Another theory, what is everyone elses view on this subject?

See the films:http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml

http://www.exodus2006.com/missile2.htm

How Flight 77 Hitting The Pentagon Would Really Look: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may20...6reallylook.htm

Would what hit the Pentagon change the reality of what hit the World Trade Center? No Cruise Missle there.

The U.S. is now at war and I'm more concerned that the terror threat be eliminated, rather than to attempt to undercut the U.S. government.

Islam must be transformed. There is no other acceptable outcome.

If you look very closely at the first film :55 seconds time elapses and from the pentagon, you see a figure running from the area of impact. At mark 1:26-7 on film 1, a car appears to the right in line with the explosion, a flash, and the car is gone; it must have backed up out of the picture. You can see the same thing on film 2 but the car is in a better view. I saw no plane. An aircraft striking the pentagon from that angle would not cause such a small explosion straight up in the air with no debris

Triana I agree. In fact, if it was not flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, then where are all of the people that were on that flight? They were calling on cell phones, talking to some of their loved ones before the plane hit the building. A made up flight? They did not land anywhere, so the queston is where are they if the plane did not hit the pentagon?

Triana, good answer. Transforming Islam is key, but it will not happen. I do tired of the conspiracy theorists...

I have never seen the whole video before. Fascinating. I think I found something else interesting. In video 1, watch something pass through the middle of the frame from left to right starting at 2:26 and ending at 2:44 and then again on video 2 starting at 1:26 and ending on 1:44. On the second video, notice the arm raises and there is no car.

Amen sistah!!

Transforming Islam is key ? Whose God are you taking the command from? Don't you think that Islam is trying to Transform the belief of Christianity? You cannot fight their fire with their fire. That is the whole problem with the war. People keep dieing. WMDs are popping up everywhere and we are just turning away and listening to the voice in our heads that is put in there by the political establishment that 'their is no weapons of mass destruction.' What is being done is elimination of the weapons of mass destruction by the people that say there is no WMDs. They are trying and succeeding to be prophets in their own lands. If yall actually heard the speeches of the lawmakers and even the President of the United States, you would somehow find a way to stop the madness, the confusion which is a mark of the name of the Bush family. But, being one single individual, you can only flow with the Spirit. God sent a strong delusion among the people to bring out His people.
It is written, 'Come out of her and be ye separate.'

You sound like a Bush mouth piece, truly.

The only way islam will be "transformed" is to have everyone of them convert to Christianity. That would be the only acceptable outcome, and we know that's not going to happen.

God has a plan for them too.

Many will be saved and come to the light of the world.

Shaun and Gregg - that is, I am sure, what Triana is talking about. I think it is a rhetorical thought...of course it won't happen. Just try to be a little nicer in your replies to people. So what if some of the members agree with Bush - why do you care? Others side with the Democrats and that is okay, too. It does not affect your salvation, does it? Nope....

Todd

Amen Todd!

When you hear the exact thing being said by our politicans, republican or democrat, but especially Bush, I sincerely doubt there is any "rhetorical" aspect about it.

What does transforming islam mean to you todd?

You are telling me to be nicer to people? Uh-huh.

I'd like to see it mean what it means to the Lord...Especially since he's no respecter of persons Shaun. He loves those people the same as he loves you!
God bless you again!

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When you hear the exact thing being said by our politicans, republican or democrat, but especially Bush, I sincerely doubt there is any "rhetorical" aspect about it.

Transformation of Islam will happen.

It will happen when Islam is poured upon by the Holy Spirit.

Transformation isn't rhetoric, it is a real possibility. It has the potential available with God's grace.

Islam has hidden its followers from the Holy Spirit. Islam is devoid of the Holy Spirit in its practices.

Transformation will happen when Christians strive to live Christ-like lives, when Jews strive to live as the Creator instructed, and when Islam is filled with Children of God rather than slaves to spiritual deception.

To all those who say this will never happen, I say it will. I say it must. I pray it will. I pray it must. Channel your energy to adding more souls to the Book of Life, Islamic souls, Jewish souls, Christian souls, the souls of mankind.

With God, all things are possible. Believe it, live it.

Here is my point and I'll be very cherry nice so as not to offend our tough minded Christian forum here.

People can indeed believe in, politican wise, who they like. For the record I don't care much for Clinton either. Not a bleeding heart here, just not a fan of politicians. Right now the President is Bush (who I voted for and regret, also for your information).

When a claimed Christian man such as the President, completely goes against that with regard to dividing and supporting the division of Israel, as did Clinton, which I did not support and uses the same jargon in speeches about Islam being a peaceful religion and transforming Islam, it makes one wonder does it not? Well, it should if you call yourself a Christian.

We don't already know the answer, because our Politicians are so POLITICALLY CORRECT, like this board is becoming, that they want to cede points of their own Christianity to suit a false idea of a false god, such as islam. God forbid we offend a religion that blashphemes Jesus.

If they refuse to listen, wipe off your feet and leave them to their own destruction. Such is the point of view of GOD ALMIGHTY. My point is, that transforming, to politicans, seems to mean setting up a government in Iraq that STAYS islamic and continues to go vote against Israel under different political motivations. Make sense? That is transforming islam under our PC system.


..And Miki, God may love everyone equally, but when muslims die they go one way and Christians another...up. So in the end, what will be will be.

It all depends on how high minded you choose to be.
Don't get hung up in politics. God is in ultimate control and will move the pieces as he chooses for this end time game. He stills loves and died for all. Bush and Clinton included with the a fore mentioned.

"High Minded" or wise as to what's is being fed to everyone.

I guess one Christian's view of high mindedness is another one's view of being aware without your eyes being closed to everything that's going on in the world. Nobody's hung up in politics, I put Jesus before ANY politican on either side, but you should also know what's going on in the world, especially when it relates to Israel and Christiandom on the whole.

We don't live in Narnia.


So far apart.

Oh Shaun I know what's going on in politics...that's exactly why l want to focus on Jesus...amen? Love you!

Yes, but that "you" in my commentary was a general you, as in you (being everyone). You of course were included with that, but my meaning was everyone should be aware.

Focusing on Jesus should be number one, but being aware and focusing are two different things. By being aware, you (everyone) can recognize events that are to come and be better able to perhaps handle those things, is what I'm saying.

..and of course, I love you as well.

Don't want to speak for Shaun, but I don't think he is disputing that. However, what I think he is saying is that too many people these days, politicians included, sugar coat His truth into a "feel-good" concept, all in the name of political correctness. And in doing so, there's no way to dispute that it is essentially falsifying Him...and we are to turn away from that. I don't think he was saying "Triana...you are a mouthpiece of the Bush machine"...but rather pointing out how what she said, is something that has been repeated many times by Bush, and other politicians. I guess I don't understand why Shaun was made out to be this meanie.

Good...and you're right too...We should be aware of both with neither excluded.

Praising Yeshua...thanks for the clarification.

Give the lady a prize.

Prize?? For moi?? I hope it involves chocolate.

Triana,
I think you are right and thanks for reminding us all that nothing is impossible for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! Thank the LORD JESUS for people like you - you are a person of great faith! Amen!
Todd

TZ
I see what u r saying
You May HAVE found something
It's awful odd looking how the plane hits the ground and SUDDENLY it speeds up or bolts explosively fast into the building??

hmmm

Those that are tired of conspiracy theories, just quit reading those posts

Conspiracy theories and this ORIGINAL posting

Who in this country can truly trust our government anymore?

We've even been told of accounts where the PA crash, local hospitals and law enforcement were preparing for 2 planes crashes, because locals that immediately called it in said that's what they thought they heard and if Im not mistaken, someone said they saw 2 planes were

They could have been mistaken, just like TZ and I could be mistaken by a judgment call from POOR VIDEO?

The point is, some of us don't trust our government, so if they shot the planes down, the end result being the same, why just tell us?

Their r some of us in the forum, (me for one_) that believe we as a country....our government has MAJOR ROLES in our end times....we dont' know everything

but we do know this Jesus said many times "BE NOT DECEIVED",,,so we are not turning a blind eye.

HAveing said all that, I too voted for Bush...but I think GOD is who actuallly put him there, and I pray for our government as often as I can recall to....

An example for my country is the death of Princess Diana. An official investigation has been underway for a few months now and has unearthed some shocking and suspicious evidence that just doesnt fit with a 'normal' car accident. It just shows if you dig away for long enough.....

I have to say that I have little trust in out government, however, I think the one thing that people tend to forget about when floating their conspiracy theories, is that those were real people that were murdered on those planes, and in those towers, who had real familes, and real friends, that were left behind. I lived in NYC...the family I nannied for, lost all but ONE of their employees when the towers fell, and only by the grace of G-d, did the husband not die himself. I also had a friend who was on the plane that hit the south tower. And to this day, almost 5 years later, it SUCKS! I STILL cannot look at video of those towers being hit and collapsing...I still am unable to look at pictures in the many books that have been in print since. I don't care that people float conspiracy theories...I really don't. What DOES bother me however, is too often, along with the floating of those conspiracies, is the dismissal (however unintentionally) of those who were murdered.

Not trying to rag on anyone...I am just trying to offer a viewpoint of why some people are possibly tired of the abundant conspiracy theories that abound. To just dismiss someone for stating that they are tired of the theories, is, frankly, rude.

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  I don't care that people float conspiracy theories...I really don't.  What DOES bother me however, is too often, along with the floating of those conspiracies, is the dismissal (however unintentionally) of those who were murdered.

To most Americans, 9/11 was a defining moment for them. To you, it was a personal tradgedy. You understand what it is like to have evil destroy the lives of loved ones. You understand the magnitude of such evil acts.

Most people don't know someone who was murdered on 9/11. Most people don't understand the depth of such an evil act. That means most people must attempt to imagine what it is like and they give into personal fears as a guide.

In reality, there is almost nothing that someone can do to you that is worse than what you think they can do to you.

Conspiracy theorys are simply the manifestation of fears which come from the collective unconcious. I believe the conspiracy theorys are a test of faith. They test us to see if we will look behind us or will we look ahead. Will our lives be defined by the past or by the hope provided by the dawn of each new day.

Live is a gift that God gave man. To waste life is a sin.

Maybe a better question to ask is whether or not the victims of 9/11 if given a chance to return to their families would waste their time on conspiracy theorys or would they cherish every moment of life?

The Deciever wants people to focus on anything other than God. Its a personal choice as to whether or not to allow our attention to be diverted.

I ache for the victims of 9/11. I also ache for the victims of Hurricane Katrina, Rita, and all other storms. I ache for all lost souls who are taken from us. I ache because I wish that all that are taken are prepared to go to God. We never know the time or place of our physical deaths. We can prepare by enriching our sprirtual lives.

Triana,
Well put, my sentiments exactly. YP, thank you for sharing your experience with 9/11.

I AM tired of relentless, fear mongering conspiracy theorists. Veronique is right - I don't have to read the posts the conspiracy theorists put out. But if I choose to and decide to comment I can as well.

I guess I choose to disregard the conspiracy theorists for this reason:

1co 13:4 Charity(love) suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1co 13:8 Charity(love) never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

The word charity used in these verses (NKV) is the Greek word Agape, meaning brotherly love, affection, good will, love, benevolence (from Strong's Concordance). So replace the word charity with love as many translations do. I particularly like verse 7:

1co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

If it is true that the government shot down the plane that hit the Pentagon, and that they killed all of those people to stage a fake hit on the building, then the truth will come out and we will all know some day since nothing stays hidden forever. And those who allegedly did it will pay dearly. Like PraisingYeshua, I feel for the families that lost their loved ones in the twin towers or on the planes. It was an awful thing, but I personally do not think that the government had much to do with it. Could it have been prevented? Yeah, I think better Immigration law enforcement would have gone a long way to preventing it. But in the end, I tend to think that it was the handiwork of the terrorists, and in particular OBL.

Just my opinion. You all decide what you believe. Thanks for respecting each others opinions.

Todd

So true!

And also remember that satan has to get permission for every thing he does.
God allows many things to happen for reasons we won't ever grasp in our carnal minds and l think even in the Spirit as long as we are on earth.

So rest and trust in the Lord...

i dont want to be involved in this debate,but i wanted to point out you cant "talk on the cellphones" when flying up in the sky.perhaps you missed this one.or america have some magical phones better then the rest of the world (even when the best cellhpones and infrastructures come from finland and sweden nokia/ericsson).the us is years behind in cellphone technology, i mean YEARS.and now they use there phones 10 000m up the sky? wow.

Hi Sanna,

Thanks for showing up here. Yes, you can talk on your cell phones while on a plane in flight. The people on the plane that slammed into the ground in Pennsylvania did it, and verified by the families who received cell phone calls from them while they were attempting to defeat the terrorists who had taken over the flight. There was the wife of the Solicitor General of the United States who was telling her husband that terrorists had taken over the plane and wanted to know what to do - she was talking to him on a cell phone in flight while it headed towrds the Pentagon. These are facts, Sanna.

A little history about the cell phone technology in the US:
The US is not behind in Cell Phone technology. I am a trained telecommunications expert and I can tell you that is not true at all. The US has different standards for cell phone protocols - i.e., CDMA which dominates the US market versus IS-135 TDMA which AT&T used (obsolete now) and GSM (Cingular)which is a form of what Europe uses called TDMA. In Europe, various governments decided that they (the Europeans) had designed the ultimate digital cellular system, and they passed laws making it illegal to deploy anything except GSM, whose primary supporters/suppliers were Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens and Alcatel.

Meanwhile, the FCC (the US Agency for Communications) decided that it would not mandate any industry standard. It granted licenses for spectrum but permitted the licensee to choose whatever equipment and standard it wanted. (Within limits. There were certain certification standards required by the FCC to guarantee safety and to avoid interference between neighboring systems.)

And all through the 90's, everyone in the US cell phone industry put up with constant ragging from Europeans about the evident virtues of GSM and the equally evident virtues of a government mandated standard. While in the US we had what seemed at the time to be utter chaos, with a huge number of small companies using a bewildering array of different standards, in Europe anyone could carry their phone almost anywhere in the continent, and if they couldn't use it they could move their personality module into a local phone and use that.

In the 1990's, Qualcom invented CDMA. In IS-95 CDMA, a single carrier frequency has a bandwidth of 1.2288 MHz, and up to 40 cell phones in a given sector can all be transmitting chips at that rate on the same carrier frequency, which seemed on first examination to assume that it was possible to send fifty million bits through a one-and-a-quarter MHz band. GSM can't do that at all. In fact, the European manufactures like Ericsson said it was impossible to do what CDMA does today. they even tried to take Qualcom to court several times and lost each and everytime. The Europeans have actually adopted the CDMA protocol that was invented in the US in the 1990s. All of the European Cell Phone manufacturers have licensed the technology. Europe stubbornly holds onto the GSM standard due to politics, while the US Government - which does not own those industries because we operate on free market principles - does not. We leave it to the companies who build the stuff and license the spectrum.

So, I dare say that the US is in the lead of cell phone technology. I have to say that my Treo 650 allows me to surf the web, send/receive email, download music and video, help me keep organized, take pictures, make small movies, and a million other things. The Treo 700, which uses the Windows Mobile Operating System does all of that and more. I can use my phone anywhere in the US, and depending on the company I use (Sprint currently) I can use it in other countries like Mexico for instance. Cingular is compatible with the Euro cell phone systems since they use GSM. I imagine that since CDMA is a superior protocol, the Europeans will use it someday soon as well.

End of cell phone history for now.

Peace to you Sanna. Just please know what you are talking about next time.

Todd

Then i suggest you rip out your cellphone when your flying and see how well it will go.it wont.and i dont understand your "cellphone" hsitory,even the industries admit that the american line is way behind the european/asian.

lets put it like this, americans still use does small ittle things you call and it comes up a phonenumber on..i dont even know what they are CALLED in english,we had them maybe 15 years ago. and SMS is more or less a "new thing" in the united states, whiles we had it for 15 years. so dont bother about that,MY POINT WAS:

try taking out your cellphone and make a call during your flight.i only think this scamm worked because so few americans actually fly and have cellhpones.just do it,rip out a phone and try making a call on your trip between SF and NY.hyst try it.

i even think other peoples that SUSPECTED (americans) something fishy, tried it out,and saw you cant.with FEW exceptions.


p.s: your Treo 650 ? your palm pilot? i dont get this.i think you should take a look at what nokia/ericsson spit out,and then what samsung and other do.compared to any american brand like that razor 3 or what its called, dont even emember the brand, motorola perhaps? anyway, i know your patrioism is controlling you heatr and NO ONE can beat "AMERICA THE GLORY OF THE WORLD",but reality works a different way. im sorry.

i suspect nokia is a common brand (the most common in the world) and ericsson is for the rich ones as their phones are somewhaty more advanced (usually).take a look at movies man, look at MATRIX and the celhpone there,when that movie had premier, hardly anyone had a cellhpone in the states,and in finland/sweden it was commontrait. just try stop this patrioism dillusion ok?

Sanna/Pocket, the LORD loves you. I am still praying for you.

thanx onetiggeroo,but my name is sanna, not pocket.several people have called me pocket, or eric or whatever,perhaps this forum have their special little thing calling people by other names. but its SANNA.

sanna

We know who you are, and your writing style gives you away everytime. May the LORD bless you always.

Sanna,
You want to argue cell phone technology now. WHO CARES? If I am blinded by my patriotism, you are certainly blinded by arrogance. Yes, the people on the planes called their families while the whole thing was going on. That is how their families learned about it first hand. That is a fact and can not be disputed.

I will no longer spend energy on this topic with you.

Look, let's talk about something IMPORTANT. JESUS CHRIST is the LORD, and HE has made the way to eternal life. HE is the SAVIOR, and he wants to save you from your sins so that you are able to spend eternity with HIM. Without accepting HIM, you can not get into Heaven. There is no other way - HE is it!

JESUS is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. HE offers you peace, blessings beyond compare, and the free gift of eternal life. I hope you will take HIM up on HIS offer. You seem to be a person who wants be right - then do the right thing and learn about JESUS CHRIST and the wonderful, free gift of SALVATION that HE provides. Anyone here on this forum will joyfully tell you about him. Send me a PM and I will, too.

If you want to talk about it, please PM me. I will be happy to talk you about JESUS. GOD is calling, Sanna. Please answer!

Peace

Todd

I am not a conspiracy theorist, if you read my original post I stated that I COME ACROSS this theory of someone elses and posted it for discussion. Dont shoot the messenger or assume the messenger is in total agreement with it please.

Not shooting the messenger, T. I did read the original post and responded to it right away. I am only stating my opinion - conspiracy theory stinks, and I think it is a device of satan to confuse people and take their eyes off of JESUS by getting people mad about the things around them that they seem unable to control.

Since I seem to have offended you, I ask for your forgiveness. Sorry!

Peace to you!

I also want to add that I was not intending to shot the messanger, and if it came across that way, I am very sorry, and humbly apologize. I was just making a point against conspiracies theories as a whole, and how hurtful and dismissing they tend to be. Tzeitel, I truly do apologize if you felt I was directing anything towards you.

Loose Change its a movie 1:21:00 long. It will give some answers to the 9-11 debate. You can buy it from the site" loosechange.com or watch it for free on google videos. It will make ya wonder. If the war on terror is as real a threat as you are told. Just caus the government says there was a flight 77 that hit the building doesn't mean it did, or there were people on it.

Not all conspiracies are wrong. I am not a defender of anyone on the matter, but I will state the obvious. Just because something is told first don't mean its right. People will find the truth to some matters and present them, but be shoned as conspiracy theory. not everything you read or hear from fox news or cnn or abc or cbs is what really happened. So don't be so quick to jump people because they dont agree with what they're told by the media or government. They might just know something that you don't. Told in love, not aimed at anyone just used this post to reply on the matter on which it was conversing.

Sorry too if I came across a bit strong, love you all lots!

I meant to post this as well, Charlie Sheens radio interview:

Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story

Sheen calls for truly independent investigation, joins growing ranks of prominent credible whistleblowers

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 20 2006

Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it.

Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovernRay McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more.

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show on the GCN Radio Network, the star of current hit comedy show Two and a Half Men and dozens of movies including Platoon and Young Guns, Sheen elaborated on why he had problems believing the government's version of events.

Sheen agreed that the biggest conspiracy theory was put out by the government itself and prefaced his argument by quoting Theodore Roosevelt in stating, "That we are to stand by the President right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

"We're not the conspiracy theorists on this particular issue," said Sheen.

"It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions."

Sheen described the climate of acceptance for serious discussion about 9/11 as being far more fertile than it was a couple of years ago.

"It feels like from the people I talk to in and around my circles, it seems like the worm is turning."

Suspicious collapse of buildings

Sheen described his immediate skepticism regarding the official reason for the collapse of the twin towers and building 7 on the day of 9/11.

"I was up early and we were gonna do a pre-shoot on Spin City, the show I used to do, I was watching the news and the north tower was burning. I saw the south tower hit live, that famous wide shot where it disappears behind the building and then we see the tremendous fireball."

"There was a feeling, it just didn't look any commercial jetliner I've flown on any time in my life and then when the buildings came down later on that day I said to my brother 'call me insane, but did it sorta look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition'?"

Sheen said that most people's gut instinct, that the buildings had been deliberately imploded, was washed away by the incessant flood of the official version of events from day one.

Sheen questioned the plausibility of a fireballs traveling 110 feet down an elevator shaft and causing damage to the lobbies of the towers as seen in video footage, especially when contrasted with eyewitness accounts of bombs and explosions in the basement levels of the buildings.

Regarding building 7, which wasn't hit by a plane, Sheen highlighted the use of the term "pull," a demolition industry term for pulling the outer walls of the building towards the center in an implosion, as was used by Larry Silverstein in a September 2002 PBS documentary when he said that the decision to "pull" building 7 was made before its collapse. This technique ensures the building collapses in its own footprint and can clearly be seen during the collapse of building 7 with the classic 'crimp' being visible.

The highly suspicious collapse of building 7 and the twin towers has previously been put under the spotlight by physics Professor Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the World Trade Center towers.

"The term 'pull' is as common to the demolition world as 'action' and 'cut' are to the movie world," said Sheen.

Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses to demolition style implosions and bombs.

"This is not you or I watching the videos and speculating on what we saw, these are gentlemen inside the buildings at the very point of collapse."

"If there's a problem with building 7 then there's a problem with the whole thing," said Sheen.

Bush's behavior on 9/11

Sheen then questioned President Bush's actions on 9/11 and his location at the Booker Elementary School in Florida. Once Andy Card had whispered to Bush that America was under attack why didn't the secret service immediately whisk Bush away to a secret location?

By remaining at a location where it was publicly known the President would be before 9/11, he was not only putting his own life in danger, but the lives of hundreds of schoolchildren. That is unless the government knew for sure what the targets were beforehand and that President Bush wasn't one of them.

"It seems to me that upon the revelation of that news that the secret service would grab the President as if he was on fire and remove him from that room," said Sheen.

The question of how Bush saw the first plane hit the north tower, when no live footage of that incident was carried, an assertion that Bush repeated twice, was also put under the spotlight.

"I guess one of the perks of being President is that you get access to TV channels that don't exist in the known universe," said Sheen.

"It might lead you to believe that he'd seen similar images in some type of rehearsal as it were, I don't know."

The Pentagon incident

Sheen outlined his disbelief that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon matched the physical evidence.

"Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters."

We have not been able to confirm that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon because the government has seized and refused to release any footage that would show the impact.

"I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it's really suspicious," said Sheen.

Sheen also questioned how the plane basically disappeared into the Pentagon with next to no wreckage and no indication of what happened to the wing sections.

Concerning how the Bush administration had finalized Afghanistan war plans two days before 9/11 with the massing of 44,000 US troops and 18,000 British troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and in addition the call for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor," as outlined in the PNAC documents, Sheen stated, "you don't really put those strategies together overnight do you for a major invasion? Those are really well calculated and really well planned."

"Coincidence? We think not," said Sheen and he called the PNAC quotes "emblematic of the arrogance of this administration."

A real investigation

Sheen joined others in calling for a revised and truly independent investigation of 9/11.

Sheen said that "September 11 wasn't the Zapruder film, it was the Zapruder film festival," and that the inquiry had to be, "headed, if this is possible, by some neutral investigative committee. What if we used retired political foreign nationals? What if we used experts that don't have any ties whatsoever to this administration?"

"It is up to us to reveal the truth. It is up to us because we owe it to the families, we owe it to the victims. We owe it to everybody's life who was drastically altered, horrifically that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened."

Charlie Sheen joins the rest of his great family and notably his father Martin Sheen, who has (been) lambasted for opposing the Iraq war before it had begun yet has now been proven right in triplicate, in using his prominent public platform to stand for truth and justice and we applaud and salute his brave efforts, remembering Mark Twain's quote.

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

[/QUOTE] Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11[QUOTE]

Charlie Sheen credible?

Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11

.....Well, judging by some of the movies he's made I think not!!!

I am so sorry for you PY, and what u r going through.
I understand and will never forget ,,,you said it ......the MURDERS
I live just minutes from OKC, OKLAHOMA, Not only where the biggest F-5tornado and longest on the ground hit, in history, then dealt with Federal Murrah Bldg blow up, whom my brother in law was called away from his office there, which was a God send for his family, but the families that died, God knew this was their day (not sounding callous at all, nor insensitive), then we have the twin towers

I think half this country (just my opinion) is still suffering from a sense of post traumatic stress.

During football season just after the twin towers, I was living in the air space path of Tinker air force base, here. I had a football game on and the net work played this ungodly noise then made the screen look like the screen broke like glass would shatter then the sound of the glass shatter sounded at the end of their "stint", this simultaneously happend, when a huge air force place flying low and very loud flew over my house, my BODY reacted by 'ducking', then my heart was beating a million miles an hour....

Our whole country was effected emotionally......I am not trying to compete with ppl in other states, but I thinkI can speak for anyone living in Oklahoma, thru
all of the above.....we've been recoverying too, so I feel for you and I was NOT in NYC when it happend.

Thank you for your statement regarding those that look upon some of us that don't necessarily believe all the theories, but we do check them out......that's really all we are doing......

GOD BLESS in Jesus PRaising Yeshua!

Yes you can use cell phones......if you can get away with it, and if the plane was allreadly going down...ppl were i am sure calling.

You aare not supposed to use them cause they interfere with flight computers.

CORRECT, and AMEN..........i would only add, that still small voice that says "WATCH THEREFORE"