daysofnoah
Dec 11 2005, 11:24 AM
It might just be here. Sharon has ordered the Israeli military to plan a strike on Nuclear Iran with a deadline by the end of March.
"Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran," Sharon warned recently. "We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation."Read the article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=47848It's almost impossible to underestimate the importance of this story!
AppyGroove
Dec 11 2005, 04:34 PM
if its indeed true....
I would imagine a pullout from US.. JMO
Humble Bob
Dec 11 2005, 05:09 PM
QUOTE(daysofnoah @ Dec 11 2005, 11:24 AM)
It might just be here. Sharon has ordered the Israeli military to plan a strike on Nuclear Iran with a deadline by the end of March.
"Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran," Sharon warned recently. "We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation."Read the article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=47848It's almost impossible to underestimate the importance of this story!
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I agree. A very significant development, if it does happen. I feel this would play right into the prophecy of Revelations, since a pre-emptive strike by Israel on Iran is likely to be met with international condemnation. Revelations talks much about gathering armies in the final battle, to make war on "the camp of God's people and the city he loves." (Rev 20:9). Such an action by Israel is very much likely to gather armies against her. Only God knows when.
Marta
Dec 11 2005, 05:09 PM
QUOTE(AppyGroove @ Dec 11 2005, 03:34 PM)
if its indeed true....
I would imagine a pullout from US.. JMO
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I think the U.S would support Israel...I mean I would hope so. But then again in the Bible it says: All Nations shall come against Israel, perhaps that will be later? Just thinking outloud.
This is extremely important, this new leader of Iran (actually the president!) is a wild man, in fact he is an extremist. We need to all watch him very closely because he is a loose cannon!
The thing that gets me, is 'Why would Israel announce this? So Iran can prepare and strike them before Israel's deadline????'
AppyGroove
Dec 11 2005, 05:31 PM
sorta like giving Saddam a "were coming" notice...
If there were WMD, they are LOOOONNNGGG gone before we got there...
grumbletiger
Dec 11 2005, 07:31 PM
If this happens it would most assuredly set off the WW3 last big war scenario that God describes in Isaih(sp?) and Ezekiel, ase well as Revelations. All we need is another situation to set off the war. Israel using any kind of this force would strengthen other nations against what they see as western imperialism. They will band together to stop the evil westerners (us) and we all know what result that could have. I mean, look at the sheer numbers of military available in Russia and China. Regardless of our technological advantages we and anyone else who stands in the way of a deep-eastern combined war effort would be overrun in no time. I think all the things we've been talking about may come to pass soon, but we must remember to keep our faith, trust, and hope in the Lord Jesus who made us, and will redeem us. Love to all, and please msg. me if there are any more leads concerning this situation if at all possible. God Bless all!
Maz
Dec 11 2005, 07:37 PM
QUOTE(daysofnoah @ Dec 11 2005, 09:24 AM)
It might just be here. Sharon has ordered the Israeli military to plan a strike on Nuclear Iran with a deadline by the end of March.
"Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran," Sharon warned recently. "We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation."Read the article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=47848It's almost impossible to underestimate the importance of this story!
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This sounds zany. Not that Israel would be about to do this, but to announce a timeline...hardly a preemptive strike...it is more likely a decoy news item ...this flies in the face of military strategy and secrecy, but then the world is bonkers now.
grumbletiger
Dec 11 2005, 07:43 PM
This is a bigger problem than I thought. Russia is already making the moves to show whos side their on. The 'prince of Rosh' may be upon us earlier than we think!(maybe already here) The main problem I see is that while most people have forgoten it the fact remains that China and Russia have been exchanging billions of dollars of military equipment and performing joint military exercises over the last couple of years...So one would think that if your pal youve been beefin' up with so to speak gets called out and attacked for supporting an uncooperative regime....and a war starts....whos side you gonna be on? Your friends obviously. We all know the prophecy is true, I just hope and pray that we have more time than its starting to seem like we have. Dont get me wrong here, I want Gods word to be fullfilled in whatever way He and Jesus deem it. Im just selfish and want more time with my wife because I love her, and I want her to be with me in Gods kingdom more than anything else.
Humble Bob
Dec 11 2005, 08:09 PM
QUOTE(Mazinaw @ Dec 11 2005, 07:37 PM)
QUOTE(daysofnoah @ Dec 11 2005, 09:24 AM)
It might just be here. Sharon has ordered the Israeli military to plan a strike on Nuclear Iran with a deadline by the end of March.
"Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran," Sharon warned recently. "We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation."Read the article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=47848It's almost impossible to underestimate the importance of this story!
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This sounds zany. Not that Israel would be about to do this, but to announce a timeline...hardly a preemptive strike...it is more likely a decoy news item ...this flies in the face of military strategy and secrecy, but then the world is bonkers now.
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..it makes perfect sense and then it makes no sense at all. Israel swore to defend itself at all cost ever since WWII threatened to wipe out the Jewish race with the holocast. When they founded themselves as a nation again in 1948 they swore with absolute conviction to protect themselves and sought to develop the atomic bomb. See link.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/For an Arab nation (technically Persian) to posses the same technology while making overt threats to wipe out Israel is a pratical invitation for a pre-emptive strike. Even the WND news clip states "time is running out." So what's Israel to do? I guess they "humor" the Iranians by making such an announcement. That's the part that doesn't make sense, that this is insane, then so was the Cuban Missile Crisis when Kennedy issued an ultimatum, and the Soviets backed down. Maybe that's the Israeli's objective, but maybe the strategy doesn't work and instead is the first step towards Armageddon. Only God knows, because this is certain to "spiral out of control." Nonetheless, God is always in control. Amen.
Gr8ful
Dec 12 2005, 08:38 AM
Right Marta....The Bible says All nations will turn against Israel. I can already see our gov. turning its face away more and more. After all our Gov. was right In the middle of making Israel give back some of her land...One thing that I keep watching for is The Bible says the people from Israel will return to it's homeland, OK we have seen them come lately back from the East, North and South but the West means from our side of the world But I haven't seen that happen yet...Could it be that something happens here in the US that makes them want to return...You know what I'm saying? There Has to be Something happen that makes the Jews want to return to Israel from the western side....Anybody have any Ideas?
flyingsquirrel
Dec 12 2005, 09:06 AM
That is easy to answer! We are passing the same laws (patriot act) that Hiltler use to prosecute the Jews. The exact same actions that Hitler's regime took Bush is taking. Hilter used a terrorist attack to come to power and pass laws that would allow anyone he wanted to become the enemy of the state. Jews that have survived the halocaust feel safer back in Germany than staying here! They say they are seeing history repeat itself. Israel calls USA 'New Babylon' for this reason as well. George Bush Jr's grandfather had his business shut down because he funded that NAZI party, in fact, if it wasn't for the Bush Family, we would've never heard of the Nazi's thanks to so much financial support. The Nazi presence and influence and people are still there, clearly pulling the strings behind the scenes and don't get me started on the drug companies...these companies got their knowelege and start curteousy of the NAZI services performed for them in experiements on Jews in NAZI concertration camps. Many big drug companies still practice this horror with government permission on the poor of the 3rd world.
Humble Bob
Dec 12 2005, 09:23 AM
Well, the latest is Israel denies the article reported in WND.
http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=2243...doesn't mean the Israelis are not thinking about this. If Iran doesn't stand down it's either a Middle East Cold War or a hot one.
Miki
Dec 12 2005, 09:44 AM
Hard to imagine Iran standing down.
daysofnoah
Dec 12 2005, 10:14 AM
Yes VOA is also now reporting Israel's denial.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-12-11-voa22.cfm Could this be a leak? Or is Sharon testing the waters here? I wasn't even two in '81 when Israel took out Iraq's Nuke program. Did they announce it ahead of time back then, or did they just do by surprise?
I was going to put the following article on my website, but since Israel is now denying the report I'm going to sit on it:
December 11, 2005
Holy Land End Game
JERUSALEM—Sunday Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ordered the Israeli military to prepare for a strike against Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities by the end of March. According to World Net Daily Israeli intelligence has concluded that the end of March will mark “the point of no return” in Tehran’s efforts to build nuclear weapons. Tehran continues to assert that their nuclear program is energy related.
Newly installed Iranian President Mahmoud Amadinejad is increasingly belligerent towards Israel in his rhetoric. In October Amadinejad publicly stated that Israel should be wiped off the map. Earlier this week on Iranian TV the Holocaust denier said that the Jewish state should be moved to Europe.
Sharon’s comments upped the ante in a conflict that continues to grow more dangerous. Earlier this week former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a statement similar to Sharon’s.
“I view the development of the Iranian nuclear (programme) as a paramount threat and as a real danger to the future of the state of Israel," Netanyahu said. "Israel needs to do everything to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear threat against it." (Spacewar.com)
Two weeks ago Middle East Newsline reported that Iran had “accelerated its uranium conversion program”. Citing a report released on November 18 by the International Atomic Energy Agency, Newsline reported that Iran had shipped a batch of yellowcake to a facility in Isfahan on November 16. Yellowcake is necessary in the initial uranium enrichment process required before making weapons grade nuclear fuel.
According a Spacewar.com report published on November 29th, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw announced that Iran is developing long range missiles “capable of reaching England’s south coast”. Spacewar.com quotes Staw as saying, “The fact that the government of Iran is developing longer range missiles is incontrovertible.”
Last week Middle East Newsline reported that the Israeli military had successfully intercepted a Shahab-3 type missile over the Mediterranean using Arrow 2 technology. The Iranian Shahab-3 missile reportedly has a range of 1300 kilometers and the simulated interception reflects Israel’s proactive stance.
Meanwhile Russia continues to collude with Tehran. On December 2 World Net Daily reported Iran’s purchase of 29 Russian Tor M-1 anti-missile / anti-aircraft systems – systems that will “complicate any planned pre-emptive attack.” Russia confirmed the sale on December 6.
hope
Dec 12 2005, 06:59 PM
QUOTE(Marta @ Dec 11 2005, 06:09 PM)
QUOTE(AppyGroove @ Dec 11 2005, 03:34 PM)
if its indeed true....
I would imagine a pullout from US.. JMO
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I think the U.S would support Israel...I mean I would hope so. But then again in the Bible it says: All Nations shall come against Israel, perhaps that will be later? Just thinking outloud.
This is extremely important, this new leader of Iran (actually the president!) is a wild man, in fact he is an extremist. We need to all watch him very closely because he is a loose cannon!
The thing that gets me, is 'Why would Israel announce this? So Iran can prepare and strike them before Israel's deadline????'

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hope
Dec 12 2005, 07:03 PM
Marta - I'm thinking out loud also. Why would Israel tell of this strike. I do hope also that US will stand by the Holy Land. If they do launch a strike, it will be a really big deal and could start the war that brings the world against them. Things are moving fast!
Hope
Miki
Dec 14 2005, 07:43 AM
QUOTE(daysofnoah @ Dec 12 2005, 03:14 PM)
Yes VOA is also now reporting Israel's denial.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-12-11-voa22.cfm Could this be a leak? Or is Sharon testing the waters here? I wasn't even two in '81 when Israel took out Iraq's Nuke program. Did they announce it ahead of time back then, or did they just do by surprise?
I was going to put the following article on my website, but since Israel is now denying the report I'm going to sit on it:
December 11, 2005
Holy Land End Game
JERUSALEM—Sunday Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ordered the Israeli military to prepare for a strike against Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities by the end of March. According to World Net Daily Israeli intelligence has concluded that the end of March will mark “the point of no return” in Tehran’s efforts to build nuclear weapons. Tehran continues to assert that their nuclear program is energy related.
Newly installed Iranian President Mahmoud Amadinejad is increasingly belligerent towards Israel in his rhetoric. In October Amadinejad publicly stated that Israel should be wiped off the map. Earlier this week on Iranian TV the Holocaust denier said that the Jewish state should be moved to Europe.
Sharon’s comments upped the ante in a conflict that continues to grow more dangerous. Earlier this week former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a statement similar to Sharon’s.
“I view the development of the Iranian nuclear (programme) as a paramount threat and as a real danger to the future of the state of Israel," Netanyahu said. "Israel needs to do everything to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear threat against it." (Spacewar.com)
Two weeks ago Middle East Newsline reported that Iran had “accelerated its uranium conversion program”. Citing a report released on November 18 by the International Atomic Energy Agency, Newsline reported that Iran had shipped a batch of yellowcake to a facility in Isfahan on November 16. Yellowcake is necessary in the initial uranium enrichment process required before making weapons grade nuclear fuel.
According a Spacewar.com report published on November 29th, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw announced that Iran is developing long range missiles “capable of reaching England’s south coast”. Spacewar.com quotes Staw as saying, “The fact that the government of Iran is developing longer range missiles is incontrovertible.”
Last week Middle East Newsline reported that the Israeli military had successfully intercepted a Shahab-3 type missile over the Mediterranean using Arrow 2 technology. The Iranian Shahab-3 missile reportedly has a range of 1300 kilometers and the simulated interception reflects Israel’s proactive stance.
Meanwhile Russia continues to collude with Tehran. On December 2 World Net Daily reported Iran’s purchase of 29 Russian Tor M-1 anti-missile / anti-aircraft systems – systems that will “complicate any planned pre-emptive attack.” Russia confirmed the sale on December 6.[right][snapback]28042[/snapback][/right]
Good article and it would fit with things l've felt and heard in the spirit about that time of year...
Tzeitel
Dec 14 2005, 08:13 AM
If you remember earlier this month, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe. His comments followed his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map," which sparked widespread international condemnation.
He has been cautious about re-establishing formal ties with the US, which were broken in 1979. He said "America's unilateral move to sever ties with the Islamic Republic was aimed at destroying the Islamic revolution...
"America was free to sever its ties with Iran, but it remains Iran's decision to re-establish relations with America."
Is Mr. Ahmadinejad's fanatical devotion to a mystical religious figure the underlying motive for his defiance of the world and his call for the destruction of Israel?
According to Shi'ite Muslim teaching, Abul-Qassem Mohammad, the 12th leader whom Shi'ites consider descended from the Prophet Mohammed, disappeared in 941 but will return at the end of time to lead an era of Islamic justice.
"Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi," Ahmadinejad said in the speech to Friday Prayers leaders from across the country.
"Therefore, Iran should become a powerful, developed and model Islamic society."
"Today, we should define our economic, cultural and political policies based on the policy of Imam Mahdi's return. We should avoid copying the West's policies and systems," he added, newspapers and local news agencies reported.
Ahmadinejad refers to the return of the 12th Imam, also known as the Mahdi, in almost all his major speeches since he took office in August.
A September address to the U.N. General Assembly contained long passages on the Mahdi which confused Western diplomats and irked those from Sunni Muslim countries who believe in a different line of succession from Mohammed.
This fascination has prompted wild stories to circulate.
Presidential aides have denied a popular rumor that he ordered his cabinet to write a letter to the 12th Imam and throw it down a well near the holy city of Qom where thousands of pilgrims come each week to pray and drop messages to the Imam.
But what really has tongues wagging is the possibility that Ahmadinejad's belief in the 12th Imam's return may be linked to the supposed growing influence of a secretive society devoted to the Mahdi which was banned in the early 1980s.
Founded in 1953 and used by the Shah of Iran to try to eradicate followers of the Bahai faith, the Hojjatieh Society is governed by the conviction that the 12th Imam's return will be hastened by the creation of chaos on earth.
Ahmadinejad, who is only the second non-cleric to become president since the revolution, has made clear his immense respect for Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, a deeply conservative cleric with close ties to the Hojjatieh-founded Haqqani theological school in Qom.
Conspiracy theorists, never in short supply in Iran, allege that many members of Ahmadinejad's cabinet and other key appointees are Haqqani graduates and Hojjatieh followers.
"It seems that they (Hojjatieh members) have recently become more active and are spread through the government," said a political analyst who declined to be named.
"The president has repeatedly said his government will pave the way for the Imam's return."
Islamic end times ideology is absolutely chilling; it drives this horrible man, and many, many others to encourage a global jihad.
Miki
Dec 14 2005, 08:20 AM
It's just confusion being thrust out...A cover by the enemy to cover his real appearing else were.
flyingsquirrel
Dec 14 2005, 09:08 AM
Good reply Miki...

I am wondering if Israel is deliberately mimicking the U.S in annoucing a pre-emptive strike, remember President Bush gave Saddam 24 hrs warning? Perhaps Israel is trying to say, "look we warned you, just like President Bush" and in doing so trying to gain some admiration from the Bush administration, like a small kid trying to impress the big bully.
Tzeitel
Dec 14 2005, 09:13 AM
Not a bad theory guys but everything is speculation isnt it? We really dont know anything. Im sure as Christians we will know the identity of the enemy when he shows his true self.
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