Have we been blinded Spiritualy by the wicked one into speaking a Gospel of death rather than a Gospel of Life

It is the work of the Holy Spirit to Give the unbeliever the Gift of faith so they can believe on Jesus Christ

Why is the Holy Spirit not Doing His part?

Could it be because the message they are being told is not fully True?

it stands to reason if the message isnt True the Holy Spirit will Not witness to it by giving the Gift of Faith

I have preached that word often and it is scriptural. But someone usually hits you with the unreasoned doubt of you get what you say...nonetheless it is true....

Pro 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; [and] with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. Pro 18:21 Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

we hear people say all the time that umbeleivers are condemed to hell

its taken me a while to narrow it down little by little, by condeming unbelievers it eliminates the need to tell them the Truth, they are just written off

if new believers are not being added to our numbers it wont be the fault of the Holy Spirit or the unbeliever it will be the fault of us believersb and we will have to give an acount wont we

Gary

No Christian has blood on their hands if they speak about Jesus to a non-believer. If they reject that Truth, then it is their own fault for not believing. If you have an opportunity and you keep your mouth closed (which we have all been guilty of at times) that's where the trouble would be, regarding the Christian.

If they reject Christ, as the Bible says, they are condemned already.

please give a little time for my words to ferment into understanding, it has taken me several days of serching for this truth to come to light, what im saying is so subtle and the measurement so fine if you dont give it time it is easely writen off

Thank

Gary

What exactly are you looking for here? This is not easily written off, but not exactly hard to understand either, if anyone takes a moment to read into what you are saying. There is a point to what you say about condemning unbelievers and about them being "written off" which would make it easier per se, in the regard that we as Christians are already safe, so why have to deal with it. Of course, if we went through life with that attitude, we would most likely have to give account for it.

My point is that if we DO relate the gospels, there would be NO guilt upon our heads. This is Biblical. Many have hardened hearts and you cannot force the Gospels down people's throats. Our job, if you will, is to relate the Saving Grace Of Christ. It is by their choice as to whether they reject or accept it.

On the same side of the coin, this isn't a contest to see how many we can bring into the fold. Yes, we all want as many to be saved as possible and we can only do what we can do.

It is not subtle in this respect: We vocalize Jesus ....no blood on our hands

We Have the opportunity and we don't, we will indeed, I imagine have to give account, BUT we are saved from our guilt by believing in Jesus, so quite frankly I'm guessing perhaps a reward or two would be lost for our not responding with the Gospel when asked to or needed.

I'm sure there's no scorecard being taken here. If you're asking if we are responsible for people that reject Christ that we don't have or can't possibly have contact with, I would argue that that would be insane. If someone in Thailand chooses to reject Christ, I shouldn't have to give an account for his fool choice.

what youve said Brother is perfect and great spot on

what im saying is that the Holy Spirit is the one who inplants the Gift of faith in the unbeliever, but He will only witness to a perfectly True word Gospel

We must preach a Perfect Gospel for the Holy Spirit to do His part, and then we will reap many souls only when its done right

Gary

what youve said Brother is perfect and great spot on

what im saying is that the Holy Spirit is the one who inplants the Gift of faith in the unbeliever, but He will only witness to a perfectly True word Gospel

We must preach a Perfect Gospel for the Holy Spirit to do His part, and then we will reap many souls only when its done right

Gary


Explain, please...what you mean by a Perfect Gospel.

I don't think the Bible uses that phrase. We can only preach the Word. No act of man can be perfect, therefore preaching the perfect Gospel is simple. Let the Word of God speak to the heart of others.

You aren't capable of improving on the perfection of the Word, so why try?

To think that a person can improve upon the Word of God is a trap, filled with pride and sin.

Before you fret over preaching the perfect Gospel, look at each individual letter of the Hebrew Alphabet and be comforted that God has given us a perfect device, his divine letters to reach others with.

Don't fear imperfection, live with the knowledge that only God is perfect. Don't worry that you aren't worthy of redemption, only God can make you worthy, and he has already done so by giving man, his son.

A perfect Gospel is the one that is preached in the power of the Holy Spirit
That by definition would be a Perfect Gospel

If we done a servay around the unbeleivers and asked them what they beileive the message is about Christian teaching, there reaction would give us a clue as to what type of Gospel has been preached

Im not trying to pefect what is already perfect im trying to get back to the right understanding of the Truth of the Gospel

Ephes. 6:19
And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,


given that it is one of the mysterys that the apostle paul wrote about, i for many years have had a burden to seek and define the depth lenth and breth of this mystery of the Gospel, for i know that the more reverlation is made known by the Holy Spirit cocerning this mystery the more power will be made manifest to the body of Christ and to those in the world
Rev. 3:14-19
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; [15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. [16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. [17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: [18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

we are most likly living in this Church age so what Gospel do they make known?

in the anointing of the Holy Spirit in the serch to find the truth that makes free the Laodiceans Preach a Gospel that is not hot nor cold, they are not fully in one covenant or the other they are half in each. so what empowerd the new testiment has faded away they no longer have the power of the new testiment Gospel because it has been blended with the first covenant

my Heart motive is not of pride or sin but to serve Jesus the body of Christ and my family and myself

but i do take your point about useing the word perfect it can be missunderstood

so thank you and may the Lord bless you Greatly

Gary

Nice to hear from you Jack im just about over the scare you gave me

iv been norrowing this down for several days now to get to the truth we will end up preaching a more revealing Gospel than they did in the time of the new testiment, which when released by the Holy Spirit will have a greater and more powerful effect than was manifested in there day,

as with all thing we have to wait on the Lord and trust that he will gracefully refine our thinking and renew us in His power

Love ya still

Gary

Beautifully put. Just beautiful Triana.

I have a word today and it is THANKFUL

You see my avatar guitar playing cat ran away after we watched
Jack's spooky post, so a dear brother on this forum
sent me a pretty flower.

So I am thankful to him for thinking of me and doing such
a kind and thoughtful thing.

Do you want to be mentioned Humble Bob.
Of for goodness sake I already said your name.
Well since your name is out.

I want to say THANK YOU,
You are a very dear brother in Christ to me-to all of us

love,
rosie

In general... I shy away from man trying to control things.

To try and reach any kind of perfection is a form of control. I also think that this kind of thinking wreaks of other world religions (the "perfect" sacrament, nirvana, etc.).

I will never claim to be perfect- and I know that the Holy Spirit uses flawed human beings with flawed thinking all the time to win those to Christ. A person's theology and doctorine may be a bit off- but God can still use him or her. I don't want to put God in a box.

Maybe because I am a practical kind of gal, but I try not to trip over the small details. I witness, use the Word, and trust God to provide the increase.

You are right in that there is life and death in the tongue. I submit, however, that even a seed of the Word in a heart that is filled with utter darkness is enough. Heck, I think God can even use an unbeliever to witness to someone.

Don't know.... just thinking outloud here.

Ok Sister no worries (paul hogan) Mick Dundee

in part im trying to provoke us all to re examin our thinking on the Gospel

if our taste buds were not working fully from birth we wouldnt even know the differance

likewise we are tought things about the bible that have been around for years so we tend not to look to closely at the teachings that have been accepted, and being human we dont like to rock the boat

we can chose to relook or not yet The Gospel in its fullest is the power of God unto Salvation.

it would pay us all to re examin where we stand on this

Gary

Praise God for you. I love the fact that God has included so many people with all different giftings in His family. Without eachother, there would be no balance.

You work your GIFT Gary! Bless the LORD!

That's exactly what I was trying to say in another thread--one of your threads. You beat me to it!