If we live in the time of the laodicean church do we know the differance between the Gospel that was preached in new testiment times and todays church?
what is the possibility that we have our minds conditioned by Laodicean principals and mind set?
if we dont know the differance between the Gospels that have been preached we could easely be preaching a substandard Gospel
whats your thoughts on these Qs
Gary
Full Version: Do We Preach The Gospel Of The
Hi Gary,
I think I understand what your saying. I hear 3 different things here.
Witnessing, preaching, and teaching, based upon our faith, not traditions
lest we lead someone astray?
No worries, not all of that weight is on our shoulders...witnessing can be
silent...Holy Spirit can lead us to be loving and open minded, not
judgemental of others around us...that begs the question, then the
sharing of the our faith...can be as simple as I am going to pray about
that as an opening...that begs the question, then can be this is what
happened to me when I found Jesus...that begs the question...I fellowship at .... where do you go? ...you should check it out...
We toss in the seeds, someone else comes with the water, another
with the weed wacker, someone with mulch, someone with pruning
shears....guess who? Holy Spirit uses everything and everyone all of the
time to accomplish the will of the Father and point to Jesus! Yeah!
You my friend are not that church, but we do live in that neighborhood
at this time.
Remember, God knows exactly the nature of every person and the
exact timing of their salvation, who to send, where, when, why,
what happened, didn't happen, broken, empty. God knows the nature
of our sins and what it will take to bring us to a realization of our need
for Him.
It sounds to me from what I have read here that you may be called
as an intercessor. Burdened for the care of others...then my brother
begin! And may signs and wonders follow you, and "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Galations 5:16
Blessings,
Signet
I think I understand what your saying. I hear 3 different things here.
Witnessing, preaching, and teaching, based upon our faith, not traditions
lest we lead someone astray?
No worries, not all of that weight is on our shoulders...witnessing can be
silent...Holy Spirit can lead us to be loving and open minded, not
judgemental of others around us...that begs the question, then the
sharing of the our faith...can be as simple as I am going to pray about
that as an opening...that begs the question, then can be this is what
happened to me when I found Jesus...that begs the question...I fellowship at .... where do you go? ...you should check it out...
We toss in the seeds, someone else comes with the water, another
with the weed wacker, someone with mulch, someone with pruning
shears....guess who? Holy Spirit uses everything and everyone all of the
time to accomplish the will of the Father and point to Jesus! Yeah!
You my friend are not that church, but we do live in that neighborhood
at this time.
Remember, God knows exactly the nature of every person and the
exact timing of their salvation, who to send, where, when, why,
what happened, didn't happen, broken, empty. God knows the nature
of our sins and what it will take to bring us to a realization of our need
for Him.
It sounds to me from what I have read here that you may be called
as an intercessor. Burdened for the care of others...then my brother
begin! And may signs and wonders follow you, and "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Galations 5:16
Blessings,
Signet
this forum is wonder-ful.
love,
bz
love,
bz
QUOTE(blindzebra @ Apr 27 2006, 09:08 PM)
this forum is wonder-ful.
love,
bz
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love,
bz
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Here is a link for an article on this topic.
Link
I believe that we control our relationship with God by how much we honor him by listening to his Word and acting upon it.
I've said for many years that attitude is nothing more than the angle at which we look at the Light of God.
BTW, I'm not promoting this site as anything other than a reference point. My views are mine, not those of an organization or group.
Gary, I believe GOD is moving many Christians out of the church, off the padded pews and into other areas where people need the ministry brought to them. This forum is one of them. I praise GOD for all that are called into this ministry.
It is about JESUS, not about me. PRAISE GOD, I got that message a long time ago.
The Bible tells us to study thyself to shew thyself approved. So in personal study, I have learned much more that sitting on a padded pew in a church. We are called to study the WORD and to know if what we hear and read is sound doctrine being given to us. We are also called, to not change GOD'S WORD; to fit what we think it is, but are to know HIS WORD and to hide it in our hearts.
When we live according to HIS WILL, other's will know we are HIS children, by our love.
Praise GOD for all that HE does through each of us!
For me to be a part of a church that is neither hot nor cold, puts the fear of GOD in me. I don't want to be spewed out of GOD'S mouth, for not doing HIS WILL. I want to hear the words, "WELL DONE, thy good and faithful servant!"
So to answer your question, it is up to each of us individaully and corporately to be completely in line with HIS WORD, and to do HIS WILL.
If we are not, in GOD'S Perfect WILL, then we will hear, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
It is about JESUS, not about me. PRAISE GOD, I got that message a long time ago.
The Bible tells us to study thyself to shew thyself approved. So in personal study, I have learned much more that sitting on a padded pew in a church. We are called to study the WORD and to know if what we hear and read is sound doctrine being given to us. We are also called, to not change GOD'S WORD; to fit what we think it is, but are to know HIS WORD and to hide it in our hearts.
When we live according to HIS WILL, other's will know we are HIS children, by our love.
Praise GOD for all that HE does through each of us!
For me to be a part of a church that is neither hot nor cold, puts the fear of GOD in me. I don't want to be spewed out of GOD'S mouth, for not doing HIS WILL. I want to hear the words, "WELL DONE, thy good and faithful servant!"
So to answer your question, it is up to each of us individaully and corporately to be completely in line with HIS WORD, and to do HIS WILL.
If we are not, in GOD'S Perfect WILL, then we will hear, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Apr 28 2006, 12:49 AM)
Gary, I believe GOD is moving many Christians out of the church, off the padded pews and into other areas where people need the ministry brought to them. This forum is one of them. I praise GOD for all that are called into this ministry.
It is about JESUS, not about me. PRAISE GOD, I got that message a long time ago.
The Bible tells us to study thyself to shew thyself approved. So in personal study, I have learned much more that sitting on a padded pew in a church. We are called to study the WORD and to know if what we hear and read is sound doctrine being given to us. We are also called, to not change GOD'S WORD; to fit what we think it is, but are to know HIS WORD and to hide it in our hearts.
When we live according to HIS WILL, other's will know we are HIS children, by our love.
Praise GOD for all that HE does through each of us!
For me to be a part of a church that is neither hot nor cold, puts the fear of GOD in me. I don't want to be spewed out of GOD'S mouth, for not doing HIS WILL. I want to hear the words, "WELL DONE, thy good and faithful servant!"
So to answer your question, it is up to each of us individaully and corporately to be completely in line with HIS WORD, and to do HIS WILL.
If we are not, in GOD'S Perfect WILL, then we will hear, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
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It is about JESUS, not about me. PRAISE GOD, I got that message a long time ago.
The Bible tells us to study thyself to shew thyself approved. So in personal study, I have learned much more that sitting on a padded pew in a church. We are called to study the WORD and to know if what we hear and read is sound doctrine being given to us. We are also called, to not change GOD'S WORD; to fit what we think it is, but are to know HIS WORD and to hide it in our hearts.
When we live according to HIS WILL, other's will know we are HIS children, by our love.
Praise GOD for all that HE does through each of us!
For me to be a part of a church that is neither hot nor cold, puts the fear of GOD in me. I don't want to be spewed out of GOD'S mouth, for not doing HIS WILL. I want to hear the words, "WELL DONE, thy good and faithful servant!"
So to answer your question, it is up to each of us individaully and corporately to be completely in line with HIS WORD, and to do HIS WILL.
If we are not, in GOD'S Perfect WILL, then we will hear, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
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The goodness of God leads us to Repentance, again the mercy of God He will do that which is needed to get us in line with His word cos He is just fantastic in His Great and wonderful Love towards us all
I would say that the Laodicean Church is like Abrahams Wife Sarah she so old that she just aint got the tools to bear a child and Spiritualy the Laodicean church cant bear any children because they have no longer sound teaching that would bring those in it to the measure and stature of Jesus
But God is able to revive and make them young again just like he did with Sarah
within 3 months Sarah went from being 90 to about 35-40 in her body
could it be a sign of what God will do with the Laodicean Church
with God all things are possible there might be life in the old Girl Yet
after all she has had a role in our birth, we are born out of Her so in a sence she is our dear old mum who is past her prime and i wouldnt like to see anything bad happen to me Dear old mum just because shes past her sell by date
QUOTE(Signet @ Apr 27 2006, 09:59 PM)
Hi Gary,
I think I understand what your saying. I hear 3 different things here.
Witnessing, preaching, and teaching, based upon our faith, not traditions
lest we lead someone astray?
No worries, not all of that weight is on our shoulders...witnessing can be
silent...Holy Spirit can lead us to be loving and open minded, not
judgemental of others around us...that begs the question, then the
sharing of the our faith...can be as simple as I am going to pray about
that as an opening...that begs the question, then can be this is what
happened to me when I found Jesus...that begs the question...I fellowship at .... where do you go? ...you should check it out...
We toss in the seeds, someone else comes with the water, another
with the weed wacker, someone with mulch, someone with pruning
shears....guess who? Holy Spirit uses everything and everyone all of the
time to accomplish the will of the Father and point to Jesus! Yeah!
You my friend are not that church, but we do live in that neighborhood
at this time.
Remember, God knows exactly the nature of every person and the
exact timing of their salvation, who to send, where, when, why,
what happened, didn't happen, broken, empty. God knows the nature
of our sins and what it will take to bring us to a realization of our need
for Him.
It sounds to me from what I have read here that you may be called
as an intercessor. Burdened for the care of others...then my brother
begin! And may signs and wonders follow you, and "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Galations 5:16
Blessings,
Signet
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I think I understand what your saying. I hear 3 different things here.
Witnessing, preaching, and teaching, based upon our faith, not traditions
lest we lead someone astray?
No worries, not all of that weight is on our shoulders...witnessing can be
silent...Holy Spirit can lead us to be loving and open minded, not
judgemental of others around us...that begs the question, then the
sharing of the our faith...can be as simple as I am going to pray about
that as an opening...that begs the question, then can be this is what
happened to me when I found Jesus...that begs the question...I fellowship at .... where do you go? ...you should check it out...
We toss in the seeds, someone else comes with the water, another
with the weed wacker, someone with mulch, someone with pruning
shears....guess who? Holy Spirit uses everything and everyone all of the
time to accomplish the will of the Father and point to Jesus! Yeah!
You my friend are not that church, but we do live in that neighborhood
at this time.
Remember, God knows exactly the nature of every person and the
exact timing of their salvation, who to send, where, when, why,
what happened, didn't happen, broken, empty. God knows the nature
of our sins and what it will take to bring us to a realization of our need
for Him.
It sounds to me from what I have read here that you may be called
as an intercessor. Burdened for the care of others...then my brother
begin! And may signs and wonders follow you, and "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Galations 5:16
Blessings,
Signet
[right][snapback]57559[/snapback][/right]
The kind of Gospel we preach is shaped by our understanding of true biblical teachings
The Laodiceans reverlation of the truth of many teachings is at best limited so they are unable to preach a full and true Gospel
a limited Gospel = limited power = limited effect on the world = limited harvest
where as a Full of Truth Gospel = full power of the Holy Spirit = Full power effect on the World = Full havests
Gary
QUOTE(gary steed @ Apr 28 2006, 03:35 PM)
The kind of Gospel we preach is shaped by our understanding of true biblical teachings
The Laodiceans reverlation of the truth of many teachings is at best limited so they are unable to preach a full and true Gospel
a limited Gospel = limited power = limited effect on the world = limited harvest
where as a Full of Truth Gospel = full power of the Holy Spirit = Full power effect on the World = Full havests
Gary
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Gary,
This is very true. What we preach is definitely determined by what we understand--we can't have something come out of our mouth very often that we didn't know before we opened our mouth. But no matter what comes out of our mouth, it is not US who really do the preaching or the teaching. It is the Holy Spirit who does the teaching and the preaching and the reaching and the "converting" and the changing of the person's heart so that they desire to know the Lord.
No matter how well you know the scriptures and no matter how eloquently you speak, if you don't speak it by the spirit, the person won't receive it in a life-changing way. The Spirit has to do that job. The Spirit has to touch their heart. You have to have that with you to begin with. It's not you who will reach the person for the Lord. You're just the telephone line between the person and the Spirit, and hopefully they will hear and be receptive and their heart will be touched. Some people have ears but cannot hear, because they don't receive what the Spirit is telling them. They deny it and reject it.
I'm not saying that what we teach isn't important--it is. I'm just saying that unless it's conveyed to the other person by the Holy Spirit, they're probably not going to be taught.
QUOTE(shy1 @ Apr 28 2006, 11:47 PM)
QUOTE(gary steed @ Apr 28 2006, 03:35 PM)
The kind of Gospel we preach is shaped by our understanding of true biblical teachings
The Laodiceans reverlation of the truth of many teachings is at best limited so they are unable to preach a full and true Gospel
a limited Gospel = limited power = limited effect on the world = limited harvest
where as a Full of Truth Gospel = full power of the Holy Spirit = Full power effect on the World = Full havests
Gary
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Gary,
This is very true. What we preach is definitely determined by what we understand--we can't have something come out of our mouth very often that we didn't know before we opened our mouth. But no matter what comes out of our mouth, it is not US who really do the preaching or the teaching. It is the Holy Spirit who does the teaching and the preaching and the reaching and the "converting" and the changing of the person's heart so that they desire to know the Lord.
No matter how well you know the scriptures and no matter how eloquently you speak, if you don't speak it by the spirit, the person won't receive it in a life-changing way. The Spirit has to do that job. The Spirit has to touch their heart. You have to have that with you to begin with. It's not you who will reach the person for the Lord. You're just the telephone line between the person and the Spirit, and hopefully they will hear and be receptive and their heart will be touched. Some people have ears but cannot hear, because they don't receive what the Spirit is telling them. They deny it and reject it.
I'm not saying that what we teach isn't important--it is. I'm just saying that unless it's conveyed to the other person by the Holy Spirit, they're probably not going to be taught.
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The more the human mind is converted by the Holy Spirit into knowing and understanding biblical Truth the more as Jesus they are
The apostle Paul was as Christ he was full of TRUTH
thanks for your post Shy1
Gary
If we are in a church that is neither hot nor cold shouldn't we then light a fire?
One on fire can set the church a blaze! Amen?
Gary l like your thinking!
One on fire can set the church a blaze! Amen?
Gary l like your thinking!
I havent read the whole topic but yes, this age is DEFINITELY the church of laodicea.
Jesus stands knocking. Very few open the door. most put a lock on it.
Godbless
Jesus stands knocking. Very few open the door. most put a lock on it.
Godbless
QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 29 2006, 11:52 AM)
If we are in a church that is neither hot nor cold shouldn't we then light a fire?
One on fire can set the church a blaze! Amen?
Gary l like your thinking!
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One on fire can set the church a blaze! Amen?
Gary l like your thinking!
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Yes... this is the Laodicean age.
We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 29 2006, 06:52 AM)
If we are in a church that is neither hot nor cold shouldn't we then light a fire?
One on fire can set the church a blaze! Amen?
Gary l like your thinking!
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One on fire can set the church a blaze! Amen?
Gary l like your thinking!
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Just what I was thinking Miki...just love it when "ya' thinking something" and whammo...confirmation! When many years ago I was involved in a very legalistic church, like almost cult like"....The Lord showed me a vision in that church that would lead to it's splitting...He showed me "if I lit the light of Grace upon that church "HE" would bring a forest fire...and that HE did, one little spark can light a whole forest, and that be the truth!
And, me too Gary...
your sis, hannah 
PS I just read the last post...yes, I do think this old world "has put a padlock on the Lord" and in more ways than one...
QUOTE(jhamner @ Apr 29 2006, 08:26 AM)
Yes... this is the Laodicean age.
We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
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We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
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One more thing, I am on fire for God because I LOVE Him, and although I fear him because of my lifes suffering, God tells me over and over not to fear. I think its this socalled ''uncompromising'' gospel that makes Jesus say all those things about the laodicean church. just talking about myself I am lonely but I know God has said that NONE of the people, whether on internet or outside, are called to reject me. And I get so often rejected for not having their doctrine or saying one tiny offensive word. rejected in the name of God. How have we fallen! We care about socalled truths which often are not truths at all, more than the people for whom those truths are given to us! Like Jehovahs witnesses my dad used to get at the door. He has been through hell as well and because they preached crap on not drinking beer and having no sex before marriage, instead of the Cross, they risked losing a soul for God thinking God cares more about these false truths of theres, as there is nothing wrong with drinking beer and sex before marriage (ill probably get murdered for saying that
) than God cares about my dads soul. result? Hes now married to a witch, does not go to church out of pride and fear because they only make one feel guilty, and I have been sexually abused among other ways because of His unbelief and cowardice. so much for no sex before marriage, thank you very much Jehovahs Witnesses. These Jehovahs witnesses were my dads friends by the way. God pulled them in order to pull my dad but they totally screwed up on Gods will.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the Grace Christ brought.
They became a bunch of lawfollowers instead of freedom in the Spirit of Gods Love. and because of pushing their law over Gods love, they are responsible for breaking the law as this sexual abuse of mine should not ever have had to happen if only the told what the Spirit wanted them to say:Jesus loves you, come to us and accept Gods grace, so that you can will stand Holy before God without having to do anything but believe.
(not saying my dad is not a sinner of course he was called to join them anyway but still)
QUOTE(Joeri(male) @ Apr 29 2006, 10:34 AM)
QUOTE(jhamner @ Apr 29 2006, 08:26 AM)
Yes... this is the Laodicean age.
We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
[right][snapback]57889[/snapback][/right]
We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
[right][snapback]57889[/snapback][/right]
One more thing, I am on fire for God because I LOVE Him, and although I fear him because of my lifes suffering, God tells me over and over not to fear. I think its this socalled ''uncompromising'' gospel that makes Jesus say all those things about the laodicean church. just talking about myself I am lonely but I know God has said that NONE of the people, whether on internet or outside, are called to reject me. And I get so often rejected for not having their doctrine or saying one tiny offensive word. rejected in the name of God. How have we fallen! We care about socalled truths which often are not truths at all, more than the people for whom those truths are given to us! Like Jehovahs witnesses my dad used to get at the door. He has been through hell as well and because they preached crap on not drinking beer and having no sex before marriage, instead of the Cross, they risked losing a soul for God thinking God cares more about these false truths of theres, as there is nothing wrong with drinking beer and sex before marriage (ill probably get murdered for saying that
) than God cares about my dads soul. result? Hes now married to a witch, does not go to church out of pride and fear because they only make one feel guilty, and I have been sexually abused among other ways because of His unbelief and cowardice. so much for no sex before marriage, thank you very much Jehovahs Witnesses. These Jehovahs witnesses were my dads friends by the way. God pulled them in order to pull my dad but they totally screwed up on Gods will.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the Grace Christ brought.
They became a bunch of lawfollowers instead of freedom in the Spirit of Gods Love. and because of pushing their law over Gods love, they are responsible for breaking the law as this sexual abuse of mine should not ever have had to happen if only the told what the Spirit wanted them to say:Jesus loves you, come to us and accept Gods grace, so that you can will stand Holy before God without having to do anything but believe.
(not saying my dad is not a sinner of course he was called to join them anyway but still)
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I see the points you are making and there is a lot of rubish that is tought as truth and many religeous groups preach some form of law as a way to please God but as you say God is not interested about people trying to keep a few laws to please Him
It is first and formost That a person opens there Heart to Jesus and then the Holy Spirit leads a person to a new life. He does not force us to do anything we dont want to He doesnt stop anyone smoking a spliff or having a beer or a line of coke
or going off with the local hooker he wont stop us if that is what we are determind to do
Having said all that we will have to give account of ourselves and it is wise to remember that Judgement is comming on the world and if we do the same as them will we not also be judged for doing the same
we are indeed free to do as we please and knowing Gods Great love for us which sets us free to serve and please Him as the Holy Spirit Helps us and enables us
Much Love
Gary
QUOTE(Joeri(male) @ Apr 29 2006, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE(jhamner @ Apr 29 2006, 08:26 AM)
Yes... this is the Laodicean age.
We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
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We have a "feel good" gospel... and in a lot of churches prophecy and judgement are completely left out of most sermons. Some are not believing in a literal interpretation of the Word anymore.
All of these false ideas lead to a very luke warm church. I mean, who would be on fire for God if there is no real "fear" of God????
Churches have basketball night, ladies luncheon, all kinds of classes... but what I fail to see time and time again in a lot of churches is true discipleship where people can be straight about their sins and hangups, where groups are really "inside" the word, and where the whole congregation lets loose and really worships God with utter abandon.
I've visted a lot of churches in search of a "great church". There just aren't that many out there because so many of us (myself included) worry too much about other things and are too disinterested in what Jesus wants and what He is doing.
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One more thing, I am on fire for God because I LOVE Him, and although I fear him because of my lifes suffering, God tells me over and over not to fear. I think its this socalled ''uncompromising'' gospel that makes Jesus say all those things about the laodicean church. just talking about myself I am lonely but I know God has said that NONE of the people, whether on internet or outside, are called to reject me. And I get so often rejected for not having their doctrine or saying one tiny offensive word. rejected in the name of God. How have we fallen! We care about socalled truths which often are not truths at all, more than the people for whom those truths are given to us! Like Jehovahs witnesses my dad used to get at the door. He has been through hell as well and because they preached crap on not drinking beer and having no sex before marriage, instead of the Cross, they risked losing a soul for God thinking God cares more about these false truths of theres, as there is nothing wrong with drinking beer and sex before marriage (ill probably get murdered for saying that
) than God cares about my dads soul. result? Hes now married to a witch, does not go to church out of pride and fear because they only make one feel guilty, and I have been sexually abused among other ways because of His unbelief and cowardice. so much for no sex before marriage, thank you very much Jehovahs Witnesses. These Jehovahs witnesses were my dads friends by the way. God pulled them in order to pull my dad but they totally screwed up on Gods will.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the Grace Christ brought.
They became a bunch of lawfollowers instead of freedom in the Spirit of Gods Love. and because of pushing their law over Gods love, they are responsible for breaking the law as this sexual abuse of mine should not ever have had to happen if only the told what the Spirit wanted them to say:Jesus loves you, come to us and accept Gods grace, so that you can will stand Holy before God without having to do anything but believe.
(not saying my dad is not a sinner of course he was called to join them anyway but still)
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Joeri you need time to heal...
Not that it will make you feel any better but the catholics have a fair amount under their belts too.
I know what you are saying....Let the JW's doctrine blow like dust across the road of your life...and then shake it from your feet.
Work on forgivness and vent before the Lord...He will heal you counsel and deliver you...
QUOTE(Jack Lavictoire @ May 1 2006, 10:13 AM)
1 Corinthians 1:22-24
Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
If you preach that The Son of God (Jesus The Lord God) came in the flesh to reconcile us to God The Father through the cross then you’re preaching the true Gospel. The message of God is one of LOVE and HOLINESS! If someone is preaching a different Jesus then the one who is found in THE HOLY SCRIPTURES that person is a thief and a liar. The message of God is one of HOPE. Let those who have no HOPE come to HIM!
If you preach that God is going to take all you’re troubles away and hand you the pleasures of this age you’re a thief and a liar. May God have mercy on your soul.
Jesus is not a ticket out of Hell.
Jesus is to be LOVED.
Salvation is not giving to those who don’t LOVE Jesus.
Happy feelings have nothing to do with it.
To LOVE God is to obey Him. This is LOVE towards God, to obey Him.
If you’re preaching that Jesus Saves and then loses those who belong to HIM you’re a thief and a liar. May God have mercy on your soul.
If you do not forgive those who have harmed you, may God have mercy on your soul.
We are to preach that Jesus is Lord!
Almighty God!
Holy and True!
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Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
If you preach that The Son of God (Jesus The Lord God) came in the flesh to reconcile us to God The Father through the cross then you’re preaching the true Gospel. The message of God is one of LOVE and HOLINESS! If someone is preaching a different Jesus then the one who is found in THE HOLY SCRIPTURES that person is a thief and a liar. The message of God is one of HOPE. Let those who have no HOPE come to HIM!
If you preach that God is going to take all you’re troubles away and hand you the pleasures of this age you’re a thief and a liar. May God have mercy on your soul.
Jesus is not a ticket out of Hell.
Jesus is to be LOVED.
Salvation is not giving to those who don’t LOVE Jesus.
Happy feelings have nothing to do with it.
To LOVE God is to obey Him. This is LOVE towards God, to obey Him.
If you’re preaching that Jesus Saves and then loses those who belong to HIM you’re a thief and a liar. May God have mercy on your soul.
If you do not forgive those who have harmed you, may God have mercy on your soul.
We are to preach that Jesus is Lord!
Almighty God!
Holy and True!
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Amen
The everlasting Gospel is everlasting so we will always be learning somting New about the everlasting Gospel that we didnt know befor
Peace and Love to you all
Gary
Gosh...I must have missed something here? How can we go from caring about a brother to being a thief and a liar? 
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when we consider all the differant prophetic words that have been spoken, some are left handed prophecys some are right handed prophecys they each have a job to do two hands are better than one and many hands make light work
Gary
Gary
QUOTE(gary steed @ May 1 2006, 06:53 PM)
when we consider all the differant prophetic words that have been spoken, some are left handed prophecys some are right handed prophecys they each have a job to do two hands are better than one and many hands make light work
Gary
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1 Cor. 14:1
Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
When Moses was told that two of the men of the 70 who moses had laid His hands on, were prophecying in the camp, Moses hoped that there would of been more
Paul and Moses both knew that the more prophets there are the better for the work of the ministry
Rev. 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
QUOTE(Miki @ May 1 2006, 05:54 PM)
Gosh...I must have missed something here? How can we go from caring about a brother to being a thief and a liar? ??
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''Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.''
''Revelation 16:15
"Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."''
''Matthew 24:43
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.''
''Proverbs 6:30
Men do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his hunger when he is starving.''
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