I just saw this on the News.

California is having an election for a new Bishop in the Episcopal church , out of the 7 candidates 3 are gay and one is a lesbian.

We need to pray that God will place it on the people's hearts to elect the godly person to lead the Church in that area.

whats wrong for being gay and a lesbian? at least they dont do something ungodly

Are you for real?



Rather than write a new post, I figured I'd just edit this in. Some things can't be misinterpreted, although in this day and age, people sure give it their best shot.

In Romans 1:26-27 “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”


We hate the sin itself, not the sinner that can indeed change and repent, but the act/sin itself is vile in the face of The Living God.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Bogoy, I hope you are being facetious. Thanks Jeep

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I hope they are being facetious too!

Jeep

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


I think this speaks volumes to those who are candidates for bishop and choose homosexuality. They know the judgment of God.


2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb --- speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

My prayer is that they repent and change their ways, for God is just and will not be mocked. Hmmmmm once saved always saved.....here we go again!

First I would like to ask you if you are a born again believer of Jesus Christ?

Second, I would like to ask you if you have read the bible, the WHOLE Bible? Because this would give you a better understanding of why being a person who wants to be with the same sex is a sin. When you read the bible, it states from beginning to end, how God feels about this. It doesn't matter how I feel about it, it matters how God feels about it.

Jesus believed in the scriptures, everything he said and did forfilled them. He believed them to be the truth.

Yes, Jesus came to wash away our sins, but he also said, (after he forgave them), Sin no more.

To be honest, if they were electing a known murder or a thief or an adultor or a witch, I would not want anyone to elect that person as their bishop either. God clearly says this is wrong and a terrible sin. The word says we are to hate sin, as God hates sin. I don't hate the people, but I hate what they are doing, and I hate the fact that they are leading others into their sin. When we are born again we are told to turn away from our sin that Jesus just washed us from, is it easy, no, but we must try, and we must stop. Or else Christ died on the cross for no reason. Paul says that we have nailed Christ to the cross when we continue to live in that sin.

I don't understand how someone who is a born again Christian and has read and hopefully reread, the bible from beginning to end, can say that living a homosexual lifestyle is ok? Don't they fear God? God clearly says what happens to those who continue to live this way, and what will happen to the nation that allows it to happen? God curses those nations, he says the land curses those nations. If you don't think this is true then go to the library and look it up in the history books.

Please don't take my word on any of this, please read the bible and see for yourself. Here's a few scriptures that I have been reading after seeing your response. I also threw in a few of what is required to be a bishop for the Church.
These are but a few, because there are hundreds of scriptures that speak about these things. The fact is God is Holy, God is pure. Sin is not. and when we continue to live in sin, we have no holiness or purity in us. Repentance from sin means to stop, it means to turn away from it. We as Christians must continue to do this, especially those that God has clearly warned us about. Is this easy, no. Is it possible, even when our flesh desires or feels the need for doing that sin, yes. The Lord has helped me personally with some sins that I never thought I'd be free of, and I thank the Lord for His mercy and Grace and help. I know that if there are those sins that are so hard for me to let go of He is working in me to set me free of them. Because He wants me free. As He wants to help those who are in bondage to their sexual sins as well.

1 Cor.5:1-13(Wickedness in the Church) (11)
11) I am writing to you to tell you that you must not associate with those who call themselves believers in Christ but who sin sexually, or are greedy, or worship idols, or abuse others with words, or get drunk, or cheat people. Do not even eat with people like that.

1 Cor.6:9-20(Judging problems among Christians)
Gal.5:16-26(The Spirit and Human nature)
Lev.18:1-30 (Rules about sexual relations), (18:22, 24)
Titus2:11-15 (Following the true teaching)
1Timothy 1:8-11, ((Warning against false teaching) (1 Tim.1:10)
1Timothy 3:1-7 (Bishops/Elders in the Church)
1 Titus 1:6-9, (Elders)
1 Peter 4:1-6 (Change your lives)
1 John 2:1-6, (Jesus is our helper)
1 John 3:1-10 (We are God's Children) (1 John 3:4-6)
Jude 3-16, (God will punish sinners), (4,7)

I hope this helps for you to understand that my love of God is far greater than my love of what the world says is right. He has opened my eyes and my heart to see the truth. I am not the same now. My prayers are for those who are still in bondage, not to be condemmed but to be set free and to live the joyful life that Christ offers. My other prayer is for The Church, that God will raise up those who love God and are willing to die to self and obey what God has said is the truth. I also pray that God would cleanse the church of the wolves, the false teachers and false priests who are leading people into sin.

Thank you for responding, I hope I answered your question. Please take the time to look up these scriptures, I hope you will see what God says about all this.
The Lord Jesus be with you.
Sandra

i see a positive ex-sept-tion thay are virgin to the op-po-sit-sex

also paul has the gift of selabassy

Believe me-being celebat is a gift, it's a whole lot less troublesome, a much more peaceful too.

no , no , no you all misunderstood what i mean about being gay and lesbian there is nothing wrong about that but doing something like sleeping with the same sex now thats wrong what i mean about being gay is that a man that is girly ang a woman that is manly thats it

I totally agree! Ive been celibate by choice to be obediant to God for 4 years now and couldnt be more happier!

As someone whom God has graciously led out of a gay lifestyle, I am sad at the church allowing practising homosexuals to lead congregations. One does not choose to be gay, I wish I could have taken a straight pill, got married, had kids etc, it would have been a much easier life but it just doesnt work that way I'm afraid.

Having homosexual relations is a sin and grieves God as well as other sins too, it is no greater sin than any other but to blatantly throw it and flaunt in Our Lords face hurts me because I know it hurts my Saviour.

God rules and reigns and is in charge AMEN!!!

MY TESTIMONY: part one -http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=2589
part two - http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=2618

If we misunderstood you please forgive us, I think I'm having a difficult time understanding you.

God bless
Sandra

God bless you Tzeitel! I know it hasn't been easy! Thank you for sharing this. It has taken a great deal of courage and love of God to make these changes and also to share them. My heart goes out to you my friend! I can only imagine the pressure from others to be able to keep your celebacy. For I too have witnessed this in my own life.

But I can say also from personal experience God can take away those desires and place in our hearts His desires. I have been celebit since the early 90's, While I am not a homosexual, but a divoree that is straight. The Lord truely took the need away in the late 90's after my divorse. And I am so greatful for it.

As the Lord revealed to the Apostle Paul that sometimes it is best spiritually to be celebit, when it is for the Lord. For some it is too hard and it is not ment for everyone, in that case the Lord will bring someone into their life to marry. The Lord does not want us to be committing sin and your right, it does grieve God's heart to see what is happening in the church. How these people who are Pastor's or Priests who are doing this great sin can't see this, I don't understand. How can one read the Word week in and week out not understand and feel the Holy Spirit's grief?

I know this is a very personal thing to share, but I think we need to so as to disspell the lie of the enemy, that we must be sexually active. In stead we must believe the word of God and live the life that God has set us apart to live. God can make it easier, if we are willing to surrender our life and yes, our bodies and all it's needs to him. We are called to die to self and allow God to live in us. It's the surrendering sometimes that seems the hardest for most and trusting that God will bring about the change that is needed, especially when it seems so beyond our capability. Especially when it seems like a physical need, and a emotionally need.

May the Lord continue to bless you and give you strength!
Sandra

Dearest Sandra,

Your words really touched my heart, thank you so much for sharing them. May God continue blessing you dear sister.

Sarah

it ok i also misunderstood in your place what gay and lesbian means, in our place when we say gay or lesbian it just means your gay or lesbian the thought of that nasty act is not present when we say your gay or lesbian so also sorry for not clearly understanding

and oh yeah sometimes manly priest would become gay and then rapes an altar boy, my mom told one incident that happened years ago it was in the news and the priest was sued and thats all i know

god bless also
bogoy

I think Bogoy is just trying to say that where he comes from, he perceived the words to mean a more feminine looking man or a more masculine looking girl. Not all are gay in the sense that we in the west understand it.
I hope I am right Bogoy in my explanation
C

Thank you so much for helping us to understand better! Thank you for your patience with those of us who didn't understand. We forget sometimes that this forum speaks to many nations and also we don't realize or remember that many Christians of all ages may be reading and responding to what we are saying. Sometimes we, and I, need to speak more clearly and be more exact in what we are trying to say.

Yes, we have had that problem with the priest here too. And finally the people are not putting up with this anymore. But more still needs to be done. The people who believe in Jesus Christ must continue to say no to these terrible sins, and not allow in in.

God Bless You Bogoy!
Sandra