They say he shall be the "glory of the olive branch," the peace maker.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle....E-CHRISTMAS.xml
The next pope, they also say, shall be PETRUS ROMANUS, Peter the Second.
The day grows late and the sun is only rising (Genesis 19:23)
Full Version: Message From The Pope
The Catholic Faith, with all it's faults, still gives a glimmer of hope in an ever darkening world. I have studied this Religion, and although I do not always agree with it's dogmata, I respect the Pope and his followers. The Church has protected and preserved many manuscripts, that otherwise might have been lost to the rest of us- protestants. (I use this term lightly.) Pope John Paul II, changed some of the Catholic Church's practices and gave the okay for it's members to actually read God's word for themselves. For the most part, the Catholic Bible is very simular to my KJV, except the Book of Job is not in the Catholic Version but another book, Tobias(?),that to me read like a Mid-evil story, and the Book of Revelation is called the Apocalypse. My study was never completed.
I too have heard that the next and last pope will be Peter the Second; that was prophecied by a monk. Also, I have studied many of the Catholic Church's Saints. Interesting Religion.
I find an irony that Pope Bendict 16 is from Germany. Although it did not come as a surprise. I do however believe that the Catholic Church does try to keep peace with all the other religions out there. It does or does not mean that they will help the anti-christ, when he makes his debut. I beleive the Catholic church is very much aware of everything we are concerning the last days. I do not beleive as the Catholic Church is the only Church based on Jesus. There are 7 Churches in Revelation Chapters 2-3, and I can see a lot of churches fitting the bill. I believe that when Jesus told Peter, "on this rock, I shall build my church", he was meaning , the true Believer's all over the world, being Christ's true Church. We, being the body of the Church, and Jesus, being the Head. OR, Bride of Christ!
I know many Catholics, that are as much a Christian as I am. Although they do not call themselves such. There are good in all religions, but also, some bad.
Religion is MANMADE! The BIBLE is devinely made. IT IS THE LIVING WORD OF GOD.
It took me a long time and a lot of thought went into those words. But I believe it. Even in Jesus day, the Rabbi's were trying to change God's words to fit what they wanted it to be. They had twisted many of the Jewish laws that God had given them; and they thought they were better than everyone else. Jesus came on the sceen and corrected them! They didn't like it and HE was crusified. How thye must have felt when the Holy of Holies, Curtain, ripped from top to bottom and as the skies turned black and an earthquake hit at the very momment of Jesus Death on the Cross!
The Curtain to the holy of holies to me is a great sign, that we no longer needed a priest to go before God for us, we had an intersecessor in Jesus. Have you ever wondered why the Jews, no longer sacrifice animals? I have, and I beleive it is bcecause of what happened in that temple on that day of Jesus crucifiction.
We may never know on this side of Heaven, which religions were right or wrong. But the Bible says to; "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Timothy 2:15-16 (KJV)
I too have heard that the next and last pope will be Peter the Second; that was prophecied by a monk. Also, I have studied many of the Catholic Church's Saints. Interesting Religion.
I find an irony that Pope Bendict 16 is from Germany. Although it did not come as a surprise. I do however believe that the Catholic Church does try to keep peace with all the other religions out there. It does or does not mean that they will help the anti-christ, when he makes his debut. I beleive the Catholic church is very much aware of everything we are concerning the last days. I do not beleive as the Catholic Church is the only Church based on Jesus. There are 7 Churches in Revelation Chapters 2-3, and I can see a lot of churches fitting the bill. I believe that when Jesus told Peter, "on this rock, I shall build my church", he was meaning , the true Believer's all over the world, being Christ's true Church. We, being the body of the Church, and Jesus, being the Head. OR, Bride of Christ!
I know many Catholics, that are as much a Christian as I am. Although they do not call themselves such. There are good in all religions, but also, some bad.
Religion is MANMADE! The BIBLE is devinely made. IT IS THE LIVING WORD OF GOD.
It took me a long time and a lot of thought went into those words. But I believe it. Even in Jesus day, the Rabbi's were trying to change God's words to fit what they wanted it to be. They had twisted many of the Jewish laws that God had given them; and they thought they were better than everyone else. Jesus came on the sceen and corrected them! They didn't like it and HE was crusified. How thye must have felt when the Holy of Holies, Curtain, ripped from top to bottom and as the skies turned black and an earthquake hit at the very momment of Jesus Death on the Cross!
The Curtain to the holy of holies to me is a great sign, that we no longer needed a priest to go before God for us, we had an intersecessor in Jesus. Have you ever wondered why the Jews, no longer sacrifice animals? I have, and I beleive it is bcecause of what happened in that temple on that day of Jesus crucifiction.
We may never know on this side of Heaven, which religions were right or wrong. But the Bible says to; "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Timothy 2:15-16 (KJV)
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Code: ZE05113005
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).
On a rainy morning in Rome, the Holy Father's meditation, addressed to more than 23,000 people gathered in St. Peter's Square, concentrated on the suffering of the Jewish people in the Babylonian exile, expressed dramatically in Psalm 136(137).
The Pontiff referred to Augustine's commentary on this composition of the Jewish people, noting that this "Father of the Church introduces a surprising element of great timeliness."
Augustine "knows that also among the inhabitants of Babylon there are people who are committed to peace and the good of the community, despite the fact that they do not share the biblical faith, that they do not know the hope of the Eternal City to which we aspire," Benedict XVI stated.
"They have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption," explained the Pope, quoting Augustine.
This spark
"And he says that among the persecutors, among the nonbelievers, there are people with this spark, with a kind of faith, of hope, in the measure that is possible for them in the circumstances in which they live," the Holy Father continued.
"With this faith in an unknown reality, they are really on the way to the authentic Jerusalem, to Christ," he clarified.
Continuing with his quotes from Augustine, the Pope added that "God will not allow them to perish with Babylon, having predestined them to be citizens of Jerusalem, on the condition, however, that, living in Babylon, they do not seek pride, outdated pomp and arrogance."
The Bishop of Rome concluded by inviting those present to pray to the Lord "that he will awaken in all of us this desire, this openness to God, and that those who do not know God may also be touched by his love, so that all of us journey together toward the definitive City and that the light of this City might also shine in our time and in our world."
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Code: ZE05113005
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).
On a rainy morning in Rome, the Holy Father's meditation, addressed to more than 23,000 people gathered in St. Peter's Square, concentrated on the suffering of the Jewish people in the Babylonian exile, expressed dramatically in Psalm 136(137).
The Pontiff referred to Augustine's commentary on this composition of the Jewish people, noting that this "Father of the Church introduces a surprising element of great timeliness."
Augustine "knows that also among the inhabitants of Babylon there are people who are committed to peace and the good of the community, despite the fact that they do not share the biblical faith, that they do not know the hope of the Eternal City to which we aspire," Benedict XVI stated.
"They have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption," explained the Pope, quoting Augustine.
This spark
"And he says that among the persecutors, among the nonbelievers, there are people with this spark, with a kind of faith, of hope, in the measure that is possible for them in the circumstances in which they live," the Holy Father continued.
"With this faith in an unknown reality, they are really on the way to the authentic Jerusalem, to Christ," he clarified.
Continuing with his quotes from Augustine, the Pope added that "God will not allow them to perish with Babylon, having predestined them to be citizens of Jerusalem, on the condition, however, that, living in Babylon, they do not seek pride, outdated pomp and arrogance."
The Bishop of Rome concluded by inviting those present to pray to the Lord "that he will awaken in all of us this desire, this openness to God, and that those who do not know God may also be touched by his love, so that all of us journey together toward the definitive City and that the light of this City might also shine in our time and in our world."
Wow, Miki. This sounds like an intro to unification of religions. So now there is more than one way to get saved............?
QUOTE(Miki @ Jan 1 2006, 10:50 AM)
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Code: ZE05113005
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).
On a rainy morning in Rome, the Holy Father's meditation, addressed to more than 23,000 people gathered in St. Peter's Square, concentrated on the suffering of the Jewish people in the Babylonian exile, expressed dramatically in Psalm 136(137).
The Pontiff referred to Augustine's commentary on this composition of the Jewish people, noting that this "Father of the Church introduces a surprising element of great timeliness."
Augustine "knows that also among the inhabitants of Babylon there are people who are committed to peace and the good of the community, despite the fact that they do not share the biblical faith, that they do not know the hope of the Eternal City to which we aspire," Benedict XVI stated.
"They have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption," explained the Pope, quoting Augustine.
This spark
"And he says that among the persecutors, among the nonbelievers, there are people with this spark, with a kind of faith, of hope, in the measure that is possible for them in the circumstances in which they live," the Holy Father continued.
"With this faith in an unknown reality, they are really on the way to the authentic Jerusalem, to Christ," he clarified.
Continuing with his quotes from Augustine, the Pope added that "God will not allow them to perish with Babylon, having predestined them to be citizens of Jerusalem, on the condition, however, that, living in Babylon, they do not seek pride, outdated pomp and arrogance."
The Bishop of Rome concluded by inviting those present to pray to the Lord "that he will awaken in all of us this desire, this openness to God, and that those who do not know God may also be touched by his love, so that all of us journey together toward the definitive City and that the light of this City might also shine in our time and in our world."
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Code: ZE05113005
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).
On a rainy morning in Rome, the Holy Father's meditation, addressed to more than 23,000 people gathered in St. Peter's Square, concentrated on the suffering of the Jewish people in the Babylonian exile, expressed dramatically in Psalm 136(137).
The Pontiff referred to Augustine's commentary on this composition of the Jewish people, noting that this "Father of the Church introduces a surprising element of great timeliness."
Augustine "knows that also among the inhabitants of Babylon there are people who are committed to peace and the good of the community, despite the fact that they do not share the biblical faith, that they do not know the hope of the Eternal City to which we aspire," Benedict XVI stated.
"They have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption," explained the Pope, quoting Augustine.
This spark
"And he says that among the persecutors, among the nonbelievers, there are people with this spark, with a kind of faith, of hope, in the measure that is possible for them in the circumstances in which they live," the Holy Father continued.
"With this faith in an unknown reality, they are really on the way to the authentic Jerusalem, to Christ," he clarified.
Continuing with his quotes from Augustine, the Pope added that "God will not allow them to perish with Babylon, having predestined them to be citizens of Jerusalem, on the condition, however, that, living in Babylon, they do not seek pride, outdated pomp and arrogance."
The Bishop of Rome concluded by inviting those present to pray to the Lord "that he will awaken in all of us this desire, this openness to God, and that those who do not know God may also be touched by his love, so that all of us journey together toward the definitive City and that the light of this City might also shine in our time and in our world."
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Miki, great article....I'm going to be sick now. Thanks.
This pope seems to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Now you see the true side spoken here:
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VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).-
"Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith", says Benedict XVI.
"Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith", says Benedict XVI.
Do you think that God is pleased with this man? Do you think the Almighty Creator is pleased that he is quoting Augustine instead of the WORD OF GOD? Why is he not quoting scriptures?
Doesn't this send off any read flags to anyone? If it doesn't, then you are BLIND!
What he said literally made me SICK!
THE RCC IS AN FALSE CHURCH AND WILL PROMOTE FALSE DOCTRINES, THEY ARE SHOWING IT NOW PEOPLE!! SATAN LOVES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ARE DOING JUST WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO!!!!!!!! IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMOUS IN GOD'S EYES!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!
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THE RCC IS AN FALSE CHURCH AND WILL PROMOTE FALSE DOCTRINES, THEY ARE SHOWING IT NOW PEOPLE!! SATAN LOVES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ARE DOING JUST WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO!!!!!!!! IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMOUS IN GOD'S EYES!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!
That is the truth!!!
QUOTE(Marta @ Jan 1 2006, 04:25 PM)
QUOTE(Miki @ Jan 1 2006, 10:50 AM)
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Code: ZE05113005
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).
On a rainy morning in Rome, the Holy Father's meditation, addressed to more than 23,000 people gathered in St. Peter's Square, concentrated on the suffering of the Jewish people in the Babylonian exile, expressed dramatically in Psalm 136(137).
The Pontiff referred to Augustine's commentary on this composition of the Jewish people, noting that this "Father of the Church introduces a surprising element of great timeliness."
Augustine "knows that also among the inhabitants of Babylon there are people who are committed to peace and the good of the community, despite the fact that they do not share the biblical faith, that they do not know the hope of the Eternal City to which we aspire," Benedict XVI stated.
"They have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption," explained the Pope, quoting Augustine.
This spark
"And he says that among the persecutors, among the nonbelievers, there are people with this spark, with a kind of faith, of hope, in the measure that is possible for them in the circumstances in which they live," the Holy Father continued.
"With this faith in an unknown reality, they are really on the way to the authentic Jerusalem, to Christ," he clarified.
Continuing with his quotes from Augustine, the Pope added that "God will not allow them to perish with Babylon, having predestined them to be citizens of Jerusalem, on the condition, however, that, living in Babylon, they do not seek pride, outdated pomp and arrogance."
The Bishop of Rome concluded by inviting those present to pray to the Lord "that he will awaken in all of us this desire, this openness to God, and that those who do not know God may also be touched by his love, so that all of us journey together toward the definitive City and that the light of this City might also shine in our time and in our world."
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Code: ZE05113005
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).
On a rainy morning in Rome, the Holy Father's meditation, addressed to more than 23,000 people gathered in St. Peter's Square, concentrated on the suffering of the Jewish people in the Babylonian exile, expressed dramatically in Psalm 136(137).
The Pontiff referred to Augustine's commentary on this composition of the Jewish people, noting that this "Father of the Church introduces a surprising element of great timeliness."
Augustine "knows that also among the inhabitants of Babylon there are people who are committed to peace and the good of the community, despite the fact that they do not share the biblical faith, that they do not know the hope of the Eternal City to which we aspire," Benedict XVI stated.
"They have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption," explained the Pope, quoting Augustine.
This spark
"And he says that among the persecutors, among the nonbelievers, there are people with this spark, with a kind of faith, of hope, in the measure that is possible for them in the circumstances in which they live," the Holy Father continued.
"With this faith in an unknown reality, they are really on the way to the authentic Jerusalem, to Christ," he clarified.
Continuing with his quotes from Augustine, the Pope added that "God will not allow them to perish with Babylon, having predestined them to be citizens of Jerusalem, on the condition, however, that, living in Babylon, they do not seek pride, outdated pomp and arrogance."
The Bishop of Rome concluded by inviting those present to pray to the Lord "that he will awaken in all of us this desire, this openness to God, and that those who do not know God may also be touched by his love, so that all of us journey together toward the definitive City and that the light of this City might also shine in our time and in our world."
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Miki, great article....I'm going to be sick now. Thanks.
This pope seems to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Now you see the true side spoken here:
QUOTE
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).-
"Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith", says Benedict XVI.
"Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith", says Benedict XVI.
Do you think that God is pleased with this man? Do you think the Almighty Creator is pleased that he is quoting Augustine instead of the WORD OF GOD? Why is he not quoting scriptures?
Doesn't this send off any read flags to anyone? If it doesn't, then you are BLIND!
What he said literally made me SICK!
THE RCC IS AN FALSE CHURCH AND WILL PROMOTE FALSE DOCTRINES, THEY ARE SHOWING IT NOW PEOPLE!! SATAN LOVES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ARE DOING JUST WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO!!!!!!!! IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMOUS IN GOD'S EYES!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!
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We all quote men from time to time...let me read more and say later...but in general I think we have a milquetoast religion....
We as Christians are called to rise up and speak that word we have within our hearts and that word which is lifted off the pages of scriptures as a living word of God breathed fire and indignation against the staus quo of the devil's world....It is why we are coming to the climax of the ages...
Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Act 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
hi im new here, im catholic "I dotn talk english very well but i ll try to"
i feel quite sad about what u people d said , i dotn think is ok to say that.
i think u r misunderstanding all , on my point of view. he meant that the people that r not catholics or cristians that havent had a religios life n that aint prayed , n that dont talk with God , can be saved
just if they have a life without so much sins , n if they deeply acknowledge inside that there is a God.
otherwise almost everybody ll go to hell ,
n i belive that is true cause God have so much mercy on us
i think that not religios people or people that have never had time for God on their lifes , could go to heaven, only if they acknoledge inside that there is a God ,
i think we, like cristians n catholics, we should respect each other, n be united as persons ,
our religions are very similar we have almost the same bible , n i have saw that on this forum catholics r criticied more that the jews or even than musulm .
well the cristian r the mayority on this forum so we should talk like brothers n not offend each other.
i have my opinions but there r not ofensive if u have ofensive opinions for other religions better u dotn post them,
cause we have to have mutual respect for other peoples religions cause religion is the mot important thing to some persons lifes. n its painfull n deeply bad to heard such a things , n its regardless for other people.
u can not be waiting until the pope misspoke to rush to critism him ,
n there r things that could have a doble sense , this pope is new, i think he is not like john paul the second , in my opinion the catholic church was on good hands , with john paul the second, so there is big place that the new pope has to fill .
well when jesus told Peter u ll be the stone of my church , well jesus told that to peter now a day the pope is peter is the head of the catholic church,
well but i dont like to give my opinion on several things i have experience alot of thing n over here on latin america there r miracles of statues n healing miracles that convert atheistic people to catholics , not cristian to catholics ,
so why this miracles happens to convert them , the catholic r not the devil , the atheistics r ....
i dont think people should fight about religion we r all both cristian, catholics n protestants .
n we dont have to act like this,
there r trues about the saints n things that most of the people out of latin america r unaware i invite u to research more about the catholic religion n about the saints before criticism it.
i dont want u to get familiar with this religion just want u to be aware before u say such a awfull thing like the things i have found about the catholic religion.
well sorry for my english
, A big hug for all our fellows friend cristians , God bless.
----------------------------------------------------------------
keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
i feel quite sad about what u people d said , i dotn think is ok to say that.
i think u r misunderstanding all , on my point of view. he meant that the people that r not catholics or cristians that havent had a religios life n that aint prayed , n that dont talk with God , can be saved
just if they have a life without so much sins , n if they deeply acknowledge inside that there is a God.
otherwise almost everybody ll go to hell ,
n i belive that is true cause God have so much mercy on us
i think that not religios people or people that have never had time for God on their lifes , could go to heaven, only if they acknoledge inside that there is a God ,
i think we, like cristians n catholics, we should respect each other, n be united as persons ,
our religions are very similar we have almost the same bible , n i have saw that on this forum catholics r criticied more that the jews or even than musulm .
well the cristian r the mayority on this forum so we should talk like brothers n not offend each other.
i have my opinions but there r not ofensive if u have ofensive opinions for other religions better u dotn post them,
cause we have to have mutual respect for other peoples religions cause religion is the mot important thing to some persons lifes. n its painfull n deeply bad to heard such a things , n its regardless for other people.
u can not be waiting until the pope misspoke to rush to critism him ,
n there r things that could have a doble sense , this pope is new, i think he is not like john paul the second , in my opinion the catholic church was on good hands , with john paul the second, so there is big place that the new pope has to fill .
well when jesus told Peter u ll be the stone of my church , well jesus told that to peter now a day the pope is peter is the head of the catholic church,
well but i dont like to give my opinion on several things i have experience alot of thing n over here on latin america there r miracles of statues n healing miracles that convert atheistic people to catholics , not cristian to catholics ,
so why this miracles happens to convert them , the catholic r not the devil , the atheistics r ....
i dont think people should fight about religion we r all both cristian, catholics n protestants .
n we dont have to act like this,
there r trues about the saints n things that most of the people out of latin america r unaware i invite u to research more about the catholic religion n about the saints before criticism it.
i dont want u to get familiar with this religion just want u to be aware before u say such a awfull thing like the things i have found about the catholic religion.
well sorry for my english
, A big hug for all our fellows friend cristians , God bless.----------------------------------------------------------------
keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
QUOTE(ledzeppelin @ Jan 3 2006, 11:23 PM)
hi im new here, im catholic "I dotn talk english very well but i ll try to"
i feel quite sad about what u people d said , i dotn think is ok to say that.
i think u r misunderstanding all , on my point of view. he meant that the people that r not catholics or cristians that havent had a religios life n that aint prayed , n that dont talk with God , can be saved
just if they have a life without so much sins , n if they deeply acknowledge inside that there is a God.
otherwise almost everybody ll go to hell ,
n i belive that is true cause God have so much mercy on us
i think that not religios people or people that have never had time for God on their lifes , could go to heaven, only if they acknoledge inside that there is a God ,
i think we, like cristians n catholics, we should respect each other, n be united as persons ,
our religions are very similar we have almost the same bible , n i have saw that on this forum catholics r criticied more that the jews or even than musulm .
well the cristian r the mayority on this forum so we should talk like brothers n not offend each other.
i have my opinions but there r not ofensive if u have ofensive opinions for other religions better u dotn post them,
cause we have to have mutual respect for other peoples religions cause religion is the mot important thing to some persons lifes. n its painfull n deeply bad to heard such a things , n its regardless for other people.
u can not be waiting until the pope misspoke to rush to critism him ,
n there r things that could have a doble sense , this pope is new, i think he is not like john paul the second , in my opinion the catholic church was on good hands , with john paul the second, so there is big place that the new pope has to fill .
well when jesus told Peter u ll be the stone of my church , well jesus told that to peter now a day the pope is peter is the head of the catholic church,
well but i dont like to give my opinion on several things i have experience alot of thing n over here on latin america there r miracles of statues n healing miracles that convert atheistic people to catholics , not cristian to catholics ,
so why this miracles happens to convert them , the catholic r not the devil , the atheistics r ....
i dont think people should fight about religion we r all both cristian, catholics n protestants .
n we dont have to act like this,
there r trues about the saints n things that most of the people out of latin america r unaware i invite u to research more about the catholic religion n about the saints before criticism it.
i dont want u to get familiar with this religion just want u to be aware before u say such a awfull thing like the things i have found about the catholic religion.
well sorry for my english , A big hug for all our fellows friend cristians , God bless.
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keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
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i feel quite sad about what u people d said , i dotn think is ok to say that.
i think u r misunderstanding all , on my point of view. he meant that the people that r not catholics or cristians that havent had a religios life n that aint prayed , n that dont talk with God , can be saved
just if they have a life without so much sins , n if they deeply acknowledge inside that there is a God.
otherwise almost everybody ll go to hell ,
n i belive that is true cause God have so much mercy on us
i think that not religios people or people that have never had time for God on their lifes , could go to heaven, only if they acknoledge inside that there is a God ,
i think we, like cristians n catholics, we should respect each other, n be united as persons ,
our religions are very similar we have almost the same bible , n i have saw that on this forum catholics r criticied more that the jews or even than musulm .
well the cristian r the mayority on this forum so we should talk like brothers n not offend each other.
i have my opinions but there r not ofensive if u have ofensive opinions for other religions better u dotn post them,
cause we have to have mutual respect for other peoples religions cause religion is the mot important thing to some persons lifes. n its painfull n deeply bad to heard such a things , n its regardless for other people.
u can not be waiting until the pope misspoke to rush to critism him ,
n there r things that could have a doble sense , this pope is new, i think he is not like john paul the second , in my opinion the catholic church was on good hands , with john paul the second, so there is big place that the new pope has to fill .
well when jesus told Peter u ll be the stone of my church , well jesus told that to peter now a day the pope is peter is the head of the catholic church,
well but i dont like to give my opinion on several things i have experience alot of thing n over here on latin america there r miracles of statues n healing miracles that convert atheistic people to catholics , not cristian to catholics ,
so why this miracles happens to convert them , the catholic r not the devil , the atheistics r ....
i dont think people should fight about religion we r all both cristian, catholics n protestants .
n we dont have to act like this,
there r trues about the saints n things that most of the people out of latin america r unaware i invite u to research more about the catholic religion n about the saints before criticism it.
i dont want u to get familiar with this religion just want u to be aware before u say such a awfull thing like the things i have found about the catholic religion.
well sorry for my english
, A big hug for all our fellows friend cristians , God bless.----------------------------------------------------------------
keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
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Welcome to the forum.
Your english is great and my husband loves your name.
Kim
Welcome ledzeppelin. I am a catholic also and you make one very good point. That is that catholics are attacked here far more than muslims.
I was wondering how you feel about Bible prophecy.
sojourner
I was wondering how you feel about Bible prophecy.
sojourner
So quick to judge. Let me ask someone here this, how do you feel people who have never had the oppertunity to read the Bible will be judged?
sojourner
sojourner
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THE RCC IS AN FALSE CHURCH AND WILL PROMOTE FALSE DOCTRINES, THEY ARE SHOWING IT NOW PEOPLE!! SATAN LOVES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ARE DOING JUST WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO!!!!!!!! IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMOUS IN GOD'S EYES!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!
Blessings to you Marta for clearly standing up for the truth and revealing the Balaam religion that the RCC promotes. It offends me to have to come in hear and see people actually preaching RCC filth in here. Would we tolerate a buddhist or a muslim being given free reign to preach their false religions to get converts.?
People should realise the most abominable religions are the ones that are near the truth without being truth. They are the greatest deceivers, they are the greatest eternal murderers of men.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
I am moved to say that some here are dangerously treading a fine line of sinning against the Holy Spirit.
The Pope is speaking for Israel, as was Augustine.
There is no love here. In fact, the hate literally jumps off the screen at me. Pharisaic behavior is the only filth going on here.
sojourner
The Pope is speaking for Israel, as was Augustine.
There is no love here. In fact, the hate literally jumps off the screen at me. Pharisaic behavior is the only filth going on here.
sojourner
QUOTE(ledzeppelin @ Jan 3 2006, 11:23 PM)
hi im new here, im catholic "I dotn talk english very well but i ll try to"
i feel quite sad about what u people d said , i dotn think is ok to say that.
i think u r misunderstanding all , on my point of view. he meant that the people that r not catholics or cristians that havent had a religios life n that aint prayed , n that dont talk with God , can be saved
just if they have a life without so much sins , n if they deeply acknowledge inside that there is a God.
otherwise almost everybody ll go to hell ,
n i belive that is true cause God have so much mercy on us
i think that not religios people or people that have never had time for God on their lifes , could go to heaven, only if they acknoledge inside that there is a God ,
i think we, like cristians n catholics, we should respect each other, n be united as persons ,
our religions are very similar we have almost the same bible , n i have saw that on this forum catholics r criticied more that the jews or even than musulm .
well the cristian r the mayority on this forum so we should talk like brothers n not offend each other.
i have my opinions but there r not ofensive if u have ofensive opinions for other religions better u dotn post them,
cause we have to have mutual respect for other peoples religions cause religion is the mot important thing to some persons lifes. n its painfull n deeply bad to heard such a things , n its regardless for other people.
u can not be waiting until the pope misspoke to rush to critism him ,
n there r things that could have a doble sense , this pope is new, i think he is not like john paul the second , in my opinion the catholic church was on good hands , with john paul the second, so there is big place that the new pope has to fill .
well when jesus told Peter u ll be the stone of my church , well jesus told that to peter now a day the pope is peter is the head of the catholic church,
well but i dont like to give my opinion on several things i have experience alot of thing n over here on latin america there r miracles of statues n healing miracles that convert atheistic people to catholics , not cristian to catholics ,
so why this miracles happens to convert them , the catholic r not the devil , the atheistics r ....
i dont think people should fight about religion we r all both cristian, catholics n protestants .
n we dont have to act like this,
there r trues about the saints n things that most of the people out of latin america r unaware i invite u to research more about the catholic religion n about the saints before criticism it.
i dont want u to get familiar with this religion just want u to be aware before u say such a awfull thing like the things i have found about the catholic religion.
well sorry for my english , A big hug for all our fellows friend cristians , God bless.
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keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
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i feel quite sad about what u people d said , i dotn think is ok to say that.
i think u r misunderstanding all , on my point of view. he meant that the people that r not catholics or cristians that havent had a religios life n that aint prayed , n that dont talk with God , can be saved
just if they have a life without so much sins , n if they deeply acknowledge inside that there is a God.
otherwise almost everybody ll go to hell ,
n i belive that is true cause God have so much mercy on us
i think that not religios people or people that have never had time for God on their lifes , could go to heaven, only if they acknoledge inside that there is a God ,
i think we, like cristians n catholics, we should respect each other, n be united as persons ,
our religions are very similar we have almost the same bible , n i have saw that on this forum catholics r criticied more that the jews or even than musulm .
well the cristian r the mayority on this forum so we should talk like brothers n not offend each other.
i have my opinions but there r not ofensive if u have ofensive opinions for other religions better u dotn post them,
cause we have to have mutual respect for other peoples religions cause religion is the mot important thing to some persons lifes. n its painfull n deeply bad to heard such a things , n its regardless for other people.
u can not be waiting until the pope misspoke to rush to critism him ,
n there r things that could have a doble sense , this pope is new, i think he is not like john paul the second , in my opinion the catholic church was on good hands , with john paul the second, so there is big place that the new pope has to fill .
well when jesus told Peter u ll be the stone of my church , well jesus told that to peter now a day the pope is peter is the head of the catholic church,
well but i dont like to give my opinion on several things i have experience alot of thing n over here on latin america there r miracles of statues n healing miracles that convert atheistic people to catholics , not cristian to catholics ,
so why this miracles happens to convert them , the catholic r not the devil , the atheistics r ....
i dont think people should fight about religion we r all both cristian, catholics n protestants .
n we dont have to act like this,
there r trues about the saints n things that most of the people out of latin america r unaware i invite u to research more about the catholic religion n about the saints before criticism it.
i dont want u to get familiar with this religion just want u to be aware before u say such a awfull thing like the things i have found about the catholic religion.
well sorry for my english
, A big hug for all our fellows friend cristians , God bless.----------------------------------------------------------------
keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
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Welcome, to this forum. As I was reading your post I could almost hear your accent. IT WAS WONDERFUL. Your English is great, so much better than my Spanish, which is non-existent. This is what is so incredible about forums like this we get to meet people from all over the world. I think you will find that most of the posters on this forum are very gracious.
God Bless,
Kansas Dad
Dear Marta I like your post . To begin with this Augustine is not the creator of heaven and earth.I also like your question you asked: Do you think the almighty creator is pleased with him [ the pope] quoting Augustine instead of the Word of God?....... Well excuse me but I dont think so. I too believe it is an abomination and blasphemous in Gods eyes as it says in the ten commandments in Deuteronomy 5:7- Thou shalt have no other Gods before me... and to my opinon I would say he [the pope] is lifting up this Augustine. People often think "Well I wonder why God is so displeased with us? My quistion is "Do they not see why? That is satans job to blind the eyes of people so as they can slip the New World System in............. I dont mean to sound so blunt but all I can pray is" God help us not to be so blind? Sorry if its ofensive but my bible (KJV.) says speak the truth. 
but are we 
tetertootering?
. To begin with this Augustine is not the creator of heaven and earth.I also like your question you asked: Do you think the almighty creator is pleased with him [ the pope] quoting Augustine instead of the Word of God?....... Well excuse me but I dont think so. I too believe it is an abomination and blasphemous in Gods eyes as it says in the ten commandments in Deuteronomy 5:7- Thou shalt have no other Gods before me... and to my opinon I would say he [the pope] is lifting up this Augustine. People often think "Well I wonder why God is so displeased with us? My quistion is "Do they not see why? That is satans job to blind the eyes of people so as they can slip the New World System in............. I dont mean to sound so blunt but all I can pray is" God help us not to be so blind? Sorry if its ofensive but my bible (KJV.) says speak the truth. but are we tetertootering?
QUOTE(moma4god @ Jan 4 2006, 10:37 AM)
Dear Marta I like your post . To begin with this Augustine is not the creator of heaven and earth.I also like your question you asked: Do you think the almighty creator is pleased with him [ the pope] quoting Augustine instead of the Word of God?....... Well excuse me but I dont think so. I too believe it is an abomination and blasphemous in Gods eyes as it says in the ten commandments in Deuteronomy 5:7- Thou shalt have no other Gods before me... and to my opinon I would say he [the pope] is lifting up this Augustine. People often think "Well I wonder why God is so displeased with us? My quistion is "Do they not see why? That is satans job to blind the eyes of people so as they can slip the New World System in............. I dont mean to sound so blunt but all I can pray is" God help us not to be so blind? Sorry if its ofensive but my bible (KJV.) says speak the truth. but are we tetertootering?
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. To begin with this Augustine is not the creator of heaven and earth.I also like your question you asked: Do you think the almighty creator is pleased with him [ the pope] quoting Augustine instead of the Word of God?....... Well excuse me but I dont think so. I too believe it is an abomination and blasphemous in Gods eyes as it says in the ten commandments in Deuteronomy 5:7- Thou shalt have no other Gods before me... and to my opinon I would say he [the pope] is lifting up this Augustine. People often think "Well I wonder why God is so displeased with us? My quistion is "Do they not see why? That is satans job to blind the eyes of people so as they can slip the New World System in............. I dont mean to sound so blunt but all I can pray is" God help us not to be so blind? Sorry if its ofensive but my bible (KJV.) says speak the truth. but are we tetertootering?[right][snapback]31480[/snapback][/right]
I have a question for you, what happened then to a Jewish person who fervently believed in our one true God, living at the time of Jesus. He lived in a remote region where the news of Jesus Christ had not reached yet. This Jew then died, one hour after Christ died on the cross. Is this person going to go to Hell? He did not know Jesus at all, never heard of him. He couldn't have possibly accepted Jesus as his lord and savior.
The God of the Bible has Mercy and Grace far beyond the box we are trying to put him in. Yes it is absolutely because of the blood shed by Jesus Christ on the cross that any of us can receive salvation. How dare any of us try to judge the heart of another man? Folks that is Gods job and you had better leave it up to him. Get off the high horse and spread the good news of Jesus Christ and leave the condemnation to God. What you have are humble human being trying to answer the age old question, What about the people who never have the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Jesus, How can they be condemned to an eternity of hell if they had no possible way of knowing. The Pope and St. Augustine attempt to answer that question. There answer shows a God full of Grace and Mercy. not condemnation and human judgment.
God Bless,
Kansas Dad
QUOTE(Kansasdad @ Jan 4 2006, 12:29 PM)
The God of the Bible has Mercy and Grace far beyond the box we are trying to put him in. Yes it is absolutely because of the blood shed by Jesus Christ on the cross that any of us can receive salvation. How dare any of us try to judge the heart of another man? Folks that is Gods job and you had better leave it up to him. Get off the high horse and spread the good news of Jesus Christ and leave the condemnation to God. What you have are humble human being trying to answer the age old question, What about the people who never have the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Jesus, How can they be condemned to an eternity of hell if they had no possible way of knowing. The Pope and St. Augustine attempt to answer that question. There answer shows a God full of Grace and Mercy. not condemnation and human judgment.
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what's so amazing about grace?
What is the good news about condemnation?
What's good about going to hell?
excellent post KD
I am posting these scriptures, because these are the ones I find on the subject of people who have never heard the Gospel as such. You have and I have and ALL people have in us a sense or question about God. If you live on island X you will have this in your spirit. People bow down to all sorts of things, because of this feeling
So what if you are the Jew, one hour away from the death of Christ and you have not yet heard? God looks at that Jew and sees his life as a total.Did he at any stage call out to God? Did the man on island X at any stage call out to God?
17For in the Gospel a righteousness which God ascribes is revealed, both springing from faith and leading to faith [disclosed through the way of faith that arouses to more faith]. As it is written, The man who through faith is just and upright shall live and shall live by faith.(A)
18For God's [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative.
19For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them.
20For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],(
21Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.
I believe according to these scriptures that God reveals Himself to all people and will even reveal the way of salvation to you if there is nobody else close to tell you.
BUT you have to call out to Him and acknowledge Him.....He says that He has revealed Himself adequately to all people.
So what if you are the Jew, one hour away from the death of Christ and you have not yet heard? God looks at that Jew and sees his life as a total.Did he at any stage call out to God? Did the man on island X at any stage call out to God?
17For in the Gospel a righteousness which God ascribes is revealed, both springing from faith and leading to faith [disclosed through the way of faith that arouses to more faith]. As it is written, The man who through faith is just and upright shall live and shall live by faith.(A)
18For God's [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative.
19For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them.
20For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],(
21Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.
I believe according to these scriptures that God reveals Himself to all people and will even reveal the way of salvation to you if there is nobody else close to tell you.
BUT you have to call out to Him and acknowledge Him.....He says that He has revealed Himself adequately to all people.
Sorry the smiley is part of the color code and I cannot get it out. 
I did not put it there.
Also the above scriptures are from Rom 1
C
I did not put it there.
Also the above scriptures are from Rom 1
C
Kansas City Dad: I never stated anyone was going to hell I just gave my opinon. Augustine is not a God and no other word should be used but Gods.I was not judging as I do know not all but most of the bible and God tells me that we must all repent in order to be with Him and it is rather hard for me to believe that anyone would not have had the chance to here Gods word before they leave this world by contact in some way thru another person or however God does not lie and it says in Matthew 24:14.... And this (Gods) gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Yes He (God) does have mercy and grace on people how well I know as I am an example. I dont really think I am on a high horse as I cant even walk let lone ride. Im sorry if the post I wrote offended you if you think I need prayer than pray for me but everyone is entitled to an oppion whether it may be believed by other folks or not........... God Bless You. 
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Jan 4 2006, 12:11 PM)
I am posting these scriptures, because these are the ones I find on the subject of people who have never heard the Gospel as such. You have and I have and ALL people have in us a sense or question about God. If you live on island X you will have this in your spirit. People bow down to all sorts of things, because of this feeling
So what if you are the Jew, one hour away from the death of Christ and you have not yet heard? God looks at that Jew and sees his life as a total.Did he at any stage call out to God? Did the man on island X at any stage call out to God?
17For in the Gospel a righteousness which God ascribes is revealed, both springing from faith and leading to faith [disclosed through the way of faith that arouses to more faith]. As it is written, The man who through faith is just and upright shall live and shall live by faith.(A)
18For God's [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative.
19For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them.
20For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],(
21Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.
I believe according to these scriptures that God reveals Himself to all people and will even reveal the way of salvation to you if there is nobody else close to tell you.
BUT you have to call out to Him and acknowledge Him.....He says that He has revealed Himself adequately to all people.
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So what if you are the Jew, one hour away from the death of Christ and you have not yet heard? God looks at that Jew and sees his life as a total.Did he at any stage call out to God? Did the man on island X at any stage call out to God?
17For in the Gospel a righteousness which God ascribes is revealed, both springing from faith and leading to faith [disclosed through the way of faith that arouses to more faith]. As it is written, The man who through faith is just and upright shall live and shall live by faith.(A)
18For God's [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative.
19For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them.
20For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],(
21Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.
I believe according to these scriptures that God reveals Himself to all people and will even reveal the way of salvation to you if there is nobody else close to tell you.
BUT you have to call out to Him and acknowledge Him.....He says that He has revealed Himself adequately to all people.
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Thank you, I think that was very well put, and if you read what the Pope said, that is exactly what he was trying to say as well.
God Bless,
Kansas Dad
There is a lot of "quoting" of each other here. How is it you see this any different from what the pope did by quoting Augustine? Does the pope or the church elevate Augustine to God's level? You don't see his work in the Bible do you? Petty - petty people.
In the book of Matthew is the story of the blasphemy of the pharisees. Chapter 12, verse 22-37. The pharisees were accusing Jesus of casting demons out in the name of beelzebub.
Matt. 12 :32 "Whoever speaks a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him;but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this world or the world to come."
Matt. 12:37 "For by thy words thou wilt be justified, and by thy words thou wilt be condemned".
Take heed
sojourner
In the book of Matthew is the story of the blasphemy of the pharisees. Chapter 12, verse 22-37. The pharisees were accusing Jesus of casting demons out in the name of beelzebub.
Matt. 12 :32 "Whoever speaks a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him;but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this world or the world to come."
Matt. 12:37 "For by thy words thou wilt be justified, and by thy words thou wilt be condemned".
Take heed
sojourner
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Petty - petty people.
there was no name calling until now....
Why is it that every time the word "catholic" or "pope" come up... everyone gets on high alert?
QUOTE(moma4god @ Jan 4 2006, 12:30 PM)
Kansas City Dad: I never stated anyone was going to hell I just gave my opinon. Augustine is not a God and no other word should be used but Gods.I was not judging as I do know not all but most of the bible and God tells me that we must all repent in order to be with Him and it is rather hard for me to believe that anyone would not have had the chance to here Gods word before they leave this world by contact in some way thru another person or however God does not lie and it says in Matthew 24:14.... And this (Gods) gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Yes He (God) does have mercy and grace on people how well I know as I am an example. I dont really think I am on a high horse as I cant even walk let lone ride. Im sorry if the post I wrote offended you if you think I need prayer than pray for me but everyone is entitled to an oppion whether it may be believed by other folks or not........... God Bless You.
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psssssst, I’m not from Kansas City. I live in a little town of about 1,100 people.
Tell me how you feel the words from St. Augustine are contrary to God words, especially when reading the verses Cornelius provided. Oh and please pray for me as well, I need all the prayer I can get
God Bless,
Kansas Dad
so mama4god...
is it wrong (in your opinion) to quote religious figures?
How about your pastor?
is it wrong (in your opinion) to quote religious figures?
How about your pastor?
QUOTE(Adstar @ Jan 4 2006, 08:31 AM)
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THE RCC IS AN FALSE CHURCH AND WILL PROMOTE FALSE DOCTRINES, THEY ARE SHOWING IT NOW PEOPLE!! SATAN LOVES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ARE DOING JUST WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO!!!!!!!! IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMOUS IN GOD'S EYES!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!
Blessings to you Marta for clearly standing up for the truth and revealing the Balaam religion that the RCC promotes. It offends me to have to come in hear and see people actually preaching RCC filth in here. Would we tolerate a buddhist or a muslim being given free reign to preach their false religions to get converts.?
People should realise the most abominable religions are the ones that are near the truth without being truth. They are the greatest deceivers, they are the greatest eternal murderers of men.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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well man this is a cristian forum , but catholics r allowed to be here isnt, there r good cristian that have love n they r humble those r people guided by God but on a topic like this u should spare ur opinions , well i know this is a forum but if its a cristian forum but its very offensive the moderator should do something because if the catholics r allowed to come here they should have the same right on this forum,
despite some peoples behavors i like this forum, i d got here because i like this web about the code not because i want to argue with people that disagree with me i have my opinions for cristianism n there r not bad.
its a religion very similar but if u just criticyed each other u ll start a crusade n mankind had mature on that ,
n beleve me if u crytics so much the RCC one thing is for sure u r not guied for God, u r full of hate, hence u dont have the Love of God.
u know u also we must love musulm cause they r human being n we should pray for them,
n above all... u should study about the SAINTS n about the the church , find out about the father PIO , find about the virgin of Fatima n all saints , find about the virgen of guadalupe that she cry on a portrait n she make awsome miracles n she convert alot of atheisic on USA , i saw a documentary about that , but i advaice u to find about father PIO , he was a powerfull saint he had stigma , he fight agains teh devil, the devil was constanly attacking him..
that r things that the people dont know about the RCC n afterwards he became pope he makes plenty of miracles on the people arround him,
there where many saints that fought agains the devil. n teh saints were living people on their times , so if u dont have a clue about what im talkign about no wonder why u said all this my friend,
or perhaps try to find about john paul II did u know he born on an eclipse n the day he was burried , a eclipse happened that was visible on latin america n part of the US ,
also the virgin of fatima appear to shepards on portugal n on the last appearnace she appear to , 70 000 people they all saw the appearance of the virgin n tehre were people that were atheistic that were there to ridiculing those miracles , they found the faith , the virgin told the people to pray for the world , n to stop aborts , she also said that a pope ll be shot on murder attempt ,
n indeed john paul II was greeting people on saint peter square, that day was the day of the virgin of fatima,
n then suddenly the pope was shooted twice , n he survive miraculously ,
some time later when he recovered, he forgave his murder attempted.
well dont watn u to be familiar with this religion. just want u that if u r a radical cristian, unlike so much other good cristians ,
u should stop claiming such things infront of the face of teh catholic people , cause im catholic n the moderators greet me , catholics r welcome here.
but we both should behave n spare ours opinions if they r offensive to other people , that is a cristian value , just put yourself on our shoes , n we put ourself on yours ,
that way we could talk like persons
n research about those things ok dont want u to be catholic..
but if u opine u have to know about why u r opining , remember that many many saints had fought agains the devil .
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keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
ledzeppelin, don't worry too much about the arguments. We love each other on this forum and you will see on some of our other threads, it is always going like this.We somehow, by the grace of God , manage to talk and argue and love at the same time.
Cornelius
Cornelius
QUOTE(AppyGroove @ Jan 4 2006, 10:56 AM)
QUOTE(Kansasdad @ Jan 4 2006, 12:29 PM)
The God of the Bible has Mercy and Grace far beyond the box we are trying to put him in. Yes it is absolutely because of the blood shed by Jesus Christ on the cross that any of us can receive salvation. How dare any of us try to judge the heart of another man? Folks that is Gods job and you had better leave it up to him. Get off the high horse and spread the good news of Jesus Christ and leave the condemnation to God. What you have are humble human being trying to answer the age old question, What about the people who never have the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Jesus, How can they be condemned to an eternity of hell if they had no possible way of knowing. The Pope and St. Augustine attempt to answer that question. There answer shows a God full of Grace and Mercy. not condemnation and human judgment.
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what's so amazing about grace?
What is the good news about condemnation?
What's good about going to hell?
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Amen.
People are too quick to decide who is condemned to hell. The Savior only will be the judge of those who have not had the opportunity to hear His word, and I have a feeling He is much more merciful than we mere mortals can imagine. His grace and mercy are above all. All the scriptures that have been posted on this board trying to "explain" about those who have never had the opportunity to hear about the Savior really don't deal directly with that specifically, to me. Let's leave it to Him and His mercy and grace and stop trying to judge the matter for ourselves.
QUOTE(ledzeppelin @ Jan 5 2006, 05:53 AM)
QUOTE(Adstar @ Jan 4 2006, 08:31 AM)
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THE RCC IS AN FALSE CHURCH AND WILL PROMOTE FALSE DOCTRINES, THEY ARE SHOWING IT NOW PEOPLE!! SATAN LOVES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ARE DOING JUST WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO!!!!!!!! IT IS AN ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMOUS IN GOD'S EYES!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!
Blessings to you Marta for clearly standing up for the truth and revealing the Balaam religion that the RCC promotes. It offends me to have to come in hear and see people actually preaching RCC filth in here. Would we tolerate a buddhist or a muslim being given free reign to preach their false religions to get converts.?
People should realise the most abominable religions are the ones that are near the truth without being truth. They are the greatest deceivers, they are the greatest eternal murderers of men.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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well man this is a cristian forum , but catholics r allowed to be here isnt, there r good cristian that have love n they r humble those r people guided by God but on a topic like this u should spare ur opinions , well i know this is a forum but if its a cristian forum but its very offensive the moderator should do something because if the catholics r allowed to come here they should have the same right on this forum,
despite some peoples behavors i like this forum, i d got here because i like this web about the code not because i want to argue with people that disagree with me i have my opinions for cristianism n there r not bad.
its a religion very similar but if u just criticyed each other u ll start a crusade n mankind had mature on that ,
n beleve me if u crytics so much the RCC one thing is for sure u r not guied for God, u r full of hate, hence u dont have the Love of God.
u know u also we must love musulm cause they r human being n we should pray for them,
n above all... u should study about the SAINTS n about the the church , find out about the father PIO , find about the virgin of Fatima n all saints , find about the virgen of guadalupe that she cry on a portrait n she make awsome miracles n she convert alot of atheisic on USA , i saw a documentary about that , but i advaice u to find about father PIO , he was a powerfull saint he had stigma , he fight agains teh devil, the devil was constanly attacking him..
that r things that the people dont know about the RCC n afterwards he became pope he makes plenty of miracles on the people arround him,
there where many saints that fought agains the devil. n teh saints were living people on their times , so if u dont have a clue about what im talkign about no wonder why u said all this my friend,
or perhaps try to find about john paul II did u know he born on an eclipse n the day he was burried , a eclipse happened that was visible on latin america n part of the US ,
also the virgin of fatima appear to shepards on portugal n on the last appearnace she appear to , 70 000 people they all saw the appearance of the virgin n tehre were people that were atheistic that were there to ridiculing those miracles , they found the faith , the virgin told the people to pray for the world , n to stop aborts , she also said that a pope ll be shot on murder attempt ,
n indeed john paul II was greeting people on saint peter square, that day was the day of the virgin of fatima,
n then suddenly the pope was shooted twice , n he survive miraculously ,
some time later when he recovered, he forgave his murder attempted.
well dont watn u to be familiar with this religion. just want u that if u r a radical cristian, unlike so much other good cristians ,
u should stop claiming such things infront of the face of teh catholic people , cause im catholic n the moderators greet me , catholics r welcome here.
but we both should behave n spare ours opinions if they r offensive to other people , that is a cristian value , just put yourself on our shoes , n we put ourself on yours ,
that way we could talk like persons
n research about those things ok dont want u to be catholic..
but if u opine u have to know about why u r opining , remember that many many saints had fought agains the devil .
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keep praying for all the people of the world , cause a prayer from a faithfull person , its very powerfull ,important n helpfull for the world..
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Let me make myself clear. I want muslims to come here and i want buddist catholics, mormons, athiests and even satanists to come here. Because i love them and want them to come to the Love of The Truth. I want them to be saved.
What i hate is false religion and deception. I have lies not liars.
But there comes a time when an individual shows that they are not open to the Truth, that they are here only to spread their lies to promote their darkness into this forum. There are young Christians who come here who are vulnerable to this kind of deception. Posters like sojourner have been given the Gospel of grace over many weeks but has refused to accept it irrespective of all the clear evidence that his religion is false and corrupt.
When does the time come when we decide we have walked the extra mile with the deceived who's only intent now is to deceive others? Should we persist with sojourner while he does his best to promote catholicism here? I suppose this is in the hands of the owner of this forum. When is enough enough?
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
QUOTE(Adstar @ Jan 4 2006, 11:11 PM)
Let me make myself clear. I want muslims to come here and i want buddist catholics, mormons, athiests and even satanists to come here. Because i love them and want them to come to the Love of The Truth. I want them to be saved.
What i hate is false religion and deception. I have lies not liars.
But there comes a time when an individual shows that they are not open to the Truth, that they are here only to spread their lies to promote their darkness into this forum. There are young Christians who come here who are vulnerable to this kind of deception. Posters like sojourner have been given the Gospel of grace over many weeks but has refused to accept it irrespective of all the clear evidence that his religion is false and corrupt.
When does the time come when we decide we have walked the extra mile with the deceived who's only intent now is to deceive others? Should we persist with sojourner while he does his best to promote catholicism here? I suppose this is in the hands of the owner of this forum. When is enough enough?
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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What i hate is false religion and deception. I have lies not liars.
But there comes a time when an individual shows that they are not open to the Truth, that they are here only to spread their lies to promote their darkness into this forum. There are young Christians who come here who are vulnerable to this kind of deception. Posters like sojourner have been given the Gospel of grace over many weeks but has refused to accept it irrespective of all the clear evidence that his religion is false and corrupt.
When does the time come when we decide we have walked the extra mile with the deceived who's only intent now is to deceive others? Should we persist with sojourner while he does his best to promote catholicism here? I suppose this is in the hands of the owner of this forum. When is enough enough?
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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I do agree, for I believe Jesus hates religion. He had pointed this out by showing the hypocrisy of the Sadducees, and the Pharisees. Matthew 16:6 is a passage that gives warning of all religions, and that is a warning that should be repeated as often as possible.
But, then again, how do I or anyone else know that our bretheren or sister has taken heed and is wary of the leaven as spoken of by Christ? We really can't, for only God knows the depths of our hearts and what dwells in it, and only he can judge our hearts accordingly.
But when is enough enough? Ecclesiastes 3:1-9 comes to mind; a time for everything, especially verse 7 "... a time to keep silence, and a time to speak..."
May the Lord grant wisdom to know when. Ask for it, Adstar; I certainly do
With Love
HB
When is enough enough? I remember something about seventy times seven on a similar issue, so I think the Lord has a lot more patience than we do.
I wouldn't be worried about people being stolen away to catholicism or anything else by the presence of catholic participants on the forum. I'm not worried about it nor offended by what is posted as long as it is not outright contention. We can all judge for ourselves--we all have the Spirit to guide us. I haven't really seen anybody promoting catholicism, anyway--just defending against statements they feel are inaccurate. There's a big difference to me. But I didn't see the first post in this thread as promoting catholicism, anyway, like others did. I wasn't threatened by it. I'm secure in my faith and willing to discuss with others who may believe slightly differently.
Now if a Muslim came here and started promoting his religion, that would be different, because this is a Christian forum. I don't think I'd be interested in going there! (I'm a chicken, I guess!)
I wouldn't be worried about people being stolen away to catholicism or anything else by the presence of catholic participants on the forum. I'm not worried about it nor offended by what is posted as long as it is not outright contention. We can all judge for ourselves--we all have the Spirit to guide us. I haven't really seen anybody promoting catholicism, anyway--just defending against statements they feel are inaccurate. There's a big difference to me. But I didn't see the first post in this thread as promoting catholicism, anyway, like others did. I wasn't threatened by it. I'm secure in my faith and willing to discuss with others who may believe slightly differently.
Now if a Muslim came here and started promoting his religion, that would be different, because this is a Christian forum. I don't think I'd be interested in going there! (I'm a chicken, I guess!)
Adstar,
Please be more specific. What lies have been perpetuated here? The best way to defend or protect the youth of today is to examine the lie. We can't unmask deceit with obscure accusations. Please explain, for the sake of any youth who may be reading along, which is a lie here and why. And if you post umpteen scriptures, I guarentee that you will chase them away. Break things down for us.
sojourner
Please be more specific. What lies have been perpetuated here? The best way to defend or protect the youth of today is to examine the lie. We can't unmask deceit with obscure accusations. Please explain, for the sake of any youth who may be reading along, which is a lie here and why. And if you post umpteen scriptures, I guarentee that you will chase them away. Break things down for us.
sojourner
Appygroove,
I apologize for the words "petty-petty". Just a knee jerk reaction on my part for the reference of my faith being filth.
sojourner
I apologize for the words "petty-petty". Just a knee jerk reaction on my part for the reference of my faith being filth.
sojourner
IF U R CRISTIAN N U HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DONT READ THIS..
THIS IS JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT CALL THE RCC A FALSE RELIGION
humble bob n adstar , my message was adress just to people like u that talk without knowing what is the RCC , i dont want anybody to be catholic as i have already said many time ago ,
i want u to research on your own, n not involve anyone else. n u on ur own, could opine ok ,
n i wont even read ur ofensive threads until u ll make a deep research about what r u talking about,
we r not the devil, we r jsut another religion more.
oh well if u hate us so much, ur hate ll stay only with u,
it dosent affect us,.
u can not hate anyone ,thats another cristian value ,
the musuml said hate ur enemy n hate other religions, the cristian religion aint claim that
just make a deep research about this before u opine.
jsut for u 2 n the ones who d said ofeensive things about the RCC.
Saints have fought so much agains the devil.
father Pius was beated many time by the devil almost to dead ,
he had the stigmas , n he made miracles beyond of what could u imagine , afterwards he became pope ,
so u make ur own research n keep being cristian ,
i read the cristian bible on italian its almost the same as the catholic bible, this religions should be close.
n nobody ll be converted to catholics here just make ur own research!!!!.
n if u have something offensive to tell me better u spare ur opinion caus i wotn read it
hope that God could help us to talk as brothers, if u dotn want to be my brother i ll pray more for u .
i ll pray for all the people that offen us as well,
THIS IS JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT CALL THE RCC A FALSE RELIGION
humble bob n adstar , my message was adress just to people like u that talk without knowing what is the RCC , i dont want anybody to be catholic as i have already said many time ago ,
i want u to research on your own, n not involve anyone else. n u on ur own, could opine ok ,
n i wont even read ur ofensive threads until u ll make a deep research about what r u talking about,
we r not the devil, we r jsut another religion more.
oh well if u hate us so much, ur hate ll stay only with u,
it dosent affect us,.
u can not hate anyone ,thats another cristian value ,
the musuml said hate ur enemy n hate other religions, the cristian religion aint claim that
just make a deep research about this before u opine.
jsut for u 2 n the ones who d said ofeensive things about the RCC.
Saints have fought so much agains the devil.
father Pius was beated many time by the devil almost to dead ,
he had the stigmas , n he made miracles beyond of what could u imagine , afterwards he became pope ,
so u make ur own research n keep being cristian ,
i read the cristian bible on italian its almost the same as the catholic bible, this religions should be close.
n nobody ll be converted to catholics here just make ur own research!!!!.
n if u have something offensive to tell me better u spare ur opinion caus i wotn read it
hope that God could help us to talk as brothers, if u dotn want to be my brother i ll pray more for u .
i ll pray for all the people that offen us as well,
im just telling u why we r not the devil ,
i really hope that we could forget all the bad things we have said,
n to talk like persons that respect each other principles , n i reprise nobody ll be converted here.
keep the faith to ur religion.
cause God love us n dont want us to fight
n if u still thinking we r deceived well let us be , but dotn be offensive ok
Peace......
i really hope that we could forget all the bad things we have said,
n to talk like persons that respect each other principles , n i reprise nobody ll be converted here.
keep the faith to ur religion.
cause God love us n dont want us to fight
n if u still thinking we r deceived well let us be , but dotn be offensive ok
Peace......
QUOTE(ledzeppelin @ Jan 5 2006, 03:25 PM)
im just telling u why we r not the devil ,
i really hope that we could forget all the bad things we have said,
n to talk like persons that respect each other principles , n i reprise nobody ll be converted here.
keep the faith to ur religion.
cause God love us n dont want us to fight
n if u still thinking we r deceived well let us be , but dotn be offensive ok
Peace......
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i really hope that we could forget all the bad things we have said,
n to talk like persons that respect each other principles , n i reprise nobody ll be converted here.
keep the faith to ur religion.
cause God love us n dont want us to fight
n if u still thinking we r deceived well let us be , but dotn be offensive ok
Peace......
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Greeting Ledzepplin,
Welcome to the forum. I know that things are not always comfortable here and may stretch us abit, or a lot. But that is what I like about this forum. If you have accepted that Jesus Christ was God in human flesh when He was here and the blood that He shed on Calvary can, and has, covered all your sin, and made you just as if you had never sinned. Then you are part of the family of God no matter what church you attend.
Here we are free to post, and discuss, and sometimes even disagree, but even in disagreements, we can learn if we are willing. We have the Holy Spirit who is the seal of our salvation, to comfort us, lead us, teach us, and yes even to convict us. The Holy Spirit is the common link for all of us who are part of the family of God.
Peace!
And again, WELCOME! justaservant
What will the day be like when the world cries in horror of the news that the Vatican is burning? What will happen when destruction stikes in a single moment and St. Peter's Basilica smolders in ruins?
Surely when this happens then Revelation 18:1-24 will have come to past. How the world will be shocked and stunned thinking "How can God let those precious works of art, golden foil, fine cloths, magnificent architecture go in ruin? All those historical documents, canons, religious rules, laws, how did God let those get burned? Those wonderful crucifixes, statues of Mary, dedications to saints, burning candles; doesn't God want these, and now they are gone? How, how?"
I tell you how, and I do not lift a finger to any of this, as it will happen on its own. God has the mightiest of Angels that does his glorious works, they are his instrument that carry out his perfect design (Revelations 18:21). But will we know that it is God who have done this? People will say, "oh, a terrorist group did this, or a nation had attacked..." or any other number of explanable reasons for people to doubt. Who knows, maybe God himself will bring fire down. Eitherway, this will happen, but do not blame me for saying this when it does, because I will have not lifted a finger to do this, and for those who seeth in anger and say "what a tragedy, justice must be served!" will be blaming God for it is God that will do this.
Remember, his second coming cannot happen until Babylon has fallen, and you will know Babylon has fallen when you see the great smoke rise out from the city with seven mountains.
That is all I am saying about this, so for those who wish to eat the leaven bread of the Pharasees and Saducees, I will not argue with you. I pray for the Lord's forgiveness if I have not said what I was meant to say, or have said something he did not want me to say. But, I will quote Revelation 13:9-10 "If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."
Surely when this happens then Revelation 18:1-24 will have come to past. How the world will be shocked and stunned thinking "How can God let those precious works of art, golden foil, fine cloths, magnificent architecture go in ruin? All those historical documents, canons, religious rules, laws, how did God let those get burned? Those wonderful crucifixes, statues of Mary, dedications to saints, burning candles; doesn't God want these, and now they are gone? How, how?"
I tell you how, and I do not lift a finger to any of this, as it will happen on its own. God has the mightiest of Angels that does his glorious works, they are his instrument that carry out his perfect design (Revelations 18:21). But will we know that it is God who have done this? People will say, "oh, a terrorist group did this, or a nation had attacked..." or any other number of explanable reasons for people to doubt. Who knows, maybe God himself will bring fire down. Eitherway, this will happen, but do not blame me for saying this when it does, because I will have not lifted a finger to do this, and for those who seeth in anger and say "what a tragedy, justice must be served!" will be blaming God for it is God that will do this.
Remember, his second coming cannot happen until Babylon has fallen, and you will know Babylon has fallen when you see the great smoke rise out from the city with seven mountains.
That is all I am saying about this, so for those who wish to eat the leaven bread of the Pharasees and Saducees, I will not argue with you. I pray for the Lord's forgiveness if I have not said what I was meant to say, or have said something he did not want me to say. But, I will quote Revelation 13:9-10 "If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."
well u r not so humble , i dotn know just how the catholics in this forum can bear to hear such things here , is really offensive , it leaves one bad that people r claming this things.
well im faithfull to my religion n it break my heart to keep struggling about this topic . n is certainly awfull
it makes me fell bad all my day to read this things on this forums
so leave it like that. i cant not bear this
farewell, auf wiedersehen
zumindest machen sie ihre Forschung, oder nicht meinen.....
well im faithfull to my religion n it break my heart to keep struggling about this topic . n is certainly awfull
it makes me fell bad all my day to read this things on this forums
so leave it like that. i cant not bear this
farewell, auf wiedersehen
zumindest machen sie ihre Forschung, oder nicht meinen.....
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I haven't really seen anybody promoting catholicism, anyway--just defending against statements they feel are inaccurate.
You haven’t? Have you not seen the Purgatory thread? Is that not promotion of catholic dogma???? What an abomination to God. We are covered by the Blood of Jesus that is what makes us acceptable to God not a visit to a place that does not exist called Purgatory. What can we expect next Mary Co-Redeemer doctrine???
I must ask the owner of this forum if he is happy to have Purgatory preached in his forum?
I would like to know where i stand here? If the owner of this forum accepts the teachings of the catholic church as being Christian then i will know where i stand here?
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
ledzeppelin-
There are denomenational differences here but we all agree that Jesus is the son of GOd who took on human form to die for our sins so that we may have eternal life in accepting him as our savior. I have gotten my feelings hurt here too but then I realized that they weren't attacking me but simply expressing a different opinion.
We are all in different parts of our walk here... some are baby christians... some are more advanced.... we are all here to learn.
Please don't take this personally... we have catholic friends here (Kansadad comes to mind) who add so much to this forum.
Please don't leave this forum. There is much wisdom and love here overall.
Remember.... we're human and we err.... sometimes in our attempt to share something we may come across demeaning.... if you felt that way please let me be the first to apologize to you.
I'm sorry for hurt feelings or attacks you may have felt aimed at you.
Jesus, please forgive us for making anyone here feel uncomfortable. We don't mean to. Help us and guide us so that this dosen't happen again. In your holy name I pray, Amen.
There are denomenational differences here but we all agree that Jesus is the son of GOd who took on human form to die for our sins so that we may have eternal life in accepting him as our savior. I have gotten my feelings hurt here too but then I realized that they weren't attacking me but simply expressing a different opinion.
We are all in different parts of our walk here... some are baby christians... some are more advanced.... we are all here to learn.
Please don't take this personally... we have catholic friends here (Kansadad comes to mind) who add so much to this forum.
Please don't leave this forum. There is much wisdom and love here overall.
Remember.... we're human and we err.... sometimes in our attempt to share something we may come across demeaning.... if you felt that way please let me be the first to apologize to you.
I'm sorry for hurt feelings or attacks you may have felt aimed at you.
Jesus, please forgive us for making anyone here feel uncomfortable. We don't mean to. Help us and guide us so that this dosen't happen again. In your holy name I pray, Amen.
QUOTE(ledzeppelin @ Jan 5 2006, 07:45 PM)
well u r not so humble , i dotn know just how the catholics in this forum can bear to hear such things here , is really offensive , it leaves one bad that people r claming this things.
well im faithfull to my religion n it break my heart to keep struggling about this topic . n is certainly awfull
it makes me fell bad all my day to read this things on this forums
so leave it like that. i cant not bear this
farewell, auf wiedersehen
zumindest machen sie ihre Forschung, oder nicht meinen.....
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well im faithfull to my religion n it break my heart to keep struggling about this topic . n is certainly awfull
it makes me fell bad all my day to read this things on this forums
so leave it like that. i cant not bear this
farewell, auf wiedersehen
zumindest machen sie ihre Forschung, oder nicht meinen.....
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That's the thing, ledzeppelin. This is not a forum about religion, its a forum about Christ and those that believe he is God, as God is Christ.
And please don't feel threatened or disheartened about what I say, for I do not slander God. I rather uplift God by his son Jesus Christ!
John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(sound of music, dancing with joy) God is Jesus, Jesus is God
Get it??? It's as plain as the nose on one's face, Amen.Love HB
aleluyah my brother
bob how old u r younger than 15 , otherwise im disapointed
bob how old u r younger than 15 , otherwise im disapointed
QUOTE(ledzeppelin @ Jan 5 2006, 08:49 PM)
aleluyah my brother
bob how old u r younger than 15 , otherwise im disapointed
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bob how old u r younger than 15 , otherwise im disapointed
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heh heh, Let's just say I was reborn at 15
Glad you are here, ledzeppelin
HB
thanks bob
from which place r u from man?
QUOTE(ledzeppelin @ Jan 5 2006, 09:28 PM)
from which place r u from man?
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I live along hurricane alley, Florida USA
hi lov4all im deeply sorry if i hurted u as well u let me know if something bothers u
God bless .
God bless .
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