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Hamas – the choice of 'Palestine'
By Ryan Jones
January 26th, 2006
US President George W. Bush was wrong. Dead wrong.During a joint press conference with PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas in May of last year, Bush insisted Hamas had no chance of winning Wednesday's Palestinian Legislative Council election.
“I don't think they're going to get elected, because I think Palestinian moms want their children to grow up in peace just like American moms want their children to grow up in peace,” he told reporters at the White House.
In October, the American reiterated his conviction that the “Palestinian” masses would vote for the “party of peace.”
Based on this firm belief, the Bush Administration pressed Israel to drop any planned action to hinder or thwart the PLC election, despite the participation of recognized terror groups.
But during the 12 hours of polling Wednesday, the Palestinian Arabs revealed that Bush's view of them as a people that first and foremost seek peaceful coexistence with the Jewish state is erroneous at best.
As the votes were counted Thursday morning, PA election officials indicated Hamas had managed to capture all major constituencies in Judea, Samaria and Gaza.
A short time later the Associated Press reported that senior Fatah officials had conceded defeat to the terror group.
Leading Hamas candidate Ismail Haniyah confirmed that according to data he received, “Hamas has won more than 70 seats in Gaza and the West Bank, which gives it more than 50 percent of the vote.”
There are 132 seats in the PLC.
If current reports hold true, Hamas will be tasked with forming the next PA government, giving the group considerable influence over the diplomatic process with Israel.
from: http://www.jnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=969
Full Version: Hamas - The Choice Of 'palestine'
Unbelievable. Well, if anyone had ANY doubt that we are setting up for Gog Magog.... um, well, there sure ain't any now.
LORD, I pray for the peace of Israel. Keep Your promises, protect your people.
LORD, I pray for the peace of Israel. Keep Your promises, protect your people.
silly...some probably think this is "humus" salad food or "humus" the dirt....
When the world begins to wreak havoc on the earth the only thing that will not be moved is the Kingdom of God. “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken let us be thankful and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe…” [Hebrews 12:29]
Thank God for the place of refuge that He has provided--”God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble, Therefore we will not fear though the earth give way…” [Psalm 46:1-2a] There is a place of refuge and that place is the place of WORSHIP birthed in gratitude for the mercy and grace that has provided us a ‘safe place’. Hallelujah!
When the world begins to wreak havoc on the earth the only thing that will not be moved is the Kingdom of God. “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken let us be thankful and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe…” [Hebrews 12:29]
Thank God for the place of refuge that He has provided--”God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble, Therefore we will not fear though the earth give way…” [Psalm 46:1-2a] There is a place of refuge and that place is the place of WORSHIP birthed in gratitude for the mercy and grace that has provided us a ‘safe place’. Hallelujah!
"Thank God for the place of refuge that He has provided--”God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble, Therefore we will not fear though the earth give way…” [Psalm 46:1-2a] There is a place of refuge and that place is the place of WORSHIP birthed in gratitude for the mercy and grace that has provided us a ‘safe place’. Hallelujah! "
Lois. that IS the "place". God is our Strong Tower of Refuge.
to Him, the righteous run, and are given protection.
Hamas, winning by a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED means, illustrates with precision, the fact that democracy is NOT the "hope for the world", as the current US administration had stated last year, given as the reason for invading Iraq. (well, that was ONE reason given, among others.)
....Point-- Illustrated....
so it then becomes Hypocrisy to state that "DEMOCRACY is the hope for the world!", and then to state the the results of the election are not acceptable.
i think God laughs.
"democracy, the great american experiment"...
has failed.
let's see.....what if "democracy" had existed in the days before the flood?
what if "democracy" was the order of the day in Sodom?
God laughs.
God's Kingdom is not a democracy.
it is a THEOCRACY.
and for that, i am ever so grateful.
May God's KINGDOM COME.
May HIS WILL BE DONE. (not the will of the people, but the will of GOD)
so be it.
-bz
Lois. that IS the "place". God is our Strong Tower of Refuge.
to Him, the righteous run, and are given protection.
Hamas, winning by a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED means, illustrates with precision, the fact that democracy is NOT the "hope for the world", as the current US administration had stated last year, given as the reason for invading Iraq. (well, that was ONE reason given, among others.)
....Point-- Illustrated....
so it then becomes Hypocrisy to state that "DEMOCRACY is the hope for the world!", and then to state the the results of the election are not acceptable.
i think God laughs.
"democracy, the great american experiment"...
has failed.
let's see.....what if "democracy" had existed in the days before the flood?
what if "democracy" was the order of the day in Sodom?
God laughs.
God's Kingdom is not a democracy.
it is a THEOCRACY.
and for that, i am ever so grateful.
May God's KINGDOM COME.
May HIS WILL BE DONE. (not the will of the people, but the will of GOD)
so be it.
-bz
Jack Van Impe quotes CNN as reporting that the Palestinian Prime Minister will resign:
CNN reports: “In a stunning development ahead of official election results, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qorie said he and the rest of the Palestinian Authority government will resign in the wake of militant group Hamas' apparent victory in historic elections.
The announcement was an acknowledgment that election results showed Hamas had won a majority of seats in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council, supplanting the ruling Fatah party.
Qorie's office said it will be up to Hamas to form a new government.
‘It's the choice of the people and it should be respected,’ Qorie said. ‘I think, if the majority is approved and has been reached, I think Hamas should form a new government, it's true. The president should ask Hamas to form a new government.
‘For me personally, I sent my resignation to the president to enable him to choose a new prime minister,’ Qorie said.
Initial election results are scheduled to be released Thursday at 7 p.m. (noon ET).
Exit polls earlier had shown Hamas thrusting itself into the center of Palestinian politics but had not indicated an outright majority win by the group.
The exit poll from Bir Zeit University, a respected Palestinian school, showed Fatah garnered 46.4 percent of the vote and Hamas won 39.8 percent in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council. That translates into 63 seats for Fatah and 58 for Hamas, according to the exit poll.
But other polls showed Hamas claiming a slim majority, a claim echoed by some Hamas officials, prompting a warning from Jerusalem.
Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel could not accept a situation in which Hamas in its current configuration -- committed to the destruction of Israel -- was a part of the Palestinian Authority.
‘I will not negotiate with a government that does not meet its most basic obligations -- to fight terrorism. We are prepared to assist the Palestinians and Abu Mazen (Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas) very much but they must meet their commitments,’ Olmert said, according to a statement released by his office.
The European Union, meanwhile, said it was prepared to work with any government -- to a point…”
good gracious
CNN reports: “In a stunning development ahead of official election results, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qorie said he and the rest of the Palestinian Authority government will resign in the wake of militant group Hamas' apparent victory in historic elections.
The announcement was an acknowledgment that election results showed Hamas had won a majority of seats in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council, supplanting the ruling Fatah party.
Qorie's office said it will be up to Hamas to form a new government.
‘It's the choice of the people and it should be respected,’ Qorie said. ‘I think, if the majority is approved and has been reached, I think Hamas should form a new government, it's true. The president should ask Hamas to form a new government.
‘For me personally, I sent my resignation to the president to enable him to choose a new prime minister,’ Qorie said.
Initial election results are scheduled to be released Thursday at 7 p.m. (noon ET).
Exit polls earlier had shown Hamas thrusting itself into the center of Palestinian politics but had not indicated an outright majority win by the group.
The exit poll from Bir Zeit University, a respected Palestinian school, showed Fatah garnered 46.4 percent of the vote and Hamas won 39.8 percent in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council. That translates into 63 seats for Fatah and 58 for Hamas, according to the exit poll.
But other polls showed Hamas claiming a slim majority, a claim echoed by some Hamas officials, prompting a warning from Jerusalem.
Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel could not accept a situation in which Hamas in its current configuration -- committed to the destruction of Israel -- was a part of the Palestinian Authority.
‘I will not negotiate with a government that does not meet its most basic obligations -- to fight terrorism. We are prepared to assist the Palestinians and Abu Mazen (Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas) very much but they must meet their commitments,’ Olmert said, according to a statement released by his office.
The European Union, meanwhile, said it was prepared to work with any government -- to a point…”
good gracious
Hamas: Bush won't dictate to us
Group spokesman tells Ynet Palestinians back Hamas positions on resistance to occupation, says group does not accept dictates from America
Ali Waked
United State President George W. Bush's insistence on disarming Hamas constitutes a "blatant interference in Palestinian affairs," Hamas spokesman Sheikh Yasser Mansour told Ynet in an interview Thursday morning.
"We completely reject and do not accept Bush's remarks regarding disarming us," Mansour said. "Nobody can force us to disarm."
Turning his attention to what is shaping up as an impressive Hamas election victory, the group spokesman said "this great triumph shows the Palestinian people very much support Hamas' diplomatic and politic plan."
"The nation supports our positions on all maters related to Palestinian resistance to the occupation and in all matters related to the diplomatic way we must follow," Mansour said, adding Palestinians also support the need to undertake serious changes in the day-to-day lives of residents.
"The nation chose the leadership and party that it believes can carry out that change," he said.
If you indeed won, it is unlikely you will remain out of government
"The matter of our participation in the government has not yet been decided, but we'll take a decision that is commensurate with the results and the desire to do everything to serve the Palestinian people in the best way possible."
Will we see Hamas Minister Yasser Mansour sitting with an Israeli counterpart tomorrow?
Mansour laughed and responded elegantly, while avoiding the issue of Hamas' calls for Israel's destruction: "It's too early to say, but Hamas will do everything to serve the Palestinian people and improve its condition. We'll discuss this issue just like all other issues, and at the end of the process the decision to be taken will be the one that serves the Palestinian people.
Will you disarm, as is expected of a governing party and as President Bush demanded tonight?
"The question of arms is related to the occupation and we do not accept dictates from Bush or from anyone else. The arms, like everything else, are at the service of the Palestinian people and we won't give in to this blatant interference from Bush, whose remarks are not new, and were always against the Palestinians and their interests."
from: http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLa...3206743,00.html
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Group spokesman tells Ynet Palestinians back Hamas positions on resistance to occupation, says group does not accept dictates from America
Ali Waked
United State President George W. Bush's insistence on disarming Hamas constitutes a "blatant interference in Palestinian affairs," Hamas spokesman Sheikh Yasser Mansour told Ynet in an interview Thursday morning.
"We completely reject and do not accept Bush's remarks regarding disarming us," Mansour said. "Nobody can force us to disarm."
Turning his attention to what is shaping up as an impressive Hamas election victory, the group spokesman said "this great triumph shows the Palestinian people very much support Hamas' diplomatic and politic plan."
"The nation supports our positions on all maters related to Palestinian resistance to the occupation and in all matters related to the diplomatic way we must follow," Mansour said, adding Palestinians also support the need to undertake serious changes in the day-to-day lives of residents.
"The nation chose the leadership and party that it believes can carry out that change," he said.
If you indeed won, it is unlikely you will remain out of government
"The matter of our participation in the government has not yet been decided, but we'll take a decision that is commensurate with the results and the desire to do everything to serve the Palestinian people in the best way possible."
Will we see Hamas Minister Yasser Mansour sitting with an Israeli counterpart tomorrow?
Mansour laughed and responded elegantly, while avoiding the issue of Hamas' calls for Israel's destruction: "It's too early to say, but Hamas will do everything to serve the Palestinian people and improve its condition. We'll discuss this issue just like all other issues, and at the end of the process the decision to be taken will be the one that serves the Palestinian people.
Will you disarm, as is expected of a governing party and as President Bush demanded tonight?
"The question of arms is related to the occupation and we do not accept dictates from Bush or from anyone else. The arms, like everything else, are at the service of the Palestinian people and we won't give in to this blatant interference from Bush, whose remarks are not new, and were always against the Palestinians and their interests."
from: http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLa...3206743,00.html
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Now Israel has a terrorist government with a flag to squash the first time it hiccups.
Israel released a statement on the election of Hamas...
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Interim Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Thursday that the Jewish state would not negotiate with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas, set to form the new cabinet after winning a legislative election.
"Israel will not conduct any negotiation with a Palestinian government, if it includes any (members of) an armed terror organization that calls for Israel's destruction," Olmert's office said in a statement.
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Interim Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Thursday that the Jewish state would not negotiate with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas, set to form the new cabinet after winning a legislative election.
"Israel will not conduct any negotiation with a Palestinian government, if it includes any (members of) an armed terror organization that calls for Israel's destruction," Olmert's office said in a statement.
After the "Palestinian" election, now what.
Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2006
- written by jerry golden
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Please forgive the paypal logo, I am trying to get it taken off this site. I no longer do any business with them.
For years I’ve been hearing Israelis and the International Community say, the average “Palestinian” really wants peace, and that they are just normal people who want to get along and make a living like the rest of us. Well we can put that lie to rest. What this “Palestinian” election proves beyond any doubt is these people want nothing but the destruction of Israel at any cost. Peace is not part of their Islamic Jihad thinking. There isn’t one “Palestinian” who didn’t understand that a vote for Hamas was a vote for continued terrorism towards Israel. That more suicide bombers and car bombs along with more advanced warfare will be the order of the day from now on. Out of 132 seats in the PA, 76 will now belong be Hamas, that means they will not need to form a coalition for they are the majority in control of the PA.
The first thing I heard today on Israeli TV was a remark from a Hamas Leader, you could hear in the back ground the Arabic “Itbach al Juhud” (Slaughter the Jews) he said there will be no negotiation with Israel and they will not give up their arms, that this is a new day for “Palestine”. I then read about the new Fatah-al Aqsa missile they now have thanks to the open borders with Egypt. This missile has a 27 kilometer range, putting all of Ashkelon in serious danger. Not only can this weapon when fired from Gaza hit the major city of Ashkelon but others like Netivot, Ofakim, and all of the smaller Jewish town just north of Be’er Sheva the largest city in the Negev. It is a Russian made (of course) Grad 121mm. It is also known that many shoulder held heat-seeking ground to air missiles (Russian made of course) are now in the hands of Hamas as well as in the hands of terrorists in Samaria and Judea putting commercial airliners in danger. With the Gaza/Egyptian border open for all weapons to come in, we now find that not only al-Qaida is making a very strong presence in Gaza but the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood who are affiliated with the Wahbadi out of Saudi Arabia, this is a very dangerous mixture of Islamic fanatics.
One thing is certain this is a sad day for the Arab’s who call themselves “Palestinians” and an even sadder day for Israel and the rest of the civilized world. For peace took a back seat to Islamic terrorism and the near future for this region just got a lot darker. The question is now when will the fireworks begin? My guess is we won’t have to wait very long to find out. What we now have in Gaza and the so-called West Bank (Judea and Samaria) are terrorists who will take their orders from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Egypt. And the money will pour in for the terrorists while the average Arab who voted for Hamas will suffer more than they ever thought possible before it is over. The US, EU and others will now have to make the decision to support a PA controlled by a Terrorist organization or turn their backs on the “Palestinian” people, and why not they over whelming voted for Hamas as their leader.
To add insult to injury we here in Israel have a Government gearing up for an election and is itself in transition, with an acting Prime Minister who belongs in one of the liberal Parties, or better said has taken over where Sharon left off in forming a far left Party behind the lie of being in the Center. Something no one is talking about is that the Hamas victory is a direct result of the Bush/Sharon Disengagement as is the military build up of Terrorists in Gaza. So it is fair to say that the coming war is also a direct result of the Disengagement.
No one really knows what the next few days or weeks will bring us here in Israel but I don’t know anyone who is optimistic about it. It’s easy to say as a Believer living in the US or elsewhere Praise God for it brings the day of our deliverance closer and the coming of the Messiah is at hand. But to be living in the shadow of possible attacks and destruction daily can begin to take a toll on you, if you don’t keep your eyes on God’s calling on your life. It has a way of separating the strong from the weak, and the truly strong who have walked with the Lord for many years know their strength comes not from their courage but from God. And you begin to see who will be around to hold up their end when the chips fall. I know many Believers in this land and I can tell you that most of them haven’t come to the reality of what is about to happen yet.
I must admit something to you my major concern is not the coming violence and wars, but the possibility of not being ready to fulfill the mission given to us. That if we should fail the real suffering will come to those we couldn’t reach to help. I will give a couple of links for those who haven’t read them. http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysn...ewer.asp?a=1000 and you might want to read this one http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysn...r.asp?a=947&z=2 .
Connie and I will be traveling to Cyprus next week we ask for your prayers.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, for our son Joel and all of the IDF soldiers. Pray for all those who have come to fight the Islamic enemy. Pray for this Ministry and your part in it. Shalom, jerry golden
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The Golden Reort
http://www.thegoldenreport.com/
Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2006
- written by jerry golden
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Please forgive the paypal logo, I am trying to get it taken off this site. I no longer do any business with them.
For years I’ve been hearing Israelis and the International Community say, the average “Palestinian” really wants peace, and that they are just normal people who want to get along and make a living like the rest of us. Well we can put that lie to rest. What this “Palestinian” election proves beyond any doubt is these people want nothing but the destruction of Israel at any cost. Peace is not part of their Islamic Jihad thinking. There isn’t one “Palestinian” who didn’t understand that a vote for Hamas was a vote for continued terrorism towards Israel. That more suicide bombers and car bombs along with more advanced warfare will be the order of the day from now on. Out of 132 seats in the PA, 76 will now belong be Hamas, that means they will not need to form a coalition for they are the majority in control of the PA.
The first thing I heard today on Israeli TV was a remark from a Hamas Leader, you could hear in the back ground the Arabic “Itbach al Juhud” (Slaughter the Jews) he said there will be no negotiation with Israel and they will not give up their arms, that this is a new day for “Palestine”. I then read about the new Fatah-al Aqsa missile they now have thanks to the open borders with Egypt. This missile has a 27 kilometer range, putting all of Ashkelon in serious danger. Not only can this weapon when fired from Gaza hit the major city of Ashkelon but others like Netivot, Ofakim, and all of the smaller Jewish town just north of Be’er Sheva the largest city in the Negev. It is a Russian made (of course) Grad 121mm. It is also known that many shoulder held heat-seeking ground to air missiles (Russian made of course) are now in the hands of Hamas as well as in the hands of terrorists in Samaria and Judea putting commercial airliners in danger. With the Gaza/Egyptian border open for all weapons to come in, we now find that not only al-Qaida is making a very strong presence in Gaza but the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood who are affiliated with the Wahbadi out of Saudi Arabia, this is a very dangerous mixture of Islamic fanatics.
One thing is certain this is a sad day for the Arab’s who call themselves “Palestinians” and an even sadder day for Israel and the rest of the civilized world. For peace took a back seat to Islamic terrorism and the near future for this region just got a lot darker. The question is now when will the fireworks begin? My guess is we won’t have to wait very long to find out. What we now have in Gaza and the so-called West Bank (Judea and Samaria) are terrorists who will take their orders from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Egypt. And the money will pour in for the terrorists while the average Arab who voted for Hamas will suffer more than they ever thought possible before it is over. The US, EU and others will now have to make the decision to support a PA controlled by a Terrorist organization or turn their backs on the “Palestinian” people, and why not they over whelming voted for Hamas as their leader.
To add insult to injury we here in Israel have a Government gearing up for an election and is itself in transition, with an acting Prime Minister who belongs in one of the liberal Parties, or better said has taken over where Sharon left off in forming a far left Party behind the lie of being in the Center. Something no one is talking about is that the Hamas victory is a direct result of the Bush/Sharon Disengagement as is the military build up of Terrorists in Gaza. So it is fair to say that the coming war is also a direct result of the Disengagement.
No one really knows what the next few days or weeks will bring us here in Israel but I don’t know anyone who is optimistic about it. It’s easy to say as a Believer living in the US or elsewhere Praise God for it brings the day of our deliverance closer and the coming of the Messiah is at hand. But to be living in the shadow of possible attacks and destruction daily can begin to take a toll on you, if you don’t keep your eyes on God’s calling on your life. It has a way of separating the strong from the weak, and the truly strong who have walked with the Lord for many years know their strength comes not from their courage but from God. And you begin to see who will be around to hold up their end when the chips fall. I know many Believers in this land and I can tell you that most of them haven’t come to the reality of what is about to happen yet.
I must admit something to you my major concern is not the coming violence and wars, but the possibility of not being ready to fulfill the mission given to us. That if we should fail the real suffering will come to those we couldn’t reach to help. I will give a couple of links for those who haven’t read them. http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysn...ewer.asp?a=1000 and you might want to read this one http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysn...r.asp?a=947&z=2 .
Connie and I will be traveling to Cyprus next week we ask for your prayers.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, for our son Joel and all of the IDF soldiers. Pray for all those who have come to fight the Islamic enemy. Pray for this Ministry and your part in it. Shalom, jerry golden
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The Golden Reort
http://www.thegoldenreport.com/
What is should be obvious to good ole GWB now is:
1) Democracy isn't for everyone
2) The notion that militant islamic fundamentalist and thier supporters are few.
and
Just when you thought that Jerusalem couldn't become a more burdensome stone to the nations, now this.
Stay tuned and keep those eyes peeled for the one who offers a 7 year peace plan folks. The stage is set, put on the full armor of God, pray , stitback and hold on.
1) Democracy isn't for everyone
2) The notion that militant islamic fundamentalist and thier supporters are few.
and
Just when you thought that Jerusalem couldn't become a more burdensome stone to the nations, now this.
Stay tuned and keep those eyes peeled for the one who offers a 7 year peace plan folks. The stage is set, put on the full armor of God, pray , stitback and hold on.
Democracy maybe the best form of human government but unfortunately it is imperfect. The Bush administration policy of promoting democracy to hostile Islamic is sure to backfire against the US.
QUOTE(daysofnoah @ Jan 26 2006, 01:36 PM)
Jack Van Impe quotes CNN as reporting that the Palestinian Prime Minister will resign:
CNN reports: “In a stunning development ahead of official election results, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qorie said he and the rest of the Palestinian Authority government will resign in the wake of militant group Hamas' apparent victory in historic elections.
The announcement was an acknowledgment that election results showed Hamas had won a majority of seats in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council, supplanting the ruling Fatah party.
Qorie's office said it will be up to Hamas to form a new government.
‘It's the choice of the people and it should be respected,’ Qorie said. ‘I think, if the majority is approved and has been reached, I think Hamas should form a new government, it's true. The president should ask Hamas to form a new government.
‘For me personally, I sent my resignation to the president to enable him to choose a new prime minister,’ Qorie said.
Initial election results are scheduled to be released Thursday at 7 p.m. (noon ET).
Exit polls earlier had shown Hamas thrusting itself into the center of Palestinian politics but had not indicated an outright majority win by the group.
The exit poll from Bir Zeit University, a respected Palestinian school, showed Fatah garnered 46.4 percent of the vote and Hamas won 39.8 percent in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council. That translates into 63 seats for Fatah and 58 for Hamas, according to the exit poll.
But other polls showed Hamas claiming a slim majority, a claim echoed by some Hamas officials, prompting a warning from Jerusalem.
Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel could not accept a situation in which Hamas in its current configuration -- committed to the destruction of Israel -- was a part of the Palestinian Authority.
‘I will not negotiate with a government that does not meet its most basic obligations -- to fight terrorism. We are prepared to assist the Palestinians and Abu Mazen (Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas) very much but they must meet their commitments,’ Olmert said, according to a statement released by his office.
The European Union, meanwhile, said it was prepared to work with any government -- to a point…”
good gracious
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CNN reports: “In a stunning development ahead of official election results, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qorie said he and the rest of the Palestinian Authority government will resign in the wake of militant group Hamas' apparent victory in historic elections.
The announcement was an acknowledgment that election results showed Hamas had won a majority of seats in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council, supplanting the ruling Fatah party.
Qorie's office said it will be up to Hamas to form a new government.
‘It's the choice of the people and it should be respected,’ Qorie said. ‘I think, if the majority is approved and has been reached, I think Hamas should form a new government, it's true. The president should ask Hamas to form a new government.
‘For me personally, I sent my resignation to the president to enable him to choose a new prime minister,’ Qorie said.
Initial election results are scheduled to be released Thursday at 7 p.m. (noon ET).
Exit polls earlier had shown Hamas thrusting itself into the center of Palestinian politics but had not indicated an outright majority win by the group.
The exit poll from Bir Zeit University, a respected Palestinian school, showed Fatah garnered 46.4 percent of the vote and Hamas won 39.8 percent in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council. That translates into 63 seats for Fatah and 58 for Hamas, according to the exit poll.
But other polls showed Hamas claiming a slim majority, a claim echoed by some Hamas officials, prompting a warning from Jerusalem.
Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel could not accept a situation in which Hamas in its current configuration -- committed to the destruction of Israel -- was a part of the Palestinian Authority.
‘I will not negotiate with a government that does not meet its most basic obligations -- to fight terrorism. We are prepared to assist the Palestinians and Abu Mazen (Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas) very much but they must meet their commitments,’ Olmert said, according to a statement released by his office.
The European Union, meanwhile, said it was prepared to work with any government -- to a point…”
good gracious
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I never believed in the peace initiatives that the USA and others have instituted towards getting things to calm down in that area. I never believed in them because I know that the scriptures must be fulfilled. I was shocked and amazed as I heard this news today. It is inevitable now that Israel cannot and will not co-operate into the future with palestinian intitiatives, given that they now have a new oxymoronic govt to deal with...democratic terrorsits...whoda thunk it? This is getting all too crazy....
I have had the shakes all day. I just can't get rid of them.
I felt this way in the morning.
I am not sick but sick at heart.
I know this is all to be fulfilled.
I am praying for the jews everywhere.
Praying for all of us.
Hold onto Jesus with everything you've got. Don't look away from Him for one second. Read the Good book and know that He is with us.
Things are definitely happening quickly.
Love you Lord.
I pray you protect your children.
I felt this way in the morning.
I am not sick but sick at heart.
I know this is all to be fulfilled.
I am praying for the jews everywhere.
Praying for all of us.
Hold onto Jesus with everything you've got. Don't look away from Him for one second. Read the Good book and know that He is with us.
Things are definitely happening quickly.
Love you Lord.
I pray you protect your children.
QUOTE(Mazinaw @ Jan 26 2006, 07:50 PM)
I never believed in the peace initiatives that the USA and others have instituted towards getting things to calm down in that area. I never believed in them because I know that the scriptures must be fulfilled. I was shocked and amazed as I heard this news today. It is inevitable now that Israel cannot and will not co-operate into the future with palestinian intitiatives, given that they now have a new oxymoronic govt to deal with...democratic terrorsits...whoda thunk it? This is getting all too crazy....
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We can only believe in God and His words.
The scriptures hold true.
You are right Maz and whoda thunk it -democratic terrorists!
This is getting more intense than any sci fi movie you could watch.
We are thrown into the biggest reality movie to be played out and we
are all cast members. There are the good guys and the bad guys.
I am thanking God that we are on His side-He is soooooo good to us.
We will see Jesus soon. Oh how that keeps us going.
QUOTE(RosielovesJesus @ Jan 26 2006, 08:14 PM)
QUOTE(Mazinaw @ Jan 26 2006, 07:50 PM)
I never believed in the peace initiatives that the USA and others have instituted towards getting things to calm down in that area. I never believed in them because I know that the scriptures must be fulfilled. I was shocked and amazed as I heard this news today. It is inevitable now that Israel cannot and will not co-operate into the future with palestinian intitiatives, given that they now have a new oxymoronic govt to deal with...democratic terrorsits...whoda thunk it? This is getting all too crazy....
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We can only believe in God and His words.
The scriptures hold true.
You are right Maz and whoda thunk it -democratic terrorists!
This is getting more intense than any sci fi movie you could watch.
We are thrown into the biggest reality movie to be played out and we
are all cast members. There are the good guys and the bad guys.
I am thanking God that we are on His side-He is soooooo good to us.
We will see Jesus soon. Oh how that keeps us going.
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I'm just thankful we have a Script to this reality movie. I'm also thankful that there is a happy ending for those who believe.
HE'S GOT THE WHOLE 
IN HIS HANDS!
The fate of Isreal's enemies
Jim Bramlett
Jan 26 2006 03:18PM
Dear friends:
Satan has always tried to destroy the Jewish people, because they are the ones, the Bible says, to whom the oracles of God are given (Romans 3:2), and through whom the Messiah would come.
In Queen Esther's day, the devil tried to use Haman. But God protected the Jews, Haman's scheme was uncovered, and, they "hanged him on the gallows" (Esther 8:7). God's justice.
The First Advent came on God's schedule, "in the fullness of time."
After Jesus was born, the devil then tried to use Herod to kill him, by killing all the boy babies in Bethlehem age two and under. He failed, of course, and later, Herod "was eaten by worms and died" (Acts 12:23). God's justice.
Satan also used Hitler to try to kill all the Jews, to try to stop Messiah's second coming, which required Israel to be preserved and back in the land. Hitler failed and later died a deranged suicide as brave Allied troops closed in on him. God's justice.
Now, Satan is trying to use Islam. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has announced his intention of doing what Hitler failed to do. Sorry, Mr. Mahmoud, but you are heading for a fate similar to Haman, Herod, and Hitler. Take your choice: the gallows, worms, or suicide?
Or should we say, Haman, Herod, Hitler, and Hamas? Today we learn that in a shock result Hamas won the Palestinian election. But no one should be surprised. The true colors of the Palestinians have now been revealed. The fraud of the so-called Road Map for Peace has been exposed, at last.
The Road Map was well-intended, but based on a delusion. Thankfully, that delusion has now been shattered. Pray for our President, for wisdom and insight.
It will be interesting to see how quickly the compromising EU will cozy up to and embrace Hamas. Hopefully, the U.S. never will.
With Iran rattling its nuclear sabre, with Hamas now in charge of the P.A., with Sharon still comatose in la la land, the road ahead for Israel and the U.S. is a rough one.
But God's plan and justice will prevail. Messiah's return will be on schedule and in the fullness of time, just like the first time He came.
The devil always loses and God always wins. Let us not wring our hands but rejoice, be glad, and be watchful. Jesus is coming!
Jim
IN HIS HANDS!The fate of Isreal's enemies
Jim Bramlett
Jan 26 2006 03:18PM
Dear friends:
Satan has always tried to destroy the Jewish people, because they are the ones, the Bible says, to whom the oracles of God are given (Romans 3:2), and through whom the Messiah would come.
In Queen Esther's day, the devil tried to use Haman. But God protected the Jews, Haman's scheme was uncovered, and, they "hanged him on the gallows" (Esther 8:7). God's justice.
The First Advent came on God's schedule, "in the fullness of time."
After Jesus was born, the devil then tried to use Herod to kill him, by killing all the boy babies in Bethlehem age two and under. He failed, of course, and later, Herod "was eaten by worms and died" (Acts 12:23). God's justice.
Satan also used Hitler to try to kill all the Jews, to try to stop Messiah's second coming, which required Israel to be preserved and back in the land. Hitler failed and later died a deranged suicide as brave Allied troops closed in on him. God's justice.
Now, Satan is trying to use Islam. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has announced his intention of doing what Hitler failed to do. Sorry, Mr. Mahmoud, but you are heading for a fate similar to Haman, Herod, and Hitler. Take your choice: the gallows, worms, or suicide?
Or should we say, Haman, Herod, Hitler, and Hamas? Today we learn that in a shock result Hamas won the Palestinian election. But no one should be surprised. The true colors of the Palestinians have now been revealed. The fraud of the so-called Road Map for Peace has been exposed, at last.
The Road Map was well-intended, but based on a delusion. Thankfully, that delusion has now been shattered. Pray for our President, for wisdom and insight.
It will be interesting to see how quickly the compromising EU will cozy up to and embrace Hamas. Hopefully, the U.S. never will.
With Iran rattling its nuclear sabre, with Hamas now in charge of the P.A., with Sharon still comatose in la la land, the road ahead for Israel and the U.S. is a rough one.
But God's plan and justice will prevail. Messiah's return will be on schedule and in the fullness of time, just like the first time He came.
The devil always loses and God always wins. Let us not wring our hands but rejoice, be glad, and be watchful. Jesus is coming!
Jim
QUOTE(jhamner @ Jan 26 2006, 05:42 AM)
Unbelievable. Well, if anyone had ANY doubt that we are setting up for Gog Magog.... um, well, there sure ain't any now.
LORD, I pray for the peace of Israel. Keep Your promises, protect your people.
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That is exactly what came to my mind.
I'm watching on tv where there is tense Fatah demonstration in Gaza strip. They are calling for Mahmoud resignation.
Fatah is rally outside house of Mahmoud Abbas and is turning violent in Gasa.
Kim
Fatah is rally outside house of Mahmoud Abbas and is turning violent in Gasa.
Kim
Wow...middle east is boiling...riots outside of Abbas' home by his own party...blaming him for their loss in elections and hamas' win....israel up in arms (literally) over it all!! Oh my Kim...............here we go!.......................................................
just reading in the ISRAEL REPORT
As so clearly foretold, Gaza has been turned into the largest and most heavily armed terrorist base in the entire world just in the short few months since being turned over to the Palestinians. Hamas was radical enough already, but again with the infusion of Al Qaeda into the mix, the hatred is covering Israel like a blanket and you can feel the sense of coming doom. At least I can. Mr. Gold said that they have intercepted communications and know that within six months the Palestinians have plans to start launching their newly acquired and more accurate missiles into the center of Ben Gurion airport, at the rate of two per day. They know that if they can bring down one plane, or knock out one terminal, if they can score even one or two close hits, that all international carriers will stop all flights into and out of Israel, effectively turning Israel into an isolated prison camp for the Jews.
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Fatah defeat sparks protest against Abbas
Three also wounded in Gaza gunbattle
GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Angry Fatah supporters took to the streets of Gaza City on Friday, blaming Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas for their party's trouncing by the militant group Hamas in parliamentary elections.
Abbas was in the West Bank on Friday, where he called on Hamas to form a new government after its election landslide snatched power from Fatah's ruling old guard this week.
Protesters gathered around Abbas' home in Gaza City, shooting guns in the air and accusing him of being a "collaborator" with Israel.
Demonstrators said Abbas allowed Hamas to launch a "revolution," overthrowing decades of Fatah rule.
Uniformed Palestinian police lined the walls outside Abbas' home, trying to keep people back.
Meanwhile, Abbas made a public request to Hamas leaders.
"I would ask the party that won the most votes in parliamentary elections to form the next government," Abbas said. "Until now, we haven't asked anyone to form the government. We are carrying on with contact with all factions, and of course we will ask the party that won the majority to form the government."
Post-election tensions also sparked fighting Friday in the Gaza town of Khan Yunis, with three people wounded in a gunbattle between supporters of Fatah and Hamas, Palestinian security authorities said.
There also were scuffles Thursday between the groups' backers in the West Bank town of Ramallah, seat of the Palestinian government.
Hamas' victory in Wednesday's election drove the Mideast peace process into uncharted territory Friday.
Abbas -- a co-founder of Fatah -- urged Hamas to keep peace negotiations moving forward, while Israeli and U.S. leaders indicated that little progress was possible until Hamas denounced violence and disarmed.
The changing of the Palestinian guard represents a stark shift in ideologies: Abbas has long been a conduit of the White House-backed road map to Middle East peace, including the so-called two-state solution proposing a Palestinian state alongside Israel. Hamas, however, has called for Israel's destruction, and the United States, Israel and the European Union considers it a terrorist organization. (A Hamas explainer)
Abbas, who remains in power, did not appear to abandon hope that the peace process could move forward as long as the fundamentalist Islamic group can earn "the respect and confidence of the international community."
"Together, we will work to achieve the dream for which our martyrs have fallen," Abbas said. "It is a dream of setting up a democratic state based on our national unity, based on democracy, based on political pluralism and based on maintaining equality among the people, equality between men and women, according to our declaration of independence."
It will be a difficult challenge for a region that has been wracked with violence for decades, but Hamas leaders already have indicated that they are willing -- at the very least -- to honor a cease-fire with Israel.
About 1.073 million Palestinians voted, a turnout of 77 percent of registered voters, said Hana Naser of the Central Election Commission. (The reaction to the election)
An exit poll Wednesday indicated Hamas would do well, likely blocking Abbas' Fatah from maintaining its majority in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council.
But Hamas' satisfaction transformed to glee over the next day as Naser announced Thursday that Hamas not only blocked a Fatah majority but also won the majority itself, taking 76 seats in parliament. (How the power breaks down)
Fatah, which has been in power for about 40 years, won 43 seats, and a handful of fringe parties and independent candidates won the remaining 13, Naser said.
A final result that might have some slight change will be released within a day or two, he said. All but 5 percent of the votes have been counted, he added.
As the reality of Hamas' win set in, American and Israeli leaders -- including hard-liner Benjamin Netanyahu, who is running for Israeli prime minister -- began sharing their concerns.
Netanyahu said the Hamas victory is "bad news no matter how they dress it up" and likened the militant group to Iran, whose president also has called for the destruction of Israel. (Watch Netanyahu talk about what it means for Israel -- 7:23)
The former prime minister and leader of Israel's Likud party added that for Israel to discuss peace seriously with Palestinians, Hamas would have to change its philosophy drastically.
"I think what is required is a revolution," Netanyahu said, adding that among other good-faith efforts, "they'd have to jail the terrorists, including a lot of their own people."
Bush: Hamas must renounce terrorism
President Bush -- whose Middle East policy touts support for emerging democracies -- also said Thursday he would not deal with Hamas unless it renounced terrorism. (Watch Bush face tough questioning -- 5:37)
"I don't see how you can be a partner in peace if you advocate the destruction of a country as part of your platform," Bush said. "We're interested in peace."
Many in the Palestinian government already have given up their posts, with Abbas accepting the resignation of Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei and the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority Cabinet also resigning, said Fatah lawmaker Saeb Erakat.
The resignations prompted Bush to urge Abbas to remain at the helm.
"We would hope [Abbas] would stay in office and work to move the process forward," Bush said.
In Jerusalem, the Israeli Cabinet met in emergency session, where former Defense Minister and Knesset member Ephraim Sneh called the Hamas victory "a blow to the peace process."
"Israel, I believe, could negotiate with a Fatah-led government -- could strike a deal with a Fatah-led government. I doubt we could do it with a Hamas-led government," he said.
The Cabinet released a statement afterward saying, "The state of Israel will not negotiate with a Palestinian administration if its members include an armed terrorist organization that calls for the destruction of the state of Israel; in any case, Israel will continue to fight terrorism with a heavy hand, everywhere."
The Cabinet also called on Abbas and the Palestinian Authority to "disarm Hamas and the other terrorist organizations and dismantle their other abilities to perpetrate acts of terrorism."
Though there has been no denunciation of their long-held views on Israel, Hamas members said they were not as concerned with the peace process as they were with improving the lives of Palestinians and the creation of a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital.
Ismail Haniya, Hamas' leader in Gaza, told media outlets that Hamas believes it can operate a government without disarming.
"The Americans and the Europeans say to Hamas: Either you have weapons or you enter the legislative council. We say weapons and the legislative council. There is no contradiction between the two," Haniya said.
CNN's Guy Raz, John Vause and Ben Wedeman contributed to this report.
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