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Maz
As all of these things begin to unfold we are going to see a great manifestation of God's presence in the earth and, thus, many great and wondrous things shall happen. The people of God will be so busy carrying out the Father's will with a "pin-point accuracy" that many glorious things shall unfold - and in our wake there will be a path leading to freedom that people can readily follow - IF they truly desire to be free. If they do not they will run further and further into darkness and rebellion. The plan of the spirit of Antichrist continues and continues and continues, but the reality is that God is unfolding HIS plan according to His perfect purpose. Regardless of what Satan would like to do in any given time, when God decides to move He simply moves through His people and their prayers and the Devil and his schemes MUST cease and desist in that time.
hannah fievel
First I do agree with you maz..."His will be done", amen.


Then just a quick blip about the dark and the light, which is why the title of this post first caught my eyes! This is a subject I have thought on for a long time.

"We have two choices "His light, or the worlds", The Tree of Life or the tree of knowledge of good and evil, to love or to hate, which path to take "His" or our own, and many things along this line....WE HAVE ONLY TWO CHOICES...

To be His or not to be?

I sit always stunned that most of the world "perfers the dark"....How can we reach them, especially when I know things happen like this:

As Christians we are asked to "shine His light", but often I see, hear and read "Christians are against this group or that group, not nice and certainly not Christlike....Did HE not come to fix those who were sick, He came to bring "those in the dark into the light", should we not be doing the same and in His love? I just sometimes think "Well, I know homosexuality is wrong, but to throw someone sick out of a church", which I know for fact "this happens", is that how Jesus would have approached these lost?

I dunno, IMHO, I just think we should be "reaching out", instead of "yelling at those who are sick". Any other thoughts on how we can be more like the Lord in our walking in this darkness of this earth....and without offending others...to bring them into HIM?

Just curious as to how others reach out...I just want to be a good liitle child of His, so any thoughts on reaching those still in the dark? At this point any thoughts or ideas would be helpful....thanks! YSIC hannah fievel wub.gif and all or any help will be much apprieciated!

PS sorry maz if this was a little off topic, hannah wub.gif
Miche
Maz,

This brought a little hope to me. I know that many many many people are covering my family with prayer.........all over the world.


Please pray that my husband will desire to be free from that which binds him.


Maybe if we pray right................ ask in the right way............ maybe ............
God will answer?

I agree that God has his perfect will unfolding and sometimes it takes allowing people to hit rock bottom. All things work together for the good of those who love the Lord. And I love the Lord. My husband claims to love the Lord, my children love the Lord.............. So I can assume that this is all for our good.
Roxygal
QUOTE(hannah fievel @ Jan 21 2006, 12:32 PM)
First I do agree with you maz..."His will be done", amen.


Then just a quick blip about the dark and the light, which is why the title of this post first caught my eyes! This is a subject I have thought on for a long time.

"We have two choices "His light, or the worlds", The Tree of Life or the tree of knowledge of good and evil, to love or to hate, which path to take "His" or our own, and many things along this line....WE HAVE ONLY TWO CHOICES...

To be His or not to be?

I sit always stunned that most of the world "perfers the dark"....How can we reach them, especially when I know things happen like this:

As Christians we are asked to "shine His light", but often I see, hear and read "Christians are against this group or that group, not nice and certainly not Christlike....Did HE not come to fix those who were sick, He came to bring "those in the dark into the light", should we not be doing the same and in His love? I just sometimes think "Well, I know homosexuality is wrong, but to throw someone sick out of a church", which I know for fact "this happens", is that how Jesus would have approached these lost?

I dunno, IMHO, I just think we should be "reaching out", instead of "yelling at those who are sick". Any other thoughts on how we can be more like the Lord in our walking in this darkness of this earth....and without offending others...to bring them into HIM?

Just curious as to how others reach out...I just want to be a good liitle child of His, so any thoughts on reaching those still in the dark? At this point any thoughts or ideas would be helpful....thanks! YSIC hannah fievel  wub.gif and all or any help will be much apprieciated!

PS sorry maz if this was a little off topic, hannah  wub.gif
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Hannah,

I certainly believe Jesus would want us to reach out to everyone! A sin is a sin is a sin. Isn't all sin the same... just as bad as the next? When you reach out to someone do you immediately point to their sins? Maybe the approach we should take is to get to know people... build relationships... show them by example what it is to live in Christ. I don't think it's wrong to be friends with a non-christian... if a Christian doesn't befriend them, how will they get to know Christ? Anyway, this is how I've always lived my life... God created all of us, so we all need to be found... Maybe you won't be the one who actually leads them to Christ, but you may be the one who planted the seeds! Think of how many seeds you can plant even when you have a brief encounter with a person. You never know, the next Christian they meet could water that seed... the next help it grow! What wonderful blossoms you've helped grow just from that one little seed that Hannah Fievel planted that day! Think about it! rolleyes.gif

Hope this helped a bit.
Love, Lisa wub.gif
marty
Amen.

That's what it's about, planting that seed. It doesn't matter if we aren't the ones who see the results of our own work, or should I say the work that the Lord uses us to do. I pray that all people would come to salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ, the one and only Son of the most High God, the only God in the name of Jesus.

It's the Lords will that all people be saved and He says that whatever we ask in His name, if it is His will, it shall be done if we believe.

We need to pray and trust the Lord. Cuz alone we are nothing.
karen vaughn
QUOTE(marty @ Jan 21 2006, 05:49 PM)
Amen.

That's what it's about, planting that seed.  It doesn't matter if we aren't the ones who see the results of our own work, or should I say the work that the Lord uses us to do.  I pray that all people would come to salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ, the one and only Son of the most High God, the only God in the name of Jesus.

It's the Lords will that all people be saved and He says that whatever we ask in His name, if it is His will, it shall be done if we believe.

We need to pray and trust the Lord.  Cuz alone we are nothing.
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I agree about planting seeds. When we moved here we found we had 2 gay ladies across the street and a Jehovas Wittness. I was kind of mad at God for giving me all that, but He said hate the sin and love the sinner. Thats what we do just keep loving them, helping them if they need it and planting seed, someone eles will water and God will bring the increase.
RosielovesJesus
Oh I agree keep loving them and planting those seeds.
Most of the people that come to our house are not christians.
We are planting seeds, and the rest is left to the Holy Spirit.

We have children that never prayed before that now are the first
to do the mealtime prayers. My son has planted seeds with so many
young people that have entered through our doors. I have listened
to him and I just love the way God has given him the right words
to speak. One of his friends now says Jesus is his best friend.

All we can do is plant seeds and let them see how we live and who
we belong to.
hannah fievel
Hello all,

I have read about "yes we must plant seeds"....can I tell you a real life story about a young lesbian woman who is a friend of my sons....

When she first met me...I of course didn't know she was gay, so like ususual I started rambling on and on about "How much Jesus had done for me, like getting out of drugs and stuff"....well, she kinda got offended "that day" and told my son, "Could you ask your mom, "not to talk about Jesus". ohmy.gif

Well, then I had to ask my son, "what is her problem" well, as you can surmise "she is gay".....So, this is what I told her....I said "Well, you say you are gay, well, "So What", the Lord still would like you to get to know Him"!!! Well, she quite shocked said, "well, I am gay, so how can He love me?"....I told her, I didn't know Gods legistics about everything, but if she would give Christ a chance....He would lead her through His word...INTO HIS LIGHT....so, I said "He still loves you and He made you, so yes, He loves you and wants the best for you....which she had never heard, she had always just been yelled at for being gay!! sad.gif

But, now she is at least "reading the word" has proclaim "she loves Him", and now I guess I just must pray "HE HEALS HER"!!! Is that a good way to approach "anyone lost"???....Telling them first.....that HE loves them....and then let the Holy Spirit to the work...not me!

I, for some reason know alot of gay people...so I have had numerous chances to talk with them....am I way off here?! Should I just say like I have heard soooo many times before "you are a sinner, and if you don't change, your going to hell" that somehow just doesn't sound like JESUS....didn't He always "defend the offensive, love them, and then said... "He would help to change us from glory to glory", or have I lost something is translation? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't want to mislead anyone, amen. All answers will be thought on with great care on my part....I am just trying my best to "help save the lost of this world" amen.!! YSIC hannah fievel blush.gif
Gypsylass
QUOTE(hannah fievel @ Jan 22 2006, 09:38 AM)
Hello all,

I have read about "yes we must plant seeds"....can I tell you a real life story about a young lesbian woman who is a friend of my sons....

When she first met me...I of course didn't know she was gay, so like ususual I started rambling on and on about "How much Jesus had done for me, like getting out of drugs and stuff"....well, she kinda got offended "that day" and told my son, "Could you ask your mom, "not to talk about Jesus".  ohmy.gif

Well, then I had to ask my son, "what is her problem" well, as you can surmise "she is gay".....So, this is what I told her....I said "Well, you say you are gay, well, "So What", the Lord still would like you to get to know Him"!!! Well, she quite shocked said, "well, I am gay, so how can He love me?"....I told her, I didn't know Gods legistics about everything, but if she would give Christ a chance....He would lead her through His word...INTO HIS LIGHT....so, I said "He still loves you and He made you, so yes, He loves you and wants the best for you....which she had never heard, she had always just been yelled at for being gay!!  sad.gif

But, now she is at least "reading the word" has proclaim "she loves Him", and now I guess I just must pray "HE HEALS HER"!!! Is that a good way to approach "anyone lost"???....Telling them first.....that HE loves them....and then let the Holy Spirit to the work...not me!

I, for some reason know alot of gay people...so I have had numerous chances to talk with them....am I way off here?! Should I just say like I have heard soooo many times before "you are a sinner, and if you don't change, your going to hell" that somehow just doesn't sound like JESUS....didn't He always "defend the offensive, love them, and then said... "He would help to change us from glory to glory", or have I lost something is translation? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't want to mislead anyone, amen. All answers will be thought on with great care on my part....I am just trying my best to "help save the lost of this world" amen.!! YSIC hannah fievel  blush.gif
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Hannah your words this morning spoke to me. I have not been telling people they are sinners, but rather I realized after reading your words, that I just sit back in the corner when certain people are around who don't want to hear about Jesus or my life as a Christian. I have been hiding my light under a bushel!! I am ashamed to admit that I have done this... blush.gif I have not done it out of fear of ridicule, or shame in my beliefs, but rather out of consideration for others beliefs. I now see that is so wrong, as how will they ever know the truth if I keep it hidden from them. I thank the Lord that he led you to post this today, and I thank Him for leading me to read it!
God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to preform...AMEN!! 1dsz5h3.gif 1dsz5e4.gif biggrin.gif
God's Lamb
I say Amen and Amen. I think Christians need a solid foundation...within them selves and they need a good suport system of Christian friends....as they reach out to the non-believers. We need to know who we are in Jesus Christ.....and have that support system avaiable.....when we do not have these things in place as we witness to the non-believers then we can be pulled into the world gradually....until we have stepped many steps away from our Lord. I have seen this happen. But, with the Christians who know who they are in Jesus, and having Christian friends holding them up as they stand in the gap for the lost.....they will be the light....and salt needed as they draw the lost to Jesus.....when a non-believer knows you are deeply interested in them, and want their friendship....a trust is built....and believe me when I say this.....YOU...may be the only living Bible they see.....and what they see is JESUS IN YOUR EYES. I know. I witnessed to a Budist for several years....when he was in trouble I 'd always pray for him. One day he said he was going to go up into the mountains and talk to God....about this person...Jesus. blink.gif He was gone for three days....when he came back he was a new creation in Jesus Christ. biggrin.gif Then when he saw me he said, " When I first met you I saw something in your eyes and I wanted it, but I didn't know how to ask you what it was. But, I know now...it was Jesus!" rolleyes.gif So yes....you can have non-believers as friends....but, make sure your friends are ground in the Word of God....so they will keep you ground in His Word. God Bless. marie wub.gif
Gypsylass
What a wonderful story Marie...thank you for sharing it with me! wub.gif
justaservant
Hi Miche,
Sometimes it takes a lot of time for someone to see more that just what is around them! You said,
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I agree that God has his perfect will unfolding and sometimes it takes allowing people to hit rock bottom. All things work together for the good of those who love the Lord. And I love the Lord. My husband claims to love the Lord, my children love the Lord.............. So I can assume that this is all for our good.

You love the Lord, your husband thinks he loves the Lord, your children love the Lord. Keep the love and the prayer going and God will honor your request! biggrin.gif
justaservant
jhamner
You are right to give this lady hope that is only found in Jesus. It is NOT up to us to change people. It is up to Christ. You did the RIGHT THING by telling her about Jesus' love. You go girl!!!!!

Now, I must add that, although we can tell people about our marvelous Savior, we must also be clear on our stance on moral issues. If this woman would ask me if Jesus can save her and redeem her, I would say YES He can. Just pray a simple prayer of faith. However, if she were to ask me to condone her homosexual lifestyle, I would be clear in a loving and compassionate way that homosexuality it is against the Word of God. To help comfort her, I would admit that I too have a problem with other sins that the Bible is very clear about being wrong. But... that doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't love me, nor does it mean that He won't help HEAL me (as you said Hannah).

smile.gif I say you did a great job. I'm proud of you for spreading the Gospel!
Roxygal
It is a very touchy subject for many homosexual people when they believe that they were born that way. My explanation to them would be along the lines of.... we were all born into sin, we are all sinners... we can never be free of sin until we die. One sin is no different than the other. That way she won't automatically feel that she is abnormal. (hopefully anyway) It's a very difficult situation you've emarked on, but with the Lord's guidance you will get through to her. We'll all be praying!

Love, wub.gif
Lisa
Marta
QUOTE(Roxygal @ Jan 26 2006, 12:09 PM)
It is a very touchy subject for many homosexual people when they believe that they were born that way.  My explanation to them would be along the lines of.... we were all born into sin, we are all sinners... we can never be free of sin until we die.  One sin is no different than the other.  That way she won't automatically feel that she is abnormal. (hopefully anyway)  It's a very difficult situation you've emarked on, but with the Lord's guidance you will get through to her.  We'll all be praying!

Love, wub.gif
Lisa
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It is a very touchy subject with a lot of homosexuals because they've been only condemned by Christians. I think you showed her a lot of love Hannah! You caught her off guard because she probably has never heard a Christian speak love intead of judgement towards her. I say 'way to go' and great way to witness to someone. You are God's vessel and HE has given you the right words to say. I'm sure you made a very profound effect on her life. GREAT JOB!!

Now, stand back and pray and let the Holy Spirit work on her.

We will use us to plant the seed then he'll take care of the watering of it!

Have faith that seed will grow!! GOD used you that day to witness to her.

1dsz5h3.gif Hannah!
Roxygal
Marta,

I hope you don't think I was trying to condemn her. Oh no, no, no. If I came across that way, I'm sorry. And if I'm reading your post wrong... then disregard this. I think Hannah has done a wonderful job with her friend. I wish more Christians would embrase all people too! Again... you'll be in my prayers... keep us posted!

Love, Lisa
wernotalone
I just had a conversation over the weekend with one of my son's friends.
We where sitting in the car and he turned to me and said, "Guess what, I am becoming a Budist." smile.gif (BUDDY BOY)Yes I'll take a Bud Light to go...hehe There is a Light and the true light comes from Jesus the Light of the World... He lookied so happy about it, but my immediate reaction was to give him a high five and latter thinking actually I was trying to knock that spirit out of him through contact. smile.gif
But after he said that I immediately said, "But you still beleive in Jesus Christ don't you?' He was lost for words...He did not say No I don't beleive in Jesus Christ, and he didn't say I beleive in Jesus Christ. He stumbled and said, I just hate religion.
And continued to put down religion. Then after he stopped talking I said, Yes I know there is a difference between the Spirit of Religion and the Spirit of the Christ CONCIOUSNESS....giving him some FOOD for thought. For to know Christ is my desire, less of me and more of him. I know he loves me and died for me and saved my life...that's what I want him to think about.
I'll let you know just how he is doing...for I do think that He would Never deny Jesus for it is written in his heart and this is just a popular "COOL" phase he is in...
I latter told him, I am so happy for you that you are trying to discover your inner self tongue.gif
Please all here pray for this wonderful young man, who is looking for Truth but on the wrong road to FREEDOM...his name is Matthew.
I throughly enjoyed reading all or the posts here...I think you all are great witnesses...I hope to be as well. God Bless
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Roxygal
I will hold matthew in my prayers!
onetiggerroo
QUOTE(wernotalone @ Jan 31 2006, 03:52 PM)
I just had a conversation over the weekend with one of my son's friends.
We where sitting in the car and he turned to me and said, "Guess what, I am becoming a Budist." smile.gif  (BUDDY BOY)Yes I'll take a Bud Light to go...hehe There is a Light and the true light comes from Jesus the Light of the World... He lookied so happy about it, but my immediate reaction was to give him a high five and latter thinking actually I was trying to knock that spirit out of him through contact. smile.gif
But after he said that I immediately said, "But you still beleive in Jesus Christ don't you?' He was lost for words...He did not say No I don't beleive in Jesus Christ, and he didn't say I beleive in Jesus Christ. He stumbled and said, I just hate religion.
And continued to put down religion. Then after he stopped talking I said, Yes I know there is a difference between the Spirit of Religion and the Spirit of the Christ CONCIOUSNESS....giving him some FOOD for thought. For to know Christ is my desire, less of me and more of him. I know he loves me and died for me and saved my life...that's what I want him to think about.
I'll let you know just how he is doing...for I do think that He would Never deny Jesus for it is written in his heart and this is just a popular "COOL" phase he is in...
I latter told him, I am so happy for you that you are trying to discover your inner self tongue.gif
Please all here pray for this wonderful young man, who is looking for Truth but on the wrong road to FREEDOM...his name is Matthew.
I throughly enjoyed reading all or the posts here...I think you all are great witnesses...I hope to be as well. God Bless
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Lord, guide Matthew's feet, his heart, his mind and his hearing to YOU only, through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior! Let him not put his faith in a dead man lying in a grave, but in the risen Savior of the World, Jesus. I ask you to give werenotalsone, the right words and scriptures to help his friend's son. In Jesus Name, Amen.
Pamela
QUOTE(wernotalone @ Jan 31 2006, 02:52 PM)
I just had a conversation over the weekend with one of my son's friends.
We where sitting in the car and he turned to me and said, "Guess what, I am becoming a Budist." smile.gif  (BUDDY BOY)Yes I'll take a Bud Light to go...hehe There is a Light and the true light comes from Jesus the Light of the World... He lookied so happy about it, but my immediate reaction was to give him a high five and latter thinking actually I was trying to knock that spirit out of him through contact. smile.gif
But after he said that I immediately said, "But you still beleive in Jesus Christ don't you?' He was lost for words...He did not say No I don't beleive in Jesus Christ, and he didn't say I beleive in Jesus Christ. He stumbled and said, I just hate religion.
And continued to put down religion. Then after he stopped talking I said, Yes I know there is a difference between the Spirit of Religion and the Spirit of the Christ CONCIOUSNESS....giving him some FOOD for thought. For to know Christ is my desire, less of me and more of him. I know he loves me and died for me and saved my life...that's what I want him to think about.
I'll let you know just how he is doing...for I do think that He would Never deny Jesus for it is written in his heart and this is just a popular "COOL" phase he is in...
I latter told him, I am so happy for you that you are trying to discover your inner self tongue.gif
Please all here pray for this wonderful young man, who is looking for Truth but on the wrong road to FREEDOM...his name is Matthew.
I throughly enjoyed reading all or the posts here...I think you all are great witnesses...I hope to be as well. God Bless
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Thank you for sharing that....

Father thank you for hearing my petition...I life this young man up to you right now and I ask that you continue to guide him in Your ways Father. In Jesus Name I ask this...amen
Marta
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Jan 31 2006, 04:22 PM)
QUOTE(wernotalone @ Jan 31 2006, 03:52 PM)
I just had a conversation over the weekend with one of my son's friends.
We where sitting in the car and he turned to me and said, "Guess what, I am becoming a Budist." smile.gif  (BUDDY BOY)Yes I'll take a Bud Light to go...hehe There is a Light and the true light comes from Jesus the Light of the World... He lookied so happy about it, but my immediate reaction was to give him a high five and latter thinking actually I was trying to knock that spirit out of him through contact. smile.gif
But after he said that I immediately said, "But you still beleive in Jesus Christ don't you?' He was lost for words...He did not say No I don't beleive in Jesus Christ, and he didn't say I beleive in Jesus Christ. He stumbled and said, I just hate religion.
And continued to put down religion. Then after he stopped talking I said, Yes I know there is a difference between the Spirit of Religion and the Spirit of the Christ CONCIOUSNESS....giving him some FOOD for thought. For to know Christ is my desire, less of me and more of him. I know he loves me and died for me and saved my life...that's what I want him to think about.
I'll let you know just how he is doing...for I do think that He would Never deny Jesus for it is written in his heart and this is just a popular "COOL" phase he is in...
I latter told him, I am so happy for you that you are trying to discover your inner self tongue.gif
Please all here pray for this wonderful young man, who is looking for Truth but on the wrong road to FREEDOM...his name is Matthew.
I throughly enjoyed reading all or the posts here...I think you all are great witnesses...I hope to be as well. God Bless
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Lord, guide Matthew's feet, his heart, his mind and his hearing to YOU only, through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior! Let him not put his faith in a dead man lying in a grave, but in the risen Savior of the World, Jesus. I ask you to give werenotalsone, the right words and scriptures to help his friend's son. In Jesus Name, Amen.
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Amen to that Tig!!

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Roxy,

No no I didn't think you were trying to condemn her at all. You have a very loving spirit!!

Hugs to YOU!!
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Roxygal
Roxy,

No no I didn't think you were trying to condemn her at all. You have a very loving spirit!!

Hugs to YOU!!

Right back at ya girl!! wub.gif
Marta
QUOTE(Roxygal @ Jan 31 2006, 09:20 PM)
Roxy,

No no I didn't think you were trying to condemn her at all. You have a very loving spirit!!

Hugs to YOU!!

Right back at ya girl!! wub.gif
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Roxy and all:

I miss you guys on here.....school is bogging me down and keeping my spirits low! I look to this forum and the fellowship I feel with all of you here. biggrin.gif

You all are a blessing to me and I'm so thankful for it.

Hugs to everyone!

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hannah fievel
I wanted to thank all for your prayers for this young lady, and I will pray for matthew too, amen. I did want to say...since I have witness to this young woman, where I have left off in my time with her, I have come to find out "that other young woman of her age group" has been sharing the Lords love with her! Jesus must want this young gal He is putting many people in her path and they have been loving Christians who have told her the truth as they are also "loving her into His arms", and last I heard "she was reading the word" so keep on a praying...a break through could be imminent, amen! I love HIM sooo much, as I am sure all of you do to, and what is even better is "He loves us!!!" And, it don't get better than that...AMEN!!! love to you all, hannah smile.gif
wernotalone
I"ll pray for your friend too. thanks for praying for my son's friend Matthew, I just don't think he will turn away from Jesus, but Jesus is guiding his heart to him..just confused and searching....maybe a refining time.
Marta...hang in there...your hard work will be blessed.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL
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