THE SEVEN THUNDERS
Oct 12 2008, 03:38 AM
Obama Is A Bastard-Child
Hussein Obama Is Illegitimate & His Parents NEVER Married
Is this his idea of “family values”? He’d make a disgrace of the Presidency.
Obama Illegitimate Child and He Knew It (15Jul08)
Andy Martin exposes Barack Obama's parents were never married
Barack Obama panics: Andy Martin's book forces Obama to admit he is illegitimate
Legendary Chicago Internet columnist and Obama author Andy Martin will hold a New York news conference Monday, July 14th to drop the first of several bombs on the Obama campaign: Obama is illegitimate and his parents were never married.
For the past four years one man has made Obama miserable: Chicago writer Andy Martin. Martin's accurate original article is cited as the source of later rumors concerning Obama's Islamic family roots. Martin has relentlessly and accurately investigated Barack Obama's lies."
Obama knew we were working the 'illegitimate' story, and we were preparing a series of news conferences in conjunction with my book Obama: The Man Behind The Mask," Martin will state.
"The Obama campaign also knew we were planning a lawsuit over his illegitimate birth. So they tried to use Obama's wife to do damage control. It was one of the most cowardly gestures in American political history."Jesse Jackson does not have to perform surgery. Obama is a 'girly man' who used his wife to ooze out the truth about his lies and his parents' lies.
What kind of a commander-in-chief would the cowardly Obama be?
Who would follow a leader into battle that was afraid to admit his parents were not married?"
Barack Obama, Senior, and Anne Dunham never married.
Obama knows this fact. This is also why he keeps his white grandmother a virtual prisoner; she knows too, and she won't lie."Through the past several decades Obama has pretended he 'didn't know' the facts about his illegitimate birth. He thought he could get away with the big lie. And he almost did get away with it. But we kept digging. And we are still digging. We have more to come."We plan two weeks of news conferences and other Obama-related disclosures.
The book was mailed to some Washington media last Friday, and Monday afternoon it will be delivered in Midtown to Fox News, MSNBC and others.
Demand for review copies has been so heavy we have already had to reorder. We expect the first truckload of Obama books to reach the warehouse early next week, depending on production schedules at the printer.
"The release of my book and attendant publicity has prompted Obama to panic. My book is the literary equivalent of a bone-jarring tackle in football, causing the ball carrier to fumble. Obama has been forced to drop the pretense his parents were married. It is time he told us the truth.
His parents were never married, he knew his parents were never married; he repeatedly lied about his lack of knowledge concerning his parents' non-marriage.
He should admit that is why he keeps his white grandmother virtually imprisoned and away from any media contact. He should beg the American people for forgiveness. Otherwise, his campaign is bakacht.
"If Obama had simply told the truth, the matter would probably be forgiven. But he repeatedly lies and pretends he 'doesn't know.' The cover-up is always worse than the crime. Jesse knows the truth. That is why Jackson has contempt for Obama."I criticized Obama for running a bogus campaign ad saying he grew up with a 'strong family and strong values.'
The whole commercial was a lie.
His father was a rake who never married his mother, and his mother showed abysmally poor judgment in being impregnated by a married man. Hardly a 'strong family' and certainly not 'strong values.' Quite the contrary. Shameful values is more like it.
"His mother was promiscuous and had a child out of wedlock, in 1961, when that was still scandalous behavior. Is this Obama's idea of 'family values?' Obviously, he has been deceiving the American people and hoping his advertising lies could overcome the truth.
He has failed.
http://hfdean.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-illigitmate-child-and-he-knew-it.html
beloved57
Oct 12 2008, 08:41 AM
QUOTE
His father was a rake who never married his mother, and his mother showed abysmally poor judgment in being impregnated by a married man. Hardly a 'strong family' and certainly not 'strong values.' Quite the contrary. Shameful values is more like it.
There are reports out that mccain beats his wife..what good american values..
Adam Weishaupt
Oct 12 2008, 08:44 AM
"Bastard-child" is such a low blow. I am no fan of Obama but to call him names like this is not God. Also, many precious people are illegitimate or do not even know who the father is because of the mothers sinful lifestyle or even rape. It is not Obama's fault who his parents were or what circumstances he may have been born in.
I do hope that some one can legally prove that he is not elligable to run for the office of president though.
Gideon7620
Oct 12 2008, 09:54 AM
QUOTE (Eli @ Oct 12 2008, 08:44 AM)

"Bastard-child" is such a low blow. I am no fan of Obama but to call him names like this is not God. Also, many precious people are illegitimate or do not even know who the father is because of the mothers sinful lifestyle or even rape. It is not Obama's fault who his parents were or what circumstances he may have been born in.
I do hope that some one can legally prove that he is not elligable to run for the office of president though.
I agree, His illegitamacy as an American is what concerns me more. I also do not care for his arrogancy. The man get under my skin; He would make a horable president in my opinion.
As far as McCain beating his wife; I find it hard to beleive, he cant even lift his arms up for that matter. I am sure she could beat the fire out of him if he ever tried.
Gideon7620
Oct 12 2008, 09:54 AM
QUOTE (Eli @ Oct 12 2008, 08:44 AM)

"Bastard-child" is such a low blow. I am no fan of Obama but to call him names like this is not God. Also, many precious people are illegitimate or do not even know who the father is because of the mothers sinful lifestyle or even rape. It is not Obama's fault who his parents were or what circumstances he may have been born in.
I do hope that some one can legally prove that he is not elligable to run for the office of president though.
I agree, His illegitamacy as an American is what concerns me more. I also do not care for his arrogancy. The man gets under my skin; He would make a horable president in my opinion.
As far as McCain beating his wife; I find it hard to beleive, he cant even lift his arms up for that matter. I am sure she could beat the fire out of him if he ever tried.
Larry/Maz
Oct 12 2008, 10:10 AM
I reported this post to the hierarchy of incredulity. It is a significant defoliation of Christian virtue. Christians are to be prayer warriors, not activists.
whirlwind
Oct 12 2008, 10:15 AM
QUOTE (Gideon7620 @ Oct 12 2008, 09:54 AM)

QUOTE (Eli @ Oct 12 2008, 08:44 AM)

"Bastard-child" is such a low blow. I am no fan of Obama but to call him names like this is not God. Also, many precious people are illegitimate or do not even know who the father is because of the mothers sinful lifestyle or even rape. It is not Obama's fault who his parents were or what circumstances he may have been born in.
I do hope that some one can legally prove that he is not elligable to run for the office of president though.
I agree, His illegitamacy as an American is what concerns me more. I also do not care for his arrogancy. The man gets under my skin; He would make a horable president in my opinion.
As far as McCain beating his wife; I find it hard to beleive,
he cant even lift his arms up for that matter. I am sure she could beat the fire out of him if he ever tried.
That is a terrific point. Beats his wife indeed!
Gideon7620
Oct 12 2008, 10:16 AM
QUOTE (Larry/Maz @ Oct 12 2008, 10:10 AM)

I reported this post to the hierarchy of incredulity. It is a significant defoliation of Christian virtue.
Jam 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
Gideon said. I am not sure that was necessary. My point is the fact that Obama may be a bastard son physically is not what disqualifies him from being a president. Him possibly not being an American born son is what concerns me more. Many great leaders were fatherless; yet this post I beleive has the right to express his or her opinion, my point. Turning him in to the Moderator was not necessary; he merely expressed his opinion, maybe not in the best way, but none the less, he did not offend me as to report him.
Gideon7620
Oct 12 2008, 10:19 AM
QUOTE (Larry/Maz @ Oct 12 2008, 10:10 AM)

I reported this post to the hierarchy of incredulity. It is a significant defoliation of Christian virtue. Christians are to be prayer warriors, not activists.

Gideon said true, but as an American citizen, we are to maintain the right to freedom of expression and press, as long as there are no vulgarities involved. Where do we draw the line? This person may not even be Christian for all we know. Even so if he or she were it does not constitute the right to surpress his or her's freedom of expression.
Larry/Maz
Oct 12 2008, 10:21 AM
QUOTE (Gideon7620 @ Oct 12 2008, 09:16 AM)

QUOTE (Larry/Maz @ Oct 12 2008, 10:10 AM)

I reported this post to the hierarchy of incredulity. It is a significant defoliation of Christian virtue.
Jam 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
Gideon said. I am not sure that was necessary. My point is the fact that Obama may be a bastard son physically is not what disqualifies him from being a president. Him possibly not being an American born son is what concerns me more. Many great leaders were fatherless; yet this post I beleive has the right to express his or her opinion, my point. Turning him in to the Moderator was not necessary; he merely expressed his opinion, maybe not in the best way, but none the less, he did not offend me as to report him.
Even John Mccain expressed great concern to his own supporters for resorting to such rhetoric and slander. He said he would not allow it. And this is not the place for low brow indignations. Christians are NOT to so indulge themselves. This thread is tantamount to calling down fire on a man in my books. We are to PRAY for our leaders and governments. We have great power in the behind the scenes outcome of events.
Marta
Oct 12 2008, 10:38 AM
Wow, this forum is really shoveling the --- now.
This is a disgrace and it is people like you who make Christians a mockery and hypcrotical.
Please delete this thread.
Such disgust!
MMarc
Oct 12 2008, 10:47 AM
What kind of a commander-in-chief would the cowardly Obama be?
Funny, Bush/Cheney were both draft dodgers, it's easy to send others to die, yeah real brave.
Disqualifying someone because he is a bastard?
This remind's me of the religious zealots who rejects anyone who was not born like them....
Sad attacking someone because of his birth, very sad...
beloved57
Oct 12 2008, 12:39 PM
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Oct 12 2008, 11:15 AM)

QUOTE (Gideon7620 @ Oct 12 2008, 09:54 AM)

QUOTE (Eli @ Oct 12 2008, 08:44 AM)

"Bastard-child" is such a low blow. I am no fan of Obama but to call him names like this is not God. Also, many precious people are illegitimate or do not even know who the father is because of the mothers sinful lifestyle or even rape. It is not Obama's fault who his parents were or what circumstances he may have been born in.
I do hope that some one can legally prove that he is not elligable to run for the office of president though.
I agree, His illegitamacy as an American is what concerns me more. I also do not care for his arrogancy. The man gets under my skin; He would make a horable president in my opinion.
As far as McCain beating his wife; I find it hard to beleive,
he cant even lift his arms up for that matter. I am sure she could beat the fire out of him if he ever tried.
That is a terrific point. Beats his wife indeed!
yes he jumps on her..he is a chump..
THE SEVEN THUNDERS
Oct 12 2008, 04:34 PM
It's funny how some people are offended by the Truth. Truth hurts, but Lies kill. I'm just posting the article, I didn't write it, so don't stone the messenger. But we need to know this Truth.
Marta
Oct 12 2008, 05:29 PM
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Oct 12 2008, 04:34 PM)

It's funny how some people are offended by the Truth. Truth hurts, but Lies kill. I'm just posting the article, I didn't write it, so don't stone the messenger. But be need to know this Truth.
Actually it is not funny at all. It is sick.
Sick how you try and connect yourself with Christian values and ethics and you post this crap?
What is wrong with you?
I have followed MANY of your posts and I have to say that you are simply here to stir the pot.
PERIOD.
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I ask the MODERATORS out of all due respect to please put this person on the list for further posting!!!!!!!!
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE A NEW LOW FOR THE FORUM.
This person here posting HATRED and FILTH in order to persuade people to their side is the last straw!
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PLEASE MODERATOR, DELETE THIS THREAD. THIS PERSON IS SICK AND FULL OF HATRED!
Josepha Cobbi
Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM
The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize.
But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.
That is what Jesus would do.
Marta
Oct 12 2008, 05:43 PM
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize.
But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.
That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!
What would Jesus do exactly?
I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!
You silly people and stupid too!
This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!
WHY?
Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!
WHY?
Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!
Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?
He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whirlwind
Oct 12 2008, 05:56 PM
QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 05:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize.
But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.
That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!
What would Jesus do exactly?
I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!
You silly people and stupid too!
This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!
WHY?
Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!
WHY?
Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!
Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?
He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seven explained that he didn't write the article....he posted it. Perhaps you should have a talk with Voice who is littering the forum with Obama garbage...written by the New York Times, rabbid Rabbi's, The anti-defamation league and John Kerry. Talk about un-Christian!
Larry/Maz
Oct 12 2008, 05:57 PM
QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 04:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize. But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!What would Jesus do exactly?I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!You silly people and stupid too! This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!WHY?Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!WHY?Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marta I have missed you. Welcome back under the unglad circumstances.
Marta
Oct 12 2008, 06:17 PM
QUOTE (Larry/Maz @ Oct 12 2008, 05:57 PM)

QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 04:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize. But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!What would Jesus do exactly?I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!You silly people and stupid too! This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!WHY?Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!WHY?Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marta I have missed you. Welcome back under the unglad circumstances.
Hey Larry good to hear from you!
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On another note, I was ADRESSING the TOPIC TITLE, but they will keep on ignoring the issue!!!!!!!
MY PROBLEM IS THAT; ALL THE SUDDEN: ABORTION IS AN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE WERE YOU EIGHT YEARS AGO? MUCH LESS FOUR YEARS AGO, WHERE WAS OUR PRESIDENT WHO STOOD AGAINST ABORTION????
WHERE WAS OUR PRESIDENT IN ALL THOSE EIGHT YEARS THAT ABORTION WAS GOING ON AND NOW ALL THE SUDDEN IT'S AN ISSUE!Let's please be honest with ourselves.
Do you understand at all what policies George W.Bush has made and how UN-CHRISTIAN he is? (I believe you need a REMINDER!)
PLEASE I BEG YOU TO WAKE UP!
Let's start another thread about George W. Bush's lovely policies about lives of Americans and many civilians, AND...........the ABORTION ISSUE!
Bring it up with the so called idiot that America has as a President!
HE HAS HAD EIGHT YEARS!!!!!!
THEY HAVE ALL BEEN FOR HIS PERSONAL GAIN!
taltimbr
Oct 12 2008, 06:33 PM
QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 07:17 PM)

QUOTE (Larry/Maz @ Oct 12 2008, 05:57 PM)

QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 04:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize. But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!What would Jesus do exactly?I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!You silly people and stupid too! This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!WHY?Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!WHY?Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marta I have missed you. Welcome back under the unglad circumstances.
Hey Larry good to hear from you!
****************************
On another note, I was ADRESSING the TOPIC TITLE, but they will keep on ignoring the issue!!!!!!!
MY PROBLEM IS THAT; ALL THE SUDDEN: ABORTION IS AN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE WERE YOU EIGHT YEARS AGO? MUCH LESS FOUR YEARS AGO, WHERE WAS OUR PRESIDENT WHO STOOD AGAINST ABORTION????
WHERE WAS OUR PRESIDENT IN ALL THOSE EIGHT YEARS THAT ABORTION WAS GOING ON AND NOW ALL THE SUDDEN IT'S AN ISSUE!Let's please be honest with ourselves.
Do you understand at all what policies George W.Bush has made and how UN-CHRISTIAN he is? (I believe you need a REMINDER!)
PLEASE I BEG YOU TO WAKE UP!
Let's start another thread about George W. Bush's lovely policies about lives of Americans and many civilians, AND...........the ABORTION ISSUE!
Bring it up with the so called idiot that America has as a President!
HE HAS HAD EIGHT YEARS!!!!!!
THEY HAVE ALL BEEN FOR HIS PERSONAL GAIN!
The truth of the matter there's not ONE president or primeminister that would move to abolish abortion because it would be political suicide.
Leaders do what they feel most people in their country want. Can you imagine Harper or Dion or Obama or McCain running on a platform that
would make abortion illegal?
This is why i feel in my spirit that it is wrong for Christians to become activists for a political party. The church should be busy with the great
commission Christ left for believers to do.. present the gospel and God's grace to others who otherwise would be lost.
taltimbr.
Larry/Maz
Oct 12 2008, 06:39 PM
QUOTE (taltimbr @ Oct 12 2008, 05:33 PM)

The truth of the matter there's not ONE president or prime minister that would move to abolish abortion because it would be political suicide. Leaders do what they feel most people in their country want. Can you imagine Harper or Dion or Obama or McCain running on a platform that would make abortion illegal? This is why i feel in my spirit that it is wrong for Christians to become activists for a political party. The church should be busy with the great commission Christ left for believers to do.. present the gospel and God's grace to others who otherwise would be lost.

taltimbr.
Good call tall....
QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Oct 12 2008, 03:34 PM)

It's funny how some people are offended by the Truth. Truth hurts, but Lies kill. I'm just posting the article, I didn't write it, so don't stone the messenger. But be need to know this Truth.
Is it truth to denigrate a man for being born to parents out of his control? Seems to me there are a lot of people who were "bastards" that made good in life. At least he was not dodging a coat hanger. Maybe he is queer too....he has to be to be antichrist. I should expect someone who has the big act to be the big act not a big axe in lieu. You wouldn't cross post a porn link so why cross post this tripe?
Marta
Oct 12 2008, 06:46 PM
QUOTE (taltimbr @ Oct 12 2008, 06:33 PM)

QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 07:17 PM)

QUOTE (Larry/Maz @ Oct 12 2008, 05:57 PM)

QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 04:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize. But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!What would Jesus do exactly?I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!You silly people and stupid too! This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!WHY?Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!WHY?Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marta I have missed you. Welcome back under the unglad circumstances.
Hey Larry good to hear from you!
****************************
On another note, I was ADRESSING the TOPIC TITLE, but they will keep on ignoring the issue!!!!!!!
MY PROBLEM IS THAT; ALL THE SUDDEN: ABORTION IS AN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE WERE YOU EIGHT YEARS AGO? MUCH LESS FOUR YEARS AGO, WHERE WAS OUR PRESIDENT WHO STOOD AGAINST ABORTION????
WHERE WAS OUR PRESIDENT IN ALL THOSE EIGHT YEARS THAT ABORTION WAS GOING ON AND NOW ALL THE SUDDEN IT'S AN ISSUE!Let's please be honest with ourselves.
Do you understand at all what policies George W.Bush has made and how UN-CHRISTIAN he is? (I believe you need a REMINDER!)
PLEASE I BEG YOU TO WAKE UP!
Let's start another thread about George W. Bush's lovely policies about lives of Americans and many civilians, AND...........the ABORTION ISSUE!
Bring it up with the so called idiot that America has as a President!
HE HAS HAD EIGHT YEARS!!!!!!
THEY HAVE ALL BEEN FOR HIS PERSONAL GAIN!
The truth of the matter there's not ONE president or primeminister that would move to abolish abortion because it would be political suicide.
Leaders do what they feel most people in their country want. Can you imagine Harper or Dion or Obama or McCain running on a platform that
would make abortion illegal?
This is why i feel in my spirit that it is wrong for Christians to become activists for a political party. The church should be busy with the great
commission Christ left for believers to do.. present the gospel and God's grace to others who otherwise would be lost.
taltimbr.
I agree, so back to the issue,
WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE AGAINST ABORTION??????????
He got your vote and that is all he cared about. Besides, him being the governer of Texas? Look at his record and how many men he put to death which actually costs the taxpayers more money?
I oppose abortion as do many of you! But let's look at the facts and the lies that we are fed by these people!
"Bush tries to avoid the issue of abortion as much as possible... But the statements Bush has made sound very much like 'I'm personally opposed to abortion, but I don't believe in forcing my morality on anyone else'—in other words, pro-choice."
Margaret Sykes, About.com Pro-Choice Views in George W: Weaseling on Abortion" http://austin.about.com/cs/georgewbush/l/aa012100h.htmYou are playing blind and dumb! Just get to the facts will you?
Larry/Maz
Oct 12 2008, 06:49 PM
One can see the flaring nostrils in these posts that are like bull boards along the highway. An eye doctor could use these for eye exams from across the room.
peacemaker
Oct 12 2008, 08:12 PM
the seven thunders....I was kind of shocked you would find it right to post this, even at the feeling there was a need to just so others know. I didnt know about it, but really, there is enought out there, for those that are strong in their thought to know that he should be our next Prz. I dont post this to be mean, but it was a lack of class, to post this. Just think, how many times must Jesus have been massed over by others on this, because of Mary conseaving him befor she married Jospeph, Bastard-child would have been something hung over OUR LORD. We know the truth about this...and deep down I have faith to know you do to.
I anything I would have posted the address, as something that others should know, but not in the flawnting of His Mothers, and Fathers sins. Each one of our Prz in the past are loaded down with sins, many! but I find it more trashy to bring those things up than to just state what is the real truth, and let that stand as what needs to be looked at. There isnt anything in the call to be a prz, that would state if you are a basterd that you than cant be prz. mmmmmmm Freedom to post, ya, freedow to be LESS THAN a MAN OF HONOR, not an opiontion!
I believe brother you are wrong to post others wrongs as this, If it was something that G-d would have wanted to us to know, it would have come by us in a more honorable manor. Leaves one feeling a little dirty!
But......I love you anyways!
Josepha Cobbi
Oct 12 2008, 08:16 PM
I withdraw from this discussion, as I have a hard time with these capslock and big bold lettering in ANGER.
When I made a remark about forgiveness, it was called irrelevant...
Well, to God forgiveness is not irrelevant.
happy2Bfree
Oct 12 2008, 08:22 PM
QUOTE (Eli @ Oct 12 2008, 08:44 AM)

"Bastard-child" is such a low blow. I am no fan of Obama but to call him names like this is not God. Also, many precious people are illegitimate or do not even know who the father is because of the mothers sinful lifestyle or even rape. It is not Obama's fault who his parents were or what circumstances he may have been born in.
I do hope that some one can legally prove that he is not elligable to run for the office of president though.
I never noticed this thread until now. I don't like Obama either....but the title of this thread has to be the lowest remark ever.
To be honest....the title of the thread is offensive to me.
signet
Oct 12 2008, 08:25 PM
well, i guess you could say that we are all born bastards...until adopted into
the family of God, so be careful of cursing that what God has blessed. we only
see things from our point of view and it is not God's point of view...
walking in humility and telling the truth is done prayerfully lest a greater thing
befall us...and it will.
if in your heart you believe the man or woman is not saved, pray fervently
that they meet their salvation in Yeshua, as they may be ruling in this world
soon. there are no favorites with God, and He does know the beginning from the end.
Gideon7620
Oct 12 2008, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 05:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize.
But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.
That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!
What would Jesus do exactly?
I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!
You silly people and stupid too!
This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!
WHY?
Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!
WHY?
Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!
Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?
He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gideon said, Great point. I am sure Jesus would never do something as such or is even capable of such. That is a true statement. THe problem is we are not Jesus. We are not sinless and from time to time, we all do things that are distasteful.
But we must learn to forgive and forget. As I said before, it was distasteful, but it did not offend me to the point where I felt, I had to go tattle tale on him. I am not sure it would make a difference to go rat him out. He did nothing illegal or vulgar. I would have certainly preferred he talked about his illegitamacy as a US Citizen instead. Though I KNOW something about Barac that I did not know before. It does not change my opinion, I still think he would make a terrible president; my opinion for him has grown neighther worse or better as a result of seven's post.
peacemaker
Oct 12 2008, 11:39 PM
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 08:16 PM)

I withdraw from this discussion, as I have a hard time with these capslock and big bold lettering in ANGER.
When I made a remark about forgiveness, it was called irrelevant...
Well, to God forgiveness is not irrelevant.
True! It is not. Try not to let the way type letters are to up set you. You will find it many times here, for we arent perfact, even though we are making our goal to be more christ-like everyday, not one is able to do it 100% of the time! Not one!
Hugs brother!
peacemaker
Oct 12 2008, 11:41 PM
QUOTE (signet @ Oct 12 2008, 08:25 PM)

well, i guess you could say that we are all born bastards...until adopted into
the family of God, so be careful of cursing that what God has blessed. we only
see things from our point of view and it is not God's point of view...
walking in humility and telling the truth is done prayerfully lest a greater thing
befall us...and it will.
if in your heart you believe the man or woman is not saved, pray fervently
that they meet their salvation in Yeshua, as they may be ruling in this world
soon. there are no favorites with God, and He does know the beginning from the end.
OOOMMMM....so true, we are unit adopted, we have a wonderful loveing Father, the best ever!
THE SEVEN THUNDERS
Oct 13 2008, 02:50 AM
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Oct 12 2008, 06:56 PM)

QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 05:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize.
But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.
That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!
What would Jesus do exactly?
I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!
You silly people and stupid too!
This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!
WHY?
Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!
WHY?
Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!
Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?
He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seven explained that he didn't write the article....he posted it. Perhaps you should have a talk with Voice who is littering the forum with Obama garbage...written by the New York Times, rabbid Rabbi's, The anti-defamation league and John Kerry. Talk about un-Christian!

Thank you Whirlwind.
You would think rational adult people would know that the word "bastard" means "illegitimate child". That is the term used. It has been used for centuries. Are we adults or toddlers? Only a delusional generation wants things candy-coated and made pleasant and sweet sounding to the ear.
The word "bastard" appears three times in the King James Version of the Bible. In Deuteronomy 23:2 and Zechariah 9:6 the Hebrew word is "mamzer." While that word in Yiddish does sometimes mean an "illegitimate child," the word itself means "mixed." The passages would make equal sense if it is taken to mean a child of a marriage between a Jew and one of the nations the Jews were forbidden to marry. In fact, in Deuteronomy that fits the context best:
"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever."
The other use of the word is in Hebrews 12:8. The whole context is as follows:
"And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?" (Heb. 12:5-9)
The clear meaning of the term here is one who is not the legitimate son of a father. This is what we generally think of when we use the term today. Hence, this is Obama.
Some people need to grow up and get real, instead of hiding behind the holier-than-thou crap.
SOURCE: http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/mamzer.html
researcher
Oct 13 2008, 04:04 AM
QUOTE (Marta @ Oct 12 2008, 02:43 PM)

QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Oct 12 2008, 05:35 PM)

The taste of this thread is bad, and I am sure that 7 will realize this and apologize.
But I have come to know 7 as a respectable member of the forum, and I advice leniency on someone who stumbles, instead of diminishing the church.
That is what Jesus would do.
IRRELEVANT!
What would Jesus do exactly?
I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WHAT A 'BASTARD CHILD BARACK IS'!
You silly people and stupid too!
This person is putting filth out there; and it was simply the TITLE that brought me to post something after not being here for a while!
WHY?
Because it is so hateful that I don't want to be identified with this spewing of hate!
WHY?
Tell me, what has GEORGE W. BUSH done in the EIGHT YEARS HE HAS HAD IN OFFICE AGAINST ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't an issue!!!!!!!!
Now all the sudden it's an ISSUE, come election time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP AND POST FOR ME, WHAT HAS GEORGE W. BUSH DONE FOR ABORTION?
He has turned his back on the our nation a long time ago and you still support this TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
I believe the Supreme Court is the branch that deemed abortion constitutional. In order for the President, or, the Legislative branch to overturn the court, they would need a Constitutional amendment with 2/3's of the states ratifying. With polls showing that the majority of citizens want abortion legal in some form, any attempt to overturn the court with an amendment would most likely fail miserably as the representatives would not vote against their constituents and run the risk of losing their seats in the House or Senate.
I think Bush did what he could politically. He appointed two conservatives to the court, and pushed for abstinence only programs etc. With one more conservative, the court would most likely have enough pro-life members to overturn R-v-Wade. I believe they halted the Federal government from paying for federal employee's abortions also.
There's only so much a President can do in these cases. It's the way the system was set up with its checks and balances.
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