Tzeitel
May 20 2006, 03:59 AM
Found this article by accident and thought I would post it to gather some views on the matter.
By analyzing genetic changes in the Y-chromosome of people in all regions of the world, it has been concluded that all humans alive today are descended from a single African man.
For many of us, the word "genetics" conjures vague thoughts of disease, the human genome, and genetic engineering.
Spencer Wells thought "genetics" and forged a unique career that combines his love for history with his passion for biology. A geneticist, adventurer, author, filmmaker, and historian—the man adds new dimension to the term multi-tasking—he is using the cutting-edge of technology to explore human history.
He has traveled the world, collecting blood samples from people of far-flung cultures: Aborigines in Australia, the Chukchi tundra dwellers of Siberia, farmers in the hills of Afghanistan, and nomads in the deserts of Africa. By studying the DNA of modern humans, he seeks to learn who we are, where we traveled to populate the world, and how closely we are all related.
"Each drop of blood is essentially a historical document," Wells said. "Our DNA tells the story of the journey of our species."
New DNA studies suggest that all humans descended from a single African ancestor who lived some 60,000 years ago. To uncover the paths that lead from him to every living human, the National Geographic Society launched the Genographic Project, headed by Spencer Wells. The quest for "Adam" is the subject of a new television documentary that airs on the National Geographic Channel in the U.S. this Sunday.
The project is a five-year endeavor undertaken as a partnership between IBM and National Geographic. It will combine population genetics and molecular biology to trace the migration of humans from the time we first left Africa, 50,000 to 60,000 years ago, to the places where we live today.
Ten research centers around the world have received funding from the Waitt Family Foundation to collect and analyze blood samples from indigenous populations (such as aboriginal groups), many in remote areas. The Genographic Project hopes to collect more than a hundred thousand DNA samples to create the largest gene bank in the world. Members of the public are also being invited to participate.
"Our DNA tells a fascinating story of the human journey: how we are all related and how our ancestors got to where we are today," Wells said. "This project will show us some of the routes early humans followed to populate the globe and paint a picture of the genetic tapestry that connects us all."
Tracing Human History
"As often happens in science," said Wells, "technology has opened up a field to new ways of answering old questions—often providing startling answers."
One of the old questions that intrigued Wells was the question of human origins. Whether early humans evolved in Africa or elsewhere, when they began outward migration, and where they went, are issues that have been argued among archaeologists, anthropologists, and evolutionary biologists for decades.
"We're all effectively cousins, separated by 2,000 generations," he said.
In his book, The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey, Wells describes the exodus from Africa that began around 60,000 years ago, and the path we took to populate the world.
Following the southern coastline of Asia, the first early travelers crossed about 250 kilometers [155 miles] of sea, and colonized Australia by around 50,000 years ago. The Aborigines of Australia, Wells says, are the descendants of the first wave of migration out of Africa.
A second wave left Africa around 45,000 years ago and settled in the Middle East, with smaller groups going off to India, northern China, and southern China. As the glaciers of the Ice Age began to retreat around 40,000 years ago and temperatures warmed up, humans moved into Central Asia and multiplied quickly.
Small groups left Central Asia around 35,000 years ago for Europe. Around 20,000 years ago, another small group of Central Asians moved farther north, into Siberia and the Arctic Circle.
He and his colleagues' paper, published in the September 2003 issue of the American Journal of Human Genetics, added evidence to the debate on the peopling of the Americas. The earliest archaeological evidence of human habitation in North America dates to 11,500 radiocarbon years old. Artifacts at a site in Monte Verde, Chile, are in the 12,500-year-old range. However, there are scientists who believe there is some linguistic and archaeological evidence suggesting the possibility that people may have arrived as much as 30,000 years ago.
Mutations in the Y-chromosome of populations in North and South America put an upper limit on human arrival at somewhere between 18,000 to 15,000 years ago. "I would put the number at closer to 15,000," said Wells.
On TV: Don't miss Search for Adam, premiering on the National Geographic Channel (U.S.), Sunday, June 26, 8 p.m. ET/PT.
Somebody should tell them there timing is out by about 53000 years.

and they found human footprints next to Dino prints that would make the Dinos alive after Adam....or would science rather believe that humans walked with the Dino, millions of years ago...no they do not want to believe that as well, it makes them uncomfortable not to have things fit into how they see things . So they rather say the footprints are carvings...yes now the are cool again

Science is happy again, because they "know" so much.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth....on the sixth day He created Adam.
leia
May 21 2006, 02:37 PM
Yeah, their timing is off, but once again science proves the Bible. You think they would just read the book and skip to the chase....
Alot of stuff is crammed into that one gene, isn't it? I mean, they have learned they can't recreate plant species to any fine tuned degree because one gene doesn't just do one thing (which they previously thought) but rather often takes on doube or triple or multiple duties. ALOT of stuff is crammed into that Adam gene, I assure you. We are condemmed becasue we all carry it and only escape condemnation because we have the Lord Jesus.
I learned alot about what I carry inside by watching my hen. She just emerged out of no where with 9 chicks...just hatched. I mean just out of the egg. My husband came out to see them and the hen is not familiar with him so she let out a menacing "braaaaak" and all the scattered biddies immediately squatted down in the grass and froze. Moments later, she clucked and they arose and came to her. That was not taught, it was instinct given to them by genitic information.
All that genetic information we have been handed down must be reaaly cruddy to have to have our Lord be our Savior.
leia
Tzeitel
May 21 2006, 03:35 PM
Well Our Lord did fashion us out of mud....
Dani
May 21 2006, 04:26 PM
Perhaps they just made a really big typo... put an extra 0 on the end of all the numbers... take that 0 away and the article becomes interesting.
gregg
May 21 2006, 04:32 PM
There are 2 Gods of creation. The God of the knowledge of good and evil and the God of life. We know that Jesus Christ became the life of man. And we blame Satan, the serpent, for the knowledge of good and evil. If it had not have been for the serpent we may not have had the knowledge of good and evil, but it was the fruit of the tree that gave us the knowledge of good and evil. Let's see, 23 pair of chromosomes on the DNA. Does that mean that the God DNA is 1 pair or 24?
leia
May 21 2006, 05:47 PM
QUOTE(gregg @ May 21 2006, 04:32 PM)
There are 2 Gods of creation. The God of the knowledge of good and evil and the God of life. We know that Jesus Christ became the life of man. And we blame Satan, the serpent, for the knowledge of good and evil. If it had not have been for the serpent we may not have had the knowledge of good and evil, but it was the fruit of the tree that gave us the knowledge of good and evil. Let's see, 23 pair of chromosomes on the DNA. Does that mean that the God DNA is 1 pair or 24?
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gregg, I beg your indulgence, but I do not agree. God gave us the garden and the tree that we were not to eat from. He made the first "house rules" in family lingo. It was, then, our God who gave us the knowledge of good and evil. Good is doing what He tells us to do and evil is disobeying. And we knew what we were doing when we did it...we knew we were being evil, even if we did not yet have a word to call it. Satan is a creation and can not create. He misdirects and confuses, but he can not create anything from nothing, not even a type of thought or pattern of thought. Thought is invisable, but it is something.
It is difficult for me to glorify anything that vile creature is or does and he will get no credit ffrom me. No, he gets no credit for the existance of evil from me, only that he is very good at getting people to do evil.
When heaven is offered to us, I want to feel the pain of seperation from whatever chromosone it is...I want to know that wherever that vile thing is in me that he feels the pain of seperation forevernmore. That is the part I believe we inherited from Adam that would part us from our God and that is the part I would burn out.
leia
leia
gregg
May 21 2006, 09:13 PM
QUOTE(leia @ May 21 2006, 04:47 PM)
QUOTE(gregg @ May 21 2006, 04:32 PM)
There are 2 Gods of creation. The God of the knowledge of good and evil and the God of life. We know that Jesus Christ became the life of man. And we blame Satan, the serpent, for the knowledge of good and evil. If it had not have been for the serpent we may not have had the knowledge of good and evil, but it was the fruit of the tree that gave us the knowledge of good and evil. Let's see, 23 pair of chromosomes on the DNA. Does that mean that the God DNA is 1 pair or 24?
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gregg, I beg your indulgence, but I do not agree. God gave us the garden and the tree that we were not to eat from. He made the first "house rules" in family lingo. It was, then, our God who gave us the knowledge of good and evil. Good is doing what He tells us to do and evil is disobeying. And we knew what we were doing when we did it...we knew we were being evil, even if we did not yet have a word to call it. Satan is a creation and can not create. He misdirects and confuses, but he can not create anything from nothing, not even a type of thought or pattern of thought. Thought is invisable, but it is something.
It is difficult for me to glorify anything that vile creature is or does and he will get no credit ffrom me. No, he gets no credit for the existance of evil from me, only that he is very good at getting people to do evil.
When heaven is offered to us, I want to feel the pain of seperation from whatever chromosone it is...I want to know that wherever that vile thing is in me that he feels the pain of seperation forevernmore. That is the part I believe we inherited from Adam that would part us from our God and that is the part I would burn out.
leia
leia
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We, from Adam, inherited flesh and blood. From the one named Eve, by Adam, we inherited disobedience. The one you call Satan was Lucifer, the bright morning star. The God in charge of the knowledge of good and evil was right there beside the God of Life. You know the discussion they had when it was found that Adam was told he had no body, 'Behold, the man has become as one of us to know good and evil. . . ' Yes, it may have been the wrong choice, but now there is the tree of Life, Jesus Christ. See, Jesus Christ was not flesh and blood; he chose flesh and blood because of the children. And the children grow and become adults, but the choice was made to become flesh and blood first and then they will be offered life. The cycle started by our first parent is going to be the cycle and I wish that there was some way to change it. If Adam's helper had chosen the tree of life first, there would not be the same DNA, I don't think. But, maybe the choice was supposed to be like this to destroy that old serpent, the deceiver. All throughout the history of mankind, we have been going from the knowledge of good and evil. And we have been kept from the tree of life by a 'flaming sword.' In the Old Testament, there is a story of three men in a fire and one who was like the son of man. We know persecution, hatred, lust, is fire, but we also know the son of man, that one called Jesus of Nazareth.
gr82bsaved
May 21 2006, 11:25 PM
QUOTE(gregg @ May 21 2006, 09:13 PM)
QUOTE(leia @ May 21 2006, 04:47 PM)
QUOTE(gregg @ May 21 2006, 04:32 PM)
There are 2 Gods of creation. The God of the knowledge of good and evil and the God of life. We know that Jesus Christ became the life of man. And we blame Satan, the serpent, for the knowledge of good and evil. If it had not have been for the serpent we may not have had the knowledge of good and evil, but it was the fruit of the tree that gave us the knowledge of good and evil. Let's see, 23 pair of chromosomes on the DNA. Does that mean that the God DNA is 1 pair or 24?
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gregg, I beg your indulgence, but I do not agree. God gave us the garden and the tree that we were not to eat from. He made the first "house rules" in family lingo. It was, then, our God who gave us the knowledge of good and evil. Good is doing what He tells us to do and evil is disobeying. And we knew what we were doing when we did it...we knew we were being evil, even if we did not yet have a word to call it. Satan is a creation and can not create. He misdirects and confuses, but he can not create anything from nothing, not even a type of thought or pattern of thought. Thought is invisable, but it is something.
It is difficult for me to glorify anything that vile creature is or does and he will get no credit ffrom me. No, he gets no credit for the existance of evil from me, only that he is very good at getting people to do evil.
When heaven is offered to us, I want to feel the pain of seperation from whatever chromosone it is...I want to know that wherever that vile thing is in me that he feels the pain of seperation forevernmore. That is the part I believe we inherited from Adam that would part us from our God and that is the part I would burn out.
leia
leia
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We, from Adam, inherited flesh and blood. From the one named Eve, by Adam, we inherited disobedience. The one you call Satan was Lucifer, the bright morning star. The God in charge of the knowledge of good and evil was right there beside the God of Life. You know the discussion they had when it was found that Adam was told he had no body, 'Behold, the man has become as one of us to know good and evil. . . ' Yes, it may have been the wrong choice, but now there is the tree of Life, Jesus Christ. See, Jesus Christ was not flesh and blood; he chose flesh and blood because of the children. And the children grow and become adults, but the choice was made to become flesh and blood first and then they will be offered life. The cycle started by our first parent is going to be the cycle and I wish that there was some way to change it. If Adam's helper had chosen the tree of life first, there would not be the same DNA, I don't think. But, maybe the choice was supposed to be like this to destroy that old serpent, the deceiver. All throughout the history of mankind, we have been going from the knowledge of good and evil. And we have been kept from the tree of life by a 'flaming sword.' In the Old Testament, there is a story of three men in a fire and one who was like the son of man. We know persecution, hatred, lust, is fire, but we also know the son of man, that one called Jesus of Nazareth.

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Gregg,
Please explain where you came up with all of this. Is there a book or website or revelation that you can give that backs up what you have posted? I cleared this post to challenge you to explain your views.
I look forward to your use of scripture to backup what you are saying. I am expecially interested in your use of the 'God of knowledge of good and evil' and the 'God of life' concepts. Thanks
Todd