Dear Friends
Can anyone of you share with the me whether it is really required for elderly baptism in water although you have been baptised in your chruch when you were born
Thank You
Sabs
Full Version: Baptism
Jesus told us to "Believe the Gospel, and be (water) baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost".
This baptism is full immersion in water, (not sprinkling).
Baptism is for believers (infants cannot know, understand, and believe the Gospel). So, Infant-baptism is an un-Biblical practice.
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BUT!
in my opinion,
if there's a good reason that you can't (or won't) get baptized, then, maybe, Jesus will understand.
if you're feeble, or sick, or im-prisoned, etc,,,,,,,, then, maybe, it's OK to Not get baptized.
If it's very in-convenient to get baptized, maybe Jesus will understand.
If immersion is not practical, then, maybe, sprinkling is OK.
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If you're so ashamed of Christ, that you don't want to be seen at a baptism, then, maybe, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
Christ said "If you're ashamed of Me, then I'll be ashamed of you on Judgement Day."
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If ANY person feels un-easy about his baptism, then , get baptized AGAIN. There's no harm in being baptized TWICE.
I've been baptized TWICE. at 10 yo, and at 22 yo.
Baptism is a Witness to the world that you've believed Christ, and you've repented of your sin. That's a GOOD witness.
Any Christian can baptize any convert (or Christian).
All (ALL) Christians are Priests (as per the NT).
ALL NT believers are Christians.
ALL NT believers are "anointed" with the Holy Spirit (of Christ), whether they realize it or not.
In my neighborhood, there are MANY Preachers, Christians, Lay-people-in-the-Church, who would be happy to baptize anyone, free-of-charge. Assuming that it was not a "fake" conversion.
dennis manning
This baptism is full immersion in water, (not sprinkling).
Baptism is for believers (infants cannot know, understand, and believe the Gospel). So, Infant-baptism is an un-Biblical practice.
**********
BUT!
in my opinion,
if there's a good reason that you can't (or won't) get baptized, then, maybe, Jesus will understand.
if you're feeble, or sick, or im-prisoned, etc,,,,,,,, then, maybe, it's OK to Not get baptized.
If it's very in-convenient to get baptized, maybe Jesus will understand.
If immersion is not practical, then, maybe, sprinkling is OK.
************
If you're so ashamed of Christ, that you don't want to be seen at a baptism, then, maybe, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
Christ said "If you're ashamed of Me, then I'll be ashamed of you on Judgement Day."
***************
If ANY person feels un-easy about his baptism, then , get baptized AGAIN. There's no harm in being baptized TWICE.
I've been baptized TWICE. at 10 yo, and at 22 yo.
Baptism is a Witness to the world that you've believed Christ, and you've repented of your sin. That's a GOOD witness.
Any Christian can baptize any convert (or Christian).
All (ALL) Christians are Priests (as per the NT).
ALL NT believers are Christians.
ALL NT believers are "anointed" with the Holy Spirit (of Christ), whether they realize it or not.
In my neighborhood, there are MANY Preachers, Christians, Lay-people-in-the-Church, who would be happy to baptize anyone, free-of-charge. Assuming that it was not a "fake" conversion.
dennis manning
I know a girl (6 years old, at the time) who asked to be baptized in her home church.
Some Christians asked "Is it meaningful and right to baptize such a young person?"
The Pastor and others talked to her.
The Pastor explained to the Church:
The girl is sorry for her sins, and understands that "Jesus saves us from our sins".
Anyone who is able to understand that, and agree with it, can be saved and baptized.
dennis manning
Some Christians asked "Is it meaningful and right to baptize such a young person?"
The Pastor and others talked to her.
The Pastor explained to the Church:
The girl is sorry for her sins, and understands that "Jesus saves us from our sins".
Anyone who is able to understand that, and agree with it, can be saved and baptized.
dennis manning
I know of a sick person who got baptised in their bath, they were still fully immersed but had someone there to help them. Practical if not ideal!!
I think it is important to obey Jesus' commandments.
The great comission includes intructions for water baptism. Go and make disciples (and someone cannot be a disciple at 6 months old), baptising them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
This commandment came straight from God's mouth. To be more to the point, the church isn't the one asking you to be fully immersed, but Jesus.
Of all of the things that our Lord asks of us, this is one of the EASIEST. I have trouble not sinning, but baptism can be a great celebration, and it isn't really even a sacrifice!!!!
Invite family. They can celebrate with you!!! If you have children, what an awesome example of obedience to the Father this could be.
The great comission includes intructions for water baptism. Go and make disciples (and someone cannot be a disciple at 6 months old), baptising them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
This commandment came straight from God's mouth. To be more to the point, the church isn't the one asking you to be fully immersed, but Jesus.
Of all of the things that our Lord asks of us, this is one of the EASIEST. I have trouble not sinning, but baptism can be a great celebration, and it isn't really even a sacrifice!!!!
Invite family. They can celebrate with you!!! If you have children, what an awesome example of obedience to the Father this could be.
QUOTE(Tzeitel @ Jan 18 2006, 03:47 AM)
I know of a sick person who got baptised in their bath, they were still fully immersed but had someone there to help them. Practical if not ideal!!
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Awesome suggestion! I would have never thought of that! I know the Lord honors such obedience. What faith!
QUOTE(dennis mann @ Jan 18 2006, 09:36 AM)
Jesus told us to "Believe the Gospel, and be (water) baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost".
This baptism is full immersion in water, (not sprinkling).
Baptism is for believers (infants cannot know, understand, and believe the Gospel). So, Infant-baptism is an un-Biblical practice.
**********
BUT!
in my opinion,
if there's a good reason that you can't (or won't) get baptized, then, maybe, Jesus will understand.
if you're feeble, or sick, or im-prisoned, etc,,,,,,,, then, maybe, it's OK to Not get baptized.
If it's very in-convenient to get baptized, maybe Jesus will understand.
If immersion is not practical, then, maybe, sprinkling is OK.
************
If you're so ashamed of Christ, that you don't want to be seen at a baptism, then, maybe, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
Christ said "If you're ashamed of Me, then I'll be ashamed of you on Judgement Day."
***************
If ANY person feels un-easy about his baptism, then , get baptized AGAIN. There's no harm in being baptized TWICE.
I've been baptized TWICE. at 10 yo, and at 22 yo.
Baptism is a Witness to the world that you've believed Christ, and you've repented of your sin. That's a GOOD witness.
Any Christian can baptize any convert (or Christian).
All (ALL) Christians are Priests (as per the NT).
ALL NT believers are Christians.
ALL NT believers are "anointed" with the Holy Spirit (of Christ), whether they realize it or not.
In my neighborhood, there are MANY Preachers, Christians, Lay-people-in-the-Church, who would be happy to baptize anyone, free-of-charge. Assuming that it was not a "fake" conversion.
dennis manning
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This baptism is full immersion in water, (not sprinkling).
Baptism is for believers (infants cannot know, understand, and believe the Gospel). So, Infant-baptism is an un-Biblical practice.
**********
BUT!
in my opinion,
if there's a good reason that you can't (or won't) get baptized, then, maybe, Jesus will understand.
if you're feeble, or sick, or im-prisoned, etc,,,,,,,, then, maybe, it's OK to Not get baptized.
If it's very in-convenient to get baptized, maybe Jesus will understand.
If immersion is not practical, then, maybe, sprinkling is OK.
************
If you're so ashamed of Christ, that you don't want to be seen at a baptism, then, maybe, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
Christ said "If you're ashamed of Me, then I'll be ashamed of you on Judgement Day."
***************
If ANY person feels un-easy about his baptism, then , get baptized AGAIN. There's no harm in being baptized TWICE.
I've been baptized TWICE. at 10 yo, and at 22 yo.
Baptism is a Witness to the world that you've believed Christ, and you've repented of your sin. That's a GOOD witness.
Any Christian can baptize any convert (or Christian).
All (ALL) Christians are Priests (as per the NT).
ALL NT believers are Christians.
ALL NT believers are "anointed" with the Holy Spirit (of Christ), whether they realize it or not.
In my neighborhood, there are MANY Preachers, Christians, Lay-people-in-the-Church, who would be happy to baptize anyone, free-of-charge. Assuming that it was not a "fake" conversion.
dennis manning
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Nice post Dennis
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Can anyone of you share with the me whether it is really required for elderly baptism in water although you have been baptised in your chruch when you were born
Thank You
Thank You
If it is the desire of the Elderly, to be immersed, then a way should be sought.
I know of one similar situation where an elderly person wanted to be baptized and the pastor made arrangements at a place that did physical therapy and had a sling so that they could be raised and then lowered into the water. They did the baptism with family and friends around.
As to the requirment, Jesus Himself, told the thief on the cross, Today, you will be with me in Paradise. This is confirmation that if we truly believe that Jesus was God in human flesh, and we believe that his sacrifice of calvery gives Him both the right and the ability to save. Then we can stand on the truth that it is man that looks at ourward appearance, but God looks on the heart.
So the truth of the matter is that if this person desires it, we should do everything possible to accomplish that desire. If the desire is not with the Elderly and rests in another. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
justaservant
QUOTE(justaservant @ Jan 18 2006, 11:51 AM)
If it is the desire of the Elderly, to be immersed, then a way should be sought.
I know of one similar situation where an elderly person wanted to be baptized and the pastor made arrangements at a place that did physical therapy and had a sling so that they could be raised and then lowered into the water. They did the baptism with family and friends around.
As to the requirment, Jesus Himself, told the thief on the cross, Today, you will be with me in Paradise. This is confirmation that if we truly believe that Jesus was God in human flesh, and we believe that his sacrifice of calvery gives Him both the right and the ability to save. Then we can stand on the truth that it is man that looks at ourward appearance, but God looks on the heart.
So the truth of the matter is that if this person desires it, we should do everything possible to accomplish that desire. If the desire is not with the Elderly and rests in another. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
justaservant
I know of one similar situation where an elderly person wanted to be baptized and the pastor made arrangements at a place that did physical therapy and had a sling so that they could be raised and then lowered into the water. They did the baptism with family and friends around.
As to the requirment, Jesus Himself, told the thief on the cross, Today, you will be with me in Paradise. This is confirmation that if we truly believe that Jesus was God in human flesh, and we believe that his sacrifice of calvery gives Him both the right and the ability to save. Then we can stand on the truth that it is man that looks at ourward appearance, but God looks on the heart.
So the truth of the matter is that if this person desires it, we should do everything possible to accomplish that desire. If the desire is not with the Elderly and rests in another. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
justaservant
excellent post...
Is it true that any Christian can baptise in the name of our Lord? Just want to clarify this because my son who is 3 asked me if I could baptize him in the tub this morning. We were talking about Jesus last night before he went to sleep. I didn't know what to tell him... so I told him I would find out and tell him later... He amazes me every day because he just seems so mature for a little guy! Anyway, I saw this post and I thought... I guess this is where I'll find my answer. And if I can...could someone point me in the right direction for scripture? Thanks!
Love to all!
Lisa
Love to all!
Lisa
QUOTE(Roxygal @ Jan 18 2006, 12:29 PM)
Is it true that any Christian can baptise in the name of our Lord? Just want to clarify this because my son who is 3 asked me if I could baptize him in the tub this morning. We were talking about Jesus last night before he went to sleep. I didn't know what to tell him... so I told him I would find out and tell him later... He amazes me every day because he just seems so mature for a little guy! Anyway, I saw this post and I thought... I guess this is where I'll find my answer. And if I can...could someone point me in the right direction for scripture? Thanks!
Love to all!
Lisa
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Love to all!
Lisa
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Just moving this to the front to see if anyone might answer this for me.
Thanks & God Bless You All!!
Love, Lisa
Just as heavily debated as the necessity of baptism is the debate of who would do it.....
As far as I know, the bible doesn't say anything against any Christian baptising another.... please school me otherwise.
(IMO)
I'm going out on a limb and say its OK as long as the person who is doing the baptising/immersion is in fact a confessed believer.....
As far as I know, the bible doesn't say anything against any Christian baptising another.... please school me otherwise.
(IMO)
I'm going out on a limb and say its OK as long as the person who is doing the baptising/immersion is in fact a confessed believer.....
QUOTE(Roxygal @ Jan 19 2006, 03:18 AM)
QUOTE(Roxygal @ Jan 18 2006, 12:29 PM)
Is it true that any Christian can baptise in the name of our Lord? Just want to clarify this because my son who is 3 asked me if I could baptize him in the tub this morning. We were talking about Jesus last night before he went to sleep. I didn't know what to tell him... so I told him I would find out and tell him later... He amazes me every day because he just seems so mature for a little guy! Anyway, I saw this post and I thought... I guess this is where I'll find my answer. And if I can...could someone point me in the right direction for scripture? Thanks!
Love to all!
Lisa
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Love to all!
Lisa
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Just moving this to the front to see if anyone might answer this for me.
Thanks & God Bless You All!!
Love, Lisa
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I'm thinking:
Any (saved) Christian can water-baptize another person.
It might be good to get an EXPERIENCED Christian to do it.
If you want your local Church or denomination to "recognize" the baptism, they may require an "ordained" minister.
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Can any Christian pray for me? Yes!
Counsel me? Yes
Preach to me? Yes
Lay hands on me? Yes
Baptize me? Yes
Perform a Wedding? I don't know. I guess the govt would require some sort of License, ordination, etc??????
I don't know.
A wedding is religious, and spiritual, and sacred, and legally binding. The govt gets involved.
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The Pastor of our local Church performed our Wedding for me and my wife, 17 (wonderful) years ago. Not long after that, he left his wife, committed Adultery with another woman, and he is STILL an ordained Minister of that same denomination.
Does that mean that I'm not REALLY married?
dennis manning
Thanks Appygroove & Dennis,
I just wanted to give my little guy a real answer and not something that I made up... You guys are sweet!
Blessings!
Love, Lisa
I just wanted to give my little guy a real answer and not something that I made up... You guys are sweet!
Blessings!
Love, Lisa
Lisa, believers can baptise each other.
If you want to baptise your child...its wonderful.
A good idea is to maybe share the experience with somebody close to you both. It makes it more memorable (I am not saying its necessary)
Dennis about marriage. I personally would not have a problem getting married and using any Christian to witness ,when I commit to the marriage.
The government thing is a human tradition. Our hearts are joined in front of God when we both agree to this marriage. Nothing to do with the signing of paper.
If you ever have to get married on a desert Island and there is no pastor. Shake hands on it and commit yourselves to God is this union, and voila....married you are.
If you need more ceremony...drink from the same coconut
If you want to baptise your child...its wonderful.
A good idea is to maybe share the experience with somebody close to you both. It makes it more memorable (I am not saying its necessary)
Dennis about marriage. I personally would not have a problem getting married and using any Christian to witness ,when I commit to the marriage.
The government thing is a human tradition. Our hearts are joined in front of God when we both agree to this marriage. Nothing to do with the signing of paper.
If you ever have to get married on a desert Island and there is no pastor. Shake hands on it and commit yourselves to God is this union, and voila....married you are.
If you need more ceremony...drink from the same coconut
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Jan 19 2006, 07:13 AM)
Lisa, believers can baptise each other.
If you want to baptise your child...its wonderful.
A good idea is to maybe share the experience with somebody close to you both. It makes it more memorable (I am not saying its necessary)
Dennis about marriage. I personally would not have a problem getting married and using any Christian to witness ,when I commit to the marriage.
The government thing is a human tradition. Our hearts are joined in front of God when we both agree to this marriage. Nothing to do with the signing of paper.
If you ever have to get married on a desert Island and there is no pastor. Shake hands on it and commit yourselves to God is this union, and voila....married you are.
If you need more ceremony...drink from the same coconut
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If you want to baptise your child...its wonderful.
A good idea is to maybe share the experience with somebody close to you both. It makes it more memorable (I am not saying its necessary)
Dennis about marriage. I personally would not have a problem getting married and using any Christian to witness ,when I commit to the marriage.
The government thing is a human tradition. Our hearts are joined in front of God when we both agree to this marriage. Nothing to do with the signing of paper.
If you ever have to get married on a desert Island and there is no pastor. Shake hands on it and commit yourselves to God is this union, and voila....married you are.
If you need more ceremony...drink from the same coconut
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Thanks Cornelius... He is such a thoughtful little boy. It just warms my soul when I hear him talk lovingly about Jesus. He blessed us with 3 magnifisent children!
Like I've said before... I absolutely LOVE being their mom!
Have a Blessed day!
Love, Lisa
Heck yeah Roxy....
If baptism is an outward expression of faith and confession in Jesus Christ... I would think that its probably as crucial to have witnesses (per Dennis's post) to witness this outward expression...
Congratulations to you and your son... God bless.
If baptism is an outward expression of faith and confession in Jesus Christ... I would think that its probably as crucial to have witnesses (per Dennis's post) to witness this outward expression...
Congratulations to you and your son... God bless.
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Jan 19 2006, 11:13 AM)
Lisa, believers can baptise each other.
If you want to baptise your child...its wonderful.
A good idea is to maybe share the experience with somebody close to you both. It makes it more memorable (I am not saying its necessary)
Dennis about marriage. I personally would not have a problem getting married and using any Christian to witness ,when I commit to the marriage.
The government thing is a human tradition. Our hearts are joined in front of God when we both agree to this marriage. Nothing to do with the signing of paper.
If you ever have to get married on a desert Island and there is no pastor. Shake hands on it and commit yourselves to God is this union, and voila....married you are.
If you need more ceremony...drink from the same coconut
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If you want to baptise your child...its wonderful.
A good idea is to maybe share the experience with somebody close to you both. It makes it more memorable (I am not saying its necessary)
Dennis about marriage. I personally would not have a problem getting married and using any Christian to witness ,when I commit to the marriage.
The government thing is a human tradition. Our hearts are joined in front of God when we both agree to this marriage. Nothing to do with the signing of paper.
If you ever have to get married on a desert Island and there is no pastor. Shake hands on it and commit yourselves to God is this union, and voila....married you are.
If you need more ceremony...drink from the same coconut
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Amen
but, i was thinking of other matters, like:
If my marriage was done without some "papers, license, ordained minister, authorized govt person, etc", then, would the govt recognize it? For Social Security, Hospital records, etc
Also,
some christians disdain "Lone Ranger Christians".
They say it's un-Biblical.
I think they may be right.
Jesus sent the disciples out, 2 by 2.
Jesus said, "where there are 2 or 3 gathered in My Name, I am with them.
Paul said "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together
I quit going to church 4 years ago, so, I preaching against myself this morning.
dennis manning
dennis manning
but you're not a lone ranger...
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