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ishtob

see short video clip

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/m...Warrantless.htm
gr82bsaved
Hi Ishtob,
I see two meanings in the video clip that you have included in the post:

Meaning #1: Warrantless searches are being conducted by the Bush Administration in their attempt to usher in the One World Government and take every single right away from every single person in the world. Thus, this is the beginning of the end.

Meaning #2. You and/or the commentator and his guest really don't like the Bush Administration.

Setting aside the second meaning, let me discuss the first meaning. Warrantless searches have been conducted for hundreds if not thousnds of years. In the 20th century, all Western and Eastern European nations conducted warrantless searches at some point or another. In the 19th Century, during the American Civil War, Abe Lincoln, the Great Emancipator and one of the Presidents I happen to admire very much, had warrantless searches conducted on a routine basis. Many Civil Rights were suspended during the Civil War. During WWll, the Japanese-Americans had their rights taken from them under the suspicion that they were colluding with Japan, and many were forced into internment camps. Now, the Bush Administration is conducting warrantless searches of people who are suspected to have ties to Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations. What does all of this mean?

Aside from the occasional SSSS on my plane ticket (happened to me three times in 2005) and me being forced to a complete wanding and my carry on luggage being gone through, I have not seen anyone I know - mostly American citizens and a few who are here as resident aliens or on work visas - lose any rights of privacy or otherwise. If Uncle Sam is really interested in what I say and do, all he has to do is look at my blog and this forum, both of which are public.

I make these comments to argue the point that these things have happened throughout history and will continue to. It will happen here in the US, it has happened millions of times in other countries, and it will continue for years to come. Even when the AC hits the scene in an apparent way for all to witness, it will continue.

Our hope is ONLY in JESUS. No matter what, it is in JESUS and HIM alone. HE is the WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Nothing can seperate us from HIS love. We are the object of HIS love - so if GOD loves us that much, then the loss of rights in this world is only a temporary thing. But to make it look like this is something new - it simply is not.



ishtob
yes gr82bsaved - of course it's nothing new. Time repeats itself.
and even so,

2Pe 3:3... there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

Ecc 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, [that] wickedness [was] there; and the place of righteousness, [that] iniquity [was] there.

Ecc 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for [there is] a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Ecc 3:22 Wherefore I perceive that [there is] nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that [is] his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?


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I pray for Bush - regardless if you and I may or may not agree as to what he and his administration are about...

IN ALL THINGS we must definately keep our eyes on JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.

HE commands us to BEWARE of many things...


Psa 27:3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this [will] I [be] confident.


Psa 27:4 One [thing] have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.


Psa 27:5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.


Psa 27:6 And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD


~Ish
ChildofGod
So if GW follows in the foot steps of "good old" Abe, we'll see the suspension of the Writ of Habeous (sp?) Corpus, and we'll see anti-Bush newspaper owners behind bars and their papers shut down. When is taking away the civil liberties of the citizenry ever right? I may need to re-read it, but I don't think the Constitution ever said that parts of the Bill of Rights can be suspended or erased at the whim of the president.

Let the flaming begin.
gr82bsaved
QUOTE(ChildofGod @ Mar 19 2006, 03:00 AM)
So if GW follows in the foot steps of "good old" Abe, we'll see the suspension of the Writ of Habeous (sp?) Corpus, and we'll see anti-Bush newspaper owners behind bars and their papers shut down.  When is taking away the civil liberties of the citizenry ever right?  I may need to re-read it, but I don't think the Constitution ever said that parts of the Bill of Rights can be suspended or erased at the whim of the president.

Let the flaming begin.
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ChildofGod,
Please reread what I said. I have included it in this reply because it appers you missed it:

QUOTE
I make these comments to argue the point that these things have happened throughout history and will continue to. It will happen here in the US, it has happened millions of times in other countries, and it will continue for years to come. Even when the AC hits the scene in an apparent way for all to witness, it will continue.

Our hope is ONLY in JESUS. No matter what, it is in JESUS and HIM alone. HE is the WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Nothing can seperate us from HIS love. We are the object of HIS love - so if GOD loves us that much, then the loss of rights in this world is only a temporary thing. But to make it look like this is something new - it simply is not.


Rights granted by men will be taken away by men. These things have been happening since time began. It happens today in every country in the world. That is why our only hope is JESUS. It is in HIM and HIM alone. NO matter where you are, what country you support, how dear the Constitution is to you, your hope should be in JESUS, not in the 'rights' granted to you by men. Christians in communist countries and dictatorships have only JESUS as their hope - there are few 'rights' for them. Their homes and businesses can be searched at a whim by their 'governments'. You can be picked up by authorities and never heard from again in those countries. Same thing could happen here as well I imagine, and maybe it has. The difference is that it is routine in those countries - China, North Korea, Cuba, dictatorships, etc - not here. The knowledge that a person could simply 'disappear' because of a spoken word or belief or whatever is used as a way to keep the masses under control. When did that happen here in the US last? I do not remember a single time in my 39 years - not one. Imagine if you lived in one of those countries and you DIDN'T have JESUS? Then you truly would have nothing!

As far as GW is concerned, in my opinion, if warrantless searches are conducted of those suspected to be conspiring with Al Qaida are being done, fine with me. I doubt very seriously that President Bush actually sits there in the Oval Office and says, 'Gee whiz, which Americans can I take rights away from today?" at a whim. I doubt very seriously that Abe Lincoln, during the Civil War, woke up one day and said "I think I will suspend Habeus Corpus because I FEEL like it." But this is only my opinion and I have no facts to back up either line of thought. I am thankful that I can express my opinion in this country. I do have some measure of trust in the people that I help elect to Congress and the White House that they are looking out for the welfare of the country. But nevertheless, my hope is really only in JESUS, and HIM alone. Not in men, just in HIM. Here is one of my favorite scriptures where Peter is telling the LORD JESUS where his hope is:

Joh 6:58 "This is the bread which came down from heaven-not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever."
Joh 6:59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
Joh 6:60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?"
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?
Joh 6:62 "What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?
Joh 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
Joh 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
Joh 6:66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.
Joh 6:67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"
Joh 6:68 But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

Only JESUS has the words of eternal life. That's because HE IS THE WORD of GOD made flesh (John 1:1-18). That is where my hope is - not in men, but in JESUS. Warrantless searches and more hideous things have and will continue to occur. Hope in JESUS.



kim48
Very well said gr82bsaved.
Kim
ChildofGod
QUOTE(kim48 @ Mar 19 2006, 09:09 AM)
Very well said gr82bsaved.
Kim
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Yes, very well said. I sometimes get my dander up over politics. Last night was one of those times. Yes, Jesus is our ONLY hope. Thanks for waking me up.
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