"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death: and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wonddered after the beast." (Rev. 13:3)

I consider that with the confirmation of Alito today we are bought one step closer to the precipice; one step closer to the NWO, and one step closer to our God the creator of the heavens and the earth, the sea and the fountains of waters.

For the first time in U.S history the supreme court of the land will have not 4 but 5 sitting supreme court judges who are Roman Catholic.

Please do not misunderstand me hear, God loves all people....of every religion so are we to love one another. And I add that many Roman Catholics will be saved in Heaven.

When we look at the fact that the founding fathers fled Europe to escape religious persecution and church state laws and opposed any RC from holding public office for fear of a repeat of the atrosities of the Middle Ages (Dark Ages) we can see a stealthy but rapid increase of her power and influence the Judiciary branch of government and that is something to consider.

The pricipalities and wicked powers in the high places are consolidating their forces.
But I thank YAHWEH that He too is consolidating His forces for He shall have a mighty army. (Joel 3:3,4) and His people will be "....as fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners? " S.O.S. 6:10

I think you are mistaken. And I'm not asking you to change your mind. Just keep your eyes and ears wide open in all directions.

Christians converted from Islam are convinced that the false prophet will be Islamic. They say that the expiration date is up on the Pope. When an ex-muslim reads prophecy they are certain that prophecy is describing an islamic prophet.

sojourner

The thing that got me concerned today, with Miki's reminders of 9/11 and all the freedoms we're losing as a result, was something I heard on Fox News. The comment was made that Justice O'Connor had said that 9/11 did not give the White House a blank check (to "fight terrorism" in any way they saw fit), but that Alito is much more likely to "defer to the White House" on these issues. Read "take away whatever freedoms necessary with the approval of the Supreme Court."

And that has nothing to do with catholicism, I might add. Or at least I think it has nothing to do with catholicism! (I don't see why it would.)

Hello sojourner:

Thanks for your reply. I only ask one favor. And that is to provide some Scripture back-up for the position you have.

I must say that time will tell on us all. If a position is correct it will stand in its time and place in history but if false history will also bare record of it.

By the way what is the Scripture definition of a false prophet?

Marta hands sojouner the Catechism for scriptural back-up.



Love ya sojourner!! Just messing with you; I have to pick on you!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are so funny! But seriously, I don't think the supreme court is the one we need to worry about, lets look at the Sanhedrin! Now there is contention there, if ever I saw it and the writing is on the walls!

"Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin"

Daniel 5:25....


And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. (KJV)

and this 'is' the writing that is noted down: Numbered, Numbered, Weighed, and Divided. (YLT)



Daniel 5:25-28 KJV

5:25 And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.

5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.

5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

They have reformed and are self appointed High Court Judges! Of what Babylonian Talmud and Kabbalah, which is myticism, anf the Talmud is the 10 commandments stretched out into 613 laws! They are having people sware an oath to the Laws of Noah! Evil is lurking behind innocent enough looking laws. That are not Biblical! The Law was not given to Noah! It was given to Moses.... Our own courts can't withstand what is coming soon!

God is in control.

"For you stand at the verge of a year of great change. And you who look to the things of the politics of man forget that it is the Lord who gives government. Is not the government upon My shoulders? Have I not been He who directs all of the nations? Am I not King of Kings and Lord of Lords to the glory of the Father? And yet you continue to look at the outward appearance of politics. My church has become involved in the politics of man, and in using the pressures of man in order to get what seems good unto them. See that you do not kick against the goads of My will. See that you do not go about doing a good thing as it seems right in your mind only to find that you have contested that Lord of Glory. For the politics of this world will pass away. Yes, the heart of the king is in the hand of your God."

Hello Pilgrim.

I'm not a muslim and never have been. I have never read the Koran and have never visited the middle east, much less lived there. I have very minimal understanding of the Arabic culture, even if I understand it a little better today than 2 years ago.

This is the problem for us. We do not know or understand the Arabic culture. Converts like Walid Shoebat are trying to warn us that we will never stop terrorism because we cannot comprehend how and why Arabs think the way that they do. And like our Old Testament, they are a semitic people. So when an Arab garners the courage to read our Bible, they are stunned by what they read. Revelation dawns on them like nothing any of us have ever experienced. Many scriptures that we have to toil over and research are as simple as ABC to them. There is a scripture that says that the anti christ will have no regard for women. Converts from Islam are positive that this scripture is referring to an Islamic candidate. There are many scriptures that these refugees from Islam insist we are not understanding because we have not walked the walk (literally). And I believe them. Things are going over our heads because we don't see the sun set the way semites do.

For example, the beheadings of westerners over the last couple of years. You and I were stunned by the barbaric behavior. But any sociologist can tell you that the Islamic culture is not effected by this act like we are. It's just a simple means of execution that is still practiced over there. Beheading was never substituted by more sophisticated methods. And this simple fact should alert you to the truth in what I am saying here. Particularly since we know that this method of execution was foretold in scripture. I'm sure that over the last century Bible scholars developed the idea that the description used in the Bible was symbolic. But as someone here on another thread pointed out, it is pretty amazing how the scriptures referring to "the days of Noah" have turned out to be quite literal. The newly assembled Sanhedren is adopting the Noahide laws.

I am in total awe of these developments. I'm betting my money on literal beheadings also. And where are they practicing this form of execution today?

sojourner

excellent post sojourner
C

Marta






Thanks Cornelius.




sojourner

sojourner,

Your last post confirmed so much that I've been dealing with about where the anti christ could come from.

The biggest thing that has been weighing on my spirit was the part about the beheading. The scriptures on the beheading of Christians and the muslim beheadings going on today hit me like a ton of bricks, but I didn't want to accept that possibility because I don't want to lay that on any group that just happens to be in the spotlight at the moment.

Also, I've noticed there is a rising sympathy for muslims while the persecutions of Christians is rising. Is it just me who's noticed that?

I've been hearing the Lord reminding me regularly that everything is going to take place quickly. He's given us clues and glimpses to prepare us so we won't be led astray. Praise God for He alone is worthy!!!

Amen Peace of God.

I agree with you whole heartedly. Not only are the polls down for Christianity and up for Islam, but Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world today. Of course we know this is because conversion to Christianity is illegal in most Islamic nations and because of immigration of middle eastern peoples. Strange isn't it, that as evil as they believe westerners to be they just keep coming? Why do you suppose that is? America's prisons are over flowing with Islamic converts. These ex-cons are not the types I want living on my block when all hell breaks loose.

sojourner

So true. So true.

The stage the Lord has been setting is getting ready to be played. And quickly. This switch to pro-Islam happened almost overnight and we need to pay attention. What I always try to remember when considering Prophecy is that the Jews missed Christ because they assumed He was going to come as an earthly king. They walked in their own assumptions and missed Him.

We as Christians need to pay close attention to detail lest we be deceived.

The beheading thing is also particed and will be used by the Sanhderin! It is just one of thier 613 laws!

Please quote the scriptures you are refering to!
justaservant

Hello Justaservant.

The scripture that we are referring to is Revelation 20: 4, "And I saw thrones, and men sat upon them and judgement was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the witness to Jesus and because of the word of God, and who did not worship the beast or his image, and did not accept his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

sojourner

What a great topic everyone! I really enjoy reading about everyone's take on events like this.

Here's my 2 cents worth, ok maybe a penny and and a half. In my opinion, the the two horned beast that was like a lamb and speaks like a dragon is way too powerful to be the Jews with their noahide laws. Only one nation exists with this ability today. This beast arises out of the earth, which represents a place not populated with a government before. THis can't be the Jews whose land has always been governed and populated. It's very powerful, since it has the ability to cause the whole world to worship the beast and it's image. This lamb like beast with two horns is the United States of America. These two horns represent it's founding principals, the reason settlers came here in the first place. Once horn is civil government, the other is religious freedom. They are represented as being separate in the vision of revelation because this is one of the major defining elements of the founding of the country. Freedom from religious persecution.

The supreme court will see fit to continue to erode the establishment clause of the constitution until religious doctrine becomes codified into the law. This beast started out as a lamb, because America stood for good. We fought wars on behalf of freedom. We feed the poor, we fight dictators. But those days of America's righteousness are over. Now we speak like a dragon.

This change won't happen in a vacuum. End of separation between church and state represents a pardigm shift that would take many decades unless pushed by global events of catastrophy. These will include financial collapse, major natural catastrophy and world war with the nations of islam. The reason islam is gaining is because God used to protect the United States and has now withdrawn His protection. This is causing it's sworn enemy, the nations of islam to become more powerful. Because the US speaks like a dragon, people of the world are drawn to enemies of the US. Islam ruled the world and had power over the infidels. They want this power back. The have an old grudge to settle with the catholics who started the crusades, and the Americans who prop-up despots and defile their holy lands. They hate America and the Europeans moral corruption.

One thing about earthly governments. Satan presented Jesus with rulership over all worldy governments in exchange for Jesus' worship of him. Obviosly the offer was refused along with all of Satan's other offers. My only point is that Satan can not offer that which he doesn't posess. We all know the all the governments in power today are ultimately ruled by Satan. You know this in your heart.

These events have already been happening. The religious right of America has gained massive political power. It was the defining factor in US politics during the last election. THis power will grow. The religious right sees the wall between church and state as a barrier to changing America back into a moral, God fearing country. They will get their way. When you see this on the news, the decline of this separation, you will know these words are truth. The only problem with this, and the reason the founders of the constitution created this separation, is who is to say what God's will is? How will the government enforce God's will? Who will control the enterpretation of God's will? Catholics on the supreme court maybe? Just asking....

God's government will not be found among the governments of today. The USA made the best attempt by man at governing himself in my opinion in the history of the world. The americans took the best shot. It will however end-up like all the past attempts, in utter ruin. The only goverment that can possibly succeed for eternity is God's government and it isn't here yet, though I pray very soon!

God bless you all!

Thank you all for your interest on this subject and the replies. The responses I find interesting.

However I do have a few questions.

Rev. 20:4 was quoted. Has the beheading of God's people referred to in this prophecy verse happened on a large scale in the past? If your answer is yes then who may I ask did the beheading? And is this verse connect with Rev. 17:6 where the woman is "....drunken with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:" and is there a connection with "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth" [?] Rev. 18:24 The last two verses refer to a woman.

If your answer to the question of it happening before is no then what happen during the politically correct "Middle Ages"...........?

And why should any of this matter anyway?.........."That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past." Eccl. 3:16

Hi Pilgrim!

I'd like to try and answer your questions with your permission:



Maybe it's clearest to describe the woman. In biblical prophecy a woman is always a church. The pure woman is the remnant church in the last days. The bride of the Lamb is also this remnant chruch. The harlot, is a church that has committed spiritual fornication with the governments of men. This church held complete power over governments, deciding who would and would not rule governments. This church had this power for 1260 years, or forty-two months or a time, times and half a time. All the same period. This killing of the saints happened on a large scale in the past. Read "Inquisition" among many other examples. Those proclaimed heritics by this unlcean woman or harlot or mystery babylon (all the same entity), by disagreeing with decidedly non scriptural doctrine of the churh were tortured to death. Millions of them. I'm not sure about the translation beheading. Maybe we should confirm that the underlying word really translates into that.



This has happened and will happen again. Remember that besides physically killing people, doctrine designed to get you to pray to a dead person instead of Jesus Christ, call a human "Father" instead of your real father, confess to a priest instead of Jesus and worship idols will teach you to commit spiritual suicide. This killing goes on. This is of critical importance to the future in my opinion.

All the best to you

Pilgrim, Shekel will tell you that many events have taken place in a repeat pattern. We have had many Antichrists and many tribulations. The pattern is almost like a stutter. Short bursts of the same thing and then the long final one. I see it similar to finding the right place on the radio for the station....turning the dial and missing and getting and then...there it is.
Warnings, more warnings, and then the event.
A lot of 666's have been found , connected to various unsavoury characters in history, but the final one is yet to be revealed.

God does not seem to be so linear in His thoughts and actions as we are. For me (and this is thinking aloud) He moves in a more holographic or multidimensional way. Things connected to Him sometimes have many sides. All revolving around Jesus, and in the same time revealing truth to us on many levels of information.
In the book od Isaiah is a good example of this as you will see that the prophecy's are not all in chronological order.

Then look how Jesus was "patterned" by Moses, Joshua and others. God has never been "just of the letter" He seems to mix it all with a lot of spirit. He loves patterns and parallels. Pictures within pictures.
Cornelius

Good morning Cornelius. A student of quantum physics are we? I love your description of the nature of God. I agree whole heartedly.

sojourner

Thanks,
That gives me the context that I needed. This is the penalty for standing against the Anti-Christ. I believe that this will be in the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation, I believe. Could be wrong.!!! This points out very clearly how necessary it is to be watching and waiting when Jesus Comes! (Pre-Trib)
justaservant

Amen, Cornelius!

It's important for us to remember that prophecy isn't in chronological order. I like how you phrased this when you stated, "He loves patterns and parallels. Pictures within pictures." That's probably the best way I've heard anyone describe the way in which God has given us His word. I believe this is why the Jews were not able to recognize Christ as Messiah when He was here on earth.

Hello everyone. The above posts are very ineresting. I do not claim infalibilty or to have every angle of view neatly mapped out regarding the infinite mind and truths of God. "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free" (JN :32).."If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself." (JN7:17)..."Teach me, O LORD, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end. Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart." (Ps. 119:33, 34) " For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" (1Cor 12:8)...

In my view the significance of the balance of power in favor of an RC Judicial branch is that Kings bow to papal decrees. Has any king in history ever bowed? "....and God requireth that which is past." (Eccl. 3:15) More importantly; has any recent president bowed the knee? Is bowing the knees an act of worship? (Ps. 95:6) Please seriously consider the matter

Act of worship? Do you mean worshipping God or the pope. It would depend if you think the papal system is of God.

In God, the bowing of the knee is and act of submission. We worship in spirit and in truth. "out of the heart".
Maybe you could expand a bit more on what it is exactly you are asking or maybe I am just a bit dim
C

I could be wrong on this, but I really don't believe the U.S. supreme court has much of a role in the final countdown. Of course it would to those who believe that America is Rome. Which is not impossible. But I lean toward the idea that Rome is Europe. Which gives rise to the question of where the U.S. is in prophecy. If the European Union is Rome, prophecy is ominously silent on the future of the U.S. This silence is telling in itself. The answer came to me one day when I was showing my son, on a map, the highway that China is building through the Himalayas into the middle east. I was showing him how China could easily invade. People have scoffed for sometime at the likelyhood of such an invasion. Hal Lindsey reasoned that this invasion could only be done on horseback because of the mountainous terrain. Well, horses could be used but are not absolutely neccessary because of dangerous land formations. It may well be the the old fashion form of calvery will be revived in light of the oil situation. Prophecy says horses will be used and I believe that. But the highway is there now and the Chinese army will bring more than horses with them.

So, I'm showing this to my son. Confidently he states "This won't happen, because the U.S. will take them out by air." Which is when a little voice in my head tells me "Unless the U.S. is no longer a world power." And I was reminded of the tsunami. Nature is still a grave threat for the inhabitants of the earth. Being a super power will not defend us against natural disaster. I don't know if Russian or Chinese subs are hiding off of our coasts, but they may not be neccessary. All I know for sure is that the U.S. has no clear position in prophecy. Unless we are the Roman empire prophecy speaks of, we simply are not mentioned as a major player in Armegeddon.


sojourner

Also a kingdom devided against itself cannot stand. I am not close to the US but I have a sense that your government is devided against its own people. 9 11 seems to have a strange dark side from where I am sitting.
Cornelius

The Psalmist says: "O come let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker." (Ps. 95:6) Thus we see that kneeling is an act of worship. And yes Cornelius I to think that when kneeling is from the heart it shows submission to the one we kneel before and worship.

Since "...God requireth that which is passed." (Eccl. 3:16) then we I turn to a knowledge of Christian history to gain understanding of the present time. "Remember the things of old..." (Isa. 46:9)

History is replete with the fact that kings bowed down to papal decrees. Remember the Dark Ages? The RC church was head over all the governments of most of Europe. Whatever the church made mandatory was enforced by the civil arm of the land. One king had incurred the ill favor of the pope. He travelled many miles in the dead of winter to the pope's home; where he than was required to be bare foot in the snow for three full days before he can even see him.

What does this have to do with the Sumpreme Court in the U.S.?
A study of Daniel and Revelation brings clearly to view that a persecuting power would rule for 1260 days. These 1260 days are actually 1260 prophectic years according to (Eze. 4:6) and (Num. 14: 34) If one would read the description of this persecuting power and the outline of world events connect to it's rise then he or she will; by Divine revelation come to the understanding.

This persecuting power received its' deadly wound at exactly the time prophecy said it would. (1798) And then Scripture says: "...and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." (Rev. 13:3)

If you go back 1260 yrs. 1798 you get 538 AD.

And what happened in that year? And who was taken out of the way that the Wicked be revealed..."(2Thess. 2:7,8) Well why should that concern me?

Three powers where taken away so that the "Little Horn" can rise up.
Has any powers (countries) which will oppose the authority of the Papacy been uprooted yet? Two have already been uprooted.........We await the 3rd.

Hi Pligirm!

For what it's worth, you're right on the button. In 538 AD the roman emperor Justinian at the request of the founders of the catholic church, hunted down and destroyed 3 rivals. The Visigoths, the Ostragoths, and the Vandals. These three competing powers who were vying for control of the young church were uprooted and destroyed. Just a little history thing to support the clear descriptions of the little horn.

By the way, this time prophecy, from 538 AD to 1798 AD when the pope was imprisioned and died is also the same period described as forty-two months, and a time, times and half a time. These are all 1260 years.

May God bless you all!

Hi Sojourner!

I thought I'd toss out some food for thought about America for you to consider. I'm suggesting that America isn't the beast, or the beasts image or the harlot mystery babylon who sits on many waters. Here's a suggestion about what America might be as it relates to biblical prophecy.

What about America?

Yes, I believe the bible speaks of America directly. If we are in the end-times which I absolutely believe, America would figure to have a part. Its influence is also spread across the globe so it’s reasonable to think it would be described. So where is America in biblical prophecy?

We need to go back to the beast thing. I’m not saying America is a beast just yet, but there’s something important about these beast images to be learned that can help us. When a beast arises out of the sea, it means it arises out of my nations, peoples and tongues. When a beast arises out of the earth, its beginnings came from a place where there was no nation before. Ok, so what about this beasts that begins like a lamb, has two horns and speaks like a dragon?

Well, it arises out of the earth, so it’s in a place where there was no unified nation before. Where except North America would such a thing arise? It’s like a lamb, so what’s that mean? It would suggest to me that it got is start in things that are good. Its foundations are good, its goals are good and its works are good. How about America in this instance? Freedom, justice, the rule of law are all foundations of America. America fought bloody wars against oppression, fascism and even against itself to end slavery. This looks like it could be sort of a lamb. What about the two horns? Ok, what’s the founding principle of America? What causes there to be an America in the first place? Why did people come here to start with? It was to escape religious persecution. At the time, churches in Europe were using religion to try to kill people who didn’t agree with their doctrines. People were persecuted if their beliefs didn’t match-up with that of their governments. So the pilgrim’s took off and showed up in America. Pilgrims seem to me to be religious types. I think that’s what the label pilgrim suggests.

When America was founded the framers of its constitution placed within it the “establishment clause”. This is the separation of church and state. It is something unique about America. This was the case because these constitutional framers wanted a place that was free of government sponsored religious persecution. That’s why they came here. The establishment and ratification by the people of the US constitution drew the ire and objection of the Catholic Church. The church opposed this state where government and religion are separated. This is obviously a distinguishing mark of America. Could the two horns be the separate entities of church and state perhaps?

Does America now speak like a dragon? Does America have the power to do the things that are ascribed to this two-horned beast of revelation? Could it be that this defining separation between church and state might at this very minute be under attack? If these two things were no longer separated in America could America become the cause of religious persecution? Would the bible care about religious persecution? The blood of the saints are important aren’t they? Isn’t that referring to religious persecution perhaps?

When you watch on TV and see the barrier between church and state in the US crumble and fall, will this mean more to you then? Isn’t the Taliban and fundamentalist governments in Iran and elsewhere just more examples of the bad things that happen when religion and government are mixed? When God calls a church a whore because she mixes with kings or governments, could it be because He thinks it’s a really bad idea?

Just some food for thought.

I love you all!

Forgive me folks, I forgot to mention something important.

If the separation between Church and State, enshrined in the US constitution is a critical factor in defining the two-horned beast that speaks like a dragon, then where will this battle be played out?

The US Supreme Court is the sole protectors of the US Constitution in my opinion. The other two branches of US Government are supposed to protect and defend the constitution also, but they're really haven't taken that oath too seriously lately.

The US Supreme Court is the battleground where this will be decided. If the separation between Church and State in America falls, it will be by the hand of the US Supreme Court.

Sorry I forgot to include this in my last post.

God Bless you!! I'd say "God Bless the United States of America" but i personally think those days are past.

Mr. David,

What policy do you think would prevent the U.S. from coming to Irael's rescue?

sojourner

Hi Sojourner!

The way things look right now, I wouldn't be able to come-up with any policy that would prevent the US from protecting Israel.

Here's a possibility though. This is just food for thought and co-incides with my beleif regarding the mark of the beast. If the US is the two horned lamblike thing, it will use its global power to force all to accept the mark, whatever it is. Try out this idea;

If the mark is in fact what I've said it is, being Sunday worship and the abandonment of the true Saturday Sabbath codified in the law, then the nation of Israel would certainly refuse to comply. Isreal would tell the US to drop dead if the US attempted to force them to worship God on Sunday and forsake the true Saturday Sabbath.

This policy would prompt the US to withdraw it's support for Isreal.

By the way, watch as this in fact happens.

Well, I guess we will have to wait and watch as the future unfolds, Mr. David. It will be very good to have this choice of ideas to draw from when things start to heat up.

sojourner

I, too, am waiting for these events to come to pass.

I feel that its much closer than we realize..... mobile guillotines, mobile "prison" trucks, and concentration camps hidden on our own soil....

I would go so far as to say that the plans are already there... "they" (the powers behind the powers) are simply waiting for the appointed time to make "their" move.

Yes my beloved brothers and sisters,

If I might make some suggestions. Begin preparing yourself and strenghtening your faith. As the wall between church and state crumbles further, the size of disasters will increase. The financial collapses and the wars will intensify. Be ready and watchful.

Once the governments begin to debate honoring "Sunday" worship as a way to try and appease the angry Creator, that's your que to slip away. They will first punish those who disobey with economic boycott. Please don't give in, I beg you.

You will be hated by everyone if you refuse the mark. They will blame the disasters on you. You must be strong to overcome. Read scripture about overcoming and enduring until the end. Be prepared to disobey the law of the land at all costs when it conflicts with the law of our Creator.

Thank you for your open-minded consideration. As you suggest, be watchful.

I am your servant.