I'm gonna play the "devils Advocate" for a moment. What is my ultimate goal, what am I after?

[/indent] I want to be worshipped and praised AS GOD! I want to Sit upon the mount of the congregation, Where Jesus sits. I want to be the "head" over the "body of Christ". I don't care what it takes to get to this point, I will do it.

When I was In the wilderness with Jesus, I quoted Scripture to Him, trying to temp Him, and Make him Follow me. I know the word of God!! Is a servant above His master? I will try to contort the word of God, and use it to my benefit.

When I come on the world scene, timing will be crucial. I will come at a time, Both Jew and Christian would be expecting the return of the Real Messiah. It will be at a time the world will think they are on the brink of destruction. I will come in as an angel of Light.

Just as Jesus does when He sets up his kingdom, I will divide the land for Gain, and give it to those who will be co-rulers with me. This will be my Bride. Those that are decieved into accepting me AS GOD, will not realize it, but they didn't patiently wait for the real bridegroom. They have "prostituted themselves" and Have become the great whore. I don't care, as Long as they worship me. I will come in peacably, because I will come in as the Prince of Peace. I will have a marriage supper, as I establish my 1000 year millineal reign on earth, Just as "my" word said I would. [indent]

As I establish my Kingdom, I will proclaim all to "come and recieve the "mark" of the true and Living God, so when I pass Judgement on those Unbelievers, no Harm will come to you. Father, shall turn on Son, And DAughter on Her Mother. Only my "sheep" will enter into my kingdom. If any quetion my "mark" I will just point to "my word" and explpain to them that it was prophesied to happen. They don't know the difference, because they don't know the Word of God!! I will use the decieved, to hunt down those who know who I truly am! They will kill for me, and they will think they are doing the Lord's work! What Fools!!

A believer in Jesus christ who knows the scriptures would not be fooled by you

Most earth dwellers would be vulnerable to your game

You would also most likely attract the adherents of Islam as your core following

Your primary objective would be to destroy all humans in one way or another during the period

Up until now, I have fed those "believers" in Christ the Perfect Lie!! They all think that they will be taken out before anything occurs, Because of this, many of them don't even bother to study God's word!!! Do you really think I am coming to decieve a bunch of Unbelievers, those who I have in my back pocket already? I want to be Worshipped!!! I want to be Headship over the congregation! Don't you get it? Isn't that what caused my rebellion in the first place?? I'm not concerned about the Heathen! I am coming to seduce the Bride of Christ away for My own! Isn't this time called the "hour of temptation?" Don't you know the Word of God!! Doesn't it say, that if it were possable, even the elect will be decieved?? Didn't Jesus state, that He will come in an hour that you "THINK NOT"? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WILL BE LOOKING FOR THE RETURN OF THE REAL MESSIAH, IF THEY THOUGHT HE IS ALREADY HERE! We will be eating and drinking, Marrying and giving in Marriage, because I will give a marriage Supper they will not forget!!!!

I think your feeding here is your own post-tribulational view of the prophetic visions. You are presumptious in your thought. I would say just the opposite is the case. Satan is deceiving by attracting away from the truth regarding the Lord's intent to keep living believers from His coming judgment. Satan is doing a bang up job with his invasion of the professing Church. He knows that if he can lure the unlearned and unsuspecting into the time frame of the Lord's wrath that his chances of deceiving and destroying them will be much greater. Keep in mind that those who worship his beast will do so because they want to. Those who become believers during the tribulation period will not and they will be killed for their faith. Your view does not hold up to this truth presented in Revelation.

Let me reply to your obsevations point by point. You State that You think that what I am "feeding Here is my own "post tribulation" view of the prophetic visions. ANd I am presumptious in my thought. I assume that what you are alluding to, is a "post tribulatioal view" of the rapture. That is the farthest thing from what I am trying to establish. I am not not trying to "disprove" anothers doctrine, although, I do see that this Prophetical perception of what is actually occuring does exactly that. That is not my intent. My main objective is to share with my Brothers and Sisters in Christ, this "prophetic perception" of end time events, which is a perception, I have yet seen to be revealed. You can accept it, you can reject it, that's your option. As for being presumptious in my thought, I am not. All I am doing is trying to bring to light the "undercurrents" and "motivating factors" Behind events when they occur. Am I changing the events, No. I am just giving a "different perspective" of the event as it happens, through the eyes of those involved in the event. The biggest mistake one can make is to try to discern Prophecy through our own eyes. A perfect example of this are those who hide themselves From God in the sixth seal, and proclaim it is the Day of the Lord. They are drawing conclusions through their own eyes, instead of through the Eyes of the Lord, (His word) when the event occurs. Perception of events in the Last days will Save you or brake you!

[/indent] You state that "satan is decieving by attracking away from the truth reguarding the Lord's intent to keep living believers from His coming Judgement.. This is the exact point I am making!!

You state that Satan is doing a bang up Job of with his invasion of the proffessing Church, He knows that if he can Lure the unlearned and unsuspecting into the time frame of the Lord's wrath, that his chances of Decieving and destroying is much greater. What Satan does to the Church, and what the Lotd will do following are two totally different objectives. Satan will not have the ability to decieve anymore when the wrath of the Lord is being poured out. The Lord's wrath is destined for those who have already swore allegience with Him. You are confusing Two differnt time frames, that the Lord deals with Two different groups of People.

You state that "those who will worship the beast, will do so because they want to.. Exactly, and How do you expect Satan to pull this off, if He doesn't come on the scene as the Prince Of peace?

You state that "those "who become believers in the tribulation period, will not worship Him, and be Killed for their FAith. This is partly true. But it will be for all Believers, not Just the ones He confirms the covenant with in the final seven years. To draw the conclusion that it is Just "tribulation saints" is pure assumption.[indent]

You state that "my view doesn't "hold up" to the truth presented in Revelation." I beg to differ. It just doesn't Hold up to what YOU HAVE ACCEPTED AS TRUE, and your perception of Revelation. I understand one's reluctance to consider what I am sharing as truth, because of what one has already supposedly accepted and Learned. It leaves a very "vunerable feeling" ones "Gut" After realizing howdeceptive our adveresary is, and how we almost fell for it!!! If there is one "perspective" that doesn't "hold Muster" to Revelation, it is the Concurrent viewpoint. One first has to deny the Progressiveness of the Seals, Trumpets, and vials of God. One also has to deny the Progressive nature of the destruction that Happens through Revelation. If they are concurrent then Why do we witness ony 1/4 effected in the seals, 1/3 effected in the Trumpets, and ALL EFFECTED IN THE VIALS OF THE WRATH OF God. One has to knowing turn a blind eye to this, to establish a doctrine one feels is more important than what the word of God actually states.

Revelation's unfolding can be understood and that is why it is a revelation. I do see pre-conception in your view that does not fit in my opinion. However, I do agree that Revelation is a revolving an progressive account of the tribulation period and beyond after the seals are removed (chapters 6 and 8) and the scroll of the tribulation events opens. There is a progressive movement forward beginning in chapter 8 with reach backs like those contained in chapter 12 and 17, and parenthetical details like those contained in chapter 18. Chapter 7 is a view of additional pre-tribulation details regarding the 144,000 sealed mortal Israelites on the earth and the presence of the 24 elders and the great multitude around the throne before the actual events of the tribulation period begin. There is also a repetative element to the chapter sets of 6/12 with regard to satan and the fallen angelics, 7/14 regarding the 144,000 sealed, 7/16/19 regarding the destruction of the beast and his followers, and 8/14/17/18/19 regarding the destruction of the great city of the Gentiles. Each set covers a particular subject within the overall frame work of the tribulation period. So there is an overlaying effect created. Once one understands this structure, the events and their timing can be visualized.

If I accepted your conclusion, event without the seals, the duplication scenario can still be established. have you ever wondered WHY the Trumpets sound so eerily close to the vials?? Are the trumpets as you view them, yet another "preview of the vials"? Why then, are the trumpets described BEFORE the 42 month reign of the false Messiah, and the vials of the wrath of God AFTER? You see, not only will there be certian events , that will be accepted as full prophetic fulfillment Before antichrist, The first four trumpets, bring on the exact same destruction of the vials of the wrath of God. The difference is, the vials of the wrath of God, are poured out before the return of the Real Messiah, while the First four trumpets are blown, and occur Just prior to SAtan being cast out of Heaven, (fifth trump), with his hordes of fallen angels with Him (sixth trumpet).

[/indent] Not only is the sixth seal being accepted as the day of the Lord, the trumpets have the High Likelyhood of "mirroring" the vials of the wrath of God. This of coarse, is all occuring BEFORE the reign of the false messiah!

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REV. 10:11 AND HE SAID UNTO ME, THOU MUST prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues and kings[indent]

Why is John told this, at this particular time? What has he witnessed up to this point in time? What has he yet to witness?? Everthing up to the time John is told, "you must prophesy again" has set the stage, and will be accepted, by those who accept it as such, a duplication of yet future events!! One can actually split the Book of revelation in Half at the point John is told he must prophesy again. everthing before is a duplication of events yet to come! (although smaller in scope!)

I agree with your rendering of chapter 10. John is to move forward with more additional details, but with some element of repetition and regression in the chapters that follow like 12,14,17,18 and 19. The Lord's two prophets and the rule of satan's beast and followers for 42 months are placed in the last 1,260 days of the period. The first 6 trumpet soundings are first 1,260 day soundings and the events and realted will transact and their effects will flow through the entire tribulation period. The 7th trumpet is different and reserved for the end of the tribulation period. This trumpet sounding will bring the Lord's specific judgment against the beast and his followers, the destruction of his kingdom, and the Lord's taking back the earth from angelic and human rule for Himself and for His millennial reign on the earth. Revelation progresses in a revolving fashion as if one tells a story and in the process repeats some of the earlier details of the story with additional information.

[/indent]LOL, Stephen, YOU FUNNY!!!! Every time I try to reveal this duplication scenerio, you refute it, by stating it is Just more details of events already prophesied to happen!!! I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this point. As for the trumpets being sounded over the first 3 1/2 years, I would (of coarse) have to also disagree. if you study them out 1/3 of everthing is destroyed in the first four trumpets. Now I don't know what scripture you have used to establish that these trumpets are "spread out' of a period of time, but, If you look at the destruction they bring on, it appears that they will happen in VERY RAPID SUCSESSION, JUST AS THE VIALS OF THE WRATH OF GOD DO. one third of the entire ecological system suffers from the first four trumpets. Do you think it is just "coinkadink" that 1/3 of Mankind perishes in the sixth trumpet, after Satan's fallen angels are let loose? This destruction of "thirds" all occur prior to the reign of the false Messiah. If we add the one fourth already destroyed in the seals, Half of Humanity is already Gone before the False Messiah even established His Kingdom. It is no wonder, those that are left will think they have already experienced the DAy of the Lord! Not only have we witnessed an event that appeared to be Armageddon, we have also witnessed destruction that will very easily be construed as the vials of the Wrath of God, but it occurs BEOFRE the reign of Antichrist![indent]

I do agree whole heartedly, that the reign of the false messiah falls between the sixth and last trumpet!

"As for the trumpets being sounded over the first 3 1/2 years"

The first 6 trumpets do not sound over a period of three and 1/2 years, but will all sound in rapid fire succession at the beginning of the tribulation period as I have already stated. What I said was that their sounding will set up the backdrop of the tribulation period and the effects of the judgments will include destruction of the great city in one day and the release of the abyss and Euphrates angelics. This release will effect and flow through the entire tribulation period and involves satan, his beast, his false prophet, and his human followers. The destruction of the great city will also have lasting effects upon the earth as the tribulation period moves forward. Removal of this great city will be the result of satanic attack and this will allow for satan and his angelic and human followers to subdue the earth.

Agreed! (wow thats amazing, ain't it!) The First six trumpets are sounded in very rapid sucsession After the sixth seal!! This is a very busy time Prophetically. How will the World, and Many Christians for that matter, view what is occuring? This does set the stage for the 42 month reign of the false messiah, which is the Last half of the 70th week!

Actually, the 6 trumpet soundings will incorporate the details of the 6th seal. These things will set the stage for massive tribulation on a scale never experienced by mankind. They will also bring the rise of satan's beast and his manifestation in the human little horn and his followers. This king of the northern Middle East and 10 other kings will destroy the great city of the Gentiles in one day and then proceed to conquer all of the Middle East (the details of this campaign are recorded in Daniel 8:9, 11:36-44).

This satanic entity will also invade and conquer Israel by the middle of the 7 year tribulation period. He will add the holy land to his Middle Eastern kingdom. In the process he will fend off all outside opposition from the south, east, and north of the Middle East. Opposing armies will be vanquished as he will go forth to utterly sweep away multitudes of his opposition .... even their nations. He and the 10 other kings will cause massive destruction to the earth and in this process billions of humans will be killed. This will include his attempt to exterminate all national Israelites.

He will the rule the Middle East and parts of the earth's populations that are left for 42 months unopposed (last half of the tribulation period). He will require that all humans worship him as a god and his followers will do this. Those who refuse will be hunted down and killed ...... most by beheading. The 7th trumpt will begin to sound toward the end the tribulation period and the Lord will turn on the beast and his followers and destroy them in 30 days. This action will consumate at the battle of Armageddon. The earth will then become the Lord's, He will appear as recorded in Matthew 24:29, He will restore the kingdom to the believing remnant part of national Israel, and He will also gather all of the surviving mortals of the nations and separate them by their belief, or unbelief. Those found believing will enter His millennial kingdom, those in unbelief will be cast off and will not.

As I stated in the other Post, the Lord brings another army against the invading northern Army in the Midst of the week "every mans sword shall be against His brother" 5/6 of the northern army is wiped out at this time. How can this be describing the antichrist, and His army? How will he rule? It is at this time the Fifth and Sixth trumpets are sounded, and Satan is cast to earth, with his hordes of fallen angels following closely Behind ( I personally believe that this is a duplication of when Christ returens, with His armies behind HIM!

Sorry, I don't by the "false Armageddon" idea that has been a current proposal by some. There is no scripture of visionary prophecy recorded in the Bible that describes this speculation at all. Good luck with your studies.

Gideon said,

Awsome analogy, Joshleet.

However, Stephen, I thought you said before believers would be gone before the tribulation begins. This picture clearly depicts a post tribulation view, Stephen. Yes the harlot people shall be decieved. Those, earth dwellers, people entrapped by Babylonialism, that chose to believe not the love of the truth, but have pleasure in the Amrerican way of life, the Babylonian ways of life can not part from her before the tribulation, nor especially after. Many of these suposed Christians were not Christian at all to begin with. Had they of been, they would have easily seen the truth. Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free from the deception Satan will bring upon the world. If one does not cling to the truth about the coming of the true Messiah, they will be vulneralble to the strong delusion God will send many.

coming:


2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I do not think that satan is able to duplicate what God is intending.
My bet is on God, for nothing is impossible with Him, even fooling satan will be easy to do.

Satan is not actually "duplicating it, although it will be a duplication. I never stated He has that kind of power. He is however quite the opportunist, and will use whatever is available to decieve even if it were possable the elect. What these events are accepted as, will lay in the hearts of each and every soul on earth. There will be those who will know the Lord's voice, for His sheep know his voice, and those that will not! It will be the decieved hearts of each person, that will draw the wrong conclusion, and subsequently, make a choice that will last for eternity!

The entire Book of revelation is your "visionary prophecy" that is recorded, that reveals this.

Visionary prophecy is not mine .... it is the Lord's. All of the visions of the Bible prophets, the Lord's discourse, and Revelation must be studied together. Again, what you propose is not congruent with these passages of scripture. For example, Exekiel's account of the invasion of Israel and subsequent battle of Armageddon is just that ..... and not a "fake" Armageddon contrived by satan. Neither is the wrath of the Lamb as recorded in Revelation 6 something that humans will "just think it is" .... it will be. And they will know it just as the passage explains. It takes someone's wild imagination to render it as you suggest.

It is sort of funny, that you fail to squeeze God in there consequently.
Rest assured He is. Once you have updated your faltering formula, you will see that satan stands no chance. Tell him that.

It doesn't take ones "wild imagination' as you suggest. it takes the Spirit of God to bring Discernment of His word, not the knowledge of Man. I never stated that the "false Armegeddon," is contrived by Satan. All I stated is what the events are percieved to be when they occur. Just because the group of people in the sixth seal state, it is the day of the Lord, does it make it so? You can believe a bunch of unbelievers who Hide from God if you want to, but If you do, you may very well end up being one of those who do it. I guess I'll have to rewrite the end of Revelation where Jesus is retunring on His white Horse. I guess it is a throne, aint it?

You have and are already "re-writing" with your ideas. I would caution you about doing this. The Lord has nothing scripted in His prophetic visions that is not true. It is His Word and His revelation in this case .... not the intransigent unbelieving humans. He has cautioned about adding ot taking away from His Word. What are you doing? You are calling His statements "fake" so that you can prove your theory. Not a good idea at all.

I'm a little cornfused.. could you pleas elaborate on what you mean by "I fail to squeeze God in their" I will not need to "update" my "faltering formula", because it is not "faltering" I would respectfuuly like one to back up comments like this with Scriptural proof. I know Satan doesn't stand a Chance, because I will do everthing to reveal His final Battle plan for the end time. You can accept this, you can reject it. Its your call. My job is to warn as many as Possable. If this blows the lid off of ones theory of what will occur, and what has been held as true for a long time, so be it... Ahhh.. Wasn't Daniel told that the closer we get TO THE END, THE MORE WE WOULD KNOW?

Revelation

6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


This underlined statement is not just the "idea" the of humans under judgment in the passage. Anyone who contrives this thinking is completely off track and the motivation for being there is evident ..... to me. There is nothing in the passage or anywhere else in related prophetic vision that describes this condition as just an idea of those under judgment. Not only that but the complete context of the passage totally refutes any notion of this nature. They react to exactly what the passage states ... the Lord's wrath .... not something else.

How am I calling His statements fake? Nor am I adding to it, or taking anything away. You must realize, John was told to write down what he sees. He did exactly as he was instructed to. he made no commentary on It! What John wrote down was exactly what he witnessed happening! Remember, it is not John, who is saying it is the day ofthe Lord here, it is those who hide themselves from God! JOHN IS GIVING A VERY ACCURATE REPORT TO WHAT HE IS WITNESSING! In that sense, it is true, what John Saw. I am not denying that. But it doesn't make what the people are seeing and saying, truth!! I hope you can Inderstand that! Like I stated, if you want to believe a bunch of Unbelievers who hide from God, have at it!

John wrote exactly what the Lord conveyed to him. You don't seem to understand this. The Lord leaves no stone unturned and leaves nothing to the whims of the reader. I have been studying the prophetic visions and related for 0ver 40 years .... so do not think for a minute that you can sell your off course views on the subject to me. I would suggest that you contact the source that you feed from and investigate. Not good stuff.

If I was satan ...


... I would understand what someone's falle nature is like, and use their secret fears against them. I would twist God's word around and mingle it with their fears, thereby rendering a message of faith to no effect by the time it reaches someone's heart.

And that is exactly what Satan is doing in the end time. He is taking a partial truth from the word of God, Mixing it with what is being Held AS true, and coming up with the perfect deception!

As I stated before, The blood red moon event occurs in the sixth seal also. Joel clearly states that this event occurs BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD COMES. These folks ain't saying, the day of the Lord is about to begin, this is real time!! they are saying they are already in it!! I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN JUST OVERLOOK THIS. I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN OVERLOOK THE ANGEL IN REVELATION 14:6, who is saying the very same thing these People are. Someone is being fed a strong Delusion! It aint me! its those who hide from God and think they are experiencing the Day of the Lord! And lets not forget about both the sun and moon beiing turned black at the Lord's return (not blood red), that is an awful lot of scripture one must overlook. [indent][/indent] Is this what you consider a "wild imagination"? because I actually put meaning behind each and every Word of God? If you want to accept the blood red moon being black, fine, If you want to accept the Lord returns on a throne, instead of a horse, that's your call also. I'm not the one cornfused!!

Gideon said,
This is a great point, if God wanted the church to understand the Revelation, why would he rapture them before it occurs? For the revelation is the last week of Daniel and nothing else, therefore, it has no meaning to the pretriber, they will be gone before it begins to strike. So as a pretriber or as pretribers, how can they begin to understand something they claim is not going to affect them They do not understand it as it is merre Darbyism, a false doctrine created by false prophets and false teachers.

Gideon said,

What people do not understand is that when Satan is cast down in Revelation 12, which has not happened BTW, FYI, he will come down with great power and wrath. He will, if it were possible decieve the very elect. His power will grow in multiplicity as his legends are loosed from the bottomless pit in the middle of the weak. These demons are restrained now, but when the time comes, people will not be able to play Christian any longer, their true colors will shine and we see that in scripture. The book of Jude and II Peter points that out clearly.

if i were satan i would were a pink dress and go to a town or community were men like my self are hated and i would walk down the main street holding up a sign saying do as you please i like pain


satan got greedy those who joined with him were thrown from heaven jesus escaped hell satan could not even temp jesus in the wilderness he could not even get jesus to honor him


hear is what jesus said to satan


Matthew 4

4 But he answered it is written man shall not live on bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God


he could not convince gods son to worship him the only ones satan convinces are those who hate what the word has to say to them

look around you are you proud of the damage that is being done around the world look at what is going on in india look at what is going on in Dafor so many women and children have been killed men murdered in front of there wifes there 13 and 14 and 15 year old daughters raped right in front of there fathers

were evil is satan is right in the midle of it

even though this is a hypothetical question if i were satan as a christian i would not even think like this

i also got hooked into the occult i was a satan worshiper i liked everything the occult had to offer

i even became a blood brother with sevral guys number of the beast by iron maiden was my favorit song i would play this loud with no respect to the familys living in my street or to the christian living on the other side of us


satan wanted to destroy what god had created he wanted to hurt god and he got his chance look what happend in the garden everything was perfect until dear old santa satan decided enough was enough i want to rub it in gods face and boy did he rub it in gods face adam and eve got kicked out of the garden


satan will never be god satan will never get that respect that god has there is nothing good about satan




damo

Rv 20v

7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9: And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

this is enough for me on not to participate in any of his activities and deceptions

The reason I approached this, from this point of view, is we as Cristians need to fuly understand our Adversary. We need to discern what is Driving Satan to do what he does, that will lead to His ultimate Goal. I mean, Satan even quoted Scripture to Jesus HImself, trying to get Him to follow. Are we above our Master?? I don't think so!! The biggest mistake we can make is to think he will not try this!! Most believers Only percieve Satan's obvious "dark side". The Bible says he will come in as an Angel of Light! I think alot of People don't even want to consider this, because it exposes our own vunerability. We are dealing with the Father of Lies Here, and he is playing for Keeps, He aint messing around!

high

i know were you are comming from and i can honestly say this god wil give us the ability to face what ever satan throws at us i went through this and the more he trys to throw me of the course or path god has me on i simply rebuke him and dont alow my self to be tempted or do i alow my self to get to a place were i slip i also make sure their are no doors that are left open

since i have been dating a single filapino pastor who soon is going to be my wife the attacs have gotten stronger


yes we are dealing with the father of lies but we have the upper hand jesus and the holy spirit

satan can roar as much as he wants he only attacs those who are in the front line he does not bother the members that much but he loves tripping up pastors and evangelists and those serving the body

what i have noticed is soon as a christian discovers the truth he has lost that christian so what satan does is whisper he sets traps he tells you its ok just like he did with eve he twists things around i saw that he tried this with our lord but jesus did not give in

if i was satan i would attack the person and i would use their past against them

i nailed the old me to the cross i do not leav any door open were he can attack me my fiancee my family

look at what he has done with the catholic church the catholic church has fallen for his lies look at how silley the morman are and look at how he has his way with the jahova wittness he has also lied to the muslims they have fallen for his white lies they cant handle what the word has to say but they believe that gabriel the angel spoke to mohammed who was unlearned



James 1


12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which god has promised to those who love him

13 Let no one say when he is tempted i am being tempted by God for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself temps no one

14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires

satan can not tempt anyone unless you give him free reign over your life


when we dont listen to the way he whispers to us when we cover our selves and put on his armor and pray he cant attack us


jesus said he will send the disciples the holy spirit the holy spirit wil guide you into all truth the only ones who wil be decieved are those who are having a religous encounter with there bibles instead of devloping a real relationship with jesus many have personal relationships with their books their is no real evidence of christ in their lives


the catholic church has been bewitched and has fallen away from its first love the churches that were rebuked in revelations became luke warm we have luke warm christians not really taking the time to study their bibles they will listen more to a preacher who will tickle their ears most are not even ussing their god given gifts

satan can only roar when we give him that power to roar other wise he cant do a thing if we stay on the path god has us on and are as wise as doves test al spirits as 1 john 4 says be alert as we do not know when he will come for us


i know why you put the post up i see were you are comming from and i am not attacking you or mocking what you are wanting people to respond to



God bless from damo

Gideon said
This is a very interesting post as it is true that Satan comes in as an Angel of Light. Keep in mind, we see that very clearly in II Peter Chapter 2 and in the book of Jude. Satan will have a religious back ground and will use it to deceive the deceivable, unsaved, so called saint. He can never deceive the true elect, but those that are playing church and we love Jesus game will have their true works made manifest when Satan appears. They will fall with him. You had better have this rapture thing settled, because one might find themselves not raptured after Satan appears and on the wrong side of the fence, being deceived.



(KJV) 2 Peter - Chapter 2

2Pe 2:1 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.


2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


2Pe 2:4 ¶ For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;


2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;


2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:


2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;)


2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:


2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.


2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.


2Pe 2:12 ¶ But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;


2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;


2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:


2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;


2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb --- speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.


2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.


2Pe 2:18 ¶ For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.


2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.


2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Some miss the obvious:

Revelation
4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.

5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands

7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of [away from] great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them

12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them.


The Lord leaves no stone unturned with regard to the identification of immortalized humans who dwell in heaven just before, during, and after His coming judgment against intransigence and unbelief.

Gideon said,

Nice verses Stephen, could you kindly elaborate on them for us and tell us what your point is. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?


Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


The point I want to make is these are the saints that did not accept the mark of the beast. That means contrary to what you believe the saints will be here and experienc the tribulation of Satan, as he kills all saints that do not accept the mark. Contrary to your post on the Blessed hope thread where you stated these were saints that were immortalized and raptured before the tribulation we see clearly they are not. As it says these are they which came out of the Great Tribulation... First of all they are not immortalized yet, nor will they be until revelation 20 when they are resurrected and receive their immortal body from the power of Christ's resurrection. Nor are they rapture yet as they are the souls of the dead martyrs, not bodies. They do not receive their bodies until they return to earth with Christ and the armies of heaven.

Dont tell me the 4 and 20 elders are the pretrib rapture saints, because they have crowns, hogwash. I know that trick pretribers play also. Nowhere does it say it is the church. Besides the church is much bigger than 4 and 20 elders. I have always held the belief that these are the 12 deciples and the 12 patriarchs. This makes much more scence. This is very obviously not the church as if it were, God would have told us in scripture and pointed that out clearly; and he also would have not told us many other things that tells us the contrary.

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Those who are now wearing the white robes in Rev. 7:17, recieved them in the fifth Seal. They Have come out of "great tribulation". If one had to give thier Lives for Christ, it would be considered a time of Great tribulation for them. However, One cannot be so dogmatic with their interpratation, and conclude that just becuase the term "great tribulation" has been used, that it is referring to a specific time.

[/indent] The 70th week of Daniel is called the time of "Jacob's trouble". This can also be translated, the "time of Jacob's tribulation". This ISN"T the time period the Lord is Judging the unbelieving World. This comes later.

There will be multitudes killed in the birthpains, prior to the reign of the false messiah. Both Jesus (in Matthew 24) and the fifth seal reveal two groups of Believers that will be Killed for their testimony. In Matt. 24:9 we see it prophesied By Jesus that many believers will be killed. this is those we witness in the fifth seal, who now have their white robes. However, we also witness those that will be betrayed (and Killed) in Matt. 24:10. The fifth seal also makes the distinction between the two groups. The first are Martyred by the Islamic onslaught in the birthpains, the second, will be those "who understand" (Daniel 11:33), and don't accept the false messiah as the real. [indent]

The World will have witnessed countless millions slaughtered by the Islamic world in the birthpains. Although the Lord Divinely intervines, at the same time "gog" invades Israel (Ez 38:18). It is also at this time, Satan is cast to earth, in the form of the false Messiah. Most will think it was him who Just saved them from the islamic onslaught. The Jews will Get the type of the Messiah they Have been looking for. Many, MAny Christians that are Left, will have viewed a seven year period, they have accepted as full prophetic fulfillment, which will lead them right into the Arms of the False messiah, thinking He is the real returned Messiah!!! If one isn't careful with their interpratation of end time events, it can lead you right into a deception. The 3 1/2 years of "birthpains", that occur in the first half of the REAL 70th week, will be accepted as the LAST HALF OF A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, THAT WILL APPEAR TO BE FULL PROPHETIC FULFILLMENT, AND IF IT WERE POSSABLE, EVEN THE ELECT WILL BE DECIEVED. THIS IS WHY JESUS STATED," You shall hear of Wars and rumors of Wars, BUT THE END IS NOT YET"!!!!!!!