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LemuelReyes
(March 9) A few weeks ago, Hemant Mehta posted an unusual item for sale on eBay: a chance to save his soul.

The DePaul University graduate student promised the winner that for each $10 of the final bid, he would attend an hour of church services. The 23-year-old Mr. Mehta is an atheist, but he says he suspected he had been missing out on something.

"Perhaps being around a group of people who will show me 'the way' could do what no one else has done before," Mr. Mehta wrote in his eBay sales pitch. "This is possibly the best chance anyone has of changing me."

Evangelists bid, eager to save a sinner. Atheists bid, hoping to keep Mr. Mehta in their fold. When the auction stopped on Feb. 3 after 41 bids, the buyer was Jim Henderson, a former evangelical minister from Seattle, whose $504 bid prevailed.

Mr. Henderson wasn't looking for a convert. He wanted Mr. Mehta to embark with him on an eccentric experiment in spiritual bridge-building.

The 58-year-old Mr. Henderson has written a book for a Random House imprint and is currently a house painter. He runs off-the-map.org, a Web site whose professed mission is "Helping Christians be normal." Mr. Henderson is part of a small but growing branch of the evangelical world that disagrees with the majority's conservative political agenda, and wants the religion to be more inclusive and help the disadvantaged.

Days after the auction, Mr. Henderson flew to Chicago to see Mr. Mehta, who is studying to be a math teacher. The two met in a bar, where they sealed a deal a little different from the one the student had proffered. Instead of the 50 hours of church attendance that he was entitled to for his $504, Mr. Henderson asked that Mr. Mehta attend 10 to 15 services of Mr. Henderson's choosing and then write about it.

Mr. Mehta also agreed to provide running commentary on the church services on the off-the-map site and take questions -- bluntly sharing a nonbeliever's outlook on services that many consider sacred. The deal called for Mr. Henderson to donate the $504 to the Secular Student Alliance, a group headed by Mr. Mehta that has 55 chapters in the U.S. and abroad.

"I'm not trying to convert you," Mr. Henderson said at the bar. "You're going there almost like a critic....If you happen to get converted, that's off the clock." For Mr. Mehta's first service, the two attended noon Mass at Old St. Patrick's, a Catholic church near Mr. Mehta's apartment. In the third pew from the rear, Mr. Mehta silently gazed at the statues and the worshipers' folded hands. He tried to follow along, but was a beat behind the congregation as it stood and knelt on cue.

Mr. Henderson asked Mr. Mehta to score the priest, on a scale of one for boring to 10 for "off the charts." Mr. Mehta gave him a three. "More stories" in the sermon, Mr. Mehta suggested -- and less liturgy.

Asked about that advice, the Rev. John Cusick, who said the Mass that day, was unfazed: "There's nothing he could say that I haven't heard 100 times over."

Mr. Mehta's commentaries award sermons kudos for clarity, demerits for redundancy. After a service at Chicago's nondenominational Park Community Church, he criticized the preacher for repeatedly referring to a Bible verse in which the Galatians are called "fools" for doubting the divinity of Jesus -- without explaining why the passage was relevant to his congregation. The room, Mr. Mehta noted, was already full of people who didn't share the Galatians' doubts.

Associate Pastor Ron May wrote in to thank Mr. Mehta: "As the guy who spoke yesterday, I really appreciate the honest eval. (Unfortunately, a lot of the time you only get polite smoke...good job...thanks for the message.)"

Mr. Mehta was born in Chicago and raised in Jainism, an ancient Indian faith whose followers vow to harm no living thing, not even microbes in the air.

He praises famous atheists, but has also read parts of the Bible, loves watching televangelists like Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen, and admires their appeal to congregations. "If I could be an atheist pastor?" he says, "Oh God, that would be great!"

Mr. Henderson, who was a member of the Association of Vineyard Churches, a nondenominational ministry, says he preached for 25 years, but says he grew disenchanted because many of his peers were obsessed with gathering more believers and increasing their budgets. Off-the-map started as a hobby, an outgrowth of a long talk with a friend and co-founder Dave Richards, who had been a member of one of Mr. Henderson's congregations, about why they disliked evangelizing.

Mr. Henderson began interviewing nonbelievers -- in front of audiences and video cameras -- about the ways Christians had offended them. That material became part of his book, "a.k.a. 'Lost,' '' espousing his softer approach, published last year by WaterBrook Press.

Hiring Mr. Mehta has been his wisest investment, Mr. Henderson says. The Web site received 5,000 hits in the first 10 days after the auction -- typically the number of visits in an average month.

Some visitors to the site castigate Mr. Henderson for giving an atheist a forum. One said he was "rather misguidedly (throwing) money at someone to simply get him 'churched' for a time so he might possibly get 'saved?' "

Mr. Mehta has also been reading and critiquing church bulletins. In one, Park Community asked the congregation to pray, in advance of a coming meeting on the construction of a church building "that God would...open the doors to the right parking solution, allowing us to build a worship space for 1,200 people, rather than the 850 currently permitted."

"Really?" Mr. Mehta observed on the Web site. "That's what you're praying for? Do they think a god will change parking restrictions? Will a god change the price of nearby property? Will a god add another level to a parking structure?"

Mr. May, the pastor, admitted such talk sounds weird to an outsider. "It's good to be reminded it's unusual," he said

Mr. Henderson says he is thrilled that Mr. Mehta is prompting such reactions. "We're getting to a place where we're talking and not converting," he says.

With about half his obligation to Mr. Henderson fulfilled, Mr. Mehta says he's no closer to believing in God, although he does admire churches for the communities they create. Church, he has decided, is "not such a bad place to be."
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AlanHarmony
Such a price to get a conversion....

It would be so much easier to get someone to know God by just asking them to make a sincere effort to write their dreams for a month, and learn how to understand them. (The Bible says that God speaks to us via our dreams.) So the only difficulty is learning how to understand and use them. That can be done by reading Practically Dreaming.

He'd have saved about $479.

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Frek
I clicked on that Practically Dreaming book as I was intrigued.

Then I discovered that this site proposes that all religions of the world influenced the "creation" of Jesus's teachings as they word it.

In other words they believe that all religions lead to the "Creator" as they call it.

Based on that I don't think I could recommend anyone get involved with this "Practiacally Dreaming" book.

I'm not out to offend you but that site is in direct conflict with what Jesus taught.
AlanHarmony
QUOTE(Frek @ Apr 29 2006, 01:50 PM)
I clicked on that Practically Dreaming book as I was intrigued.

Then I discovered that this site proposes that all religions of the world influenced the "creation" of Jesus's teachings as they word it.

In other words they believe that all religions lead to the "Creator" as they call it.

Based on that I don't think I could recommend anyone get involved with this "Practiacally Dreaming" book.

I'm not out to offend you but that site is in direct conflict with what Jesus taught.
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Only if you choose not to accept that "in my house are many mansions"
onetiggerroo
QUOTE(AlanHarmony @ Apr 29 2006, 03:53 PM)
QUOTE(Frek @ Apr 29 2006, 01:50 PM)
I clicked on that Practically Dreaming book as I was intrigued.

Then I discovered that this site proposes that all religions of the world influenced the "creation" of Jesus's teachings as they word it.

In other words they believe that all religions lead to the "Creator" as they call it.

Based on that I don't think I could recommend anyone get involved with this "Practiacally Dreaming" book.

I'm not out to offend you but that site is in direct conflict with what Jesus taught.
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Only if you choose not to accept that "in my house are many mansions"
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Do not confuse "the many mansions" that Jesus is preparing for HIS followers- as being multiple religions...that do not follow the teaching of JESUS. The mansions are being prepared for those that believe in JESUS.
kim48
This has been a long day! Alan are you here to sell something because we dont do any selling of produts on here. There might be some other forums that will allow you to. Here we do not so I would like to ask you to remove it.
Here is the constitution of his site and I dont think I feel so good about it.
I would like to say welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy the forum and what we stand for.

Kimi
Gypsylass
I would have to agree Kim...sounds like one of those new age man is god groups to me. That site gave me a bad case of the ooglies....chillbumps and not the good kind. Scary....
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