QUOTE(dennis mann @ Dec 25 2005, 04:20 PM)
KJV verse 1
damascas is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
niv
damascas will disappear! it will become a heap of ruins
amplified
damascas will cease to be a city, and will become a heap of ruins
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isaiah 13;20
niv
babylon will never rise again.
the land will never again be lived in.
nomads will refuse to camp there
the shepard and his sheep will not stay overnight
Halley's Bible handbook: Babylon was in ruins, soon after the time of Christ.
for centuries it has been a desolate heap of mounds, a remarkable fulfillment of prophecy, still un-inhabited, except for a little village at the SW corner
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Re: Damascas, Isaiah 17;1
Does it mean that Damascas can (may) be re-built?
Or,
Does it mean that Dasmascas will NEVER be re-built? (as in the case of Babylon).
I don't know.
God was a little more clear and emphatic about "Babylon will never be inhabited again".
Where did God say "Damascas will never be re-built and inhabited."?
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Saddam Hussein was re-building Babylon when the recent Iraqi War stopped him.
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In Revelations, it talks about the city Babylon. In the future?
Yet, God hath said: Babylon will never again be re-built and inhabited?
uhhh,,,,,,, Come again?????????????
How much?????????
I guess that Babylon (in Revelations) is the world system of Babylon (figure of speech). Not literal Babylon, in Iraq.
dennis manning
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Benny, I read an interesting study on Isaiah 17 written by Jack Kelley--what do you think?-
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Isaiah 17, An Oracle Concerning Damascus
Ikvot ha'Mashiach
A Bible Study by Jack Kelley
In addition to desperately trying to aviod responsiblity for the asassination of former Lebanese Prime minister Harriri, Syria's also been in the news as a result of a recent military spending spree. As you might expect, that's not good for world peace.
At issue are two transactions wherein about a year ago Syria purchased anti-tank missiles in Eastern Europe, and more recently an air defense system and long range missiles from Russia.
These two purchases combine to significantly alter the mid-east "balance of strength." Damascus is now theoretically protected against an airborne attack from Israel while possessing missiles that can penetrate Israel's air defense and have a range capable of putting every city in Israel at risk.
According to some reports, the deal also included shoulder fired anti-air missiles. The US is concerned that these and the anti-tank missiles will wind up in the hands of Hizbollah, the Palestinians, and other Syrian backed terrorist elements. US deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage warned Syrian Pres. Assad that the appearance of any of these missiles in Iraq would constitute grounds for immediate military action against Syria. The order to attack, he said, has already been given. No further action from the US chain of command is required. US intelligence has obtained the serial numbers of every missile, making it easy to prove their origin in case they do show up in Iraq.
In addition, Armitage also demanded that Syria hand over to Iraq or the US the 55 top officials and military officers of the former Saddam regime, who are confirmed by intelligence to be established in Syria, running the guerrilla war in Iraq out of their homes and offices. (Addresses, telephone numbers and cell phone numbers were listed beside each name).
Since Syria wouldn't dare retaliate against the US in the event of an attack, Israel assumes Assad would direct Hizbollah to mount a major attack across the Lebanese border instead, and is preparing accordingly.
Aside from the money involved, Russia's motivation is to use this sale as a warning to the US and Israel that it's dangerous to make decisions about the future of the Middle East without including Russia in the discussions. Russian President Putin is also upset over the way the US and Israel "influenced" the recent election in the Ukraine causing his candidate to be defeated.
So once again we have Russia (Magog) supplying armament to a Middle Eastern enemy of Israel, in this case Syria, opening a window for the fulfillment of prophecy. To refresh our memories, let's review Isaiah's prophecy about Damascus. It's found in chapter 17.
An oracle concerning Damascus:
"See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins. The cities of Aroer will be deserted and left to flocks, which will lie down, with no one to make them afraid. (Isaiah 17:1-2)
Because of the language of these verses, many scholars believe that this prophecy was only partially fulfilled when the Assyrians defeated the Arameans and overran their capital, Damascus, in 732 BC. To this day Damascus is thought to be the world's oldest continuously inhabited city with a 5000-year history and a population close to 2 million, yet Isaiah 17:1 indicates that it will one day cease to exist. The phrase "cities of Aroer" refers to Aramean territory east of the Jordan River from the area around Damascus south to the Arnon River, which flows into the Dead Sea.
The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus; the remnant of Aram will be like the glory of the Israelites," declares the LORD Almighty. "In that day the glory of Jacob will fade; the fat of his body will waste away. It will be as when a reaper gathers the standing grain and harvests the grain with his arm- as when a man gleans heads of grain in the Valley of Rephaim. (Isaiah 17:3-5)
This segment speaks of the fall of Samaria 10 years later in 722 BC, and the systematic relocation of everyone showing any leadership tendencies to the far reaches of the Assyrian Empire. This was standard Assyrian policy to reduce the likelihood of subsequent rebellion among their conquered peoples. Jacob and Ephraim are alternate names for the Northern Kingdom, and Samaria was its capital. Judah was the name given to the Southern Kingdom, later changed to Judea in the Greek and Roman eras.
Yet some gleanings will remain, as when an olive tree is beaten, leaving two or three olives on the topmost branches, four or five on the fruitful boughs," declares the LORD, the God of Israel. (Isaiah 17:6)
Not all the people were dispersed. A remnant remained in the land, casting further doubt on the "lost 10 tribes" hypothesis. It was this remnant that came to be known as the Samaritans in the time of Jesus. (A quick reading of 2 Chronicles 11:16 shows that all 12 tribes were represented in the Southern Kingdom of Judah at the time of the civil war that divided the nation. There are no lost tribes. The Lord has always preserved a remnant of all the Tribes of Israel.)
In that day men will look to their Maker and turn their eyes to the Holy One of Israel. They will not look to the altars, the work of their hands, and they will have no regard for the Asherah poles and the incense altars their fingers have made. In that day their strong cities, which they left because of the Israelites, will be like places abandoned to thickets and undergrowth. And all will be desolation. (Isaiah 17:7-9)
This is another passage that's problematic for those who try to consign the whole prophecy to history. There is simply no reason to believe that the Assyrians turned to God following their conquest of Aram and Israel. And far from abandoning their cities because of the Israelites, it was the Israelites who were defeated and dispersed. The yet future Jewish attack on Damascus causing the destruction and abandonment of Syrian cities, and the return of these descendants of Shem to their God is a much more likely fulfillment.
Some are beginning to see the following scenario unfolding in the near future. The Israelis have all but announced plans to mount a pre-emptive attack against Iran's nuclear facilities. When they do, they will also destroy Iran's second strike capability, to prevent an Iranian response.
Iran, who along with Syria supplies the money, weaponry and supervisory manpower for the 16,000 or so missiles Hizbollah has arrayed against Israel, will direct Hizbollah to retaliate. This will do great, but not crippling damage to Israel. In response, Israel will destroy Damascus. Iran will eventually recover to lead the attack prophesied in Ezekiel 38, but Syria will never again threaten Israel.
You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress. Therefore, though you set out the finest plants and plant imported vines, though on the day you set them out, you make them grow, and on the morning when you plant them, you bring them to bud, yet the harvest will be as nothing in the day of disease and incurable pain. (Isaiah 17:10-11)
Asshur, father of the Assyrians, and Aram, father of the Arameans were both sons of Shem. Aram's son Uz is the traditional founder of Damascus. The knowledge of God in the memories of these patriarchs cannot be questioned. It wasn't that they never knew Him, but that they had forgotten Him, abandoned Him in favor of the Canaanite gods of the region, Baal and his consort Ashtoreth (aka Asherah, Astarte, Ishtar, Aphrodite, Venus.) Currently Syria is almost totally Moslem. Until they return to their Maker and Savior none of their plans and schemes will prosper in the long run.
But return to Him they will. In Isaiah 19 we're told that in the Kingdom Age there'll be a highway extending from Egypt to Assyria, and both will stand with Israel to receive the Lord's blessing. (Isaiah 19:23-25)
Oh, the raging of many nations- they rage like the raging sea! Oh, the uproar of the peoples- they roar like the roaring of great waters! Although the peoples roar like the roar of surging waters, when he rebukes them they flee far away, driven before the wind like chaff on the hills, like tumbleweed before a gale. In the evening, sudden terror! Before the morning, they are gone! This is the portion of those who loot us, the lot of those who plunder us. (Isaiah 17:12-14)
Having conquered both the Arameans and the Northern Kingdom, the Assyrians set their sights on the Southern Kingdom, Judah. Assyria's King Sennacherib brought his armies almost literally to the gates of Jerusalem, so close his commanders were within speaking distance of the Jewish defenders. On the night before they were to attack, the Lord sent His angel into the Assyrian camp on Mt. Scopus to slaughter 185,000 Assyrian soldiers. Before dawn they had packed up and fled, ending 44 years of conquest. (Isaiah 37:36-38) This time in Israel's history so parallels the Jewish view of the End Times that Sennacherib is seen by them as a type of the anti-christ, while Judah's King Hezekiah models the Messiah.
But notice that Isaiah speaks of many nations raging against God's people, not just Assyria, leading us once again to consider Sennacherib's defeat as a partial fulfillment. Is this scene set to be played out again as the forces of the anti-christ take their last stand against the Lord and His Anointed One in Jerusalem? Zechariah says yes.
A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you. I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime-a day known to the LORD. When evening comes, there will be light. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name. (Zech 14:1-9)
If you listen carefully, you can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.
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....Iran begins fresh atom enrichment despite powers' offer 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
VIENNA (Reuters) - Iran began a fresh phase of uranium enrichment this week just as world powers presented it with incentives to halt nuclear fuel work, according to a U.N. nuclear watchdog agency report obtained by Reuters on Thursday.
The report, emailed to the 35 states on the International Atomic Energy Agency's governing board ahead of a meeting starting on Monday, also said Iran was pressing ahead with installing more cascades of centrifuge enrichment machines.
Authored by IAEA chief Mohammed ElBaradei, the report said Iran resumed feeding "UF6" uranium gas into its pilot 164-centrifuge cascade in Natanz on Tuesday after a pause of several weeks to do test runs of the machines without UF6.
Tuesday was the day European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana visited Tehran to hand over a packet of economic, technological and security incentives for Iran to suspend work which could eventually produce atomic bombs.
The Islamic Republic says the goal of its nuclear fuel program is solely electricity generation for its economy. The West suspects that Iran, the world's No. 4 oil producer, of creating a smokescreen for atomic bombmaking.
In April, Iran appeared to defeat a Western bid to deny it enrichment technology when, for the first time, it purified a small amount of uranium at Natanz for use as power plant fuel.
A Western intelligence source told Reuters hours before the IAEA report that Iran stopped feeding gas into its pilot cascade later in April because of technical glitches, but then resolved them, allowing an enrichment resumption this week.
"This underlines the fact that the temporary halt was technical in nature. It's a continuation of Iranian policy to profit from all worlds -- dialogue to gain time while continuing to strive for an atomic bomb," the source said.
The report confirmed diplomatic leaks that new traces of highly enriched uranium, the key fissile ingredient in atomic bombs, had turned up on equipment from the ex-military Lavizan-Shian site, razed by Iran in 2004 before inspectors could examine it.
IAEA inspectors earlier this year took swabs from vacuum pumps used at Lavizan. Vacuum pumps have "dual" civilian or military uses but are needed when enriching uranium with a cascade of connected centrifuges.
Iran has said such traces, detected earlier at some other sites in Iran, originated on equipment imported from Pakistan, which has nuclear arms, and did not come from Iranian activity.
ElBaradei's report said Tehran was still stonewalling a three-year-old IAEA probe into military links with nuclear fuel work, echoing a string of earlier reports.
Vienna-based diplomats familiar with IAEA inquiries in Iran say it is withholding answers as bargaining chips for any talks with U.N. Security Council powers on its nuclear aspirations.