without going into detail, it is my belief that the catastrophic events of the sixth seal are the next in line for planet earth.

john's description of the sixth seal seems to suggest what is known as a "geographical pole shift" - an immense cataclysm which would undoubtedly result in enormous devastation.

the bible says that this wrath will come unexpectedly upon humanity, as a thief in the night. paul says it will come upon them as "labor pains, and they shall not escape".

because this horrible wrath is imminent, so is the rapture of the church. the forcible catching away of christians will most likely occur immediately before the cataclysm of the sixth seal.

this seems to indeed be biblical, as the next chapters after the description of the sixth seal depict an "innumerable multitude standing in front of the throne and the Lamb" (revelation 7:9).

"Pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and to stand before Son of Man" (luke 21:36)

it is obvious that the "new agers" will attempt to explain this event away: either that these individuals died in the devastation of the pole shift, or were "evacuated" by our "friendly space brothers".

this would all be nothing more than deception, of course. in reality, god's angels (the "harvesters") will have taken all true believers (the "wheat") to the glorious celestial abode jesus has been preparing them (the "barn").

chuck missler explains this very well:


i realize this sounds extremely conspiratorial, or to some even "unchristian", but we should not rule out the possibility that the united states government, among others, are aware of the impending cataclysm (the pole shift described in the sixth seal). they may very well "stage" the upcoming terrorist attack. the reason they would do such a thing is because they want this country to be locked down and under control, via martial law, before these natural disasters begin transpiring. this would also seem to explain the plethora of "FEMA camps" that are in existence.

there will undoubtedly be those with predisposed opinions and convictions who will not agree with some of the things that i have mentioned, and that is certainly fine. for those, i would ask to read the following quote:

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation.” - Edmund Spencer

one thing i hope we can all agree on as christians is that this world is going to change drastically very, very soon. most likely, the next terrorist attack, the upcoming world war ("gog-magog"), or both, will be the catalyst for the implementation of martial law in the united states. as preposterous as it may sound, we may very well see these things begin transpiring in the next month. the government seems to be preparing for such circumstances.

we need to make sure we are truly saved - that we truly have oil (the holy spirit) in our lamps (bodies), so that we will be prepared for whatever happens.

take care.

I don't think it would be too far fetch to see the Rapture happen simultaneously with the "disclosure" and possibly appearance of "spaceships" which would be explained to the world that we Christians were abducted by ETs, when I first study and learned about the Rapture I always wondered how the world would explain so many people disappearing, what better scenario than to fool the masses by saying that the little gray men did it!

Numbers 13-14 tell of Moses sending spies into the promised land.

10 spies came back telling of the size of the inhabitants of the land.
10 spies made the people fearful.

2 came back telling of how good and fertile the land was.
2 spies emphasized the great opportunity God had given them.

10 spies got God's disapproval.
2 spies got God's blessing.

The Revelation enables us to "spy out" the future.

Some "spys" will emphasize how "terrible" it will be when the "beast" reigns.
Thier cry is "oh Lord, get us out of here, "rapture" us before these terrible
"beast" hurt your precious darling children."

Other spies will focus on the EXCEEDINGLY WONDERFUL
opportunity and promise the Revelation lays before us.

TO REIGN WITH CHRIST !!

thats as good as it gets ! [for those who are

"victorious OVER the beast".

saints plainly here on earth during the reign of the beast]

Rev 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded
because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and
those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and
had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and
they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5 The rest of the dead did not come to life
until the thousand years were completed.
This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection;
over these the second death has no power,
but they will be priests of God and of Christ and
will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Let me begin by saying that honestly I can't recall if ive ever heard or in that matter looked into the subject of a Geographical Pole Shift.
However after reading this information I would like to share this dream I had, and that I had previously posted.
I do believe that something will occur soon, and I pray that I am honoring the The Lord Jesus Christ because only He should recieve all Glory and Honor.
I also would like to say to everyone who reads this post that I in no way made it up. This dream I truly did have, I have many dreams but I can't recall one which I could say this is from the Lord, but I do believe this one was. The following dream was on Sept 24,2008. Which I had previously posted.

Hey guys let me tell you of a dream I had Yesterday.
Sorry im cutting in and you guys don't have to respond but man it was awsome!

I was telling everyone that the Lord was coming and I knew I was not the only one, I knew others were doing it also, but somehow I knew that I couldn't take credit for it. (nor anyone else for that matter).

Anyway I was in the middle of a field and I saw what was a stick or rod coming out of the ground and around it I saw like swirls (picture a lollypop).
There were others there also and we all knew that something was about to happen because the sunlight was approaching it. As the sun was getting near it the rod would bend when sun light would hit it, then it would go back straight up once it wouldn't hit it.
Finally the sun hit it's target and Boom.
And I do mean Boom even thou we were expecting something to happen, It was just to quick and really caught us off guard.
The next thing I knew I was in a car and others were in there also and at the same time the WORLD WAS SPINING while we were in the car.

Anyway I yelled out pray to Jesus and everyone had the same reaction because we were all praying out loud. I remember saying Jesus im sorry I didn't serve you as I should have and im sorry when I let you down at times, Lord Jesus you know I love you. Then I saw Jesus and He was holding His arms open and had a smile on His face. I felt real safe but could feel the world spining fast.
I also at the same time, How I don't know but was seeing the World spining fast from space.
I knew everyone in the world was experiencing something no one was immune to what was going on.

Let me also clarify that when the world started spining it did not start slow and then speed up it was spining fast from start to finish and when it stopped, came to a complete halt just as it had started.

Once it stopped I was with other people and I asked them (yelling) tell me something just happened, and everyone there was real happy and they were all yelling it did, it did. Everyone was praising God.

Then I was immidiately taken to another seen I was with my father and I asked him did you feel that and he responded, "Something happened but im not sure what it was". I was in unbelief that he didn't understand that something very important had just occured.

But just as I had that thought, the scene changed.

I was what looked like a news room and I noticed people were crying, but then they would control themselves and start crying again.
This is also strange at this time I was there but not one of them, i knew I wasn't going thru what they were going thru.
I noticed one man in particular and I believe he was the weather man because he would cry out," How am I gonna expalin the weather, I noticed it was suppose to be hot and sunny for the next few days, yet it was cool.
Anyway he also could hear me I think because I started saying we told you Jesus was coming and thru tears he'd respond I know I know,
I then said you need to confess Jesus and believe in your heart and tell others and he said, "I know, I know". Then I said lets pray and eveyone there in the news room started getting on there knees they were coming from other rooms and my dad was there.

As they were praying I also was going to kneel but I couldn't and I felt the Lord lead me to walk thru there midst with my hands held up and praying for them but I was crying so hard and with so much hurt for them that my prayers were all tears but God understood them.
As I was praying I noticed they started standing up and they had a smile on there face, my father was one of them and a heavy burden had been lifted off them it was very noticeable.
However just as they were starting to walk around they new that they had to be very careful not to make it noticeable.

Then I was in another seen just like that,
I was in a line and the people there were waiting for a bus and someone in the front of the line said, Yea I think something happened that day but im not sure. I couldn't believe it they really weren't intrested, and as I was standing there I noticed that my hair was real long and I bent down and started washing it, it was full of soap. When the bus got there eveyone got on and a girl asked aren't you gonna get on and I said, "No I need to go wash my hair." (I can't figure out what the long hair with the soap meant).
However I don't think they were gonna turn to the Lord, and were just gonna go on with life as if everything was normal.

Then I was in a store and in the store I noticed there was plenty of food to sell but I knew it was not gonna last. The girl that was at the store was my sister but she was alot younger. I know my sister has recently turned to the Lord and has been on fire for the Lord so I am not worried however i'll still keep her in prayer.
Also I knew that a little over three years was left for the food.
At that time my sister was walking toward me and I said, I told you Jesus was coming..
She said, "I know and soon i'll see mom," but as she was talking she was crying and crying alot and smiling because she new everything was gonna be alright however during all this time her face was getting bruised real bad as if she would have to endure something heavy but it would be ok, because soon she would also be with my mom. My mother passed away last year and she had Christ in her life.

Then I woke up and I couldn't go back to sleep.
Everything felt so real and I felt I had to share it with everyone.
God Bless Everyone!
Listen I hope I get to meet all of you guys in heaven.

Do Christians need to be warned? In Hebrews there are warnings. In the world there are concerns.

"By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, reverently prepared an ark to save his family, and by faith he condemned the world and inherited the righteousness that comes by faith." [heb 11:7]

god is currently attempting to open they eyes of humanity regarding the coming times. many christians are being "warned about things not yet seen", therefore obediently making sure their spiritual arks are built. additionally, similar to naoh, they are obediently warning others of the impending "flood".

unfortunately, there are many professing christians who believe they have a substantial spiritual ark constructed. that is, they falsely believe themselves prepared for the coming times. in reality, all they have built is a mere spiritual tugboat which will ultimately be unable to withstand the coming events.

it may sound like a preposterous statement to some, but this world is about to experience the beginning stages of the end of the age. those currently not convinced will be rather soon. "warnings" will no longer be necessary.

But Chuck Missler does not substantiate why he postulates that the Rapture of the Church will come BEFORE the fake rapture of the alien evacuation (if it's the reverse chronology, then people will be deceived)... how do we know it's not the other way around, that the fake rapture will come BEFORE the True Rapture? This seems to make a lot more sense because this would snatch FAITH off the face of the Earth, as Christ asked that when He returns will He find LITTLE FAITH? Naturally, if the fake rapture of the alien evacuation occurred FIRST and the Believers are left behind, then they will loose their FAITH "BEFORE" Christ, the Bridegroom, returns. Additionally, this scenario would fit the "VOMITING OUT OF THE LUKEWARMERS", for perhaps the fake alien rapture will actually serve God's purpose to abort the TARES and LUKEWARMERS, who “desire the Day of the Lord”, for which Amos warned that for them “it is not a day of light, but a day of darkness.” Hence, the alien rapture will transport these people who feasted from the table of two masters to the "OUTER DARKNESS".



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It is interesting how the Bible records those that were taken away in the flood:

Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

If the first "took them all away" is bad, as in the flood of judgment, what makes anyone think that the next two "taken(s)" are a good thing? It sounds like the one left is in better shape.

For this reason, I really doubt that this can be a passage favoring a pre-trib rapture.

Given this, of what nature is this particular coming of the Son of Man? Could it be the epiphaneia appearance of Christ in his (true) saints that some people refer to as the man-child? Will Christ come IN his people before he comes FOR his people? (I can picture Moses coming down the mountain in glowing radiance after just having been in the presence of God.)

Perhaps it won't be "the aliens took them," but "the aliens have landed and taken over these people."

I cannot say either way. I am merely pondering the possibility.

In Christ,

Mike

P.S. I just had a thought while submitting this post. What if this "coming of the Son of Man" is not referring to a single date at all, but instead referring to a period of time, i.e. tribulation perhaps, where things are being concluded in the world and Christ is "on his way" in a sense. It would be akin to the friends of the bride/bridegroom looking down the road and seeing the groom on his way, then exclaiming, "He's coming, bride, he's coming!" We can read about it in the "Revelation of Jesus Christ."

I agree, Bonomike...

Additionally, Noah, the eight, where LEFT BEHIND in the MIDST of the Flood and were PROTECTED by God... the Hebrews of Goshen were LEFT in the MIDST of the plagues against Egypt and were PROTECTED by God.

I think the Jerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye series LEFT BEHIND is a deception (one clue is that it has turned into a commercial cash cow). It has conditioned people to believe a LIE.

Remember the scripture of the 2 men in the same bed and one is taken up? That scripture always bothered me, for clearly they are homosexuals, 2 men in bed. I thought why would a sinful homosexual be taken up if people believe that this scripture is part of the Pre-Trib Rapture? Then I realized that the man taken up is a Lukewarm Christian struggling with homosexuality and engaged in sin, feasting from the table of two masters. The other man left behind is just a heathen homosexual, non-Christian. God judges His House first. So it is the Righteous and the Heathen (who are to be judged last) that are LEFT BEHIND, and it is the Lukewarm Christians who are vomited out during the DELUSION that Christ said He would send for them to believe a LIE, because Christ is not their FIRST LOVE. And that DELUSION is the alien rapture evacuation, which Jerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye are promoting.


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my intention with this thread is not to debate the rapture, but rather to warn my fellow believers regarding the coming times.

i'm simply sharing, with the knowledge that it will undoubtedly be refuted by many, the things which i believe god has revealed to me.

i truly do believe christians in the industrialized nations will go through many hard times before god's angels come. the easy life as we have known in america and elsewhere will soon be gone. the current economic crisis in the world is most likely indicative that we are now entering the beginning stages.

let me just say that through my research, i have discerned that there is going to be a geographical pole shift very soon, most likely some time in 2009. john's description of the sixth seal suggests a pole shift. additionally, there are "new age" channelers who have been receiving messages from our "friendly space brothers" saying there is an impending pole shift where an "evacuation" will be necessary. i am merely putting the puzzle pieces together. call me crazy, but i do not think this is all a coincidence. if anything, this is not something we as christians should simply disregard.

in addition, i have recently discovered more possible "evidence" to support such a theory. i'm sure you have all heard about the "web bot project". well here is one of their 'predictions', i guess you could say, regarding the future:



so in 2009, the year which i have believed for quite some time that a pole shift is going to occur, there are going to be "disappearances", where extraterrestrials will be related to the event. simply amazing if you ask me.

in conclusion, yes, the entire world is about to undergo some very difficult times. according to jesus, the coming gog-magog war will create an unprecedented period of human turmoil. then he says after the tribulation of those days caused by the war, the events of the sixth seal will transpire ("sun will turn black, stars fall to sky", etc). before the events of the sixth seal transpire - that is, the pole shift - the harvesters will come and take the wheat into the barn.

i hope we can all agree that we are about to enter some difficult times - possibly lasting as long as a year in length. but then we should lift our heads up, because our redemption will surely be drawing near.

take care

Immortality,
Listening to new-age channelers and using a computer program as method of divination, has most clearly affected you.
Then "puzzling" it all together?

With permission, it is now obvious that perilous times are ahead, and since this is clear for everyone, making such a statement is what I would call -kicking in an open door-.

I will pray for you that you will replace these sources not-of-God with the Word.

Am I understanding you correctly that you now have realized in your heart that the rapture is pre-trib?

................................................benny

from the initial post:

"it is obvious that the "new agers" will attempt to explain this event away: either that these individuals died in the devastation of the pole shift, or were "evacuated" by our "friendly space brothers".

this would all be nothing more than deception, of course. in reality, god's angels (the "harvesters") will have taken all true believers (the "wheat") to the glorious celestial abode jesus has been preparing them (the "barn")."

indeed, what the new agers say is predominantly deception. however, those with spiritual discernment are able to detect pieces of truth in what they have to say. as a matter of fact, this is what makes their deceptive agenda so effective.

perhaps the following article will help clear up any confusion you have:

The Rapture: A New Age Interpretation




i suppose my belief is more "prewrath". i think it's a good possiblity that the events of the sixth seal, or the wrath of god, will commence the "great tribulation".

some may have a difficult time accepting this, but i believe the horseman of revelation do not describe specific events, past or future, but are to be interpreted in a general sense.

they represent the (1) spirit of apostate religious domination in the name of jesus (2) spirit of violence, torture and bloodshed (3) spirit of financial bondage/oppression and (4) the spirit of death, disease and famine.

the fifth seal represents all of those who have died and are continuing to be put to death for the sake of jesus. their souls are currently crying out to the lord to avenge their blood, which he will surely do when the judgment of the sixth seal is unleashed in the very near future.

take care

So you say that you do not trust the contents of what new-agers say, but you take their timetable for granted?
Makes no sense to me, I do not even visit ocult sources.

Or can you prove that the enemy will not try to mess with the time?

knowing that there would undoubtedly be many objections, i initially intended not to respond to any replies to my post, but to rather just present my "insight" and let it be. therefore i am going to now bow out.

if god wants to open anyone's eyes through my post then i suppose they will indeed be opened. i am no prophet, either - just a wretched piece of dust with the holy spirit in me, teaching me all things and informing me of what is to come.

best regards

Thank you Immortality for your insight and for telling us.