This is just a draft, but it keeps bugging me. If I remember something else, I will ad to it:
70th week of Daniel 2,520 days (7 biblical years)
Pre trib
---------
Peace treaty: marks countdown
1st 1,260 days
false peace
fase security
Short-lived prosperity
BEGIN 1,260 days or 180 weeks, or 7 symbolic days (Genesis 7:4; God told Noah that IN SEVEN DAYS, THE FLOOD WILL COME), or 7 symbolic weeks (7 x 7 = 49 days or 1 day for 1 year or 49 symbolic years
People drinking, eating, planting
.... as in the days of Lot
People drinking, eating, marrying,
.... as in the days of Noah
Mid trib
---------
Begin of last 1,260 days
or times, time and half a time
or 3 1/2 years (listed FIVE TIMES IN REVELATION!)
or 153 symbolic days
Symbolic Easter day
1st RAPTURE, code REVELATION 10;07 (Leviticus 25:8-9)
Begin 50th year = jubilee year, TRUMPET BLOWN 10th day of 7th month
Peace treaty broken
Bad ecomony
Antichrist sits in 3rd temple
thus revealing who is is
(only an unbeliever believes there is a need for a 3rd temple) We are God's temple!
2 witness prophecy in sackcloth for 1,260 days
144,000 Jews prophecy to Jewish people throughout the world
Mid trib + 40 (or 50?)days: Raptured people in glorified bodies minister for 40? or 50? days to the ones left behind (Jews and Gentiles alike)
Satan tries to persecute them, without success
After 40 (or 50?) days: glorified saints + new converts (Jews and Gentiles) raptured to Heaven, including the Jewish people the 144,000 Jews ministered unto.
Symbolic Pentecost day
Beginning of persecution
Satan persecutes the remnant who keeps the commandments (Rev 12)
MARK IS IMPOSED
People die rather than getting the mark (Rev 13; AFTER Rev 12 (chrono-logical)
More people saved (Gentiles and Jews)
Daniel 8:13-15 2,300 evenings and mornings Antichrist worshipped in temple
or 1,150 days
1,260 - 1,150 = 110 days = ? what will happen after these 1,150 days up until the 1,260th day of Great Trib?
End trib
---------
On the 111th day AFTER the end of Antichrist worship, the 2 witnesses raptured to heaven after laying dead for 3 1/2 days
THIS DAY is 2nd RAPTURE, code Revelation 11:11
2 witnesses raptured + Great TRibulation saints (Jews + Gentiles) + 144,000 Jews raptured
End of 153 symbolic days
(153 days after 10.07 is 11.11 and we know that 10:07 PM is minute - 153 of day, like a countdown who started at mid trib and ends 153 symbolic days later with the 2nd rapture, code Revelation 11.11)
half an hour silence
Last plagues on unbelievers
35 days (happy who waits 1,335 days)
[365 x 7] - [360 x 7] = 35, the Jews must count in gentile years? (35 = 5 days x 7 years) for the rest unsaved who refused the mark who will make it into millenium
Full Version: Tribulation
There are a few things in this timeline that confuse me, or are news to me...I'll do some studying on God's word and get back to this.....
If you're interested in tribulation timelines, check this link out: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm03.htm)
I would be VERY interested to hear what all of you think of this writing. It uses numbers from Noah's day, as well as Daniel's day to come up with a timeline for Revelation. Best of all, the numbers equate perfectly in confirmation.
Prayerfully watching in Christ,
Mike
I would be VERY interested to hear what all of you think of this writing. It uses numbers from Noah's day, as well as Daniel's day to come up with a timeline for Revelation. Best of all, the numbers equate perfectly in confirmation.
Prayerfully watching in Christ,
Mike
Thanks Mike...I'll check that out!! 
no comment this conversation usually goes nowhere, but I commend all whom will study whats given to us. Keep on keepin on!
QUOTE(bonomike @ Apr 29 2006, 08:55 PM)
If you're interested in tribulation timelines, check this link out: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm03.htm)
I would be VERY interested to hear what all of you think of this writing. It uses numbers from Noah's day, as well as Daniel's day to come up with a timeline for Revelation. Best of all, the numbers equate perfectly in confirmation.
Prayerfully watching in Christ,
Mike
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I would be VERY interested to hear what all of you think of this writing. It uses numbers from Noah's day, as well as Daniel's day to come up with a timeline for Revelation. Best of all, the numbers equate perfectly in confirmation.
Prayerfully watching in Christ,
Mike
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I haven't read the entire article. I just don't have time tonight, and probably won't have time to read the whole thing until at least Monday. However, just in the first few paragraphs I have noticed several things that are very "iffy". The biggest of which is that the author fails to recognize that the rapture and return of the Lord are 2 different and distinct events. To use an example. In the OT there are many prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. Some portray a suffering Messiah and some portray a Kingly Messiah who restores Israel. What the religous leaders of Jesus's time failed to realize is that the OT was in fact showing that the Messiah coming to Israel happens in 2 stages. It is the same with the second coming. Some verses talk about the rapture and some talk about the literal day when Jesus will set his feet on the mount of Olives.
The author of that article has completely missed that point. To point out this mistake simply read the following quote from that article:
"(2 Pet.3:10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Obviously the heavens could not pass away or the earth burn up at the beginning or even the middle of the seven years or there would not be anybody here to have a tribulation! The resurrection and rapture could only be at the last day, here called the day of the Lord, which we will discuss presently."
So then the author supposes that the "Day of the Lord" is a literal 1 day in history. If you further go on to read the article you will see that he makes very carefull calculations as to exactly when this "day" is. Can you see that he contradicts himself in that the very verse he quotes to back up his argument says that the "day of the Lord" comes like a thief. If the "Day of the Lord" comes like a thief then how is it that we can literally pull out a calander and start counting the days until Jesus comes back? We even have 2 referrence points to count from: 1.) The confirming of the peace treaty for 7 years, and 2.) Anti-Christ entering the Temple and proclaiming himself God.
If you apply the authors logic, then when Jesus told us to be on watch because we don't know when he would come back wasn't really necessary. According to the authors logic then, we don't need to watch for Jesus, instead we should be watching for the Anti-Christ because he will come first before Jesus. May I humbly submit that the authors logic takes our eyes off of Jesus and the focus is watching for the Anti-Christ, for when the Anti-Christ comes then we can start counting the days down until Jesus comes back (which the author argues the rapture happens at the same time). Now the author doesn't outright state this but if you follow his logic this would be the conclusion. Just ask yourself, if the rapture happens on the last day of the tribulation then why on earth would we be watching for Jesus? We will then watch for the Anti-Christ for our hope would lie with him showing up on the scene first.
I have several other points I'd like to make but I simply do not have time this evening to do it justice. I will point out though that there are very good logical reasons to believe that the rapture + resurrection and the physical return of Jesus to the Mount of Olives are 2 very different events. Perhaps next week I will find time to point them out if this thread sees some debate.
Frek, I've inserted a few comments.
"The biggest of which is that the author fails to recognize that the rapture and return of the Lord are 2 different and distinct events."
He does agree that there are two different events, but not two physical appearances. Some of the difficulty in understanding are definition differences between what has traditionally been taught (the direction you're coming from) and what Mr. Eells is saying.
For example, he indicates that before the return of Jesus physically, he comes in power through his church, or the "Body of Christ"--this being the "latter rain" as it's called in scripture. There are more than a few scriptures of his people treading down the nations so that they are "ashes" under their feet, as well as doing great exploits by the Spirit of the Lord.
"So then the author supposes that the "Day of the Lord" is a literal 1 day in history."
Actually, he's saying that it is 1 year (Bible says 1 day--you know...) Is. 63:4. This year, he says, is after the seven year trib. The tribulation, according to Eells is a wilderness experience for the church to separate the believing from the unbelieving (Christians in name only), much like the experience of Israel in the wilderness.
"If the "Day of the Lord" comes like a thief then how is it that we can literally pull out a calander and start counting the days until Jesus comes back?"
Recall: "...but you are not in darkness that the day should overtake you as a thief." The world, yes, the church, no.
"If you apply the authors logic, then when Jesus told us to be on watch because we don't know when he would come back wasn't really necessary. According to the authors logic then, we don't need to watch for Jesus, instead we should be watching for the Anti-Christ because he will come first before Jesus."
Actually, as he says in the article I'm going to list next, the "man-child" will beat the antichrist on the scene, or the corporate outpouring of an Elijah-like anointing on the church to present Christ as the "Lion of the Tribe of Judah."
I probably linked you to the "rapture" article, kind of like starting you in chapter 5 of a book, where you've missed all the definitions as the author sees them. It will probably make more sense if you start here: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm05.htm
You will then (maybe) see were Mr. Eells is coming from.
"The biggest of which is that the author fails to recognize that the rapture and return of the Lord are 2 different and distinct events."
He does agree that there are two different events, but not two physical appearances. Some of the difficulty in understanding are definition differences between what has traditionally been taught (the direction you're coming from) and what Mr. Eells is saying.
For example, he indicates that before the return of Jesus physically, he comes in power through his church, or the "Body of Christ"--this being the "latter rain" as it's called in scripture. There are more than a few scriptures of his people treading down the nations so that they are "ashes" under their feet, as well as doing great exploits by the Spirit of the Lord.
"So then the author supposes that the "Day of the Lord" is a literal 1 day in history."
Actually, he's saying that it is 1 year (Bible says 1 day--you know...) Is. 63:4. This year, he says, is after the seven year trib. The tribulation, according to Eells is a wilderness experience for the church to separate the believing from the unbelieving (Christians in name only), much like the experience of Israel in the wilderness.
"If the "Day of the Lord" comes like a thief then how is it that we can literally pull out a calander and start counting the days until Jesus comes back?"
Recall: "...but you are not in darkness that the day should overtake you as a thief." The world, yes, the church, no.
"If you apply the authors logic, then when Jesus told us to be on watch because we don't know when he would come back wasn't really necessary. According to the authors logic then, we don't need to watch for Jesus, instead we should be watching for the Anti-Christ because he will come first before Jesus."
Actually, as he says in the article I'm going to list next, the "man-child" will beat the antichrist on the scene, or the corporate outpouring of an Elijah-like anointing on the church to present Christ as the "Lion of the Tribe of Judah."
I probably linked you to the "rapture" article, kind of like starting you in chapter 5 of a book, where you've missed all the definitions as the author sees them. It will probably make more sense if you start here: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm05.htm
You will then (maybe) see were Mr. Eells is coming from.
QUOTE(senteami3 @ Apr 29 2006, 03:03 PM)
This is just a draft, but it keeps bugging me. If I remember something else, I will ad to it:
70th week of Daniel 2,520 days (7 biblical years)
Pre trib
---------
Peace treaty: marks countdown
1st 1,260 days
false peace
fase security
Short-lived prosperity
BEGIN 1,260 days or 180 weeks, or 7 symbolic days (Genesis 7:4; God told Noah that IN SEVEN DAYS, THE FLOOD WILL COME), or 7 symbolic weeks (7 x 7 = 49 days or 1 day for 1 year or 49 symbolic years
People drinking, eating, planting
.... as in the days of Lot
People drinking, eating, marrying,
.... as in the days of Noah
Mid trib
---------
Begin of last 1,260 days
or times, time and half a time
or 3 1/2 years (listed FIVE TIMES IN REVELATION!)
or 153 symbolic days
Symbolic Easter day
1st RAPTURE, code REVELATION 10;07 (Leviticus 25:8-9)
Begin 50th year = jubilee year, TRUMPET BLOWN 10th day of 7th month
Peace treaty broken
Bad ecomony
Antichrist sits in 3rd temple
thus revealing who is is
(only an unbeliever believes there is a need for a 3rd temple) We are God's temple!
2 witness prophecy in sackcloth for 1,260 days
144,000 Jews prophecy to Jewish people throughout the world
Mid trib + 40 (or 50?)days: Raptured people in glorified bodies minister for 40? or 50? days to the ones left behind (Jews and Gentiles alike)
Satan tries to persecute them, without success
After 40 (or 50?) days: glorified saints + new converts (Jews and Gentiles) raptured to Heaven, including the Jewish people the 144,000 Jews ministered unto.
Symbolic Pentecost day
Beginning of persecution
Satan persecutes the remnant who keeps the commandments (Rev 12)
MARK IS IMPOSED
People die rather than getting the mark (Rev 13; AFTER Rev 12 (chrono-logical)
More people saved (Gentiles and Jews)
Daniel 8:13-15 2,300 evenings and mornings Antichrist worshipped in temple
or 1,150 days
1,260 - 1,150 = 110 days = ? what will happen after these 1,150 days up until the 1,260th day of Great Trib?
End trib
---------
On the 111th day AFTER the end of Antichrist worship, the 2 witnesses raptured to heaven after laying dead for 3 1/2 days
THIS DAY is 2nd RAPTURE, code Revelation 11:11
2 witnesses raptured + Great TRibulation saints (Jews + Gentiles) + 144,000 Jews raptured
End of 153 symbolic days
(153 days after 10.07 is 11.11 and we know that 10:07 PM is minute - 153 of day, like a countdown who started at mid trib and ends 153 symbolic days later with the 2nd rapture, code Revelation 11.11)
half an hour silence
Last plagues on unbelievers
35 days (happy who waits 1,335 days)
[365 x 7] - [360 x 7] = 35, the Jews must count in gentile years? (35 = 5 days x 7 years) for the rest unsaved who refused the mark who will make it into millenium
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70th week of Daniel 2,520 days (7 biblical years)
Pre trib
---------
Peace treaty: marks countdown
1st 1,260 days
false peace
fase security
Short-lived prosperity
BEGIN 1,260 days or 180 weeks, or 7 symbolic days (Genesis 7:4; God told Noah that IN SEVEN DAYS, THE FLOOD WILL COME), or 7 symbolic weeks (7 x 7 = 49 days or 1 day for 1 year or 49 symbolic years
People drinking, eating, planting
.... as in the days of Lot
People drinking, eating, marrying,
.... as in the days of Noah
Mid trib
---------
Begin of last 1,260 days
or times, time and half a time
or 3 1/2 years (listed FIVE TIMES IN REVELATION!)
or 153 symbolic days
Symbolic Easter day
1st RAPTURE, code REVELATION 10;07 (Leviticus 25:8-9)
Begin 50th year = jubilee year, TRUMPET BLOWN 10th day of 7th month
Peace treaty broken
Bad ecomony
Antichrist sits in 3rd temple
thus revealing who is is
(only an unbeliever believes there is a need for a 3rd temple) We are God's temple!
2 witness prophecy in sackcloth for 1,260 days
144,000 Jews prophecy to Jewish people throughout the world
Mid trib + 40 (or 50?)days: Raptured people in glorified bodies minister for 40? or 50? days to the ones left behind (Jews and Gentiles alike)
Satan tries to persecute them, without success
After 40 (or 50?) days: glorified saints + new converts (Jews and Gentiles) raptured to Heaven, including the Jewish people the 144,000 Jews ministered unto.
Symbolic Pentecost day
Beginning of persecution
Satan persecutes the remnant who keeps the commandments (Rev 12)
MARK IS IMPOSED
People die rather than getting the mark (Rev 13; AFTER Rev 12 (chrono-logical)
More people saved (Gentiles and Jews)
Daniel 8:13-15 2,300 evenings and mornings Antichrist worshipped in temple
or 1,150 days
1,260 - 1,150 = 110 days = ? what will happen after these 1,150 days up until the 1,260th day of Great Trib?
End trib
---------
On the 111th day AFTER the end of Antichrist worship, the 2 witnesses raptured to heaven after laying dead for 3 1/2 days
THIS DAY is 2nd RAPTURE, code Revelation 11:11
2 witnesses raptured + Great TRibulation saints (Jews + Gentiles) + 144,000 Jews raptured
End of 153 symbolic days
(153 days after 10.07 is 11.11 and we know that 10:07 PM is minute - 153 of day, like a countdown who started at mid trib and ends 153 symbolic days later with the 2nd rapture, code Revelation 11.11)
half an hour silence
Last plagues on unbelievers
35 days (happy who waits 1,335 days)
[365 x 7] - [360 x 7] = 35, the Jews must count in gentile years? (35 = 5 days x 7 years) for the rest unsaved who refused the mark who will make it into millenium
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There will only be 2300 days as stated in Daniel of which 1040 were completed by the ministry of Christ. The second part comes with the ministry of Christ's two prophets who bring on the great tribulation. After Christ’s two prophet’s death and resurrection there will be another 75 days to the coming of Christ to finish the 70th week. However 45 days before the return of Christ the sealing of the two groups will be completed.
Charlie
QUOTE(Jack Lavictoire @ May 1 2006, 03:48 AM)
QUOTE(senteami3 @ Apr 29 2006, 05:03 PM)
(only an unbeliever believes there is a need for a 3rd temple) We are God's temple!
Daniel 8:13-15 2,300 evenings and mornings Antichrist worshipped in temple
Daniel 8:13-15 2,300 evenings and mornings Antichrist worshipped in temple
I couldn’t help but notice that you said that only unbelievers believe in a third temple and then you quoted Daniel 8:13-15 and added “Antichrist worshipped in temple”.
What temple?
You claim there isn’t going to be a third temple and yet you quote a scripture that talks about the antichrist being worshipped in a temple.
Man oh man… Open you’re eyes!
2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 NIV
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
The antichrist will come and to be sure he will set himself up in a man made temple proclaiming himself to be God – sometime later Christ will come. All eyes will see Him!
No temple huh!!!
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Hey Jack
Christ built the third and final temple. This is also the temple that the Thessalonians scripture is talking about. The evil ones have exchanged the truth for the lie and worshiped and served the creature in Christ's name. They have transformed the Holy Christ into a God made like corruptible man who will deliver sinners to heaven to rule in God's place. Their man made version of God and Christ is proclaiming their own excellence since that God and Christ do not exist. The anti-christ is already here and has been here longer than you and I have. They have built nations in their false God's name. In their false God's name they trample on the son of God and take up arms and destroy gloriously.
Charlie
Hi Senteame3,
This is very interesting. I printed to study it a little. Maybe you
can answer for me about the 153 symbolic days, Symbolic Easter.
Signet
PS
I just got the 153 fishes and I understand it is a rare, one of a kind, number
and I haven't fully wrapped my brain around that...and the generations or
dimension of the numberic structure that its implying...another riddle that's
time is coming...the deep things being revealed, wow!
Any insight you add will be wonderful to hear.
This is very interesting. I printed to study it a little. Maybe you
can answer for me about the 153 symbolic days, Symbolic Easter.
Signet
PS
I just got the 153 fishes and I understand it is a rare, one of a kind, number
and I haven't fully wrapped my brain around that...and the generations or
dimension of the numberic structure that its implying...another riddle that's
time is coming...the deep things being revealed, wow!
Any insight you add will be wonderful to hear.
First you must understand that this has been bogging me for a while, this tribulation-thing since people are more divided on that topic than on any other topic of the Bible.
Knowing God (for just 3 years
I do sincerely believe the Rapture theory/Tribulation is MUCH SIMPLER than commonly believed. It's a timeline, that's all. Like any timeline, you have several events who take place, each at its appointed time.153 IS the code number of the Rapture. I stands to reason that this code ties two raptures together, hence the appellation "symbolic 153 days". For that I use the Bible verse who says on the 10th day of the seventh month...
In the Bible you can calculate both ways: in our calendar and the Jewish calendar; just as you can read it on several levels. (No, not with the Muslim Calendar, these guys are for the wrong guy, yeah, the one who lives, errr... more to the south
)10th day of seventh month is 10 July. Since with God nothing is done for no reason, I believe that this date is meant. (again, symbolic date since Rapture day (s)not defined.
There are a lot of things going on in July, related to 153.
For instance, the date "seize juillet" (16 july) if A = 1, B = 2, C = 3... = 153
This is the only date in the whole year with the numeric of 153. So July must be important. July is harvest time!
July is 7th month. 7, divine number! 153 days + 7 months make a year!
After 31 July, there are... 153 days left in the year, see???
Symbolic Easter: first rapture (which I believe is meant in Revelation 10:7!)
Jesus ascended 3 times:
On Easter morning
On Easter evening
with the first group (the group of people whose tombs were opened at his death)
Symbolic Pentecost : (Second rapture, meant in Revelation 11:11)
the last time Jesus ascended
40 days later
Just an idea now... God tells us that when the 2 witnesses die, to wait 3 1/2 days and then the other rapture will take place. This is half a week! And Noah was told by God that the Flood would come... 1 week ahead (Noah's ark is a type of the first rapture). So Noah KNEW then (with 1 week in advance WHEN the Flood would come).
The same will be given to the believers, at mid trib: half a week notice.
We will know the season.
I am still searching... I don't mean I am right! It is true that some topic are just better left just read and no comment. I respect that. It's just that it is bogging me;
I wrote a book about the number 153 and I cannot stop thinking about it. Why? I don't know.
I have told God over and over that all I wanted is the truth. I am for short posts and to the point.
(hope this was not too long!) 
I believe that people are divided about the rapture (pre/mid/post trib) for a reason. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. There must be several raptures.
Here is a link:
http://www.cybertime.net/~ajgood/Ch5sheaves.html
QUOTE(Frek @ Apr 29 2006, 10:14 PM)
QUOTE(bonomike @ Apr 29 2006, 08:55 PM)
If you're interested in tribulation timelines, check this link out: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm03.htm)
I would be VERY interested to hear what all of you think of this writing. It uses numbers from Noah's day, as well as Daniel's day to come up with a timeline for Revelation. Best of all, the numbers equate perfectly in confirmation.
Prayerfully watching in Christ,
Mike
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I would be VERY interested to hear what all of you think of this writing. It uses numbers from Noah's day, as well as Daniel's day to come up with a timeline for Revelation. Best of all, the numbers equate perfectly in confirmation.
Prayerfully watching in Christ,
Mike
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I haven't read the entire article. I just don't have time tonight, and probably won't have time to read the whole thing until at least Monday. However, just in the first few paragraphs I have noticed several things that are very "iffy". The biggest of which is that the author fails to recognize that the rapture and return of the Lord are 2 different and distinct events. To use an example. In the OT there are many prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. Some portray a suffering Messiah and some portray a Kingly Messiah who restores Israel. What the religous leaders of Jesus's time failed to realize is that the OT was in fact showing that the Messiah coming to Israel happens in 2 stages. It is the same with the second coming. Some verses talk about the rapture and some talk about the literal day when Jesus will set his feet on the mount of Olives.
The author of that article has completely missed that point. To point out this mistake simply read the following quote from that article:
"(2 Pet.3:10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Obviously the heavens could not pass away or the earth burn up at the beginning or even the middle of the seven years or there would not be anybody here to have a tribulation! The resurrection and rapture could only be at the last day, here called the day of the Lord, which we will discuss presently."
So then the author supposes that the "Day of the Lord" is a literal 1 day in history. If you further go on to read the article you will see that he makes very carefull calculations as to exactly when this "day" is. Can you see that he contradicts himself in that the very verse he quotes to back up his argument says that the "day of the Lord" comes like a thief. If the "Day of the Lord" comes like a thief then how is it that we can literally pull out a calander and start counting the days until Jesus comes back? We even have 2 referrence points to count from: 1.) The confirming of the peace treaty for 7 years, and 2.) Anti-Christ entering the Temple and proclaiming himself God.
If you apply the authors logic, then when Jesus told us to be on watch because we don't know when he would come back wasn't really necessary. According to the authors logic then, we don't need to watch for Jesus, instead we should be watching for the Anti-Christ because he will come first before Jesus. May I humbly submit that the authors logic takes our eyes off of Jesus and the focus is watching for the Anti-Christ, for when the Anti-Christ comes then we can start counting the days down until Jesus comes back (which the author argues the rapture happens at the same time). Now the author doesn't outright state this but if you follow his logic this would be the conclusion. Just ask yourself, if the rapture happens on the last day of the tribulation then why on earth would we be watching for Jesus? We will then watch for the Anti-Christ for our hope would lie with him showing up on the scene first.
I have several other points I'd like to make but I simply do not have time this evening to do it justice. I will point out though that there are very good logical reasons to believe that the rapture + resurrection and the physical return of Jesus to the Mount of Olives are 2 very different events. Perhaps next week I will find time to point them out if this thread sees some debate.
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Hi,
I am very interested in hearing this. Please rest up.
Signet
QUOTE(senteami3 @ May 5 2006, 10:15 PM)
First you must understand that this has been bogging me for a while, this tribulation-thing since people are more divided on that topic than on any other topic of the Bible.
Knowing God (for just 3 years I do sincerely believe the Rapture theory/Tribulation is MUCH SIMPLER than commonly believed. It's a timeline, that's all. Like any timeline, you have several events who take place, each at its appointed time.
153 IS the code number of the Rapture. I stands to reason that this code ties two raptures together, hence the appellation "symbolic 153 days". For that I use the Bible verse who says on the 10th day of the seventh month...
In the Bible you can calculate both ways: in our calendar and the Jewish calendar; just as you can read it on several levels. (No, not with the Muslim Calendar, these guys are for the wrong guy, yeah, the one who lives, errr... more to the south )
10th day of seventh month is 10 July. Since with God nothing is done for no reason, I believe that this date is meant. (again, symbolic date since Rapture day (s)not defined.
There are a lot of things going on in July, related to 153.
For instance, the date "seize juillet" (16 july) if A = 1, B = 2, C = 3... = 153
This is the only date in the whole year with the numeric of 153. So July must be important. July is harvest time!
July is 7th month. 7, divine number! 153 days + 7 months make a year!
After 31 July, there are... 153 days left in the year, see???
Symbolic Easter: first rapture (which I believe is meant in Revelation 10:7!)
Jesus ascended 3 times:
On Easter morning
On Easter evening
with the first group (the group of people whose tombs were opened at his death)
Symbolic Pentecost : (Second rapture, meant in Revelation 11:11)
the last time Jesus ascended
40 days later
Just an idea now... God tells us that when the 2 witnesses die, to wait 3 1/2 days and then the other rapture will take place. This is half a week! And Noah was told by God that the Flood would come... 1 week ahead (Noah's ark is a type of the first rapture). So Noah KNEW then (with 1 week in advance WHEN the Flood would come).
The same will be given to the believers, at mid trib: half a week notice.
We will know the season.
I am still searching... I don't mean I am right! It is true that some topic are just better left just read and no comment. I respect that. It's just that it is bogging me;
I wrote a book about the number 153 and I cannot stop thinking about it. Why? I don't know.
I have told God over and over that all I wanted is the truth. I am for short posts and to the point. (hope this was not too long!)
I believe that people are divided about the rapture (pre/mid/post trib) for a reason. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. There must be several raptures.
Here is a link:
http://www.cybertime.net/~ajgood/Ch5sheaves.html
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Knowing God (for just 3 years
I do sincerely believe the Rapture theory/Tribulation is MUCH SIMPLER than commonly believed. It's a timeline, that's all. Like any timeline, you have several events who take place, each at its appointed time.153 IS the code number of the Rapture. I stands to reason that this code ties two raptures together, hence the appellation "symbolic 153 days". For that I use the Bible verse who says on the 10th day of the seventh month...
In the Bible you can calculate both ways: in our calendar and the Jewish calendar; just as you can read it on several levels. (No, not with the Muslim Calendar, these guys are for the wrong guy, yeah, the one who lives, errr... more to the south
)10th day of seventh month is 10 July. Since with God nothing is done for no reason, I believe that this date is meant. (again, symbolic date since Rapture day (s)not defined.
There are a lot of things going on in July, related to 153.
For instance, the date "seize juillet" (16 july) if A = 1, B = 2, C = 3... = 153
This is the only date in the whole year with the numeric of 153. So July must be important. July is harvest time!
July is 7th month. 7, divine number! 153 days + 7 months make a year!
After 31 July, there are... 153 days left in the year, see???
Symbolic Easter: first rapture (which I believe is meant in Revelation 10:7!)
Jesus ascended 3 times:
On Easter morning
On Easter evening
with the first group (the group of people whose tombs were opened at his death)
Symbolic Pentecost : (Second rapture, meant in Revelation 11:11)
the last time Jesus ascended
40 days later
Just an idea now... God tells us that when the 2 witnesses die, to wait 3 1/2 days and then the other rapture will take place. This is half a week! And Noah was told by God that the Flood would come... 1 week ahead (Noah's ark is a type of the first rapture). So Noah KNEW then (with 1 week in advance WHEN the Flood would come).
The same will be given to the believers, at mid trib: half a week notice.
We will know the season.
I am still searching... I don't mean I am right! It is true that some topic are just better left just read and no comment. I respect that. It's just that it is bogging me;
I wrote a book about the number 153 and I cannot stop thinking about it. Why? I don't know.
I have told God over and over that all I wanted is the truth. I am for short posts and to the point.
(hope this was not too long!) I believe that people are divided about the rapture (pre/mid/post trib) for a reason. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. There must be several raptures.
Here is a link:
http://www.cybertime.net/~ajgood/Ch5sheaves.html
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S3,
Very incredible...I think that the Spirit of God is all over you...that He is
pushing you...and you will come forth with a piece of the puzzle, part of
the riddle. I am just writing out loud, so to speak/type(smile) and I
wondered if this is part of where your thinking...Elijah went in the power
of God, in His chariot...dropped the mantle/anointing to Elisha. Elisha
was awake and alert and caught it...he too, walked with God and was no
more.
Let me know, ok?
Signet
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