Israel is to give the Vatican control over one of the most sacred Christian sites in Jerusalem, several European newspapers have reported recently.

According to the reports, Israel will give the Holy See possession of the Coenaculum, or the Room of the Last Supper (also known as the Upper Room or the Cenacle), on Mount Zion. In exchange, Israel is to gain control of a 12th-century synagogue in Toledo, Spain, which is currently the Santa Maria la Blanca Church, says the Times of London. The synagogue became a church during the 15th-century expulsion of Jews from Spain.



President Moshe Katsav and Pope Benedict XVI are to announce the historic real estate deal during their upcoming meeting in Rome, the reports claimed.

The Foreign Ministry has dismissed the reports as "nonsense," but they have already aroused stormy reactions from religious factions warning against a change in the fragile status quo in relations among Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Israeli government sources said the report recycles an old proposal that came up during more than a decade of Israel-Vatican talks on bilateral ties. They called the Catholic proposal "insulting and unreasonable," and said an Israeli investigation indicated that the Vatican does not even own the Toledo church.

The ministry said Israel rejected the proposal in 2003 and that the issue has not been raised since.

The only Israeli official who has publicly spoken about this issue is former interior minister Avraham Poraz (Shinui), who said during a visit to the Vatican last September that from Israel's perspective, the exchange could take place if the relevant parties were to agree.

In the last few days, officials in the Greek Orthodox Church have asked the Jerusalem municipality for an explanation, since it claims ownership of all of Mount Zion. The Diaspora Yeshiva, which uses several buildings on Mount Zion, asked Prime Minister Ariel Sharon yesterday to intervene in an effort to prevent "the Tomb of David from getting into Christian hands."

In a letter to Sharon, Diaspora Yeshiva representative Shmuel Berkovitz said, "Turning the Coenaculum into an active church is a way of desecrating the holiness of the Tomb of David" and is offensive to Jews. Berkovitz, an expert on holy places, said the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims who could be expected to visit the Coenaculum would make the lives of the yeshiva students intolerable.

In a letter to Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski, Diaspora Yeshiva head Rabbi Mordechai Goldstein said the yeshiva would not let such an agreement pass quietly. Diaspora Yeshiva students have been involved in several violent conflicts with their neighbors, and in 1978 took control of the Chapel of the Holy Spirit, which is near the Room of the Last Supper.

The two rooms are considered the fourth-holiest site in the Christian world. The Room of the Last Supper, where, as the name indicates, the Last Supper is said to have taken place, is on the second floor of the building in question. The first floor houses the Tomb of David, a holy site for Jews and Muslims, where King David is said to be buried.


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ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? What does Isreal think it is doing? What is it think it is accomplishing???

I don't understand. Thousands of years of exile. God meraculously gives you your homeland in a day. What do they do? Give some territory away.

Six day war. God meraculously delivers Isreal from their enemies. What does Isreal do? Give land away.

They are still giving land away.

All in the name of peace.

How long will God allow this to continue?

Some believe that the false prophet and the antichrist will make an alliance.

Some further believe that the false prophet is the pope and the antichrist is a muslim. Hmmmmmmmm.

Pray for the peace of Isreal. The salvation of the Jews.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

JHamner....I'm with ya girl! EVIL IS SOOOO IN THE WORLD!!!! There is nothing we can do, it is all biblical....the prophecies are coming alive right before our very eyes.

Did you guys expect to see them in your lifetime? I did....sure did.

Scripture calls it a chosen or special generation...the generation that is born during the coming back of the Lord. It says that "this generation shall not pass until the conclusion" of it all.

So many generations waited, wondering if they would be the one....my nanny, rest her soul, hoped she would see it. Believed she would. We all hope and believe. Hard for me to consider that I woul dbe in anything that important.....!

Pretty amazing.

leia

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JHamner....I'm with ya girl! EVIL IS SOOOO IN THE WORLD!!!! There is nothing we can do, it is all biblical....the prophecies are coming alive right before our very eyes.

Did you guys expect to see them in your lifetime? I did....sure did.
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Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Amen and amen.

I often wonder why in the world God would choose me to be lucky enough to live during this time. WHY ME??

I am so blessed. Praise God.

Thanks Larry, yes...I didn't know exactly where that verse was:

Isn't there another verse saying the same thing? I know I saw it!!

See, I told you that would happen.......Wickedness in high places abounds!

Meshuganah

Hi Marta.

My guess is that you might find what you're looking for in Daniel or Ezekiel. I have to get ready for work right now so I don't have time to look. I'll take my Bible to work with me and look.

sojourner

Leia
God rest you grandmothers soul...How do you know she won't be standing right beside you????...that is if God raises the dead in Christ...THE SAINTS will come marching in...and the world will be destroyed by FIRE.
What do you suppose the Fire will be? THE WORD OF GOD is the FIRE..and yes we may suffer for it....but Joy comes in the MORNING.
YOU child of God will be a flame ....each small candle lights a corner of the dark.
SHINE AND GO FORTH with a smile on your face...for oh the LORD he is good, and his love endures forever.
AMEN, REJOICE in the LORD

WE ARE THE GENERATION OF THE HISTORY MAKERS!!

THANK YOU LORD!!!!!

It really is amazing that we look to be that generation. We are that generation.

In years past there were so many other generations who thought the same thing.

But no other generation has ever seen what we are seeing prophetically.

I am so glad to know the Lord. Praise Him!

I can remember my mother saying it could happen antime back in the 60's and I would ask how, cause so many things just didnt make sense to a kid. Like how could we see the two witness. Something wasnt right.
NOW, it different for we have a more or less a cashless socity Rev.13. Mircrochips can be place in people and pets. We have scanners at the checkout in stores. We can fly anywhere Dan12:4. Our knowledge is greater than ever.
I have tried to find the verse about the sins that would be taking place and I have misplace my notes but it talks about rebellion, worship of demons, idolatry, murders, thefts and sorceries.
Kim

I don't understand....could you explain? You know your opinion matters, you little skulker you.....what did you mean. PLEASE without being hateful. Use scripture and verse. what wickedness and what high places?

leia

Leia .... your so funny sometimes without even knowing it!!

Yeah, this generation sure is THE generation. I mean, the technology we have now (even the internet) has helped fulfill an enormous amount of Revelation prophesy and things are speeding up at such a quick rate as well.

World Wide TV / Satellite Communication - For the FIRST time in the history of mankind can billions of people watch an event simultaneously - fulfilling the prophesy of the globe being able to watch the deaths and resurrection of the Two Witnesses.

You guys are already 95 percent cashless in USA today and its spreading rapidly into Europe. Less than 5% of the total money in society exists as paper currency or coins.

Smart Card computer chips that can store mega amounts of data including finances

Book of Daniel - Travel and Knowledge shall increase during the last days. Look at the explosion of the internet, global and space travel.

These are just a handful. Im sure there are others on the forum better educated than I am that can quote even more fulfilled prophecies.

Marta-
How about this?

Matthew 24
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Everyone- -
Now is a time for vigilant intercessory prayer. We much each search ourselves and The Word to establish that we are walking in God's will for us. Now is the time, like no other time before us, to put on the full armor of God. If we think things are crazy now, we haven't sees nothin' yet! But we were all appointed to live in this time for a reason. God doesn't do coincidences.

So....
...Search.
...Pray.
...Believe.

God will pour out his Spirit and give each one of us exactly what we need to endure and perservere in the times ahead. This is not a time to fear.... but a time to rejoice!!

Even so... come Lord!!!!!


Proverbs 3:
23Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.

24When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.

25Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.

26For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.


Our deliverance is near!

Hello Leia,

I was just refering to the way the vatican seems to get into all the 'Holy Places' in the world and somehow they 'aquire' control because they are seen as the so called leaders of the Christian churches under the Pope.

The next step will be that they will say that the site is an old catholic one and give it a name after some self rightious person from that time.

We do not fight against flesh and blood but dominions and powers.....wickedness in high places.

I know there are some good people on this forum who are still tied to the catholic church but I learned that there is only one church, the body of Christ of which G-d is the head in Jesus and that there is no need for intersecion between us and Jesus.

When I was in Jerusalem I was amazed at the number of 'cathedrals that hed been erected on top of all the significant places...Bethlehem, the tomb, etc etc

At the same time, the Vatican since then has been responsible for the inquisitions and all sorts of wickedness in high places.

The subject is really hard to just skirt around and I reference it knowing that I may offend, but please, I am concerned with the word of G-d and Doctrinal basics that cannot be ignored.

Love, Meshuganah

Lov4All.........THAT WAS IT THANK YOU!

Sojourner, thank you for looking!

Just imagine if the ark of the covenant has been hidden away in Spain all this time

Amen!! This just becomes more and more obvious everyday. I have asked the Lord for discernment to things around me and it's kind of scary how prolific and subtle these "principalities" are.

sojourner,
I'm not catholic, but I see exactly what you mean by this statement, and it's not just the catholic faith that this is done to. It's any religious belief that somebody doesn't agree with. I'm not sure if individual Christians are aware that this is happening--that they are being led in their views about another religious group by somebody else who's already made up their mind about that group.

Your statement of "read the scriptures for yourself and then let me tell you what they mean" was a very accurate description of what happens. There are several churches that people really have no clue about because a few influential people have gone to great lengths to publish their negative views on those churches.

I wonder what will happen when the Savior comes again if one of those churches turns out to be His. Wouldn't that be an interesting explanation of what was meant by "strong delusion." The truth was slandered so badly that people didn't want anything to do with it.

Shy1
You are such a blessing

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JHamner....I'm with ya girl! EVIL IS SOOOO IN THE WORLD!!!! There is nothing we can do, it is all biblical....the prophecies are coming alive right before our very eyes.

Did you guys expect to see them in your lifetime? I did....sure did.
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Israel is the most sought after real estate in the world! Why? Because it is God's real estate. We need to be in prayer for Israel. The Sanhedran Faction of the Hebrew Faith have reformed. Israel gave up the Gaza Strip to the PA. Now there are terrorists comming up from Egypt. (where Saddam hid his WMD's in '92) Does anyone beside's me see that the war in Iraq and Afganistan has nothing to do with terrorism? It has to do with Israel and its real estate! Where else in the world do we have sooo much happening over such a small plot of land?
Alliances are being formed to the North of Israel, Rusia and Iran. To the South with Egypt. The alliances that are being formed mean nothing?! Everyone wants this peice of this property!!!!

(Gog, Magog and Tubal=Russia
Cush=Ethopia
Togar or Gomar=Turkey
Persia is modern day Iran) (See Exekiel Chapters 34-40)

Did you know that the Arab Nations came from Abraham's son of a bondwoman and that God gave her a promise. (Read Genesis Chapter 21:13) This is why Israel is such a sought after piece of real estate. There are also 12 tribes from Ishmael (See Genesis Chapter 25:12-16)


Why does it not surprise me that the Pope who reigns in Rome, would make an alliance with Israel? Me thinks there may ba an alterior motive....

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Welcome tigger!! I agree with you reply wholeheartedly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



IMHO....I see it. I just felt a need to highlight it.

I knew you'd jump in there Marta

Does anyone beside's me see that the war in Iraq and Afganistan has nothing to do with terrorism? It has to do with Israel and its real estate! Where else in the world do we have sooo much happening over such a small plot of land?

Just a chess piece moved by the hand of God. For he turns the head of kings the way he will...Right?

I fully agree Miki. This whole war is the children of Ishmael trying to claim the birthright of Abraham, and the only way they want to do it is to wipe out the children of Isaac. Now I know that is maybe not the way that it comes out in the press, but I fully believe that is what is happening.
But, what we know is that Isaac is the child of promise!
justaservant

Don't forget that God gave Ishmeal a promise too. Because of Sarah's sin in sending Hagar and Ishmael away. God said to Abraham, "And also of the son of the bondwoman I will make a nation, because he is thy seed." Genesis 21:13 (KJV)

This then set the stage for what we are seing now. Notice that there are no palestinians in the Bible! And Terrorists are talked about!!!

Oh yes the stage is set and everything is going according to His plan.
Lord I am getting weary of everything that is going on here on earth.
I am looking up anxiously awaiting your return.

I know no matter how tired we get we have to keep up the good
fight. I can't take the focus off of our Lord for one second or my
peace is gone.