Thoughts on Immigration from a Teacher's Husband
Passing on as received.
Subject: Something You Won't Read About In the Papers During the Immigration Debate
As you all listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration there are some things that you should be aware of. My wife is in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socio-economic and income levels.
Most of the schools you are hearing about South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting are also Title 1 schools. My wife tells me that 100% of the students in her school and other Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast, free lunch program.
When I say free breakfast I' m not talking a glass of milk and roll... but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. She estimates that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones.
The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
She was ordered to spend $700,000 on her department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; her budget was already substantial. She ended up buying new computers for their computer learning center. Half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.
She has had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"--whores--and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.
Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc.. etc.. etc.. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
To my bleeding-heart liberal friends who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs. Higher i nsurance, Medical facilities closing, higher medical , more crime , lower standards of education in our schools , overcrowding, new diseases etc.. etc.. etc..
For me--- I'll pay more for tomatoes.
We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will leave and return voluntarily?
There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way. It does, however, have everything to do with culture. A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate... and an American culture that has become so weak and politically correct that we don't have the will to do anything about it.
If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.
Sure thought provoking.
Misty M. Dewey
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Agree completely.
I grew up in LA, being 32 now, there didn't seem to be as much of a problem in the late 70's, 80's with illegal immigration. Although it was there, it just didn't seem to be a huge issue.
No political issue such as this, will you hear EVERY SINGLE SIDE of the story. It's just how it is unfortunately.
I just posted a similar sentiment recently on the forum.
Here's the link.
Immigration and the Insanity Argument!
I grew up in LA, being 32 now, there didn't seem to be as much of a problem in the late 70's, 80's with illegal immigration. Although it was there, it just didn't seem to be a huge issue.
No political issue such as this, will you hear EVERY SINGLE SIDE of the story. It's just how it is unfortunately.
I just posted a similar sentiment recently on the forum.
Here's the link.
Immigration and the Insanity Argument!
That was some great information, thanks for posting that....
I think that the leaders of this country needs to start looking more to it's citizen's then the citizen's of some other country. Yes, this country was built on the backs of immigrants, but these immigrants broke their backs to build it and went through proper channels to be here plus they didn't seek out free this and free that.
I wonder what Mr.V. Fox would do if the USA would send him a 7 trillion dollar bill for reimbursement for taking care of his people's needs.
This issue does make my blood boil, because the USA just sat on it's hands and did nothing about it.
I think that the leaders of this country needs to start looking more to it's citizen's then the citizen's of some other country. Yes, this country was built on the backs of immigrants, but these immigrants broke their backs to build it and went through proper channels to be here plus they didn't seek out free this and free that.
I wonder what Mr.V. Fox would do if the USA would send him a 7 trillion dollar bill for reimbursement for taking care of his people's needs.
This issue does make my blood boil, because the USA just sat on it's hands and did nothing about it.
Wow...the anger and hatred is shining through you.
Have you considered that there are just as many kids that are "home grown" Americans/Canadians who do exactly the same thing? Who are single parents very young, who are "obese", and mark up graffitti, and call their teachers names and waste food? Wake up and look outside your own socio-economic area - there a LOT in our own Country!! For you to stigmatize an entire group based on race, and the actions of a few is really not very Christian or very nice!
I am quite certain there are plenty of students who are truly interested in learning and appreciate good meals every day. That is not a luxury a lot can afford! My impression is that you are angry about the fact that they are not "appreciative" enough for their freebies - I don't believe there is anything in the policies that say they have to fall over thanking you, or anyone else.
Have you considered that there are just as many kids that are "home grown" Americans/Canadians who do exactly the same thing? Who are single parents very young, who are "obese", and mark up graffitti, and call their teachers names and waste food? Wake up and look outside your own socio-economic area - there a LOT in our own Country!! For you to stigmatize an entire group based on race, and the actions of a few is really not very Christian or very nice!
I am quite certain there are plenty of students who are truly interested in learning and appreciate good meals every day. That is not a luxury a lot can afford! My impression is that you are angry about the fact that they are not "appreciative" enough for their freebies - I don't believe there is anything in the policies that say they have to fall over thanking you, or anyone else.
This really one of those hot topics that there isn't a quick fix.
In the late 80's I worked in Southern California as a Immigration Specialist/International Advisor. All my work centered around international students that are here legally. Most of my experiences were very possitive and I loved my job. I loved working with students. I learned a great deal about other cultures and I was able to better understand why certain people from a particular cultures and countries act the way they do. Because there were things I didn't like about some of their attitudes and the way they treated me. Most were very respectful and sweet people, but there were a few who weren't. I had to learn why. At first, like most people I took it personally. Then I began to notice that it wasn't just me, sometimes it was because I was a woman. So I took the time to get to really know them and understand them better. This helped a lot on both sides. My attitude with most of the students was that I really admired how much courage it took for these kids to leave everything they are familar with, have to learn a foreign language and try to understand and succeed in such a foreign environment. Those that did the best were the ones who really wanted to intergrate into the system. Those that tried to just stay with people from their own country didn't do as well. Now granted these kids where much better off financially compared to those who are trying to enter illegally. But there where a few occassions that I had to deal with a student who was here illegally. Because my background and education was pre-law, I have very little tolerance for those who can't obey the law. When it came to those who were here illegally, I was very tough. Most of the time I advised them to seek the proper channels, or leave the country. If they continued then I turned them in to the Immigration authorities. I was not one to look the other way. I also encouraged the legal students that when it was time for them to graduate that they would return to their native country, because I felt that so many of those countries need educated people who can bring about better change in their country. But sadly, many of these countries have sever economical and governmental problems, this is why so many want to stay. For those that chose to stay, I alway advised them to do it the legal way.
My feeling is, If I have to obey the laws of this land, and if I don't, then I have to pay the consequences. I have a healthy fear of the law, I don't like to have to worry about fines or jail.
But what I am seeing overall in this country, and not just in the dealings with illegal immigration, is this thing about people just don't want to hear the word "NO". If we continue to look the other way the majority of the time and we don't take a stand then more will continue to break the law.
If our immigration laws are unfair or the system is to slow then yes, changes need to be made. I have seen first hand that the system is way over work and there is not enough help. More people need to be hired to deal with the massive amounts of people and paperwork that is required. But, for those who are here illegally, there should not be any help, no freebies. I know this sounds harsh, but it is the only way to encourage them to obey the laws and to enter the right way. We are not the only country in the world that requires people to enter their country legally. And they too have consequences for breaking their laws.
The other responsibility is those that are hiring illegal aliens. These employers need to be held accountable as well. They are required by law to look at a person's ID, (I-9 form) but sometimes those ID's or work permits are forged and those employers don't have the training to find out if they are fake.
None of this is a easy fix, but there are some things that must be dealt with or else this situation will get worse. The Lord does say, many times in the bible that we are to treat foreigners fairly and with compassion. So our laws must be fair and just. The word is also very clear about sin, and that is to not tolerate it, or it will grow. The moment you look away and pretend it doesn't exist, then it will get worse. Lying is a sin.
I think, instead of being angry and feel threated by the wrong things that are going on, and participate in a negitive way, we need to pray. Pray that our nation's leaders, those who write the laws, will have the wisdom to look at this whole situation and do what is just and right. We need to pray that God will lay upon their hearts what He wants them to be doing so that we can work out this difficult situation to the best way possible. We need to pray that those in leadership positions will see if changes can be made to improve the system and to increase the manpower to help with the great demand that they have been trying to deal with so long. Prayer works wonders! God is all powerful and He has helped to create this nation, a nation built on legalized immigrants, and yes, while we don't like to admit it, illegal immigrants. I also think we need to pray for the leaders of this illegal immigrant issue, that they will work with our leaders and do what is legally right. We need to pray for peace and wisdom for all those involved. We need to pray for the youth, not just those that are here illegally, but the problems with disrepect and major problems is going on in most schools of this nation. Those dealing with areas a high proverty problems are having it the hardest. Most major cities are having major problems with the youth. Just look at the news, once again, kids are thinking about blowing up schools and wanting to kill other kids. We need to pray for all of this, and we need to stick to our guns, (figuritively speaking). We all need to look at ourselves and see what little laws we are breaking or those little white lies we are doing. And we need to stop it. For how can be ask others to take the stick out of their eye when we have a log in our own eye.
In the late 80's I worked in Southern California as a Immigration Specialist/International Advisor. All my work centered around international students that are here legally. Most of my experiences were very possitive and I loved my job. I loved working with students. I learned a great deal about other cultures and I was able to better understand why certain people from a particular cultures and countries act the way they do. Because there were things I didn't like about some of their attitudes and the way they treated me. Most were very respectful and sweet people, but there were a few who weren't. I had to learn why. At first, like most people I took it personally. Then I began to notice that it wasn't just me, sometimes it was because I was a woman. So I took the time to get to really know them and understand them better. This helped a lot on both sides. My attitude with most of the students was that I really admired how much courage it took for these kids to leave everything they are familar with, have to learn a foreign language and try to understand and succeed in such a foreign environment. Those that did the best were the ones who really wanted to intergrate into the system. Those that tried to just stay with people from their own country didn't do as well. Now granted these kids where much better off financially compared to those who are trying to enter illegally. But there where a few occassions that I had to deal with a student who was here illegally. Because my background and education was pre-law, I have very little tolerance for those who can't obey the law. When it came to those who were here illegally, I was very tough. Most of the time I advised them to seek the proper channels, or leave the country. If they continued then I turned them in to the Immigration authorities. I was not one to look the other way. I also encouraged the legal students that when it was time for them to graduate that they would return to their native country, because I felt that so many of those countries need educated people who can bring about better change in their country. But sadly, many of these countries have sever economical and governmental problems, this is why so many want to stay. For those that chose to stay, I alway advised them to do it the legal way.
My feeling is, If I have to obey the laws of this land, and if I don't, then I have to pay the consequences. I have a healthy fear of the law, I don't like to have to worry about fines or jail.
But what I am seeing overall in this country, and not just in the dealings with illegal immigration, is this thing about people just don't want to hear the word "NO". If we continue to look the other way the majority of the time and we don't take a stand then more will continue to break the law.
If our immigration laws are unfair or the system is to slow then yes, changes need to be made. I have seen first hand that the system is way over work and there is not enough help. More people need to be hired to deal with the massive amounts of people and paperwork that is required. But, for those who are here illegally, there should not be any help, no freebies. I know this sounds harsh, but it is the only way to encourage them to obey the laws and to enter the right way. We are not the only country in the world that requires people to enter their country legally. And they too have consequences for breaking their laws.
The other responsibility is those that are hiring illegal aliens. These employers need to be held accountable as well. They are required by law to look at a person's ID, (I-9 form) but sometimes those ID's or work permits are forged and those employers don't have the training to find out if they are fake.
None of this is a easy fix, but there are some things that must be dealt with or else this situation will get worse. The Lord does say, many times in the bible that we are to treat foreigners fairly and with compassion. So our laws must be fair and just. The word is also very clear about sin, and that is to not tolerate it, or it will grow. The moment you look away and pretend it doesn't exist, then it will get worse. Lying is a sin.
I think, instead of being angry and feel threated by the wrong things that are going on, and participate in a negitive way, we need to pray. Pray that our nation's leaders, those who write the laws, will have the wisdom to look at this whole situation and do what is just and right. We need to pray that God will lay upon their hearts what He wants them to be doing so that we can work out this difficult situation to the best way possible. We need to pray that those in leadership positions will see if changes can be made to improve the system and to increase the manpower to help with the great demand that they have been trying to deal with so long. Prayer works wonders! God is all powerful and He has helped to create this nation, a nation built on legalized immigrants, and yes, while we don't like to admit it, illegal immigrants. I also think we need to pray for the leaders of this illegal immigrant issue, that they will work with our leaders and do what is legally right. We need to pray for peace and wisdom for all those involved. We need to pray for the youth, not just those that are here illegally, but the problems with disrepect and major problems is going on in most schools of this nation. Those dealing with areas a high proverty problems are having it the hardest. Most major cities are having major problems with the youth. Just look at the news, once again, kids are thinking about blowing up schools and wanting to kill other kids. We need to pray for all of this, and we need to stick to our guns, (figuritively speaking). We all need to look at ourselves and see what little laws we are breaking or those little white lies we are doing. And we need to stop it. For how can be ask others to take the stick out of their eye when we have a log in our own eye.
So, the illegal imigrants show how enthusiastic they are to work in this country by taking the day off....
You should also be aware that hate is on both sides of the issue.. there is an extremist movment in the Hispanic community to expel or 'ethnically cleanse' all the southwest of all non-hispanics by 2 ways: taking over the southwest and demand that it be made their own seperate nation within the U.S and killing all non-hispanics. There have already been riots. Feels a lot like France.
You should also be aware that hate is on both sides of the issue.. there is an extremist movment in the Hispanic community to expel or 'ethnically cleanse' all the southwest of all non-hispanics by 2 ways: taking over the southwest and demand that it be made their own seperate nation within the U.S and killing all non-hispanics. There have already been riots. Feels a lot like France.
The poster that said hate was "shining through us".....I'm sorry, but being against illegal immigration has nothing to do with "hate." That is a very simplistic observation and reeks of petty sensationalism. Why is it always "hate" when anyone white, christian or male questions the actions of anyone outside said groups? This is the way our media trains us to think. The goal is suppression of dissent.
I am against illegal immigration. I am FOR legal immigration. Where is the "hate"?
I am against illegal immigration. I am FOR legal immigration. Where is the "hate"?
QUOTE(NoFool @ May 3 2006, 06:54 PM)
The poster that said hate was "shining through us".....I'm sorry, but being against illegal immigration has nothing to do with "hate." That is a very simplistic observation and reeks of petty sensationalism. Why is it always "hate" when anyone white, christian or male questions the actions of anyone outside said groups? This is the way our media trains us to think. The goal is suppression of dissent.
I am against illegal immigration. I am FOR legal immigration. Where is the "hate"?
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I am against illegal immigration. I am FOR legal immigration. Where is the "hate"?
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NoFool is indeed "NO FOOL!"
I'm sorry that RCMilWrite's wife had so much trouble at the school she teaches at in California. Please don't put all your blame on the illegal aliens and what's going on in the school system. I went to an all white school in Southern California (as well as my son who graduated in 2001) and all I can say is that many of the rich, white kids were the ones who had no disrepectful for authority, as well as coming to school drunk or on drugs.
My grandparents, two half brothers and my father were born in Mexico. My grandparents came to this country for a better life not to take from this country. My entire family all worked hard for what they had (they purchased homes, paid taxes, some own businesses and most of them got their kids into college).
What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
My grandparents, two half brothers and my father were born in Mexico. My grandparents came to this country for a better life not to take from this country. My entire family all worked hard for what they had (they purchased homes, paid taxes, some own businesses and most of them got their kids into college).
What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 3 2006, 08:14 PM)
My grandparents, two half brothers and my father were born in Mexico. My grandparents came to this country for a better life not to take from this country. My entire family all worked hard for what they had (they purchased homes, paid taxes, some own businesses and most of them got their kids into college).
What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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That is to be respected though what your family has done. This is far different from not working hard and EXPECTING free advantages after you come here in an illegal fashion. I believe that is the point.
We had a president to say one day, 'Give us your poor; give us your tired; give us your hungry.' I think it might have been before Reagan. It took awhile, but they came, they got situated, the got got jobs, had children, and they had unlimited access to their familes back home. They grew and prospered. They got passes to and fro, back and forth. Does not the bible tell you, besides all of the other truth it says, 'You will be ruled by a people you do not understand,' or something like, 'a people of a strange tongue will intimidate you?' Well, that last statement sounds like little kids running around making you mad with their attitudes, rap music, and dress. But I agree that the population of immigrants is large, but the children who are born to an illegal immigrant are legal citizens. It appears that the government was trying to find a way to correct the problem, but they could not break up the families that were here. Now, we know or the government knows that it has to secure our borders; I won't have anything to do with it and the hospital that I work at now has mirror-like floors because of a crew of Nicarauguans from Texas did the work. All I did was listen for my name. One walked up to me and asked me in a word or two of English, 'You, Mexican?' I said 'no,' but still I don't know if he understood.
The crew that worked at the hospital cleaning and buffing and waxing the floors was a very talkative bunch. One night I had to enter a room where there was a number keypad that you used to open the door and the crew was standing around where the door was and they had to have that door opened. Some of them were looking over my shoulder when I was typing in the number, so I just turned around and showed them pointing to the numbers I said, 'uno, dos, tres, quatro, sinco.' Changed the whole scene. The same guy that talked to me said 'Mexican?' I said 'Si.'
The crew that worked at the hospital cleaning and buffing and waxing the floors was a very talkative bunch. One night I had to enter a room where there was a number keypad that you used to open the door and the crew was standing around where the door was and they had to have that door opened. Some of them were looking over my shoulder when I was typing in the number, so I just turned around and showed them pointing to the numbers I said, 'uno, dos, tres, quatro, sinco.' Changed the whole scene. The same guy that talked to me said 'Mexican?' I said 'Si.'
uh, as a farmer I can only truely say....don't EAT the tomatoes....that is how we got salmanilla in cantalopes....the portapotties that are provided are at one end of the field and the laborers don't really bother to walk that far. When they have it....the food has it. Then they found it in the strawberries....
Secondly, NoFool, good job. What parr of 'illegal" is ment to be anything else than wrong? If they can be illegal, can't I? I mean, there alot of illegal things, and if someone can get away with being illegal....why can't I?
Next time I want to run a stop sign....I just might use that one.
leia
PS. Gregg, you crack me up
Secondly, NoFool, good job. What parr of 'illegal" is ment to be anything else than wrong? If they can be illegal, can't I? I mean, there alot of illegal things, and if someone can get away with being illegal....why can't I?
Next time I want to run a stop sign....I just might use that one.
leia
PS. Gregg, you crack me up
QUOTE(flyingsquirrel @ May 3 2006, 04:09 PM)
So, the illegal imigrants show how enthusiastic they are to work in this country by taking the day off....
You should also be aware that hate is on both sides of the issue.. there is an extremist movment in the Hispanic community to expel or 'ethnically cleanse' all the southwest of all non-hispanics by 2 ways: taking over the southwest and demand that it be made their own seperate nation within the U.S and killing all non-hispanics. There have already been riots. Feels a lot like France.
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You should also be aware that hate is on both sides of the issue.. there is an extremist movment in the Hispanic community to expel or 'ethnically cleanse' all the southwest of all non-hispanics by 2 ways: taking over the southwest and demand that it be made their own seperate nation within the U.S and killing all non-hispanics. There have already been riots. Feels a lot like France.
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What happened in 1830 in the US? The Constirution was challenged by a group of half-blood Cherokees in a Supreme Court hearing. They were trying to stop the sate of Georgia from excersizing the laws of the state inside Cherokee territory. The ruling was that the state of Georgia was the creditor and the Cherokees were the debtors and more or less it was a conquest by the state of Georgia.
Well, the opposite couild be said to be true about the Hispanics in the southwest i.e. California, Nevada, Texas, but the problem is already solved. Non-citizens cannot bring any suit of law to the courts unless there is mediation and any child born to a non-citizen while residing in the US becomes a natural born citizen. If an illegal immigrant couple has 3 children born in the US, say California, and that is typical of the whole population of Hispanic immigrants, who is going to riot against the US, 2/5 of the population since 3/5 are American citizens? A few tanks and jeeps and some fighting men will take care of any riot.
France is rioting because they want to. It is because the government of France wants to take away your job if they want to, they will no longer offer lifetime employment for their citizens.
Here, the immigrants want the jobs and the employers have given them away and we want the jobs
. Hmmmm.
My father-in-law was here today, and he said something I haven't thought much about. He said yes they are illegal and if someone hires them they are doing something illegal. He said why do they hire them then if they are in their
country illegally. Because they can pay them cheaper. So again it comes
down to money. Do you think the people who hire them are just as much to blame.
If they are an Amercian citizen then they too should abide by the the land and not do something illegal by hiring an illegal citizen. This is what he talked about today.
What are your thoughts?
country illegally. Because they can pay them cheaper. So again it comes
down to money. Do you think the people who hire them are just as much to blame.
If they are an Amercian citizen then they too should abide by the the land and not do something illegal by hiring an illegal citizen. This is what he talked about today.
What are your thoughts?
Illegal is illegal. Take THAT from an recovering attorney!
I think those who hire them are just as much to blame and good for your father!
That is perhaps the first place the feds should start....
And gregg. again well said. We tried to take back the country that we thought was ours in the first place and we were put to rights for the good of the entire United States....perhaps we need to reconsider our past feelings and end this without that much blood shed, though.
Hello from the South.
leia
I think those who hire them are just as much to blame and good for your father!
That is perhaps the first place the feds should start....
And gregg. again well said. We tried to take back the country that we thought was ours in the first place and we were put to rights for the good of the entire United States....perhaps we need to reconsider our past feelings and end this without that much blood shed, though.
Hello from the South.
leia
The picture that comes to my mind is the farmers or the construction crews that could employ these people. I can't picture the corner drug store or flower shop or even a fast food place employing somebody that comes in here illegally just for the reason of them being illegal because how would an illegal know how to act in a legal environment? Well, the employer may have employed one illegal and liked the way the illegal worked and the employer may say, 'hey Lupe', you have friends, no?'
'Si, senor',' says Lupe'. Go get 'em, then, we make mucho denaros!'
I agree that the employers of illegals must have some accountability, but that problem has been seen from years ago. That is why there is so much taxation. Remember the Boston Tea Party in the later 1700s. Was it 'no taxation without representation?'
Now, you have to look at it from the other way, 'no representation without taxation.'
It might be that the government will not represent you unless you pay them the tax. When Jesus and his desciples were fishing, somebody asked Jesus if it was right to pay tax to Ceaser and He replied Render to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's.
Hello leia
'Si, senor',' says Lupe'. Go get 'em, then, we make mucho denaros!'
I agree that the employers of illegals must have some accountability, but that problem has been seen from years ago. That is why there is so much taxation. Remember the Boston Tea Party in the later 1700s. Was it 'no taxation without representation?'
Now, you have to look at it from the other way, 'no representation without taxation.'
It might be that the government will not represent you unless you pay them the tax. When Jesus and his desciples were fishing, somebody asked Jesus if it was right to pay tax to Ceaser and He replied Render to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's.
Hello leia
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ May 3 2006, 06:12 PM)
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 3 2006, 08:14 PM)
My grandparents, two half brothers and my father were born in Mexico. My grandparents came to this country for a better life not to take from this country. My entire family all worked hard for what they had (they purchased homes, paid taxes, some own businesses and most of them got their kids into college).
What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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That is to be respected though what your family has done. This is far different from not working hard and EXPECTING free advantages after you come here in an illegal fashion. I believe that is the point.
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That's funny.....because there's sure a lot of people born in this county (not illegal aliens) who don't want to work hard and do expect free advantages from this country. hmmmm
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Stormdreamer said:
None of this is a easy fix, but there are some things that must be dealt with or else this situation will get worse. The Lord does say, many times in the bible that we are to treat foreigners fairly and with compassion. So our laws must be fair and just. The word is also very clear about sin, and that is to not tolerate it, or it will grow. The moment you look away and pretend it doesn't exist, then it will get worse. Lying is a sin.
None of this is a easy fix, but there are some things that must be dealt with or else this situation will get worse. The Lord does say, many times in the bible that we are to treat foreigners fairly and with compassion. So our laws must be fair and just. The word is also very clear about sin, and that is to not tolerate it, or it will grow. The moment you look away and pretend it doesn't exist, then it will get worse. Lying is a sin.
Stormdreamer, Very wise council!!
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 4 2006, 12:08 AM)
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My grandparents, two half brothers and my father were born in Mexico. My grandparents came to this country for a better life not to take from this country. My entire family all worked hard for what they had (they purchased homes, paid taxes, some own businesses and most of them got their kids into college).
What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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That is to be respected though what your family has done. This is far different from not working hard and EXPECTING free advantages after you come here in an illegal fashion. I believe that is the point.
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That's funny.....because there's sure a lot of people born in this county (not illegal aliens) who don't want to work hard and do expect free advantages from this country. hmmmm
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Hmmmm, what? You act like you've discovered the Treasure of Sierra Madre or the Fountain of Youth with that comment. It's not exactly a smoking gun that there are people born in this country that are lazy. Such is the human race. BIG difference is that they are not jumping people's borders and DEMANDING the same rights as AMERICAN citizens. If people born in this country want to be lazy, it is their right as Americans to be lazy if they so choose, but whatever way you look at it, they were still born here. Those people born here can expect free advantages all day long and not get them. Why should people that come here in an illegal fashion, be treated any different with regard to having free advantages. They have no right to demand anything, such as laws be changed in a country that is foreign to them.
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QUOTE(blueskies @ May 4 2006, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ May 3 2006, 06:12 PM)
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 3 2006, 08:14 PM)
My grandparents, two half brothers and my father were born in Mexico. My grandparents came to this country for a better life not to take from this country. My entire family all worked hard for what they had (they purchased homes, paid taxes, some own businesses and most of them got their kids into college).
What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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That is to be respected though what your family has done. This is far different from not working hard and EXPECTING free advantages after you come here in an illegal fashion. I believe that is the point.
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That's funny.....because there's sure a lot of people born in this county (not illegal aliens) who don't want to work hard and do expect free advantages from this country. hmmmm
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Hmmmm, what? You act like you've discovered the Treasure of Sierra Madre or the Fountain of Youth with that comment. It's not exactly a smoking gun that there are people born in this country that are lazy. Such is the human race. BIG difference is that they are not jumping people's borders and DEMANDING the same rights as AMERICAN citizens. If people born in this country want to be lazy, it is their right as Americans to be lazy if they so choose, but whatever way you look at it, they were still born here. Those people born here can expect free advantages all day long and not get them. Why should people that come here in an illegal fashion, be treated any different with regard to having free advantages. They have no right to demand anything, such as laws be changed in a country that is foreign to them.
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Shaun,
Yes, people born in this country can be lazy, etc. if they like. That's their choice. Sounds to me like you have major problems. I'll be praying for you....
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 4 2006, 03:07 PM)
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ May 4 2006, 05:22 AM)
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 4 2006, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ May 3 2006, 06:12 PM)
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 3 2006, 08:14 PM)
My grandparents, two half brothers and my father were born in Mexico. My grandparents came to this country for a better life not to take from this country. My entire family all worked hard for what they had (they purchased homes, paid taxes, some own businesses and most of them got their kids into college).
What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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What we need to do is pray for this country and all try to help each other.....not tear each other down.
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That is to be respected though what your family has done. This is far different from not working hard and EXPECTING free advantages after you come here in an illegal fashion. I believe that is the point.
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That's funny.....because there's sure a lot of people born in this county (not illegal aliens) who don't want to work hard and do expect free advantages from this country. hmmmm
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Hmmmm, what? You act like you've discovered the Treasure of Sierra Madre or the Fountain of Youth with that comment. It's not exactly a smoking gun that there are people born in this country that are lazy. Such is the human race. BIG difference is that they are not jumping people's borders and DEMANDING the same rights as AMERICAN citizens. If people born in this country want to be lazy, it is their right as Americans to be lazy if they so choose, but whatever way you look at it, they were still born here. Those people born here can expect free advantages all day long and not get them. Why should people that come here in an illegal fashion, be treated any different with regard to having free advantages. They have no right to demand anything, such as laws be changed in a country that is foreign to them.
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Shaun,
Yes, people born in this country can be lazy, etc. if they like. That's their choice. Sounds to me like you have major problems. I'll be praying for you....
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Boy, that's a great counter-debating point. Sounds like I'm debating someone that doesn't speak english and crossed the border yesterday.
Pray for yourself, in that you can rightly recognize a passionate counterpoint. We're not talking biblical doctrine here, we're talking about a political issue. So, because I disagree with your point of view on this matter, I "have major problems". LOL, boy that's rich.
So what is blueskies an alias for?! It's hard to keep track around here anymore.
Are the immigrants, like the Irish immigrant who built the Eerie canal, coming here to be an example to the 'lazy Americans' or are they coming to give us rest? These people are not going away and it is sad that there are government of well meaning men and women who just do not get the meaning of poor. btw, I have not seen a lazy infant. Laziness is not a born trait, it is a learned trait. The oppurtunities that are given determine the activity of a person. You give the person the oppurtunity to work and he starts and continues to work, they psychologically propel themselves.
Same thing happens with terrorism. The cause propels itself.
Same thing happens with terrorism. The cause propels itself.
That's funny.....because there's sure a lot of people born in this county (not illegal aliens) who don't want to work hard and do expect free advantages from this country. hmmmm
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Hmmmm, what? You act like you've discovered the Treasure of Sierra Madre or the Fountain of Youth with that comment. It's not exactly a smoking gun that there are people born in this country that are lazy. Such is the human race. BIG difference is that they are not jumping people's borders and DEMANDING the same rights as AMERICAN citizens. If people born in this country want to be lazy, it is their right as Americans to be lazy if they so choose, but whatever way you look at it, they were still born here. Those people born here can expect free advantages all day long and not get them. Why should people that come here in an illegal fashion, be treated any different with regard to having free advantages. They have no right to demand anything, such as laws be changed in a country that is foreign to them.
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Shaun,
Yes, people born in this country can be lazy, etc. if they like. That's their choice. Sounds to me like you have major problems. I'll be praying for you....
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Boy, that's a great counter-debating point. Sounds like I'm debating someone that doesn't speak english and crossed the border yesterday.
Pray for yourself, in that you can rightly recognize a passionate counterpoint. We're not talking biblical doctrine here, we're talking about a political issue. So, because I disagree with your point of view on this matter, I "have major problems". LOL, boy that's rich.
So what is blueskies an alias for?! It's hard to keep track around here anymore.
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You're a very rude, mean spirted, and self-righteous person. A real know it all. pssss....is that hot air I'm hearing??
Au revoir petite amie......
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pssss....is that hot air I'm hearing??
I don't know, did you stick a pin in yourself?
QUOTE(blueskies @ May 5 2006, 07:45 PM)
Au revoir petite amie......
Au revoir débile
Hi,
I don't know if I shared this here, I didn't see it...
I had a dream a couple of days ago...I think it was April 30.
I saw His feet...and when I really looked He was wearing hurache
sandles...
governments and regimes cause divisions...and in some cases
cause their citizens to flee...the first cause is the Mexican government
for not caring for its citizens and development of its people, and
the second case is America for not implementing protection that
would keep both countries safe...more laws,papers, documentation,
taxes, police action...these are all the tools...not personal...every
country has them. We need to have compassion for the individuals
that risk all for a country that is finally starting to decay...we hope for
peaceful resolution...and pray for those that trespass against us
as we pray for our tresspasses to be forgiven...
Complex and confusing...no slogan can cover the strife...we will find
soon that emnity with the Spirit of God is behind so much, yet it it
this pressure that will bring people to a saving knowledge of Jesus.
The ONE that saves. His name is Yeshua/salvation.
Bless you,
Signet
I don't know if I shared this here, I didn't see it...
I had a dream a couple of days ago...I think it was April 30.
I saw His feet...and when I really looked He was wearing hurache
sandles...
governments and regimes cause divisions...and in some cases
cause their citizens to flee...the first cause is the Mexican government
for not caring for its citizens and development of its people, and
the second case is America for not implementing protection that
would keep both countries safe...more laws,papers, documentation,
taxes, police action...these are all the tools...not personal...every
country has them. We need to have compassion for the individuals
that risk all for a country that is finally starting to decay...we hope for
peaceful resolution...and pray for those that trespass against us
as we pray for our tresspasses to be forgiven...
Complex and confusing...no slogan can cover the strife...we will find
soon that emnity with the Spirit of God is behind so much, yet it it
this pressure that will bring people to a saving knowledge of Jesus.
The ONE that saves. His name is Yeshua/salvation.
Bless you,
Signet
It's sad that those thousands of people that were demonstrating here would rise up in their own countries and fight for their rights there. I know it would be dangerous, but that's how our country started. Maybe if they did fight for their rights there, and throw out the leaders that are corrupt or inept, and elected knowledgeable and wise and godly leaders, maybe they would eventually have a country that is even better than the USA. As we know from our own history here, freedom comes with a price and a lot of work. And the people must stick together and do and want what is right. Our founding fathers would never have succeeded to break away from English rule if they hadn't stuck together and be lead by God. Maybe we need to be praying for these countries that need to make some changes, so that their people won't want to leave, and so that they can provide for their families. Most seem to be leaving there and coming here for jobs, and for freedom. But as long as sin and corruption and foolish leaders rule those countries, then thier people will continue to flee and come here or other countries that promise a better life. We as a nation, must stop encouraging those leaders and those nations that continue to not take care of their people.
I am of the school of thought that illegal is illegal.
All of my greatgrand parents came here from other countries and they all came legally. I was born here because they came here Legally. I am a proud American. I have also experence working as a farm worker. At one time my family followed the crops and we picked fruits and vegs. The farmers dont pay a living wage. You either work for whats offered or you dont work. Cause the farmers know there are 30 illegals just waiting and willing to the job at a rediculusly low wage. I saw all different colors of people and alot of legal Americans who are forced to work for pennies a day because of the problem with illegals. They are a burden to our already over burdened economy, medical system, and education system. wether they want to admitt it or not. Its not right for non Americans to get Welfair when we have Americans who need assistance and dont quilify. Yes we have our share of lazy adults but there is a large population of single family households who cant make it on a min wage salary. Many are forced to work more thna 40 hours a week leaveing children unatteded cause who can afford baby sitting on min wage????? These are hard working American born families and they are treated like second class trash yet illegals get help wrong is wrong and right is right. I say go home and change your counrty and governements to what we have. Its so strang that so many call America names and we are the bad guys but yet so many counrties want to be us and to live like us???? It makes you wonder........ How much real help could we give to our own needy, sick, disabled, hard working American families if we didnt have to worry about all the illegals????? Yes we need to revamp our immigration laws, yes we need to help other countries that wish to become like America but we also need to take care of our own first. Iam not unkind I have been to Mexico and seen the poverty but we need to help get them on there feet so that their citizens stay home and not flood us out. Lord only knows what they would do if Americans all of a sudden decided to flood their country and to live there illegally. Enough is enough if your not an American Citizen you have NO RIGHTS!!!! Go home and come back the right way. All of us had to pay dues one way or another. American is not the land of the free lunch its the land of the Free. Something Americans have worked long and hard to maintain.
Sincerly
Terra
All of my greatgrand parents came here from other countries and they all came legally. I was born here because they came here Legally. I am a proud American. I have also experence working as a farm worker. At one time my family followed the crops and we picked fruits and vegs. The farmers dont pay a living wage. You either work for whats offered or you dont work. Cause the farmers know there are 30 illegals just waiting and willing to the job at a rediculusly low wage. I saw all different colors of people and alot of legal Americans who are forced to work for pennies a day because of the problem with illegals. They are a burden to our already over burdened economy, medical system, and education system. wether they want to admitt it or not. Its not right for non Americans to get Welfair when we have Americans who need assistance and dont quilify. Yes we have our share of lazy adults but there is a large population of single family households who cant make it on a min wage salary. Many are forced to work more thna 40 hours a week leaveing children unatteded cause who can afford baby sitting on min wage????? These are hard working American born families and they are treated like second class trash yet illegals get help wrong is wrong and right is right. I say go home and change your counrty and governements to what we have. Its so strang that so many call America names and we are the bad guys but yet so many counrties want to be us and to live like us???? It makes you wonder........ How much real help could we give to our own needy, sick, disabled, hard working American families if we didnt have to worry about all the illegals????? Yes we need to revamp our immigration laws, yes we need to help other countries that wish to become like America but we also need to take care of our own first. Iam not unkind I have been to Mexico and seen the poverty but we need to help get them on there feet so that their citizens stay home and not flood us out. Lord only knows what they would do if Americans all of a sudden decided to flood their country and to live there illegally. Enough is enough if your not an American Citizen you have NO RIGHTS!!!! Go home and come back the right way. All of us had to pay dues one way or another. American is not the land of the free lunch its the land of the Free. Something Americans have worked long and hard to maintain.
Sincerly
Terra
Terra64, welcome to the forum, and may the LORD bless you here! 
Hi,
Everything in order. When chaos runs rampant its because the
"authority" isn't seeking God. The anointing runs down from the
top...and where confusion is, there is lawlessness. In a land of
laws and litigation such as America has become...You would hope
that leadership would carry out the prescribed governance that
protects. It is not the case now, and I am concerned that this is
a divergent tactic to a another agenda. When leadership bows to
heavenly authority and there is peace and prosperity for all. So...
Pray for those that have become the adversaries ammunition.
We don't realize that this is a harvest field...pray for the workers
to get saved! We are sojourners, yes? Yet, all things done in order.
That's church.
Blessings,
Signet
Everything in order. When chaos runs rampant its because the
"authority" isn't seeking God. The anointing runs down from the
top...and where confusion is, there is lawlessness. In a land of
laws and litigation such as America has become...You would hope
that leadership would carry out the prescribed governance that
protects. It is not the case now, and I am concerned that this is
a divergent tactic to a another agenda. When leadership bows to
heavenly authority and there is peace and prosperity for all. So...
Pray for those that have become the adversaries ammunition.
We don't realize that this is a harvest field...pray for the workers
to get saved! We are sojourners, yes? Yet, all things done in order.
That's church.
Blessings,
Signet
I understand people wating to come to this country, and I don't really have a problem with illegals from a moral standpoint. I do think they should go through the channels and do it legally.
My problem is really that the borders are wide open, when a worker comes across that's one thing but it's also way too easy for a terrorist to come across and set off a nuke in LA.
Having borders this unprotected while we're at "war" is simply crazy.
My problem is really that the borders are wide open, when a worker comes across that's one thing but it's also way too easy for a terrorist to come across and set off a nuke in LA.
Having borders this unprotected while we're at "war" is simply crazy.
Hi,
This country hasn't implemented the laws we already have...so who is
the criminal? We took 911 to change many things here...a road that
we will not be able to travel back on for some time, if ever...come
quickly Lord Jesus. God forbid a war here, however, failure to
adhere to the governances and allowing people, en masse to have
to seek charity rather than full independence as citizens leaves
us with a disenfranchised population....our official laws are not our
unofficial preferences...collectively...the government of both countries
have other ideas and objectives, leaving local government holding
the bag...people do what people do, without order there is no
order...what the government says it does, it does not, and what it
says it does not, it does anyway...this is not only iniquity...as it was
defined here on the forum it is a sign...we are to keep our eyes on
Jesus, love, forgive, give unto Ceasar, and remember the land, and
the people belong to God...these are trials, testings, and tribulation.
America has not felt the birth pangs that is sorely felt in other
countries and around the world, however, this country has left
its first estate, like the angels commanded to protect and worship
in spirit and in truth. We are in those days..
This country hasn't implemented the laws we already have...so who is
the criminal? We took 911 to change many things here...a road that
we will not be able to travel back on for some time, if ever...come
quickly Lord Jesus. God forbid a war here, however, failure to
adhere to the governances and allowing people, en masse to have
to seek charity rather than full independence as citizens leaves
us with a disenfranchised population....our official laws are not our
unofficial preferences...collectively...the government of both countries
have other ideas and objectives, leaving local government holding
the bag...people do what people do, without order there is no
order...what the government says it does, it does not, and what it
says it does not, it does anyway...this is not only iniquity...as it was
defined here on the forum it is a sign...we are to keep our eyes on
Jesus, love, forgive, give unto Ceasar, and remember the land, and
the people belong to God...these are trials, testings, and tribulation.
America has not felt the birth pangs that is sorely felt in other
countries and around the world, however, this country has left
its first estate, like the angels commanded to protect and worship
in spirit and in truth. We are in those days..
Just wanted to say a peice before I head to church....
My husband and I rent his parents farm 20 minutes away to raise our young dariy heifers and we have a big problem...
The guy we have in the house there knows nothing about animals and fences and grass and can barely run equipment, much less fix it. He was a God send to be sure, but now God is tell us to rethink things. Things change and that was then and this is now. We know that something different has to be done there...but the one that God seems to want to put in place is a friend that we sent 15,000 to to get him over here from South Africa many years ago.
He STILL can't get a green card even though he has proved himself over and over by taking over some very powerful dairies and done some remakeable things for the state of Texas....even all the cops love him and he has shown what a decent, law abiding man he is and a wonderful father. He raised three sons here and one is a preacher, one is a tennis pro and the youngest is so promising in several fields he is amazing.
But no card. We have decided to push our congressman friend for his help. It is just now that we have that option, having supported him through government and up to congressman. Our old paster and good friend is his campaign manager and travel assistant. God is good, but pray for us while we find his will.
This is unchartered territory for us.
leia
My husband and I rent his parents farm 20 minutes away to raise our young dariy heifers and we have a big problem...
The guy we have in the house there knows nothing about animals and fences and grass and can barely run equipment, much less fix it. He was a God send to be sure, but now God is tell us to rethink things. Things change and that was then and this is now. We know that something different has to be done there...but the one that God seems to want to put in place is a friend that we sent 15,000 to to get him over here from South Africa many years ago.
He STILL can't get a green card even though he has proved himself over and over by taking over some very powerful dairies and done some remakeable things for the state of Texas....even all the cops love him and he has shown what a decent, law abiding man he is and a wonderful father. He raised three sons here and one is a preacher, one is a tennis pro and the youngest is so promising in several fields he is amazing.
But no card. We have decided to push our congressman friend for his help. It is just now that we have that option, having supported him through government and up to congressman. Our old paster and good friend is his campaign manager and travel assistant. God is good, but pray for us while we find his will.
This is unchartered territory for us.
leia
QUOTE(leia @ May 7 2006, 10:03 AM)
Just wanted to say a peice before I head to church....
My husband and I rent his parents farm 20 minutes away to raise our young dariy heifers and we have a big problem...
The guy we have in the house there knows nothing about animals and fences and grass and can barely run equipment, much less fix it. He was a God send to be sure, but now God is tell us to rethink things. Things change and that was then and this is now. We know that something different has to be done there...but the one that God seems to want to put in place is a friend that we sent 15,000 to to get him over here from South Africa many years ago.
He STILL can't get a green card even though he has proved himself over and over by taking over some very powerful dairies and done some remakeable things for the state of Texas....even all the cops love him and he has shown what a decent, law abiding man he is and a wonderful father. He raised three sons here and one is a preacher, one is a tennis pro and the youngest is so promising in several fields he is amazing.
But no card. We have decided to push our congressman friend for his help. It is just now that we have that option, having supported him through government and up to congressman. Our old paster and good friend is his campaign manager and travel assistant. God is good, but pray for us while we find his will.
This is unchartered territory for us.
leia
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My husband and I rent his parents farm 20 minutes away to raise our young dariy heifers and we have a big problem...
The guy we have in the house there knows nothing about animals and fences and grass and can barely run equipment, much less fix it. He was a God send to be sure, but now God is tell us to rethink things. Things change and that was then and this is now. We know that something different has to be done there...but the one that God seems to want to put in place is a friend that we sent 15,000 to to get him over here from South Africa many years ago.
He STILL can't get a green card even though he has proved himself over and over by taking over some very powerful dairies and done some remakeable things for the state of Texas....even all the cops love him and he has shown what a decent, law abiding man he is and a wonderful father. He raised three sons here and one is a preacher, one is a tennis pro and the youngest is so promising in several fields he is amazing.
But no card. We have decided to push our congressman friend for his help. It is just now that we have that option, having supported him through government and up to congressman. Our old paster and good friend is his campaign manager and travel assistant. God is good, but pray for us while we find his will.
This is unchartered territory for us.
leia
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I have alittle bit of an immigration background, so I thought I'd ask, forgive me if I ask the obvious, but have you and your friend gone to an immigration attorney to help you get the worker permit, (H-1 Visa)? If you have did he tell you that the average amount of time it takes can vary, but many have told me it takes about 2-5 years. Sometimes it does depend on the attorney and how hard he is working on it and if his specialty is immigration. Sometimes it depends on who that attorney knows as well, in the INS. If you feel that you aren't getting anywhere with that attorney, then try to get a different one. The best ones to go to are those who by word of mouth, who have been already helped. If you can talk to some people that have recieved their work permits and find out who their attorneys where and how long it takes. Also, there are countries, that the INS, will really drag their feet on, in giving out just about any kind of visa, not just worker permits, (green cards). It's not really discussed in public, but this is well known with those who work with the INS. That is why some will try to go to other countries first that are on friendly terms with the USA and become a citizen there, then apply here, to come here. Believe it or not, it was hard to get visa for many of these countries before 9/11, since 9/11 it is extremely difficult. (This is probibly why so many illegals have been trying to get into this country.) The system is overworked, and many people, even in the INS, are not understanding many of the regulations. One person will tell you one thing and anyother will tell you something completely different. There's a lot of interpretation of the law and it's hard to understand. Even some areas within the state, like California, where I use to work, varies. San Diego would have their understanding, and San Fransico would have theirs. And they have large immigrant populations. The other thing to know is that it seems that some states in the USA have certain populations. Some may refer to this as a quota. Where I am living now, there seems to be many people from the parts of the eastern Europe. When I lived in California it depended on what county, and you could tell what country they were from. In the south, like Alabama, more and more refugees from places like the Sudan and other African nations are coming. But the numbers are very small and are connected to various Christian churches.
Also, if a person is going to school here to get a degree, they will usually get a F-1 Visa or J Visa, after they have completed their 3rd year on the F-1 Visa's, they qualify to work, in a part-time Practical training problem if it relates to their degree. They can work for 12 months. Then they can complete the next part of their practical train for another 12 months after they graduate. Then during that time most of the students who want to further their training will go on with their schooling, like a masters, again they can work. During this time is when many will apply for their work permit, if their employer wants them to work there. They must have the backing of that employer. And like you've probibly heard, there must be a need in this country. The bigger the corporation the faster it seems that the paperwork is done. At least that was my experience. Unfortunely, for those who are doing it the legal way, it can be very expense, mainly due to the attorney fee's. At least that was what others who were going through this process told me.
I hoped this helped some way. May the Lord show you and help you in this situation. But always know this, as long as you are doing what is right, (and legal), then the Lord will bless you in your faithfulness and patience.
Please feel free to email me if you have any questions or you need encouragement.
God Bless
Sandra
QUOTE(leia @ May 7 2006, 10:03 AM)
Just wanted to say a peice before I head to church....
My husband and I rent his parents farm 20 minutes away to raise our young dariy heifers and we have a big problem...
The guy we have in the house there knows nothing about animals and fences and grass and can barely run equipment, much less fix it. He was a God send to be sure, but now God is tell us to rethink things. Things change and that was then and this is now. We know that something different has to be done there...but the one that God seems to want to put in place is a friend that we sent 15,000 to to get him over here from South Africa many years ago.
He STILL can't get a green card even though he has proved himself over and over by taking over some very powerful dairies and done some remakeable things for the state of Texas....even all the cops love him and he has shown what a decent, law abiding man he is and a wonderful father. He raised three sons here and one is a preacher, one is a tennis pro and the youngest is so promising in several fields he is amazing.
Hi,
May God be with you..."The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of amn hath not where to lay his head". Matthew 8:21
But no card. We have decided to push our congressman friend for his help. It is just now that we have that option, having supported him through government and up to congressman. Our old paster and good friend is his campaign manager and travel assistant. God is good, but pray for us while we find his will.
This is unchartered territory for us.
leia
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My husband and I rent his parents farm 20 minutes away to raise our young dariy heifers and we have a big problem...
The guy we have in the house there knows nothing about animals and fences and grass and can barely run equipment, much less fix it. He was a God send to be sure, but now God is tell us to rethink things. Things change and that was then and this is now. We know that something different has to be done there...but the one that God seems to want to put in place is a friend that we sent 15,000 to to get him over here from South Africa many years ago.
He STILL can't get a green card even though he has proved himself over and over by taking over some very powerful dairies and done some remakeable things for the state of Texas....even all the cops love him and he has shown what a decent, law abiding man he is and a wonderful father. He raised three sons here and one is a preacher, one is a tennis pro and the youngest is so promising in several fields he is amazing.
Hi,
May God be with you..."The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of amn hath not where to lay his head". Matthew 8:21
But no card. We have decided to push our congressman friend for his help. It is just now that we have that option, having supported him through government and up to congressman. Our old paster and good friend is his campaign manager and travel assistant. God is good, but pray for us while we find his will.
This is unchartered territory for us.
leia
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Hi,
May God be with you..."The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head". Matthew 8:21 (Sorry for the split screen...I couldn't delete, for some reason...So double to you!
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