PROFESSOR: HE'S MAD AND VERY DANGEROUS
By Bob Roberts, Deputy Political Editor

GEORGE W Bush shows all the signs of being a paranoid schizophrenic, a leading psychiatrist claims today.

Prof Justin Frank said the president is a danger to the world because he actually believes he is all-powerful and beyond the law.

His book Bush on the Couch, written after studying his medical records and behaviour, argues that the US leader has a condition common in schizophrenics - megalomania. He thinks the condition could drive him to invent then destroy enemies to demonstrate his power.

Prof Frank said: "The defining characteristic of megalomania is the need, driven by internal fear of persecution, to pinpoint then annihilate all persecutors perceived as outside threats."

The psychiatrist at George Washington University in Washington DC said: "Behind Bush's affable exterior operates a powerful but obscure delusional system that drives his behaviour."

He blames his mental state on his untreated alcoholism as a youth, his fundamentalist religious beliefs and his love-hate relationship with his former president dad George Bush senior.

Prof Frank said it had created an individual living in his own inner world largely "untroubled by external reality". Psychologist Oliver James said: "Frank leads us to the conclusion that the most powerful man in the world is only a short skip away from being completely mad."

Some interesting events and behaviors in the life of George Bush that literally crawl with clues:

The loss of his sister, and not being told she died until after the fact. (Guilt?)

Putting firecrackers up the behinds of bull frogs and lighting the firecracker. (Psychopathic?)

His temper tantrums on the golf course. (Infantile? Can't get his own way.)

Following his mother's advice not to use the same word over and over, he gets a Thesaurus to find another word for tears. He adds to his essay, "The lacerates came streaming down her face." (Learning disability?)

Telling a college professor that the poor are lazy, and wish to remain that way. (Limited thought processes?)

As governor he presided over more executions, more than any other in the state's history. One was a woman who had been domestically abused by her husband for eighteen years. Even prominent religious leaders pleaded on her behalf. George let her die. (Again, psychopathic?)

As governor he received another plea from a murderer to have her execution stayed. He play-acted a woman pleading for her life, to a stunned (conservative) commentator named Tucker Carlson. (Again, really psychopathic?)

His rather simple and linear thinking. Responding to the question why terrorists hate us, he said, "They hate our freedoms." (Inability to think in complex abstracts?)

George cannot read the line: ".... shame on me." The type was quite clear. His inability to admit a mistake. George Bush has still failed to admit any major mistake since he took office. (Rigid?)

George has trouble speaking English properly. "Is our children learning?" (Again, learning disability?)

He blames others for what goes wrong, particularly the media. (Projects his limitations onto others?)

He has not attended any funerals for servicemen or women killed in action. (Inability to feel compassion?)

Arrested for vagrancy and drunk driving. (Alcoholism?)

Holds a basic belief that he is superior to others, that his position is a birthright. (Narcisstic?)

Trying to emulate Daddy at every level and failing. Daddy: youngest pilot in the Navy; George: lowest score accepted for pilot training (25th percentile) in the Air National Guard; Daddy: Yale; George: Yale; Daddy: baseball team; George: Cheerleader; Daddy: Oilman; George: Starts Arbusto Drilling. Texans soon call it El Busto. (A need to gain parental approval?)

The author doesn't imply that George Bush may be sociopathic, but it is there for anyone who wishes to infer it.

Finally, the most powerful man in the world is on vacation, on his home turf, surrounded by secret service, family and friends, and appears afraid to meet with Cindy Sheehan, especially considering that he could have put any spin on the meeting he would have chose to. (Cowardice?)

Doesn't this author make you wonder? Does Bush really have the capacity to lead the country, and does he really give a damn about Americans or the rest of the world?

Why demonize a Christian man who believes he is doing what is best?

Psychiatry is populated by secular humanists who have no faith and reject those who believe in God as needing to believe in fairy tales to live.

Why give value to anyone who would devalue your own beliefs?

Whatever George Bush is, I don't believe he is an evil man. Attempts to devalue Bush or anyone else who you disagree with is not only intellectually dishonest, it is no more than bearing false witness.

BTW, I enjoy this forum and appreciate the welcome.

Ya...that guy needs help himself if he see's through those glasses.

If you measure a christian by his fruits....where are Bush's good fruits? He gives tax breaks to the rich, and he has cut benefits for the poor. Where in the Bible does Jesus command " You shall give tax breaks to your rich friends and treat the poor with contempt"? It's not there. Where is it in the Bible is it ok for a leader use questionable tatics to start a war? So far I see only bad fruit. I keep hoping to see a good fruit, but I'm sorry, I have yet to see this Bush produce good fruit.

Hang fire!

I didnt write the piece, I found it and posted it as a topic for opinion. Thats what a democratic forum is all about. Don't shoot the messenger, read a post carefully before you accuse other members of bearing false witness.

like it or not God RUles in the Kingdom of Man and He Gives us our leaders

I'm sorry, I got the impression that the article was a representation of your beliefs. BTW, I didn't accuse you of anything. I simply stated that this article was an example of bearing false witness.

What is the value of this artilce in your opinion? Does this article provide any solutions to the problems in the world?

The article, in my opinion, simply attempts to devalue an individual rather than to attack his policies.

or

It says, since you don't think the way I do, you must be crazy.

As I said before, its a topic for opinion and conversation. If you look through the forum, many other members have found clippits of information and news items about different subjects, people, world leaders etc for other forum members to discuss and mull over. It doesn't necessarily mean that it represents their personal beliefs.

I dont have an opinion on Mr Bush as I do not know him personally and its not for me to judge anyone in the world, only God can do that.

That is just what I was thinking and going to write in Sarah.
Look around the forum and see all of the other clippings from
other leaders. Sarah just forwarded something for debate.
We have done that many times here. I have seen tons of
clippings coming in calling this leader an idiot and so on.

I don't know Bush either. And yes God gives us leaders probably
to show us that we can't trust them, only we can trust our Lord.

I for one know we should have a government,but my government
breaks promises more often than I change my underwear. So they
have lost my trust. Yes I pray for them, because to tell you the truth
they need a divine intervention from our Lord. Because the rich are
getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and the average are
falling into the poor section too. There are people struggling, do they really care.


And when you see what they are doing this really does make you upset.
God gave us emotions and sometimes being upset is a good thing.
Because I tell them, didn't you promise this, Well why promise.
Don't promises mean anything anymore. I guess not.

I agree that only God can know the inside of a human being, BUT, we will also know them by their fruits. He consistantly calls islam a "peaceful" religion, he was THE FIRST President to actually create a plan and be in office under a division of land regarding Israel and he seems to speak out one side of his mouth.

He unfortunately not only renders unto caeser, but he puts ceaser above the Lord, regarding his political policies and agenda. I voted for the guy in 2004 and regret it completely. That aside, he is the republican version of Jimmy Carter in my view, or at least on his way.

He's admitted during a press question and answer period not to be aware of biblical prophecy when asked, and just seems clueless in general.

Bush


STRATEGERY.

Many people call themselves 'Christian' but you are right Shaun, we will know them by their fruits.

My own countrys leader Tony Blair professes to be Christian and has admitted that when he is no longer Prime Minister he is going to change to another 'religion'. His wife, also a practising Catholic, dabbles in mysticism and new age babble and he tolerates it. His government is under investigation for illegal monetary practices and other scandals - by their fruits indeed.

One thing I don't understand is why sometimes we deny the truth, or at least indications about how a man can be. Personally, I would like to know Mr. Bush to have a better understanding about what type of person he is. But like almost everyone else in the world that critize him, we don't know the man. That being said, I still can form my own thaughts about him, when he says he's listened to God calling him to unfold war against other nations. Interesting...I didn't know that Skulls and Bones, the so called secret society from Yale University that he belongs to, known to practice the occult and the worshiping of the skull, also believed in the True God. But well, if we forget about that, I still have some doubts in my head. Like why someone who truly believes in Jesus our Lord will call for the creation of a One World Order, just like his father George senior did? Or why such man with christian moral values will show his middle finger as a victory salute? Want to see it for yourself (go to ifilm and search for Bush Uncensored) ?

Nevertheless I would like to believe only God can judge people. What I did was just raising some questions. Still, we can't blind ourselves in the idea that because we love our country we MUST love our leaders. We can still love where we come from, but like every place in the world there's wrong doing. What's more, there will be a day in which WE WILL HAVE TO BELIEVE AND TRUST ONLY IN OUR TRUE AND BELOVED FATHER, THE LORD!!! Nations will be fooled and the only one we can turn to will be GOD, not a nation. Please I pray for everyone to open your eyes and believe and love GOD for there's nothing in life more important than HIM. To all of you, GOD bless!!!

That was a good word.
thanks for sharing.
I find truth in that.

When did the notion that the President of the United States needed to be a perfect person start?

What young George did in college or as a young adult or as Governor of Texas or as President of the United States is his responsibility to ask forgiveness for. Its not our place to grant it.

To question someone's Christian faith is wrong.

To attempt to demonize a Christian is wrong.

You want to help George Bush. Pray for him. Pray that his better angels assist him in his duties which affect so many people.

Being Born Again does not mean that we are perfect or don't continue to sin. We do.

Being Born Again simply means that we are on the path to God, it doesn't mean that we are all at the same place on that path.

Most Americans are no more than two degrees of seperation from the President of the United States. Look around the world and ask yourself if the same is true elsewhere.

America is blessed. Taking a blessing as a birthright is an act of pride.

Of course, pride goeth before the destruction and a haughty spirit before the fall. Don't give into pride. Pray for our leaders, whomever they are.

Just my suggestion.

You'd have to be crazy to want to be a president these days anyway, and if not by the end of their term it's probably enough to drive you crazy.

But seriously if we"Christians" see this as troubling behavior then we should pray for the man. It's what Christians are suppose to do.

Jesus, I pray for Mr. Bush. Amen

Thank you Rosie, I find strenght in God and his people. In followers of the word who like you, take their time to share their faith and help each other. The good words come from the Lord, as well as the truth. I believe our understanding of life, gets better every time we study the scriptures and approach them with an open heart and with our soul always faithfull to our Lord. With humility and kindness.

Now, I know that being a born again christian does not mean that we are perfect, and away from temptation or sin. I know it means that we need to strive for better, and to stand up everytime we fall. I pray for the truth to be revealed, and for all of us to aknowledge our GOD, the only one from the beggining of times. I hope Mr. president sees all of this and commits himself to follow the Lord. So that next time he's giving a speech he will not proclaim the "NOVUS ORDO SECLURUM" (New Order of the Ages) like he did in the Inaugural Address of 2005. Also, like Sir Francis Bacon did in his time with his works on the idea of creating a New Universal Order for the whole world.

Please pray for Bush if you would. But above all lets pray for each other, the army of God and every believer of the word, for it is written: Even the elect will be deceived.

Your brother in Jesus Christ, 2 Chronicles 32:7

I think it's more frustration with him from a Christian viewpoint. I'll go easy here, since you're new, lol.

I agree with some of the things you are saying, but if someone calls themselves a Christian and continues to act in a completely opposite way, does the Bible not say that as a Christian, we should make that known, gently correct, bring it into the light. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

There was a poll taken recently that said 80 something percent of Americans "claimed" they were Christians. Do you not find that a bit hard to grasp. I certianly do. It is true that anyone can call themselves a Christian, but actions speak louder than words. Yes, we are ALL sinners and we should be praying for Bush, but it is NOT wrong to question someones Christianity, in my view, when said person is doing many things on a continual basis that stands in direct opposition the Bible, such as trying to divide Israel.

God will sort it out in the end though, that we can all be sure of. No man or woman should be depended on in the first place. God is our President, so to speak.

Hi,

I understand some of the comments here...I agree that we should continue to use the internet services and bless and pray for the users
that seek truth...we as believers know that truth is a person and from
Him all principles of life, the standard, follows. Even so not everone that is given the courage to come forth is a Christian...and there are Christians that come from very different walks of life...and so some have to bear with others and pray for them...so we have understanding of a thing, and we need to get wisdom...


First, "for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivitiy every thought to the obedience of Christ..."2 COR 10:4.5

Second, "and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works".chapter 11:14,15

We are to pray for our enemies, for we know not when God will reveal
to us...the end of a thing, however...we are to look to Jesus...and to Him
only...we must be citizens of another place, this is not it...we must be
willing to follow the Lamb whereever He leads...into all truth, and without
condemnation, but with great anguish see the truth as much as is revealed, then we must realize that God is bringing to pass a much greater thing...that the turmoil of this world is also causing the people to
cry out, travail and birthpangs, tribulation...yes, all things work together for good to those that care called according to His purposes..., we love our lands...whereever we come from...yet, the government that speaks for a people without listening to those same people...in America a democratic country...without representation where many see us heading...is what other countries call a regime...so, my friends...indeed, the handwriting is on the wall, lest none of us would be sharing here...
these are the days...we are called to be wise as serpents and gentle
as doves....pray yes, be deceived not...even the angels railed not
at the adversary over the body of Moses, saying "The Lord rebuke,you".

The question then of leadership over hugh nation is something else,
as Americans know we are responsible for keeping watch over our
elected officials...the figurehead we have in office seems to be making
and breaking laws that this country was built upon....the policies then
have created more havoc and hardship than what we first understood...

Being a Christian does not allow us to break the laws of the lands, and
particularly Gods laws, however the outcropping may make some of us or all of us outlaws in the future, for it is written, if we follow God. As believers, we all break laws and transgress by ommision and commission...to say elsewise is to call God a liar...
so, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem...that is for our beloved jewel,
given as a touchstone for us to rally around, Calvary... And for those that have strayed, yes, pray...but for those that are in high places that
have ignored, and moved in justification...God will remove...and He
starts in the Church first...we cannot have it both ways...

I love you, and I felt led to share this with all of you...as the days progress we will more fervently need to reach out to one another for
comfort and clarification...as not to be lead astray ourselves. Even moreso we can already see and feel the importance of intercessory
prayer...and most importantly, something I struggle with in light of all of
the confusion and great trajedy, we are to praise God! Yes, to get past
this oppression and stay in the joy of knowing that we have read the
last page of the Book. Traditions aside, it is going to unfold with our
understanding or without it...so, we should all feel compelled to enter
into this battle for Truth on our knees, yes?

Blessing upon you and shalom.
Signet

They may be Christians, they may be Christians to be, they may be something totally different, I'm still encouraged that the glass is 80% full, so to speak.

We are all going to be judged individually.

As President, Bush must give unto Caesar what is Caesars...not my advice, it is the Word.

He will be judged individually for what he does, not what America does. He is just one man, though he is the President. If we did everything Bush wanted, then we could as a country judge his actions.

Political dynamics don't allow one man to change that much.

Had 9/11 not happened, there wouldn't have been a reason to invade Iraq or free Afghanistan. There would not be 35 billion dollars in a victims fund for those affected by 9/11. And most likely, gas would cost about $2.00 per gallon.

The war on terror isn't about governments, its about ideas. It is literally good vs. evil.

The real issue is that each of us has both good and evil inside of us. To be President when a war of ideas dealing with the survival of faith based belief systems is something new to American history.

I pray for President Bush and many others, here and abroad.

Shaun, I am in total agreement with you.
from,
rosie

Blessings to you too Signet.
I have gained much from your post.
Thank you!
from,
rosie

Rendering unto caesar and putting the things of caesar before God are two completely different things, especially if you call yourself a Christian.

So true!

Ditto!

bush himself represents "Caesar", today....at least from the standpoint of americans....and perhaps to the world. for he is the current president of the greatest super-power that has ever existed in history...up to this point in time.
and the weapons possesed are deadly destructive...
and the bunkers and fortresses are there.


if you say not, then WHO IS CAESAR that we are to beware of the "leaven" of?

-bz

[/QUOTE]Rendering unto caesar and putting the things of caesar before God are two completely different things, especially if you call yourself a Christian.
*[QUOTE]

As an American citizen, you have the right to judge Bush as Caesar. As a Christian, you also have the right to judge Bush as Caesar.

The difference is that the U.S. Constitution grants your right to judge.

The Word does not.

If you start down the "this Christian is better than the other Christian" road, you fall into pride and sin.

BTW, calling myself a Christian does not make me one. Accepting the gift of sacrifice by Jesus Christ made me a Christian.


[QUOTE]Mark 12:17 (King James Version)
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.[/QUOTE]

hello triana.

who is judging bush?

God is the Judge of all.

but i do have a question for you.

Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of Caesar."
(he said this, in addition to saying to "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees")


who do you say, today in our time, is "CAESAR"?

...that we are to beware?


for the words of Jesus apply the same today, as yesterday.

-bz

Sorry, I couldn't find where Jesus said "Beware of the leaven of Caesar".

When Jesus warned of the leaven of the Pharisees, he was warning to be aware of their teachings.

Caesar today as in the time of Jesus refers to political institutions, not a person. Jesus understood the functions of government and didn't denounce it.

The imperial Judaism which Jesus grew up in was a departure from the path God instructed Moses to lead the people of Israel upon. The Pharisees and Sadducees were the result of Israels departure from the true path of God.

George Bush is not Caesar, nor is any other man. The Caesar Jesus spoke of was a manmade institution, not a man.

i agree with you on the point that CAESAR represents man-made governmental arrangements, or institutions.

and i misspoke on the scritpure i referred to....thank you.

Mark 8:15.

"beware of the leaven of HEROD."

you are correct, it does not say "caesar", but rather it reads "herod".

my mind did not remember it correctly. and
"the leaven of HEROD" is what is written.

but this is also what Jesus warned to guard against.

leaven ... yes, the teachings.

but "herod" was definitely in government.


as for "Ceasar"...this was a title.....as there were many Ceasars. ("czar" is a title derived from that word, and is still in use today)
(julius caesar, ceasar augustus, etc.)
just as "president" is a title.


but none the less, as Jesus did not put his hope in men nor in political institutions of men, nor do i.


but in GOD's KINGDOM and in his KING, i do put all my hope and confidence and faith.

blessings!
bz

Regardless if we like Bush or not, this is what the Scriptures say to do to those who govern us:

1 Tim 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
(KJV)

I agree with you Rose. I don't waste my time trying to decide if Bush is a good guy or a bad guy, I just pray that he hears God and makes the right decisions.

God is in control either way... thanks Don!

[quote=Triana,Apr 25 2006, 02:22 PM]

To question someone's Christian faith is wrong.

To attempt to demonize a Christian is wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, I voted for him too, and maybe he is doing his best in the world we live in today, BUT, BUT! How sure are YOU that he is a Christian, (BORN AGAIN) and He's not practicing my version of Christianity,,,,,,

We here are just "watching", we aren't demonizing him as a whole, we are being "cautious", continually informing one another of certain topics. There will be a "FATAL HEAD" wound,,,,,that will be healed and there will be a STRONG DELUSION.....

I'm just careful how much trust I put in man.......for the obvious reasons

[quote=Signet,Apr 25 2006, 05:39 PM]
Hi,

I understand some of the comments here...I agree that we should continue to use the internet services and bless and pray for the users
that seek truth...we as believers know that truth is a person and from
Him all principles of life, the standard, follows. Even so not everone that is given the courage to come forth is a Christian...and there are Christians that come from very different walks of life...and so some have to bear with others and pray for them...so we have understanding of a thing, and we need to get wisdom...


First, "for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivitiy every thought to the obedience of Christ..."2 COR 10:4.5

Second, "and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works".chapter 11:14,15

We are to pray for our enemies, for we know not when God will reveal
to us...the end of a thing, however...we are to look to Jesus...and to Him
only...we must be citizens of another place, this is not it...we must be
willing to follow the Lamb whereever He leads...into all truth, and without
condemnation, but with great anguish see the truth as much as is revealed, then we must realize that God is bringing to pass a much greater thing...that the turmoil of this world is also causing the people to
cry out, travail and birthpangs, tribulation...yes, all things work together for good to those that care called according to His purposes..., we love our lands...whereever we come from...yet, the government that speaks for a people without listening to those same people...in America a democratic country...without representation where many see us heading...is what other countries call a regime...so, my friends...indeed, the handwriting is on the wall, lest none of us would be sharing here...
these are the days...we are called to be wise as serpents and gentle
as doves....pray yes, be deceived not...even the angels railed not
at the adversary over the body of Moses, saying "The Lord rebuke,you".

The question then of leadership over hugh nation is something else,
as Americans know we are responsible for keeping watch over our
elected officials...the figurehead we have in office seems to be making
and breaking laws that this country was built upon....the policies then
have created more havoc and hardship than what we first understood...

Being a Christian does not allow us to break the laws of the lands, and
particularly Gods laws, however the outcropping may make some of us or all of us outlaws in the future, for it is written, if we follow God. As believers, we all break laws and transgress by ommision and commission...to say elsewise is to call God a liar...
so, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem...that is for our beloved jewel,
given as a touchstone for us to rally around, Calvary... And for those that have strayed, yes, pray...but for those that are in high places that
have ignored, and moved in justification...God will remove...and He
starts in the Church first...we cannot have it both ways...

I love you, and I felt led to share this with all of you...as the days progress we will more fervently need to reach out to one another for
comfort and clarification...as not to be lead astray ourselves. Even moreso we can already see and feel the importance of intercessory
prayer...and most importantly, something I struggle with in light of all of
the confusion and great trajedy, we are to praise God! Yes, to get past
this oppression and stay in the joy of knowing that we have read the
last page of the Book. Traditions aside, it is going to unfold with our
understanding or without it...so, we should all feel compelled to enter
into this battle for Truth on our knees, yes?

Blessing upon you and shalom.
Signet
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Signet Very well said. Thank you for your thoughts.

Rose you are so right to point out the scripture we are to pray for
those in government whether we agree with them or not.

Roni, I agree that we have to try to stay informed concerning the players in the final game. We are warned repeatedly to not be deceived!

Triana just wanted to welcome you to the forum! Looking forward to hearing all of you insights. May God bless you!

Your Friend in Christ,
Valerie

Messiahiscoming

"The president is acting as if the decisions that may get Americans into another war are his to make and his alone. So the Iran crisis poses not only questions of military feasibility and political wisdom but of constitutional usurpation. Bush's top officials openly assert that he can do anything he wants - including attacking another country - on his authority as commander-in-chief. "

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HD26Ak01.html

I agree with that squirrel, but he is not really calling all the shots...don't you agree? He is just the spokesperson, but is still the president of our country according to the false Diebold voting machine company (oh they don't have records because there wasn't a printout of their vote), which ultimately won him the election. Not that Kerry would be any better....the two parties are essential one in the same. All the debating that went on and on and on last election mostly dealt with gay marriages and abortions!! That was all they talked about because it is a hot topic with most people, not to say that it isn't important but please.....our economy and the debt we are in?

Honestly now, gay marriage and peoples' lifestyles are not that important to me...I am not one to cast the first stone (well maybe at times) but that is my own problem. If that makes the person or couple happy then fine..we can't put ourselves in their shoes and we shouldn't judge. Our social security and medical care were not at the forefront of those discussions and should have been. I think they need to stay out of personal lives and focus on politics. They won't because they know the hot buttons to choose and that will make or break a vote.

If they believe in abortion or gay marriage...those shouldn't be issues. (IMHO) as if anyone cares but I'm just telling it like it is.

For whatever it is worth.

I was quoting someone else, I personally don't believe he's smart enough to make his own decisions.

ROLF, adding that to my birthday list!

I agree. There comes a point where we have to start looking after domestic issues and not flying around the world trying to fix everyone else and their problems 24 hours a day, while our own country is a big mess.

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=4022
This is the 2nd time I've dreamed this...

I saw a white horse. It was carefully brought up bya group of owners, a group of investors, who intended it to use the white horse to carry out their will of world conquest. The horse's beautiful appearance and gentle manner was supposed to convey to the world good intentions and to give the investors a positive image. The horse was tethered, saddled, and bridled, under complete control of the investors. It was as if the horse had no will but, carried out the will of the investors. The horse was tethered to yoke and the horse could only go in circles (just like those tethered ponies at the fairs when they give pony rides to kids). This was the first public showing of the white horse. All the while a black horse, never tethered, tamed, nor bridled watched and waited. The white horse went around in circles many times without a rider, then a small child was placed on it's back, at that moment, the day became as black as night. The white horse went around once, then when it almost completed the 2nd time going around, a voice boomed from Heaven said, "Your time is up!" The white horse was stopped. In another version of this dream, the white horse is killed. The black horse sees all this and know that it will be him galloping tommorow and he is under no one's control but his own. He appears as gentle as the white horse. He will only let the investors think he is under his control, and will do as they ask only when it suits his purposes. Later, he will throw off their yoke with great fierceness and violence.
He gallops tommrow.

The white horse describes President Bush pretty well. If the white horse is him, working under the complete control of the evil 'money changers', he will be cut off abruptly and completely...and something more dangerous takes his place.
another intereprtation:
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=4037
FLYING SQUIRRELS DREAM INTERPRETED

This is the 2nd time I've dreamed this...

Brackets are my interpreation:

I saw a white horse (Clinton). It was carefully brought up by a group of owners, a group of investors, who intended it to use the white horse to carry out their will of world conquest. (elite global Illuminists)

The horse's beautiful appearance and gentle manner (has a arrowless bow and made false peace treaties with Israel) was supposed to convey to the world good intentions and to give the investors a positive image.

The horse was tethered, saddled, and bridled, under complete control (under subjugation Daniel 7:24) of the investors.

It was as if the horse had no will but, carried out the will of the investors. The horse was tethered to yoke and the horse could only go in circles [just like those tethered ponies at the fairs when they give pony rides to kids].

This was the first public showing of the white horse. All the while a black horse, never tethered, tamed, nor bridled (who never held title of President but was a VP) watched and waited.

The white horse went around in circles many times without a rider (completed 2 terms as President), then a small child (son of a former President) was placed on its back (representing the red horse), at that moment, the day became as black as night (war clouds rolled in).

The white horse went around once, then when it almost completed the 2nd time going around (2nd term of his presidency), a voice boomed from Heaven said, "Your time is up!" (Became the “is” of Revelation 17:10) The white horse was stopped. (with the “red horse” riding it, now the “black horse” of 'death and hell comes in)

In another version of this dream, the white horse is killed. The black horse sees all this and knows that it will be him galloping tomorrow and he is under no one's control but his own (he thinks so but is ‘being subdued’ just as the previous two of Daniel 7:24).

He appears as gentle as the white horse. He will only let the investors think he is under his control, and will do as they ask only when it suits his purposes.

Later, he will throw off their yoke with great fierceness and violence. (there yoke is broken as the bud becomes “perfect” as HE DIES as the “short spaced” seventh of Revelation 17:10 in the nuclear fire of Washington DC.)

He gallops tomorrow. (When the “IS” falls he will gallop for a “short time”)

The white horse describes President Bush pretty well. If the white horse is him, working under the complete control of the evil 'money changers', he will be cut off abruptly and completely...and something more dangerous takes his place.(the something ‘more dangerous’ is the enforcement of martial law on this country when the black horse is sworn in)

BIBLICAL PROOF OF DREAM INTERPRETATION

THE LAST THREE SUBDUED PRESIDENTS

Daniel 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. (3) Four great beasts CAME UP from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great (George Bush Sr.): and when he was strong, the great horn was broken (lost re-election bid); and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven (Clinton-Gore then Bush-Cheney). (9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

THE FIRST UNDER SUBJUGATION (CLINTON) IS THE EIGHTH OF THE LAST TEN PRESIDENTS

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made to stand upon the feet as a man (a new role given to him), and a man's heart was given to it.
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow;( an arrowless bow, he is a witness to "peace treaties") and a crown was given unto him (his Presidential seal): and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. (Pictured on cover of Newsweek "riding a white horse" Nov. 1992 special election edition)

THE SECOND UNDER SUBJUGATION (BUSH) IS THE NINTH OF THE LAST TEN PRESIDENTS

Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it rose up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it (Powell, Rice and Rumsfield) and between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. (WWIII started on 9-11-01, the second on Meet the Press, February 8, 2004, "I'm a war president; my decisions are made in the context of war").

Revelation 6:3-4 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon TO TAKE PEACE from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

THE THIRD UNDER SUBJUGATION (CHENEY) IS THE TENTH AND LAST PRESIDENT

Daniel 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

Revelation 6:5-6 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, a measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou NOT HURT the oil and the wine.

Are you spiritually, mentally and physically prepared for famine? Famine for the Word of God will be rampant in the tribulation, eat your food today WHILE IT IS SWEET so its nutrients will carry you through!

THE BEAST AS THE ELEVENTH IN THE ROLE OF ANTICHRIST

Daniel 7:20 And of the TEN HORNS that were in his head, and of the other which came up (antichrist), and BEFORE WHOM three fell (they are in front and before the public, his substitutes being subdued or controlled by him); even of that horn (antichrist) that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Daniel 7:24b… and another shall rise after them (after the TEN, the antichrist); and he shall be diverse from the first and he shall SUBDUE THREE KINGS (three President's).

By using their position of power and strength as Presidents of the US, the antichrist uses them as his substitutes by controlling and dictating to the three. The antichrist’s world agenda is under the cloak of secrecy, from "his seat" in D.C.

Remember in (Matthew 24:4) Yeshua said, "Make sure no man deceive you". THIS IS STRONG DECEPTION!

IN CONTROL OF THREE FROM HIS SEAT

Revelation 13:2 And THE BEAST which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power and HIS SEAT, and great authority.

In the above verse John sees the antichrist of Daniel's prophecy subduing the three from his seat in Washington.

The above is pasted off this link.
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=3624

Giving Him the glory An Ezekiel 33:6 watching one REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand, make your election SURE

Cheney???!!!



That truly is a frightening thought.

Although Cheney is President now, so who does that leave.

Oh MY......somebody get me a plane ticket out of the country if Cheney will be the last president! Can you imagine? Oh man....I need a chuck bucket QUICK!!

Should we start another poll to see the general consensus on whether or not George W can think for himself...or if he really is in charge of the country...hmm.

Wheels turning.

Would the mods pass it?

Now that would be interesting. We could start a poll.

Is George W. Bush REALLY in charge of this country and does he have a brain? Is it his father's brain? Cheney's? Karl Rove? Who else am I missing here.

All we have to do is find an emoticon that throws up and it will seal your vision.

Luke chapter 4:5-8.

Here you go Shaun...

Actually, that looks like Cheney.....


or Cheney throwing up, one or the other.

Thank you! HAA! Can we get Todd or somebody to add that one in?

We are analyzing Bush, and I think it would be good to look at this link and see also a little about him and his father on their opinion on the "ONE WORLD ORDER"...

Go here: http://www.cuttingedge.org/videoroom.html

And click on the video: The Shocker (to listen it from Bush senior, Clinton, etc), to preview.

And: http://www.cuttingedge.org/video/americassecret.html (to listen to G.W. Bush with his own lips).

I know this might be a little too much for some people, my intention here is not raise harsh feelings or controversy. Rather for all of us to study current events in the world and look into history. Most importantly, we, as "TRUE CHRISTIANS" believe that salvation only comes from THE TRUE GOD. Not the one printed on the dollar with the Great Seal by its side and Masonic signs on it. But the true savior, the one and only Messiah, Jesus Christ. I pray for all of us to be always faithfull and that our love for him would be bigger than that for any other thing in the world, be it an ideal or a nation. For if we all give our lives for the LORD, we'll be part of his household and we'll live for HIM in the Land he's giving us, far off from our comprehension, but abounding in his love. So we should all come to accept that we are nobody's property, but the Lords. God bless you all, my brothers in Jesus Christ.

..and...
may our God and Father too, bless you, dear ..2 Chronicles 32:7.

you've got it.

love,
bz

signet. your post on this thread was appreciated by me. good one.

love.
-bz