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(Looking Up @ Sep 7 2008, 11:53 PM) Christian TV has its place. But you do not often hear about dying with Jesus, total obedience, partaking in the fellowship of His suffering, and becoming His bondslave so that we can have victory, not only over sin, but over our old nature as well, and walk in true authority over the enemy, who uses our old nature to consistently trip us up. Jesus is able to not only save us from sin, but from ourselves as well! That is the complete Gospel! That is how you instruct someone and help them become mature and steadfast, instead of leaving them stuck at the level of mere babes in Christ.

Unfortunately, many only preach one part and leave the other out because people don't want to hear it, and because those preachers are afraid of losing popularity and financial support. So what a message like that gives birth to, are new believers that only have a partial understanding, and when the attacks of the enemy come, they will lose heart and fall away or follow false teachers/prophets.

The Gospel isn't a "feel good" message. It's a message that carries the power to bring people from death into life! The feeling good comes after obedience to God and turning our backs not only on sin but also on our selfish ways.

The feeling good comes after you snatch someone out of the fire and save them from certain death!

So many focus on the feeling good that they forget that only godly sorrow can lead to true repentance. If you read the Gospels, you see a Jesus who is kind and compassionate and loving, but also makes no excuses for someone's sin and deals with it upfront and calls people to a standard that is way beyond the mere letter of the Law, into completeness before God.

I've neither problems with the thumpers nor the candy coaters. They will have their reward. I will not have to give account for them.


What I'm personally striving for is complete understanding so that my life and testimony can present the complete Savior to another person, not just some buffet where people think they can pick and choose.

Because we do reap what we sow.

If we're reaping a harvest of shallow people that cannot receive nor digest or obey sound doctrine, then we have not sown that into their lives, and God help us! On the other hand, if we reap a harvest of condemners and discompassionate, unkind people, then they, too, only have gotten part of the picture, and God help us there too!


Excellent anointed responses - you understood my purpose for the article. The article merely represents another aspect of recognizing false prophets that the topic article did not have and was mean't to add some variety to the full topic. It successfully drew out some intimate experiences from posters which we otherwise would not have been blessed with. Your post is 100% kosher. Thanks and God bless you.
voice

In addition:

Personally speaking, regarding Christian TV, I have no qualms with it. An obedient, discerning believer will know what to look out for. Certainly, certain scandals have affected its credibility, but those same problems have occurred in the non-televangelistic world. I believe that individuals can receive the Gospel message via television, radio and the internet.

I believe that Looking Up's post, where it deals with false prophets on TV, is quite applicable and adds another dimension to the whole posted topic.

One's individual experience with Christian TV, on a subjective basis, is also meaningful and valid, as in Miki's post.

Maranatha
voice


Miki
QUOTE (Looking Up @ Sep 7 2008, 02:53 PM) *
Christian TV has its place. But you do not often hear about dying with Jesus, total obedience, partaking in the fellowship of His suffering, and becoming His bondslave so that we can have victory, not only over sin, but over our old nature as well, and walk in true authority over the enemy, who uses our old nature to consistently trip us up. Jesus is able to not only save us from sin, but from ourselves as well! That is the complete Gospel! That is how you instruct someone and help them become mature and steadfast, instead of leaving them stuck at the level of mere babes in Christ.

Unfortunately, many only preach one part and leave the other out because people don't want to hear it, and because those preachers are afraid of losing popularity and financial support. So what a message like that gives birth to, are new believers that only have a partial understanding, and when the attacks of the enemy come, they will lose heart and fall away or follow false teachers/prophets.

The Gospel isn't a "feel good" message. It's a message that carries the power to bring people from death into life! The feeling good comes after obedience to God and turning our backs not only on sin but also on our selfish ways. The feeling good comes after you snatch someone out of the fire and save them from certain death! So many focus on the feeling good that they forget that only godly sorrow can lead to true repentance. If you read the Gospels, you see a Jesus who is kind and compassionate and loving, but also makes no excuses for someone's sin and deals with it upfront and calls people to a standard that is way beyond the mere letter of the Law, into completeness before God.

I've neither problems with the thumpers nor the candy coaters. They will have their reward. I will not have to give account for them.

What I'm personally striving for is complete understanding so that my life and testimony can present the complete Savior to another person, not just some buffet where people think they can pick and choose. Because we do reap what we sow. If we're reaping a harvest of shallow people that cannot receive nor digest or obey sound doctrine, then we have not sown that into their lives, and God help us! On the other hand, if we reap a harvest of condemners and discompassionate, unkind people, then they, too, only have gotten part of the picture, and God help us there too!



I disagree with almost every word of this..sorry..no personal offense meant.

Point 1.) You said:
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Christian TV has its place. But you do not often hear about dying with Jesus, total obedience, partaking in the fellowship of His suffering, and becoming His bondslave so that we can have victory, not only over sin, but over our old nature as well, and walk in true authority over the enemy, who uses our old nature to consistently trip us up. Jesus is able to not only save us from sin, but from ourselves as well! That is the complete Gospel! That is how you instruct someone and help them become mature and steadfast, instead of leaving them stuck at the level of mere babes in Christ.


I've watched Christian television for years..TBN and CBN.. and what you say is simply not the truth. I don't know where you're coming from with such a statement. It's just not true. And if it's not true then what is it?

Secondly you said:

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Unfortunately, many only preach one part and leave the other out because people don't want to hear it, and because those preachers are afraid of losing popularity and financial support. So what a message like that gives birth to, are new believers that only have a partial understanding, and when the attacks of the enemy come, they will lose heart and fall away or follow false teachers/prophets.


This erroneous statement would never hold up in court.

Do some preach one side of the coin too often? I would say probably. Do some others preach the other side to often? I would say probably.
But it balances itself out in the end. Each person has their own style of preaching to reach different kinds of people. God uses it all.

Are there totally false teachers.... like right here on this forum? I would say yes..but they are in the minority and you shouldn't judge the field by the weeds. The separation is coming soon. Would you turn the lost and struggling away from the the farmer because you see weeds in the field.
What about the local church?
Many on this forum detest that also...
Would you turn them out to the wolves on the Internet?

How should we have community and fellowship together?

Now maybe you aren't against the local church. Or maybe you're lucky enough to come under the teaching of someone like Dean and you can enjoy a house church...But he is in the minority.

The reality is...We need the help of the Holy Spirit to discern truth from error. I believe we are indwelt at the time of salvation..I believe the Lord looses the fullness of that as we strive to give him our whole life and attention. I don't believe l need hands of men laid on me to receive an impartation..no..only the hand of the Lord. Some special service perhaps, as we see it in scripture. But when ordinary people are saved the Lord gives them his Spirit to help them run the race. If they aren't truly saved they won't be able to disern very long with out falling prey..If we ask for milk he won't give us a snake. Just don't forget there is a snake ...always trying to sneak in.


The teaching l've received have been generally good. The basics.. and I went on from there.

You need to forgive peoples shortcomings and look for the good of a thing. In my local church for instance. They were totally unequipped to handle someone like me when l came out of the occult...I was stranded for a long time in lonely isolation with problems they couldn't understand..I felt a bit of an oddity..But the Lord didn't condemn them. Instead he sent me a mentor that was well versed and she helped carry me through the dark days of shedding the past. That's how God works. If the body is lacking in one area he raises someone else up.

Voice .. You may think this is off topic as a diversion from what you've posted but l think it's right on..Because the subtle rancor against the whole field of Christian television needs to be pointed out so that people who are hanging on for dear life can know it's ok..The Lord hasn't lead them astray but in fact has lead them to an oasis in the desert of the world. So those of you that have been brought hope through this vehicle like l have don't be discouraged! by what those who appear to be in authority here on this forum say.

My only advice is to work hard for your money. Don't just wait for your ship to come in but work while you're waiting and whistle while you do it. Let everything that has breath Praise the Lord!

My last point is this. Jesus makes me feel real good. His church at times...not so much. blush.gif I don't know where anybody would get the idea that the gospel isn't suppose to make you feel good. After receiving the truth of the word into my heart and life l've never felt so good. Praise his Holy Name!

Do l have trials? plenty.. Do l have hope? more than enough.. I learned through Christian television that once l was truly saved and living for Christ l would come under attack. I was prepared and as the devil tried repeatedly to kill me it confirmed the truth more and more to me.

Some people need to get of their self righteous high horse and accept the fact that Jesus loves all people and he's working through many many ways to reach the lost. Everything will come out in the wash...and any spot and wrinkle will be left behind as we enter his final presence. After all he died for those spots an wrinkles.. Then we'll all be clothed in completed righteousness..seeing as he sees..knowing as he knows. Only the good will be there. All else of our fleshly works will fall away like the dust of the earth. It seems so far away..but l know it's only a short while longer..
So look up friends who are struggling. Your redemption draweth nigh.
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http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=233017

small addition to the post
Adullam
QUOTE (Looking Up @ Sep 7 2008, 10:53 AM) *
Christian TV has its place. But you do not often hear about dying with Jesus, total obedience, partaking in the fellowship of His suffering, and becoming His bondslave so that we can have victory, not only over sin, but over our old nature as well, and walk in true authority over the enemy, who uses our old nature to consistently trip us up. Jesus is able to not only save us from sin, but from ourselves as well! That is the complete Gospel! That is how you instruct someone and help them become mature and steadfast, instead of leaving them stuck at the level of mere babes in Christ.

Unfortunately, many only preach one part and leave the other out because people don't want to hear it, and because those preachers are afraid of losing popularity and financial support. So what a message like that gives birth to, are new believers that only have a partial understanding, and when the attacks of the enemy come, they will lose heart and fall away or follow false teachers/prophets.

The Gospel isn't a "feel good" message. It's a message that carries the power to bring people from death into life! The feeling good comes after obedience to God and turning our backs not only on sin but also on our selfish ways. The feeling good comes after you snatch someone out of the fire and save them from certain death! So many focus on the feeling good that they forget that only godly sorrow can lead to true repentance. If you read the Gospels, you see a Jesus who is kind and compassionate and loving, but also makes no excuses for someone's sin and deals with it upfront and calls people to a standard that is way beyond the mere letter of the Law, into completeness before God.

I've neither problems with the thumpers nor the candy coaters. They will have their reward. I will not have to give account for them.

What I'm personally striving for is complete understanding so that my life and testimony can present the complete Savior to another person, not just some buffet where people think they can pick and choose. Because we do reap what we sow. If we're reaping a harvest of shallow people that cannot receive nor digest or obey sound doctrine, then we have not sown that into their lives, and God help us! On the other hand, if we reap a harvest of condemners and discompassionate, unkind people, then they, too, only have gotten part of the picture, and God help us there too!


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Adeline
Miki,

Thank-you for your posts in this thread....touched my heart. One lesson that I have learned is that you can't reach people for the Lord by hitting them over the head with the bible, in fact sometimes that approach can leave a potential Christian running for the hills. I also give thanks to the local Christian churches who are reaching people for Christ. One local church that I am giving thanks for is a church that my son is attending while he is attending college. The people in this small congregation are reaching out to my son and the other students that are going with him. Now the congregation is attempting to put together a bible study for the college student. Isn't that great? Christopher has e-mailed me about this small church and these nice people. These Christians are taking the time to get to know my son and to minister to him where he is at. It seems that they are contacting him during the week, too. Miki, puts my mind at rest knowing that when he can't be at home that he does have a fellowship of believers he feels at home with. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is a love story on how much God loves us while we were yet sinners and love stories make people feel joyful and peaceful.

Gods Blessings,

Al
Miki
Al,

Neat about your son. My little local church helped keep my son's head above waters in some really dark days for him.. I'm very greatful. Perhaps some would like to close a church like mine but the Lord is thankfully the only one with the power to do that.

I would also add that people get bitter about the church and it gets a subtle stronghold. It's hard to get free and face those things..I have this in my life in other areas... boy it's tough. Especially when you realize it and don't know how to extricate the hurt from work of the enemy.

Voice..thanks for your added addendum.

I see everything sown together. I wish l could find a picture of the extrication l see coming..
Not only in general but also from our very soul.... our spirit.

I was looking at the sunflowers on my patio the other day. They are forming seed. I can tell they're exhausted. Doesn't matter how much l water or feed. blush.gif We get tired Voice.. Yes..there are still times of exuberance. But God finally takes us. (I've also been watching a tall late bloomer..still strong and sturdy..I think it's a Jacob thing...)
signet


I just was thinking about sunflowers. They are so lovely. Their faces follow the sun
and they have such a unique fragrance. I always equate seeing sunflowers with
forgiveness...could also be the seeds of faith, flowering into maturity.

111
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 2 Corinthians 4:16

And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Galatians 6:9

For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Hebrews 12:3

Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains.
James 5:7

But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
Isaiah 40:31
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The Criteria of False Prophets


Notes on Deuteronomy 18:22


Prophetic Role of Reproval unto Righteousness and The Predictive Role of Prophecy


A biblical passage that some present as "proof" of a purely predictive role for prophecy is Deuteronomy 18:22:

If a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it.

The focus here is usually on the phrase "does not take place," as if correspondence between the prediction of a specific historical event and its happening in that precise way in history is the primary, only, and absolute validation of a prophet. But as is usually the case, this passage needs to be read carefully in context to see what it is addressing, and therefore what it is really saying in this context.

In using this as a proof text for predictive prophecy as the norm for Old Testament prophets, the assumption is made that this is a blanket statement of the validity of all prophetic writings within the specific confines of historical event. In other words, it takes that statement as an absolute statement of fact but applies it only in the specific historical context of a direct correspondence between a historical prediction and a historical event. And yet a closer examination of the context in which this verse occurs reveals that the issue is not about prediction of the future.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3 begins dealing with the problem of syncretism of worship, a major concern throughout Deuteronomy (see The Book of Deuteronomy). That syncretism had been encouraged by both "prophets" and "those who divine by dreams."

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(WikiAnswers) - Syncretism consists of the attempt to reconcile disparate or contradictory beliefs, often while melding practices of various schools of thought. The term may refer to attempts to merge and analogize several originally discrete traditions, especially in the theology and mythology of religion, and thus assert an underlying unity allowing for an inclusive approach to other faiths.



13:1 If prophets or those who divine by dreams appear among you and promise you omens or portents, 13:2 and the omens or the portents declared by them take place, and they say, "Let us follow other gods" (whom you have not known) "and let us serve them," 13:3 you must not heed the words of those prophets or those who divine by dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you indeed love the LORD your God with all your heart and soul.

We are used to reading about prophets in Israel, but diviners were consistently outlawed in Israel (for example, Deut 13:5). And yet, in that historical context, diviners were often linked with prophets as part of the cultural context of the day, as in Jeremiah (cf. Zech 10:2):

27:9 You, therefore, must not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your soothsayers, or your sorcerers, who are saying to you, 'You shall not serve the king of Babylon.'

Here, the message brought to the people by the prophets and diviners was not the message from God for the people. Rather, it was in conflict with what the prophets of God were saying. This problem worked out more obviously in Jeremiah's conflict with prophet Hananiah. He presented himself as a prophet of God, yet his message was exactly the opposite of Jeremiah's (Jer 28). The question then, for the people, was how to distinguish a diviner/prophet from an authentic prophet of God.

Note two things in the warning in Deuteronomy 13:1-3 that continue throughout the entire chapter. First, the prophets and diviners mentioned promise the people things that will take place in the future that do indeed "take place." Only here, this is not prediction of the future but the promise of "signs and portents." In other words, this is the use of magic in some form to convince people to believe what they say. This idea of magic associated with prediction of the future is a strand throughout the Old Testament. It is used in more positive ways in Isaiah, although it remains partly in the realm of magic in most cases.

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voice- if someone fearfully predicts 'portents' such as hurricanes, tidal waves, and calamities in order to 'prove' they are a prophet, in order to create fear and draw believers/unbelievers to themselves, this is not hebrew prophecy - even if it occurs, it is in the realm of magic. That person should be avoided like the plague and immediately removed without hesitation. They are not a prophet from the Lord but an oracle from ... satan. Contact with them will also frequently spread disorders (migraines), unrest (sleeplessness) and a transference of spirits (madness, mental instability as in the case of King Saul).


Second, what they say is "Let us follow other gods . . . and let us serve them." That is, these diviner prophets are not prophets of God but are advocating a syncretistic worship that is in conflict with the covenant provisions of the torah. They are encouraging the people to follow other gods. This emerges as the primary concern in this entire section of Deuteronomy, expressed most strongly in Deuteronomy 13.6-8:

13:6 If anyone secretly entices you--even if it is your brother, your father's son or your mother's son, or your own son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend--saying, "Let us go worship other gods," whom neither you nor your ancestors have known, 13:7 any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, 13:8 you must not yield to or heed any such persons.

This same concern again comes to the foreground in Deuteronomy 17.

17:2 If there is found among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, and transgresses his covenant 17:3 by going to serve other gods and worshiping them--whether the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden-- . . . 17:5 then you shall bring out to your gates that man or that woman who has committed this crime and you shall stone the man or woman to death.

This likely reflects a concern with eliminating polytheism and syncretism from the post-exilic community. Yet, it serves to demonstrate that this is a central concern in this section of Deuteronomy.

Again, this concern with syncretism and the worship of other gods is addressed directly in Deuteronomy 18.

18:10 No one shall be found among you who makes a son or daughter pass through fire, or who practices divination, or is a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, 18:11 or one who casts spells, or who consults ghosts or spirits, or who seeks oracles from the dead. 18:12 For whoever does these things is abhorrent to the LORD; it is because of such abhorrent practices that the LORD your God is driving them out before you. 18:13 You must remain completely loyal to the LORD your God. 18:14 Although these nations that you are about to dispossess do give heed to soothsayers and diviners, as for you, the LORD your God does not permit you to do so.

Here, this syncretism is connected with diviners. In fact, there are a variety of ways listed here by which the people could try to discern and therefore control the future by magical means: child sacrifice, divination, soothsaying, the use of omens (augur), sorcery, spells, mediums, and necromancy. The emphasis here is on human initiative in trying to control the world or the gods. That strikes at the very heart of what syncretistic worship entailed: the rejection of Faith in God, his grace, and his providence for the human-controlled world of manipulation of God and the gods by magic.

Note also that the following verses turn to the idea of prophets of God.

18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you shall heed such a prophet. . . . 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words in the mouth of the prophet, who shall speak to them everything that I command. 18:19 Anyone who does not heed the words that the prophet shall speak in my name, I myself will hold accountable. 18:20 But any prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, or who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded the prophet to speak--that prophet shall die." (Messianic prophecy of Jesus the Messiah as Prophet Par-Excellence)

The contrast here is clearly between diviner prophets who tempt the people to follow other gods and the world of magic, and the prophets of God who call the people to faithfulness to the covenant with God and the proper response to God apart from magic. The emphasis is clearly on a prophet that God will raise up. In other words, it is not something that the people can do. God is the one who initiates the work of a prophet and who gives the prophet a message to speak. It cannot be controlled by the people, or even by the prophet.

This raises the question of how to tell the difference between diviner prophets and genuine prophets of God:

18:21 You may say to yourself, "How can we recognize a word that the LORD has not spoken?"

Here, this is presented in negative terms, how to recognize a false word. It is in this context that Deuteronomy 18:22 gives the guidelines for recognizing, not just any kind of prophet, but the kind of diviner prophets that lead the people into syncretistic magical worship. In other words, these criteria are not generalized or absolute rules for all prophets, nor are they guidelines for determining a true prophet, but are negative criteria for recognizing a diviner prophet.

18:22 If a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it.

In this context, the validity of prophets is connected to their role as covenant mediators and what they proclaimed about God rather than what they proclaimed about specific historical events. Here, "does not take place" is accompanied by "or prove true." While it is easy to read into that the idea of specific historical event, if we do not assume that the prophets are concerned only about specific historical event, it is more likely in this context that something much broader than specific historical event is in view.

The emphasis here is on the "word" of God spoken through the prophet. In Deuteronomy especially, but in other places in the OT as well, the "word" of God is a way to talk about the purposes of God for his people (for example, 4:10, 6:6). These words of God are the torah, the instructions from God for living in the world as his people.

The criterion for an authentic word of God is that it proves itself to be true in history. That is not specific historical events, which reading only "take place" might imply, but includes the idea of "prove true." In other words, a diviner prophet cannot bring a word of God that will prove true in the outworking of the life of the people of God, because the diviner prophet is not bringing the instruction of God for how to live in God's world. There is a conviction throughout Scripture that false words about God cannot prove true in human experience, that is, in human history. Because they are inherently false pictures of God, they will of necessity fail (we might connect John Wesley's dimension of Experience here as a criteria of theological doctrine, that it must prove true in life to have validity). As one writer has said, "The criterion of true prophecy is what it should be—truth, the correspondence between the prophetic word and the realities of history." (Patrick Miller, Deuteronomy, Interpretation Commentary, p. 153).

This suggests that even when a diviner prophet gives a specific prediction that does come to pass within history (Deut 13:2), he is not a prophet of God if his overall message about God does not prove true. No matter what the diviner does or says, if his message does not enable the people to live in the world as God's people, if his message does not prove true in the course of human history as the people live out their covenant with God, that prophet is not a true prophet of God. And while it is not directly addressed in this passage, the converse would also be true. That is, even though a genuine prophet of God makes specific historical predictions that do not come true, that does not necessarily mean he is a false prophet if his larger message from God proves true in the flow of history (see Ezekiel and the Oracles against Tyre).

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voice- the Bible does not refer to 'newbie prophets' but only to the ones heretofore mentioned - true ones, or false ones ... nothing in between


This was the situation in the conflict between Hananiah and Jeremiah (Jer 28). During the conflict, there was no easy way to decide who was telling the truth. Hananiah promised a short and easy two year struggle with the Babylonians. Jeremiah promised a much longer, more difficult, and eventually catastrophic course of events. It is not that those events must have happened just as Jeremiah had said. He had early held out hope that the people would respond and that history could take a different course, although he was finally convinced that they would not. Yet eventually, the course of history proved that Jeremiah's interpretation of the people's predicament was accurate, because he had stood in the council of God and proclaimed the word of God (Jer 23:18-22). And that word was vindicated, proven true, by the course of events across a 40 year span.

This is the thrust of Deuteronomy 22:18. The criteria set here are not the correspondence of specific predicted historical event to a specific outcome in history. The criteria are whether or not the prophet calls the people to faithfulness to God, (Reproval unto Righteousness) and whether their prophetic word proves true in history (Predictive Role in historical context).

That suggests on the one hand that there is no immediate way to tell a magical prophet from a genuine prophet, because it may take some time for his words to be proven to be the true word of God, or that they are his own ideas presented as the word of God, as in the case of Hananiah. That may mean that without caution some may be deceived into following the words of a false prophet for a time. But it also suggests that eventually false prophets will be proven false.

It is also a declaration that a sure sign of a false prophet is if he or she advocates any syncretistic form of worship of God that does not call the people to accountability to covenant relationship with God and a life of torah (see Torah as Holiness). Any prophet who advocates any "other gods" must of necessity be a false prophet, no matter how many signs s/he can perform, or no matter how accurate their predictions might be.





http://www.crivoice.org/prophetdeut18.html
Miki
QUOTE (Voice @ Sep 9 2008, 07:52 PM) *
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 2 Corinthians 4:16

And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Galatians 6:9

For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Hebrews 12:3

Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains.
James 5:7

But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
Isaiah 40:31


One of the gifts is exhortation. Let the body fully function.

EXHORTATION: Rom. 12:8 - to come along side of someone with words of encouragement, comfort, consolation, and counsel to help them be all God wants them to be (Greek Word: paraklesis - calling to one’s side)



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QUOTE (Miki @ Sep 10 2008, 10:16 AM) *
QUOTE (Voice @ Sep 9 2008, 07:52 PM) *
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 2 Corinthians 4:16

And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Galatians 6:9

For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Hebrews 12:3

Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains.
James 5:7

But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
Isaiah 40:31


One of the gifts is exhortation. Let the body fully function.
EXHORTATION: Rom. 12:8 - to come along side of someone with words of encouragement, comfort, consolation, and counsel to help them be all God wants them to be (Greek Word: paraklesis - calling to one's side)


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