD RULES AND CALMS....................
Ecclesiastes 11:4 He that observeth the wind will not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds will not reap. ADVERSITY AND EXCUSE.
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A Time for Everything
Ecclesiastes
3To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given
Hi,
some years ago I was harrassed for helping some families help their
children who were assaulted...they didn't know who at the time or
exactly how...so...being a neighbor...I tried to help them...
I learned alot about spiritual warfare...and that guns have nothing to
do with protection...I know that sounds crazy...and I believe that we
should be able to bear guns according to the contitution...so, I will
just tell you this story...
I really ticked off some evil people that had something to do with
traumatizing some very little children...I didn't know who they were...
but I believed the children and from 1, there was 3 then more than 6,
and then I met some parents that lived out of the area with chldren...
and they seemed to recognize the other children...really bizarre...
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin. It was so loud...it hurt my ears...and it was so
powerful that it knocked me down...I waited for sirenss...or
neighbors...nothing...finally after surveying the mess of glass and
plaster...I looked outside...the car had gone...
I decided to get rid of the guns and be safe from myself...Jesus, you
are my protection. When you show me something different, then I
will do that...if that happens please teach me how to shoot...
Shalom,.
Signet
some years ago I was harrassed for helping some families help their
children who were assaulted...they didn't know who at the time or
exactly how...so...being a neighbor...I tried to help them...
I learned alot about spiritual warfare...and that guns have nothing to
do with protection...I know that sounds crazy...and I believe that we
should be able to bear guns according to the contitution...so, I will
just tell you this story...
I really ticked off some evil people that had something to do with
traumatizing some very little children...I didn't know who they were...
but I believed the children and from 1, there was 3 then more than 6,
and then I met some parents that lived out of the area with chldren...
and they seemed to recognize the other children...really bizarre...
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin. It was so loud...it hurt my ears...and it was so
powerful that it knocked me down...I waited for sirenss...or
neighbors...nothing...finally after surveying the mess of glass and
plaster...I looked outside...the car had gone...
I decided to get rid of the guns and be safe from myself...Jesus, you
are my protection. When you show me something different, then I
will do that...if that happens please teach me how to shoot...
Shalom,.
Signet
QUOTE(Signet @ Jul 2 2006, 09:59 PM)
Hi,
some years ago I was harrassed for helping some families help their
children who were assaulted...they didn't know who at the time or
exactly how...so...being a neighbor...I tried to help them...
I learned alot about spiritual warfare...and that guns have nothing to
do with protection...I know that sounds crazy...and I believe that we
should be able to bear guns according to the contitution...so, I will
just tell you this story...
I really ticked off some evil people that had something to do with
traumatizing some very little children...I didn't know who they were...
but I believed the children and from 1, there was 3 then more than 6,
and then I met some parents that lived out of the area with chldren...
and they seemed to recognize the other children...really bizarre...
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin. It was so loud...it hurt my ears...and it was so
powerful that it knocked me down...I waited for sirenss...or
neighbors...nothing...finally after surveying the mess of glass and
plaster...I looked outside...the car had gone...
I decided to get rid of the guns and be safe from myself...Jesus, you
are my protection. When you show me something different, then I
will do that...if that happens please teach me how to shoot...
Shalom,.
Signet
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some years ago I was harrassed for helping some families help their
children who were assaulted...they didn't know who at the time or
exactly how...so...being a neighbor...I tried to help them...
I learned alot about spiritual warfare...and that guns have nothing to
do with protection...I know that sounds crazy...and I believe that we
should be able to bear guns according to the contitution...so, I will
just tell you this story...
I really ticked off some evil people that had something to do with
traumatizing some very little children...I didn't know who they were...
but I believed the children and from 1, there was 3 then more than 6,
and then I met some parents that lived out of the area with chldren...
and they seemed to recognize the other children...really bizarre...
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin. It was so loud...it hurt my ears...and it was so
powerful that it knocked me down...I waited for sirenss...or
neighbors...nothing...finally after surveying the mess of glass and
plaster...I looked outside...the car had gone...
I decided to get rid of the guns and be safe from myself...Jesus, you
are my protection. When you show me something different, then I
will do that...if that happens please teach me how to shoot...
Shalom,.
Signet
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You violated rule #4 "Keep your finger off of the trigger until your sights are on target. Like anything else, you cannot dabble in something. Either you are into it or you are not. You bought firearms out of fear but you did not take up the sport.
This is the worst kind of gun owner. One who buys a weapon and simply stashes it until he or she thinks they need it. So, while you have chosen to get rid of your weapons (And rightfully so) Do you condem those who do not?
QUOTE(Love123 @ Jul 2 2006, 10:54 PM)
The Eye opener ………………. As we break it down to under the roof of one individual family against the enemy……………………..
The question on the forum ….are we in fear of ….. For this site?
Are we in fear of the antichrist coming and stealing our……. would be or could be in the Lord?
Are we in fear of a fresh new………..born again believer ….. Reading the wrong material and in confusion fall by the wayside?
In my camp…………….
We all had welcomed a wolf in sheep’s clothing to come in and feel free to be part of... amongst us.
I first came to the realization………………….this person is dangerous………
……….and no individual Loving Jesus would behave this way………Love was replaced with doubt, wonderment, confusion, distrust, and fear……..
Praise Jesus……He and ………I threw the wolf out of the camp.
Once again the atmosphere is lighter, more free, calm, loving, peaceful and the presence of the Lord is once again felt here…………..
I know first hand what the enemy can do,,,,,,,
,,, slowly over time things do begin to change.
Almost unnoticeably you cross some unseen threshold, involving everyone in the camp;
all in a new realm of being.
The wolf brings in constant turmoil, causes bickering, can be extremely unable to reason with, thus nothing done in goodness is ever good enough.
The wolf feeling it is welcome,,,,,,,,,,, feels it is welcome to do anything… hence condemnational tongue lashing fills the air…..
Undermining good for evil, degrading, depravation of whom we could be without the wolf, demoralization and the likes of the negatives….are brought in by the wolf.
We all have a point of breaking…………………..and realizing …………..this is ENOUGH!
Be gone with you.
When we feel we have tried and done all we can…………….In the name of Jesus………WHEN IT BEGINS TO BREAK US DOWN.…………….. We have done all we can.
WE ALL NEED A WAKE UP CALL……………………CAUSING ME TO RECALL THE WOLF WE HAD TO REMOVE FROM US THAT WE COULD BE MORE IN THE LORD…. IS A WAKE UP CALL TO ME.?
AS A CORD WAS STRUCK ON THE WAY YOU PRESENTED YOUR POST.
My controversial thoughts are of stronghold. We were fewer in number,,,, blindsided to truth until it began to devour us.
Are we an army in this site…………… ready to do battle or are we a small family unsuspecting?
We are aware of…………… many of you more so than I ………….. I acknowledge……… my newness in the site deprives me of some hindsight…. As well as the fortitude of its believing members.
The question is …….. Are we more than the enemy?
Are we prepared to do battle?
Are we out numbered?
Perhaps a new frame of mind on this is……………. Does it appear that the enemy is simply here to heckle? To cause a riff? Or is there some deeper reason in a sick broken ………traumatized soul…………. That does not feel safe to break down its own walls, personal barriers of security...as of yet……to let the light and love of Jesus in.
I know we are not born Saved……… We all have to start somewhere………………?
We took a little here and a little there……………. Someone we didn’t want to talk to watered our seed of faith……….. and then another……….. fed us more nourishment……..
Another was our sunlight through the darkness…………….. and then God sent in the one special event, person or persons to bring us to complete desire to: kneel at the edge of eternity-
and Claim; I Do Jesus……… Take Me, I’m Yours.
Personally…………… I know many times before Salvation……………. I was force-fed food of God I did not hunger for…………………. I wanted to RUN!
We can’t break down in this site………………. So, before we reach that measure of weary from battle… and crash……………… rendering this site useless to any good for God.
We know there is Power in the Blood and Power in Delete.
I will take the stance of; to new to know - The strength of the members.
The all seeing eye of the Moderators knows more than I do ………….. of the potential overload of antichrist in the camp and the souls that could be lost in confusion.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```
May I, suggest?
Perhaps the antichrists can smite themselves out of the site?
I, uncertain as the tight moderation of potential postings.
Do some just slide through unchecked?
Others moderated before permitting posting?
How much work weight is placed upon the moderators?
Can / do they have time to actually check each and every post?
Lets just say a post gets through and its Not worthy or acceptable material.
If an antichrist offers up a first time post of offensive material………………………
…. Let the post be pulled……
…Send a warning of *Unacceptable Behavior ... consider it a warning....
Thus, if it should happen again; ...One has dismissed him or herself from the site…in light of bad behavior or rule breaking!
There may even be a ‘time penalty out’?…………….Say, Thirty days?………
…….. Or NO recourse of re-entry period……..
Let the older members … seniors if you will ………together with the Moderators carve........ A LIST OF COMMANDMENTS TO FOLLOW..........
ANYONE BEING MADE AWARE OF.................AND BREAKS ONE......
CASTS HIM OR HERSELF OUT of the site..........
For future reference sake we do not have to concern ourselves with who to delete... .................they do it to themselves.............by freedom of choice.
God Bless
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Psalm 24:8
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. WHAT IS OUR FORTITUDE IN THE LORD?
Psalm 55:18
He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me. WEARY FROM BATTLE THE LORD DELIVERS.
Matthew 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy LOVE THEY NEIGHBOR.............. HATE SATAN.
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. SATAN IS THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION , GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF PEACE AS IS IN ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Psalm 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. GOD RULES AND CALMS....................
Ecclesiastes 11:4 He that observeth the wind will not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds will not reap. ADVERSITY AND EXCUSE.
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A Time for Everything
Ecclesiastes
3To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given
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The question on the forum ….are we in fear of ….. For this site?
Are we in fear of the antichrist coming and stealing our……. would be or could be in the Lord?
Are we in fear of a fresh new………..born again believer ….. Reading the wrong material and in confusion fall by the wayside?
In my camp…………….
We all had welcomed a wolf in sheep’s clothing to come in and feel free to be part of... amongst us.
I first came to the realization………………….this person is dangerous………
……….and no individual Loving Jesus would behave this way………Love was replaced with doubt, wonderment, confusion, distrust, and fear……..
Praise Jesus……He and ………I threw the wolf out of the camp.
Once again the atmosphere is lighter, more free, calm, loving, peaceful and the presence of the Lord is once again felt here…………..
I know first hand what the enemy can do,,,,,,,
,,, slowly over time things do begin to change.
Almost unnoticeably you cross some unseen threshold, involving everyone in the camp;
all in a new realm of being.
The wolf brings in constant turmoil, causes bickering, can be extremely unable to reason with, thus nothing done in goodness is ever good enough.
The wolf feeling it is welcome,,,,,,,,,,, feels it is welcome to do anything… hence condemnational tongue lashing fills the air…..
Undermining good for evil, degrading, depravation of whom we could be without the wolf, demoralization and the likes of the negatives….are brought in by the wolf.
We all have a point of breaking…………………..and realizing …………..this is ENOUGH!
Be gone with you.
When we feel we have tried and done all we can…………….In the name of Jesus………WHEN IT BEGINS TO BREAK US DOWN.…………….. We have done all we can.
WE ALL NEED A WAKE UP CALL……………………CAUSING ME TO RECALL THE WOLF WE HAD TO REMOVE FROM US THAT WE COULD BE MORE IN THE LORD…. IS A WAKE UP CALL TO ME.?
AS A CORD WAS STRUCK ON THE WAY YOU PRESENTED YOUR POST.
My controversial thoughts are of stronghold. We were fewer in number,,,, blindsided to truth until it began to devour us.
Are we an army in this site…………… ready to do battle or are we a small family unsuspecting?
We are aware of…………… many of you more so than I ………….. I acknowledge……… my newness in the site deprives me of some hindsight…. As well as the fortitude of its believing members.
The question is …….. Are we more than the enemy?
Are we prepared to do battle?
Are we out numbered?
Perhaps a new frame of mind on this is……………. Does it appear that the enemy is simply here to heckle? To cause a riff? Or is there some deeper reason in a sick broken ………traumatized soul…………. That does not feel safe to break down its own walls, personal barriers of security...as of yet……to let the light and love of Jesus in.
I know we are not born Saved……… We all have to start somewhere………………?
We took a little here and a little there……………. Someone we didn’t want to talk to watered our seed of faith……….. and then another……….. fed us more nourishment……..
Another was our sunlight through the darkness…………….. and then God sent in the one special event, person or persons to bring us to complete desire to: kneel at the edge of eternity-
and Claim; I Do Jesus……… Take Me, I’m Yours.
Personally…………… I know many times before Salvation……………. I was force-fed food of God I did not hunger for…………………. I wanted to RUN!
We can’t break down in this site………………. So, before we reach that measure of weary from battle… and crash……………… rendering this site useless to any good for God.
We know there is Power in the Blood and Power in Delete.
I will take the stance of; to new to know - The strength of the members.
The all seeing eye of the Moderators knows more than I do ………….. of the potential overload of antichrist in the camp and the souls that could be lost in confusion.
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May I, suggest?
Perhaps the antichrists can smite themselves out of the site?
I, uncertain as the tight moderation of potential postings.
Do some just slide through unchecked?
Others moderated before permitting posting?
How much work weight is placed upon the moderators?
Can / do they have time to actually check each and every post?
Lets just say a post gets through and its Not worthy or acceptable material.
If an antichrist offers up a first time post of offensive material………………………
…. Let the post be pulled……
…Send a warning of *Unacceptable Behavior ... consider it a warning....
Thus, if it should happen again; ...One has dismissed him or herself from the site…in light of bad behavior or rule breaking!
There may even be a ‘time penalty out’?…………….Say, Thirty days?………
…….. Or NO recourse of re-entry period……..
Let the older members … seniors if you will ………together with the Moderators carve........ A LIST OF COMMANDMENTS TO FOLLOW..........
ANYONE BEING MADE AWARE OF.................AND BREAKS ONE......
CASTS HIM OR HERSELF OUT of the site..........
For future reference sake we do not have to concern ourselves with who to delete... .................they do it to themselves.............by freedom of choice.
God Bless
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Psalm 24:8
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. WHAT IS OUR FORTITUDE IN THE LORD?
Psalm 55:18
He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me. WEARY FROM BATTLE THE LORD DELIVERS.
Matthew 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy LOVE THEY NEIGHBOR.............. HATE SATAN.
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. SATAN IS THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION , GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF PEACE AS IS IN ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Psalm 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. GOD RULES AND CALMS....................
Ecclesiastes 11:4 He that observeth the wind will not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds will not reap. ADVERSITY AND EXCUSE.
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A Time for Everything
Ecclesiastes
3To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given
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Agreed. You know that the enemy in at the door. Post watchmen on the wall and have them sound the alarm. And these watchmen are not the moderators, for they are not "god" and cannot do all things at all times. Advanced members and those rooted in the word must be those that stand on the wall and watch and warn of activity that threatens.
Agreed. You know that the enemy in at the door. Post watchmen on the wall and have them sound the alarm. And these watchmen are not the moderators, for they are not "god" and cannot do all things at all times. Advanced members and those rooted in the word must be those that stand on the wall and watch and warn of activity that threatens.
Isn't that where we are at the moment?
Isn't that where we are at the moment?
QUOTE(Love123 @ Jul 3 2006, 01:56 PM)
Agreed. You know that the enemy in at the door. Post watchmen on the wall and have them sound the alarm. And these watchmen are not the moderators, for they are not "god" and cannot do all things at all times. Advanced members and those rooted in the word must be those that stand on the wall and watch and warn of activity that threatens.
Isn't that where we are at the moment?
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Isn't that where we are at the moment?
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How do we evolve from where we are in who to delete and when is it enough and who should eat or be force-fed.............?
I think the dilemma of where we stand divided on some souls that could be lost...
If we become to righteous... we are no worldly good.
If we become too worldly... we are no righteously good.
Where is the line-----------------------------------------------------------------?
People need rules..............to follow..................... give us rules and the antichrist will smite him or herself out of this site. Problem Solved.
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Satan knows how to behave amongst us......
He once worshiped God..........................until he was cast out of Heaven.
*Throw a lifeline ....
..............under guideline......... QUOTE(BernieEOD @ Jul 3 2006, 10:43 AM)
QUOTE(Signet @ Jul 2 2006, 09:59 PM)
Hi,
some years ago I was harrassed for helping some families help their
children who were assaulted...they didn't know who at the time or
exactly how...so...being a neighbor...I tried to help them...
I learned alot about spiritual warfare...and that guns have nothing to
do with protection...I know that sounds crazy...and I believe that we
should be able to bear guns according to the contitution...so, I will
just tell you this story...
I really ticked off some evil people that had something to do with
traumatizing some very little children...I didn't know who they were...
but I believed the children and from 1, there was 3 then more than 6,
and then I met some parents that lived out of the area with chldren...
and they seemed to recognize the other children...really bizarre...
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin. It was so loud...it hurt my ears...and it was so
powerful that it knocked me down...I waited for sirenss...or
neighbors...nothing...finally after surveying the mess of glass and
plaster...I looked outside...the car had gone...
I decided to get rid of the guns and be safe from myself...Jesus, you
are my protection. When you show me something different, then I
will do that...if that happens please teach me how to shoot...
Shalom,.
Signet
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some years ago I was harrassed for helping some families help their
children who were assaulted...they didn't know who at the time or
exactly how...so...being a neighbor...I tried to help them...
I learned alot about spiritual warfare...and that guns have nothing to
do with protection...I know that sounds crazy...and I believe that we
should be able to bear guns according to the contitution...so, I will
just tell you this story...
I really ticked off some evil people that had something to do with
traumatizing some very little children...I didn't know who they were...
but I believed the children and from 1, there was 3 then more than 6,
and then I met some parents that lived out of the area with chldren...
and they seemed to recognize the other children...really bizarre...
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin. It was so loud...it hurt my ears...and it was so
powerful that it knocked me down...I waited for sirenss...or
neighbors...nothing...finally after surveying the mess of glass and
plaster...I looked outside...the car had gone...
I decided to get rid of the guns and be safe from myself...Jesus, you
are my protection. When you show me something different, then I
will do that...if that happens please teach me how to shoot...
Shalom,.
Signet
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You violated rule #4 "Keep your finger off of the trigger until your sights are on target. Like anything else, you cannot dabble in something. Either you are into it or you are not. You bought firearms out of fear but you did not take up the sport.
This is the worst kind of gun owner. One who buys a weapon and simply stashes it until he or she thinks they need it. So, while you have chosen to get rid of your weapons (And rightfully so) Do you condem those who do not?
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I condemn no one. I stated that I uphold the constitution and it includes
the right to bear arms...and for many as you say that keep guns, they know
how to use them...and it is a travesty to have arms taken away...for those
that lawfully have them...it sets us up for what seems to be already happening,
take New Orleans for example...marshall law, commandeering neighborhoods,
confiscating weapons, removing people from homes with guns drawn...very
scary...there was some legitimate issues with looting...yet, it seems that
scenario will be played over and over...
On one clip a soldier stated that he would rather be in Iraq...that to pull a gun
and possibly have to shoot a citizen...very scary
Yes, when threatened many times we do things out of fear...and then, we learn
the lesson...for me it was that the gun was not going to protect me even if
I didn't choke up on it...
God called me as an intercessor...and that was early on...one of the lessons
I learned.. There was a shooting range close by and I used to go...So, how God taught me from this is that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal....and we are to put on the armor of the Lord.
Signet
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[quote=BernieEOD,Jul 3 2006, 10:43 AM][quote=Signet,Jul 2 2006, 09:59 PM]Hi,
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin.
Shalom,.
Signet
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Your story has a lot of holes in it...More holes than your "Archway"
1) There is no such thing as "Shooting lessons" There are several classes you can take starting with a Basic safety and handling course. Advancing up to home defense, cancealed carry defense and other advanced tactical courses.
2) You cannot buy a firearm with a "Hair trigger" All manufacturers sell their weapons with heavier than necessary trigger pulls in order to avoid the very thing you claim happened. So unless you bought a used shotgun, it did not have a "hair trigger". Even if you bought a used shotgun, people seldomly if ever alter or tune the trigger of shotguns. This is normally done on pistols and in some cases, rifles.
3) "I picked up the gun and it just went off". Doesn't happen. If the trigger assembly was altered, a good jolt might make it disachrge.
4) You picked up a shotgun, it went off, and put "A hole" in your arch?
Unless you were using slugs, shotguns fire shot, not a single projectile.
There should have been a patteren or many holes in your arch, not just one.
I doubt that any reputable gun shop would sell or advise you to buy slugs with your entry level experience.
5) Either you did not listen very well during your "Shooting lessons" Or you need to ask for your money back. Who told you to store your weapon in
"Condition Zero"? (Loaded & chanbered with the safety off)
In conclusion, your story sounds made up. If in the rare chance that it is not, and you were taught to store your weapon in this manner, please give me the name / place where you recieved your "Shooting Lessons". This is far beyond debate. If you were taught to do this, we need to find out who teaches this and correct the problem.
[quote=BernieEOD,Jul 3 2006, 10:43 AM][quote=Signet,Jul 2 2006, 09:59 PM]Hi,
I was harrassed so much that I thought it important to buy guns. and
I took shooting lessons...well, I had a gun with me, in the car, in the
house, and a automatic shot gun next to the front door...then, on a
particular harrassing night, at about 2 am the dogs started barking,
and the 4 would not stop...I saw a car in the front of the house so
I prepared to get the gun, under the bed and be ready incase of a
breakin assault...well, when I pulled the gun up...it had a hair trigger
so they say and it went off in the dark into the next room...shot a
hole in the archway and lodged in the wall after cracking the picture
mirror in the walkin.
Shalom,.
Signet
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[/quote]
Your story has a lot of holes in it...More holes than your "Archway"
1) There is no such thing as "Shooting lessons" There are several classes you can take starting with a Basic safety and handling course. Advancing up to home defense, cancealed carry defense and other advanced tactical courses.
2) You cannot buy a firearm with a "Hair trigger" All manufacturers sell their weapons with heavier than necessary trigger pulls in order to avoid the very thing you claim happened. So unless you bought a used shotgun, it did not have a "hair trigger". Even if you bought a used shotgun, people seldomly if ever alter or tune the trigger of shotguns. This is normally done on pistols and in some cases, rifles.
3) "I picked up the gun and it just went off". Doesn't happen. If the trigger assembly was altered, a good jolt might make it disachrge.
4) You picked up a shotgun, it went off, and put "A hole" in your arch?
Unless you were using slugs, shotguns fire shot, not a single projectile.
There should have been a patteren or many holes in your arch, not just one.
I doubt that any reputable gun shop would sell or advise you to buy slugs with your entry level experience.
5) Either you did not listen very well during your "Shooting lessons" Or you need to ask for your money back. Who told you to store your weapon in
"Condition Zero"? (Loaded & chanbered with the safety off)
In conclusion, your story sounds made up. If in the rare chance that it is not, and you were taught to store your weapon in this manner, please give me the name / place where you recieved your "Shooting Lessons". This is far beyond debate. If you were taught to do this, we need to find out who teaches this and correct the problem.
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