September 02, 2008
Dutch Intelligence: U.S. Attack on Iran Imminent
Posted by Mike Tennant at September 2, 2008 09:58 AM
The Dutch intelligence service called off an operation against Iran's weapons industry on the basis that they believe a U.S. attack on Iran's alleged nuclear program is imminent: a U.S. air strike is likely to occur "within weeks." Conveniently, so is the presidential election. Since the state is the embodiment of all that is good and right with the world, however, there isn't the slightest chance of any connection between the two.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022618.html
at the ron paul convention/rally today..........a man said that ron paul reads the lewrockwell.com website every day
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Dutch "intelligence"?
Who are they? I find that very funny.
If they had any intelligence....they would not be allowing all the Muslims to have free reign to move into their country like they are.
I think its Holland where the Muslim population is growing at a very very fast pace. They are getting overrun by them.
Dutch Intelligence better start paying attention to their own issues.
Who are they? I find that very funny.
If they had any intelligence....they would not be allowing all the Muslims to have free reign to move into their country like they are.
I think its Holland where the Muslim population is growing at a very very fast pace. They are getting overrun by them.
Dutch Intelligence better start paying attention to their own issues.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 05:53 PM) 
Dutch "intelligence"?
Who are they? I find that very funny.
If they had any intelligence....they would not be allowing all the Muslims to have free reign to move into their country like they are.
I think its Holland where the Muslim population is growing at a very very fast pace. They are getting overrun by them.
Dutch Intelligence better start paying attention to their own issues.
Who are they? I find that very funny.
If they had any intelligence....they would not be allowing all the Muslims to have free reign to move into their country like they are.
I think its Holland where the Muslim population is growing at a very very fast pace. They are getting overrun by them.
Dutch Intelligence better start paying attention to their own issues.
i'm guessing that..........any nation within the EU must allow immigration..........so, some immigrants choose the nation that offers the best welfare benefits.
Let's not forget about the Dutch resistance in WW2, brave loyal souls, and those few clergy who stood against Hitler's absorption of their country and pressure on the church to accept compromise with the devil. Here in America we've enough compromisers and appeasers, along with a largely apostate church. We've a growing muslim influence here as well.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
QUOTE (chrio39 @ Sep 2 2008, 09:09 PM)
Let's not forget about the Dutch resistance in WW2, brave loyal souls, and those few clergy who stood against Hitler's absorption of their country and pressure on the church to accept compromise with the devil. Here in America we've enough compromisers and appeasers, along with a largely apostate church. We've a growing muslim influence here as well.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
David...
I agree with you about it being a very good opportunity for us to witness to those that will listen. There are many Moderate Muslims that are absolutely no problem.
However...what we are finding is that some come over here under the guise of being a "moderate" when they are really "radical".
The serious Muslims are PROHIBITED in their beliefs to integrate. Their primary responsibility is to the "Umah (the Muslim Nation).
They are not here to integrate into the United States. They are here to take over our country.
They believe in the Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
The Muslims have many opportunities to hear about Yeshua....even in their own countries.
And I believe that for those who the Holy Spirit calls....they will seek Him out if they listen.
At the same time...we must be on guard here in our own nation.
In Holland....A Muslim stabbed and killed the grandson of Vincent Van Gough. You know what happend to this Muslim? He just got locked in prison. He killed this man because he didn't like something he put up.
These people that are radical do not abide by the laws we have in this land. I am not willing to allow them access so that they can rape my daughters or my dog. You would not believe some of the filthy threats they make.
One Muslim threated a friend of mine in Florida and threatened to rape his wife, his daughters, his sons and then his dog.
God bless the Americans that can see this for what it really is and are not willing to lie down and let them take over.
You will not be able to worship our God if they do. You will be made to practice Islam instead.
Nation after nation that has let them come in, in droves, has ended up paying a big price for it.
I believe it was Seria who used to be a Christian nation until they allowed Muslims to come in. And by having many children.....the Muslims overtook the Christians by sheer number. It is no longer a Christian nation.
Their intention is for Islam to RULE the whole world.
And I am shocked with all the information that is available...that Americans and people are not awake to this fact. It is like a very large blindfold is over everyones eyes.
I don't know what its going to take to change it.
I heard on the News the other day that in fifty years...that whites will be the minority in America. That, in itself, does not really bother me that much. But what did was when they said that it was the Muslim population that is the fastest growing.
You may not think they have an agenda......but I DO!
These videos are pretty "enlightening"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpJC3f3UHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SyKGqGv8C8...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv2XmGc4Xn4...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoT0sHeRpU
Chloe, I have been aware of this for a while. Detroit Mich., Bethlehem Israel, Lebanon, the list goes on. I don't worry about that, Neither am I pacifist. God is and always has been in control. If they take over, it will be the judgement of God. If we slumber as Christ's body, our enemies will continue to make gains. A righteous nation will be protected by God. End of story. USA is not righteous, though a small remnant here is. It can be turned around, but I am sure that it won't be, except in pockets which we must pray and strive for. God bless you my sister. David
Is it right to denigrate or villlify an entire race of people's based upon the actions of a few? And not only this, but are these *Muslim extremists*, extremists simply based upon their religious values, or do they have other reasons for their angst? Although I do not condone violence or terrorism, I'm also of the opinion that might alone does not make right and there is violence on both sides, regardless of the "why's" or "wherefore's" that the violence is used.
I agree with you David; as christians we do need to be about our Father's business, sharing the good news of the Kingdom and welcoming any person, regardless of race or prior religious affiliation.
God bless you all,
Kim
I agree with you David; as christians we do need to be about our Father's business, sharing the good news of the Kingdom and welcoming any person, regardless of race or prior religious affiliation.
God bless you all,
Kim
the Koran and the other writings of Mohammed said:
kill infidels, jews, un-believers
give the un-believers a choice.......convert or die
the resurrection of the muslims cannot happen until all jews are killed.....(as per hadith)
so, the "extremist" muslims are really fundamentalists...........they believe the fundamentals of their scripture and Prophet/teacher
Muhammed was a terrorist,,,,,,,,,,he attacked and robbed caravans,,,,,,,,,he spread Islam by the sword
***********
the Bible tells us to preach the Gospel,,,,,,,,,,,,not threaten people with death or injury or robbing
i'm a fundamentalist Bible-believer...........i practice/believe the fundamentals of the scripture and teacher/christ
************
the muslims don't have a clean conscience..........they know that the Koran and hadith is not love.......it's sin.........they know it
**********
the apostate chistians don't have a clean conscience.........they know that they're wrong..........they are not believinng/practicing the fundamentals of the bible/jesus
and their conscience is killing them
kill infidels, jews, un-believers
give the un-believers a choice.......convert or die
the resurrection of the muslims cannot happen until all jews are killed.....(as per hadith)
so, the "extremist" muslims are really fundamentalists...........they believe the fundamentals of their scripture and Prophet/teacher
Muhammed was a terrorist,,,,,,,,,,he attacked and robbed caravans,,,,,,,,,he spread Islam by the sword
***********
the Bible tells us to preach the Gospel,,,,,,,,,,,,not threaten people with death or injury or robbing
i'm a fundamentalist Bible-believer...........i practice/believe the fundamentals of the scripture and teacher/christ
************
the muslims don't have a clean conscience..........they know that the Koran and hadith is not love.......it's sin.........they know it
**********
the apostate chistians don't have a clean conscience.........they know that they're wrong..........they are not believinng/practicing the fundamentals of the bible/jesus
and their conscience is killing them
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 3 2008, 06:19 AM)
Hello,
If I may just add a few words,
This same topic is listed on the forum here: http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22969&hl=
and it is kind of interesting to see two different conversations about the same topic. What I believe David was hinting at was do not make jokes about the Dutch nation, and he described them, while you are making an issue more about the Muslim extremists, which is not what the point was in the first place. There was a remark made about Dutch 'intelligence'... and then 'intelligence'? Like the nation of Holland is stupid or something. I just feel as a Christian this is not right to be making fun of any race or religion, and as my signature line says, all the love for God first and then your neighbor is better than anything else in the world. It's not about the Dutch, or the Extremists of any race or religion as we have enough of that in this country already. But it's about love and making the world a better place. I hope I have made the right point without upsetting anyone. Thank you.
Oh, forgot to add... LewRockwell is a conspiracy theorist and that also is not something that Christians should be reading, whether Ron Paul reads it or not. If your pastor read a blog by someone that was a conspiracy theorist, would you trust him or read the blog because he was your pastor? I just feel this is a mixed bag here and not really on topic for what Christians should be talking about. I'm not for the hippy love type Christianity, but just tell the facts scripturally like they are told in the Bible. No need to make your opinions from what you learned or read from sources that are not truly legitimate. Thank you again.
If I may just add a few words,
This same topic is listed on the forum here: http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22969&hl=
and it is kind of interesting to see two different conversations about the same topic. What I believe David was hinting at was do not make jokes about the Dutch nation, and he described them, while you are making an issue more about the Muslim extremists, which is not what the point was in the first place. There was a remark made about Dutch 'intelligence'... and then 'intelligence'? Like the nation of Holland is stupid or something. I just feel as a Christian this is not right to be making fun of any race or religion, and as my signature line says, all the love for God first and then your neighbor is better than anything else in the world. It's not about the Dutch, or the Extremists of any race or religion as we have enough of that in this country already. But it's about love and making the world a better place. I hope I have made the right point without upsetting anyone. Thank you.
Oh, forgot to add... LewRockwell is a conspiracy theorist and that also is not something that Christians should be reading, whether Ron Paul reads it or not. If your pastor read a blog by someone that was a conspiracy theorist, would you trust him or read the blog because he was your pastor? I just feel this is a mixed bag here and not really on topic for what Christians should be talking about. I'm not for the hippy love type Christianity, but just tell the facts scripturally like they are told in the Bible. No need to make your opinions from what you learned or read from sources that are not truly legitimate. Thank you again.
thanks,,,,,,,i just discovered rockwell yesterday.......so, i didn't know
i like some of what Ron Paul says
does Paul know that Rockwell is a conspiracy theorist?
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 3 2008, 06:42 AM)
Dennis Mann,
I don't know if Ron Paul knows as I am not that into Ron Paul's beliefs or what he reads. May be something to look up though!
I don't know if Ron Paul knows as I am not that into Ron Paul's beliefs or what he reads. May be something to look up though!
i'm more of a christian than a politician.
so, i follow some politics,,,,,,,,but, most (or all) politicians make the same mistake.........they're more concerned with the secular than the bible
but, if they preached the bible,,,,,,,,,they couldn't win an election,,,,,,,,,so, it's a catch-22 situation
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 3 2008, 06:19 AM)
Hello,
If I may just add a few words,
This same topic is listed on the forum here: http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22969&hl=
and it is kind of interesting to see two different conversations about the same topic. What I believe David was hinting at was do not make jokes about the Dutch nation, and he described them, while you are making an issue more about the Muslim extremists, which is not what the point was in the first place. There was a remark made about Dutch 'intelligence'... and then 'intelligence'? Like the nation of Holland is stupid or something. I just feel as a Christian this is not right to be making fun of any race or religion, and as my signature line says, all the love for God first and then your neighbor is better than anything else in the world. It's not about the Dutch, or the Extremists of any race or religion as we have enough of that in this country already. But it's about love and making the world a better place. I hope I have made the right point without upsetting anyone. Thank you.
Oh, forgot to add... LewRockwell is a conspiracy theorist and that also is not something that Christians should be reading, whether Ron Paul reads it or not. If your pastor read a blog by someone that was a conspiracy theorist, would you trust him or read the blog because he was your pastor? I just feel this is a mixed bag here and not really on topic for what Christians should be talking about. I'm not for the hippy love type Christianity, but just tell the facts scripturally like they are told in the Bible. No need to make your opinions from what you learned or read from sources that are not truly legitimate. Thank you again.
If I may just add a few words,
This same topic is listed on the forum here: http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22969&hl=
and it is kind of interesting to see two different conversations about the same topic. What I believe David was hinting at was do not make jokes about the Dutch nation, and he described them, while you are making an issue more about the Muslim extremists, which is not what the point was in the first place. There was a remark made about Dutch 'intelligence'... and then 'intelligence'? Like the nation of Holland is stupid or something. I just feel as a Christian this is not right to be making fun of any race or religion, and as my signature line says, all the love for God first and then your neighbor is better than anything else in the world. It's not about the Dutch, or the Extremists of any race or religion as we have enough of that in this country already. But it's about love and making the world a better place. I hope I have made the right point without upsetting anyone. Thank you.
Oh, forgot to add... LewRockwell is a conspiracy theorist and that also is not something that Christians should be reading, whether Ron Paul reads it or not. If your pastor read a blog by someone that was a conspiracy theorist, would you trust him or read the blog because he was your pastor? I just feel this is a mixed bag here and not really on topic for what Christians should be talking about. I'm not for the hippy love type Christianity, but just tell the facts scripturally like they are told in the Bible. No need to make your opinions from what you learned or read from sources that are not truly legitimate. Thank you again.
WWJD...
I did not mean to insinuate that the Dutch were not intelligent. I just have not heard too much about any "Intelligence" coming out of that country since WWII.
They have done some awesome things in the past.
I was just saying that they might want to look in their own back yards to the dangers that are all around them.
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 3 2008, 02:01 AM)
Is it right to denigrate or villlify an entire race of people's based upon the actions of a few? And not only this, but are these *Muslim extremists*, extremists simply based upon their religious values, or do they have other reasons for their angst? Although I do not condone violence or terrorism, I'm also of the opinion that might alone does not make right and there is violence on both sides, regardless of the "why's" or "wherefore's" that the violence is used.
I agree with you David; as christians we do need to be about our Father's business, sharing the good news of the Kingdom and welcoming any person, regardless of race or prior religious affiliation.
God bless you all,
Kim
I agree with you David; as christians we do need to be about our Father's business, sharing the good news of the Kingdom and welcoming any person, regardless of race or prior religious affiliation.
God bless you all,
Kim
Kim....with all due respect to you and all the peace loving people of this country.....(which I am one of them)
There are little children in this nation that need to be PROTECTED from the Islamic ideology.
If the Christian adults in this country think we can just lovingly tell the Muslims about Jesus and they will accept it and be willing to live in peace.....
then they will be sadly mistaken.
The Bible even says there is a time for war. God is not the pacifist that some Christians are making Him out to be.
He sent the Israelies to war more than once in the OT.
You know...I view some fellow believers as very twisted people who live in a dream world. Let me explain why. When it comes to judging others...they jump right on it.
But then when it comes down to fighting an enemy.....they think if we just share our belief in the Lord with them...that they will go peacefully along their way and everything will be okay.
This is not Islam. Judaism and many other religions are not violent like Islam is.
People need to wake up to this fact. This is a real danger and it is our duty as adults to protect our children from them.
I think our children are our responsibility. And if we do not protect them...and keep them from those who would lead them away from Yeshua...then we will answer to God for it.
since when is Christianity bound by borders?
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 02:56 AM)
I did not mean to insinuate that the Dutch were not intelligent. I just have not heard too much about any "Intelligence" coming out of that country since WWII.
That may be an indication of how secretly the Dutch are able to gather their intelligence!
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 02:56 AM)
They have done some awesome things in the past.
Like founding New York for example. The greatest highlights of the Dutch are mostly in the 17th century, also called the "Golden Age".
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 02:56 AM)
I was just saying that they might want to look in their own back yards to the dangers that are all around them.
Hope they do, and what are the definitions of dangers. If a government is allowing things so far from what the Bible says, I hope they are watching the backyard with the right point of view as well, I would expect a right one to be at least religious....
QUOTE (Divinespark @ Sep 4 2008, 11:54 AM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 02:56 AM)
I did not mean to insinuate that the Dutch were not intelligent. I just have not heard too much about any "Intelligence" coming out of that country since WWII.
That may be an indication of how secretly the Dutch are able to gather their intelligence!
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 02:56 AM)
They have done some awesome things in the past.
Like founding New York for example. The greatest highlights of the Dutch are mostly in the 17th century, also called the "Golden Age".
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 02:56 AM)
I was just saying that they might want to look in their own back yards to the dangers that are all around them.
Hope they do, and what are the definitions of dangers. If a government is allowing things so far from what the Bible says, I hope they are watching the backyard with the right point of view as well, I would expect a right one to be at least religious....
Dangers - Allowing Muslims to do as they please when they come into their country. Not realizing what the Muslims intention really is.
If things don't change these countries will no longer be the same nations in 50 to a 100 years. Maybe not even that long.
There are moderate Muslims who have been trying to wake the rest of the world up to this danger. But as I said, its like people are wearing blindfolds over their eyes.
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
since when is Christianity bound by borders?
And as I said.... (not shouting...just making it all caps for emphasis)
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are NOT forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
Chloe, I respect your need for such protectiveness over seemingly everything, as I have read some of your most recent posts and it seems you have a very strong opinion about everything. Relax, let God handle it. Remember that saying, "Hi, this is God, I will be handling all of your problems today". If he cares for the flowers and the birds and the trees, how much more does he care for us? I personally think you are worrying a bit too much and there isn't much you as one person can do. Focus on your children (you said you had two?)... and don't sweat the stuff you can't control. Just trying to help. Relax.. God is in control.
Just trying to help. Relax.. God is in control.
WWJD....
You kind of take this correcting tone with myself and another poster from what I have seen.
If you are this one person who has come back.....welcome. I've been expecting you.
Either way....if you are this person or not...
Perhaps you should also be reminded that this is a forum and everyone can post their thoughts about issues.
And you can be assured that we will not always agree.
And yes....I have actually been getting an education by some key people that work for and have worked for the Government.
So I am a little sensitive in some areas.
Sleeping Christians who think we can just pat the Muslims on the back and not protect our interests, bother me the most.
I expect ignorance from the lost. But not fellow believers.
You kind of take this correcting tone with myself and another poster from what I have seen.
If you are this one person who has come back.....welcome. I've been expecting you.
Either way....if you are this person or not...
Perhaps you should also be reminded that this is a forum and everyone can post their thoughts about issues.
And you can be assured that we will not always agree.
And yes....I have actually been getting an education by some key people that work for and have worked for the Government.
So I am a little sensitive in some areas.
Sleeping Christians who think we can just pat the Muslims on the back and not protect our interests, bother me the most.
I expect ignorance from the lost. But not fellow believers.
I am not the poster you are expecting and I do respect your comments. I am however, not ignorant about current events, you seem to now be judging me about being one of the lost. Quite the opposite, and I don't expect that kind of comment from another believer either.
I'm sorry if you took this the wrong way. You just seem to be quite out of sorts on some topics for reasons that could be totally just your personality.
Of course everyone can post what they want, I understand that, and I know not everyone will see the same about every topic.
Forgive me, I will try not to post anything that is sensitive to you.
I'm sorry if you took this the wrong way. You just seem to be quite out of sorts on some topics for reasons that could be totally just your personality.
Of course everyone can post what they want, I understand that, and I know not everyone will see the same about every topic.
Forgive me, I will try not to post anything that is sensitive to you.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 3 2008, 07:13 PM)
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 3 2008, 02:01 AM)
Is it right to denigrate or villlify an entire race of people's based upon the actions of a few? And not only this, but are these *Muslim extremists*, extremists simply based upon their religious values, or do they have other reasons for their angst? Although I do not condone violence or terrorism, I'm also of the opinion that might alone does not make right and there is violence on both sides, regardless of the "why's" or "wherefore's" that the violence is used.
I agree with you David; as christians we do need to be about our Father's business, sharing the good news of the Kingdom and welcoming any person, regardless of race or prior religious affiliation.
God bless you all,
Kim
I agree with you David; as christians we do need to be about our Father's business, sharing the good news of the Kingdom and welcoming any person, regardless of race or prior religious affiliation.
God bless you all,
Kim
Kim....with all due respect to you and all the peace loving people of this country.....(which I am one of them)
There are little children in this nation that need to be PROTECTED from the Islamic ideology.
If the Christian adults in this country think we can just lovingly tell the Muslims about Jesus and they will accept it and be willing to live in peace.....
then they will be sadly mistaken.
The Bible even says there is a time for war. God is not the pacifist that some Christians are making Him out to be.
He sent the Israelies to war more than once in the OT.
You know...I view some fellow believers as very twisted people who live in a dream world. Let me explain why. When it comes to judging others...they jump right on it.
But then when it comes down to fighting an enemy.....they think if we just share our belief in the Lord with them...that they will go peacefully along their way and everything will be okay.
This is not Islam. Judaism and many other religions are not violent like Islam is.
People need to wake up to this fact. This is a real danger and it is our duty as adults to protect our children from them.
I think our children are our responsibility. And if we do not protect them...and keep them from those who would lead them away from Yeshua...then we will answer to God for it.
Hi Cindy,
I'm not offended that you have a different opinion than me...
I just view things differently. I don't believe the only issue is related to religious beliefs, in sincerity. I believe that if the US would keep it's nose out of other country's business...then we wouldn't have the problems we see today. What's wrong with them having their religion? Why is that our business? And, I don't see the threat against our children as much as I see the threat of death to their children from our bombing...to be honest with you.
You believe that we are not a violent nation, but from the perspective of those who have lost their lives and homes and infrastructure due to our nation's ruthless bombing campaigns, I'm sure they'd disagree. I do not believe that Saddam was any threat to our own nation....and therefore we had no right to go over there and do what we did. I do not consider this a "pacifist" mentality, but rather prudent. If our own nation is directly being attacked, I see no problem with us retaliating...but Saddam didn't attack us. Not only this, but we must be willing to examine all the issues surrounding why people are willing to resort to terrorism. It is not simply religious ideology that is instigating these attacks.
With our military bases circling the globe, and our CIA getting into the affairs of countless govts including installing/removing puppet heads of state in various countries (mainly for our own financial benefit) and the injustices which occur to the citizenry due to those *covert* US actions...you bet people are not going to sit down and swallow it all...there will be retaliation from their side too.
Our govt loves to villify certain people's in order to shift the blame away from their own wrongdoings. And it's genuinely grievious that the church at large doesn't see through the propoganda/spin that our govt feeds the people.
God bless you,
Kim
Thank you, Kim. I didn't articulate that as well, but yes, this is the gist of it, the church can't see it and the government is in way over its head. I respect your comment!
The Word says that you shall have no fear.
I find much delight in that the Love for God far surpasses my hypothetical fear of any enemy.
Was it not called Faith, a mandatory ingredient for Salvation?
I find much delight in that the Love for God far surpasses my hypothetical fear of any enemy.
Was it not called Faith, a mandatory ingredient for Salvation?
Thanks so much WWJD...it's a rare thing indeed to find a like mind on this topic, especially in a christian arena.
God bless you,
Kim
Esteviento....Amen!
God bless you,
Kim
Esteviento....Amen!
Kim,
You're welcome. And Esteviento, welcome! Good questions you are asking! I'm new here too! yes, it is nice to find like mindedness. In these days we should all gather together but I know that is not always the way it is, even in the churches we attend.
You're welcome. And Esteviento, welcome! Good questions you are asking! I'm new here too! yes, it is nice to find like mindedness. In these days we should all gather together but I know that is not always the way it is, even in the churches we attend.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
since when is Christianity bound by borders?
And as I said.... (not shouting...just making it all caps for emphasis)
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.........Who died and made the US, God of the earth? Your words: " Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.Who is being forced here? Who is being killed...in our country? What business is it of ours to tell others how to rule their country? What right do we have to tell them (in their own country at that!)..."It's our way or the highway!".
It is precisely this mentality that is putting our nation at risk.
The last time I looked, America isn't being over-ran by Islamic crusaders....please...step back and consider.
God bless you,
Kim
Well WhatWouldJesusDoToday, thank you for making me feel at ease, I am not used to this type of conversation, so I am a bit nervous.
Heya seems we already have a groupgathering, so there is hope, I hope?
Reaching out is already a form of Jesus manifesting in you
Heya seems we already have a groupgathering, so there is hope, I hope?
Reaching out is already a form of Jesus manifesting in you
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 4 2008, 03:19 PM)
Kim,
You're welcome. And Esteviento, welcome! Good questions you are asking! I'm new here too! yes, it is nice to find like mindedness. In these days we should all gather together but I know that is not always the way it is, even in the churches we attend.
You're welcome. And Esteviento, welcome! Good questions you are asking! I'm new here too! yes, it is nice to find like mindedness. In these days we should all gather together but I know that is not always the way it is, even in the churches we attend.
Very true... and thanks WWJD...it's so hard to find a fellowship or believers who are open to discussing or believing the way we believe...it is extremely rare.
God bless you,
Kim
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 4 2008, 03:28 PM)
Well WhatWouldJesusDoToday, thank you for making me feel at ease, I am not used to this type of conversation, so I am a bit nervous.
Heya seems we already have a groupgathering, so there is hope, I hope?
Reaching out is already a form of Jesus manifesting in you
Heya seems we already have a groupgathering, so there is hope, I hope?
Reaching out is already a form of Jesus manifesting in you
!!!...and yes, it is nice to have a sweet gathering with hope...thank you Lord!
Well, (blush), I don't know what I did to deserve that. I guess I haven't been here long enough to understand that there are many differences. I hope not! God's blessings!
I didn't see the second part of your comment...
I'm glad you feel welcome Esteviento, very rarely do people always see eye to eye. I am glad to find a place where some do, and there is sweet fellowship.
Bless you both!
God's blessings!I didn't see the second part of your comment...
I'm glad you feel welcome Esteviento, very rarely do people always see eye to eye. I am glad to find a place where some do, and there is sweet fellowship.
Bless you both!
...gotta run...bbl!
LOL...it's not that bad...but I have seen some hackles raised from time to time...whatever you do though...stick it out if somebody vehemently disagrees with you (believe me, it'll eventually happen)...but stay true to your conscience and stick around...there are people who will see eye to eye with you. This is a great forum and glad you found it!
LOL...it's not that bad...but I have seen some hackles raised from time to time...whatever you do though...stick it out if somebody vehemently disagrees with you (believe me, it'll eventually happen)...but stay true to your conscience and stick around...there are people who will see eye to eye with you. This is a great forum and glad you found it!
Thanks for the advice Kim. I'm glad to make some friends here.
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 5 2008, 05:53 AM)
I am not the poster you are expecting and I do respect your comments. I am however, not ignorant about current events, you seem to now be judging me about being one of the lost. Quite the opposite, and I don't expect that kind of comment from another believer either.
I'm sorry if you took this the wrong way. You just seem to be quite out of sorts on some topics for reasons that could be totally just your personality.
Of course everyone can post what they want, I understand that, and I know not everyone will see the same about every topic.
Forgive me, I will try not to post anything that is sensitive to you.
I'm sorry if you took this the wrong way. You just seem to be quite out of sorts on some topics for reasons that could be totally just your personality.
Of course everyone can post what they want, I understand that, and I know not everyone will see the same about every topic.
Forgive me, I will try not to post anything that is sensitive to you.
Are you the poster formerly called IrishRose?
?
QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 5 2008, 04:29 AM)
Chloe, I respect your need for such protectiveness over seemingly everything, as I have read some of your most recent posts and it seems you have a very strong opinion about everything. Relax, let God handle it. Remember that saying, "Hi, this is God, I will be handling all of your problems today". If he cares for the flowers and the birds and the trees, how much more does he care for us? I personally think you are worrying a bit too much and there isn't much you as one person can do. Focus on your children (you said you had two?)... and don't sweat the stuff you can't control. Just trying to help. Relax.. God is in control.
Just trying to help. Relax.. God is in control.Irish Rose, have you returned?
?
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 4 2008, 04:25 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
since when is Christianity bound by borders?
And as I said.... (not shouting...just making it all caps for emphasis)
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.........Who died and made the US, God of the earth? Your words: " Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.Who is being forced here? Who is being killed...in our country? What business is it of ours to tell others how to rule their country? What right do we have to tell them (in their own country at that!)..."It's our way or the highway!".
It is precisely this mentality that is putting our nation at risk.
The last time I looked, America isn't being over-ran by Islamic crusaders....please...step back and consider.
God bless you,
Kim
Kim....
I am not talking about going into other countries and telling them how to live.
(the upper case words are only for emphasis....not yelling)
I'M TALKING ABOUT MUSLIMS THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR NATION. I AM TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING THE CHILDREN AND THE YOUTH OF THIS NATION.
They can take care of their own business and their own people. WE need to be concerned about OUR children and their future.
I like this parable of the Ten Virgins. It reminds me of how "asleep" so many Christians are.
Matthew 25
25:1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins
who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
25:2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
25:3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
25:4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
25:5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
25:6 And at midnight a cry was heard:
'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
25:7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
25:8 And the foolish said to the wise,
'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
25:9 But the wise answered, saying,
'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you;
but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came,
And those who were ready went in with him to the wedding;
and the door was shut.
25:11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying,
'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
25:12 But he answered and said,
'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
25:13 Watch therefore,
for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
I consider this blindness concerning the dangers of Islam as sign of those who will be asleep when Yeshua comes.
I am not saying that we do not witness to them. We should.
I am not saying that we tell them they cannot practice their faith. They should have that right.
I AM SAYING THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THEM PUSHING THEIR WILL ON THE REST OF US OR THREATENING US IN ANY WAY.
And their fanatical teachings also should be monitored. Anything religion that condones the violence that Islam does should be watched....very carefully.
Who is Irish Rose?
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 5 2008, 08:35 PM)
Who is Irish Rose?
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Isaiah 48:16
Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. Luke 12:3
Is Irish Rose a prophet? Thank you for the explanation!
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 5 2008, 11:33 PM)
Is Irish Rose a prophet? Thank you for the explanation!
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=231574
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 10:01 PM)
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 4 2008, 04:25 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
since when is Christianity bound by borders?
And as I said.... (not shouting...just making it all caps for emphasis)
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.........Who died and made the US, God of the earth? Your words: " Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.Who is being forced here? Who is being killed...in our country? What business is it of ours to tell others how to rule their country? What right do we have to tell them (in their own country at that!)..."It's our way or the highway!".
It is precisely this mentality that is putting our nation at risk.
The last time I looked, America isn't being over-ran by Islamic crusaders....please...step back and consider.
God bless you,
Kim
Kim....
I am not talking about going into other countries and telling them how to live.
(the upper case words are only for emphasis....not yelling)
I'M TALKING ABOUT MUSLIMS THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR NATION. I AM TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING THE CHILDREN AND THE YOUTH OF THIS NATION.
They can take care of their own business and their own people. WE need to be concerned about OUR children and their future.
I like this parable of the Ten Virgins. It reminds me of how "asleep" so many Christians are.
Matthew 25
25:1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins
who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
25:2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
25:3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
25:4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
25:5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
25:6 And at midnight a cry was heard:
'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
25:7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
25:8 And the foolish said to the wise,
'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
25:9 But the wise answered, saying,
'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you;
but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came,
And those who were ready went in with him to the wedding;
and the door was shut.
25:11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying,
'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
25:12 But he answered and said,
'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
25:13 Watch therefore,
for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
.
I am not saying that we do not witness to them. We should.
I am not saying that we tell them they cannot practice their faith. They should have that right.
I AM SAYING THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THEM PUSHING THEIR WILL ON THE REST OF US OR THREATENING US IN ANY WAY.
And their fanatical teachings also should be monitored. Anything religion that condones the violence that Islam does should be watched....very carefully.
It's ok, cap me all you want...
In sincerity, I don't see the threat here in our country either, or that they are pushing their will upon us in this country. I think some people have become overly anxious over Islam...and some use Islam as a pre-text for aggression as well.
Also, the verses you brought forward concerning the 10 virgins; I consider the oil being mentioned as referring to the degree which believers allow God's Spirit access into their lives. This can only be accomplished by laying aside the old nature and putting on the new man...the new man bears fruit to God...patience, long-suffering, hope, joy, peace, love, meekness, not rendering insult for insult, but bringing forth a blessing and this is what we are called to. Love is not easily offended, keeps no record of wrongs, bears all things, hopes all things, believes...etc. If we are lacking these fruits in our lives we need to pursue them dilligently, not giving heed to doctrines of men and demons, purging ourselves of the leaven of the Pharisees, and pursuing peace (for we are called to this). The world (although it claims it is pursuing peace) bears a different fruit, a fruit of discord, a fruit of death, a fruit of war, a fruit of hate and so on. Not only this but perfect love casts out all fear.
How this equates with your thoughts of : "I consider this blindness concerning the dangers of Islam as sign of those who will be asleep when Yeshua comes"
....I don't see it that way...sincerely.
God bless you,
Kim
CHLOE...I'M WITH YOU ON THIS. I SUSPECT THEY ARE HERE TO TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY. I WATCH THEM LIKE A HAWK.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (chrio39 @ Sep 2 2008, 09:09 PM)
Let's not forget about the Dutch resistance in WW2, brave loyal souls, and those few clergy who stood against Hitler's absorption of their country and pressure on the church to accept compromise with the devil. Here in America we've enough compromisers and appeasers, along with a largely apostate church. We've a growing muslim influence here as well.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
David...
I agree with you about it being a very good opportunity for us to witness to those that will listen. There are many Moderate Muslims that are absolutely no problem.
However...what we are finding is that some come over here under the guise of being a "moderate" when they are really "radical".
The serious Muslims are PROHIBITED in their beliefs to integrate. Their primary responsibility is to the "Umah (the Muslim Nation).
They are not here to integrate into the United States. They are here to take over our country.
They believe in the Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
The Muslims have many opportunities to hear about Yeshua....even in their own countries.
And I believe that for those who the Holy Spirit calls....they will seek Him out if they listen.
At the same time...we must be on guard here in our own nation.
In Holland....A Muslim stabbed and killed the grandson of Vincent Van Gough. You know what happend to this Muslim? He just got locked in prison. He killed this man because he didn't like something he put up.
These people that are radical do not abide by the laws we have in this land. I am not willing to allow them access so that they can rape my daughters or my dog. You would not believe some of the filthy threats they make.
One Muslim threated a friend of mine in Florida and threatened to rape his wife, his daughters, his sons and then his dog.
God bless the Americans that can see this for what it really is and are not willing to lie down and let them take over.
You will not be able to worship our God if they do. You will be made to practice Islam instead.
Nation after nation that has let them come in, in droves, has ended up paying a big price for it.
I believe it was Seria who used to be a Christian nation until they allowed Muslims to come in. And by having many children.....the Muslims overtook the Christians by sheer number. It is no longer a Christian nation.
Their intention is for Islam to RULE the whole world.
And I am shocked with all the information that is available...that Americans and people are not awake to this fact. It is like a very large blindfold is over everyones eyes.
I don't know what its going to take to change it.
I heard on the News the other day that in fifty years...that whites will be the minority in America. That, in itself, does not really bother me that much. But what did was when they said that it was the Muslim population that is the fastest growing.
You may not think they have an agenda......but I DO!
These videos are pretty "enlightening"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpJC3f3UHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SyKGqGv8C8...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv2XmGc4Xn4...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoT0sHeRpU
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 7 2008, 02:02 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 10:01 PM)
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 4 2008, 04:25 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
since when is Christianity bound by borders?
And as I said.... (not shouting...just making it all caps for emphasis)
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.........Who died and made the US, God of the earth? Your words: " Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.Who is being forced here? Who is being killed...in our country? What business is it of ours to tell others how to rule their country? What right do we have to tell them (in their own country at that!)..."It's our way or the highway!".
It is precisely this mentality that is putting our nation at risk.
The last time I looked, America isn't being over-ran by Islamic crusaders....please...step back and consider.
God bless you,
Kim
Kim....
I am not talking about going into other countries and telling them how to live.
(the upper case words are only for emphasis....not yelling)
I'M TALKING ABOUT MUSLIMS THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR NATION. I AM TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING THE CHILDREN AND THE YOUTH OF THIS NATION.
They can take care of their own business and their own people. WE need to be concerned about OUR children and their future.
I like this parable of the Ten Virgins. It reminds me of how "asleep" so many Christians are.
Matthew 25
25:1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins
who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
25:2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
25:3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
25:4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
25:5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
25:6 And at midnight a cry was heard:
'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
25:7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
25:8 And the foolish said to the wise,
'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
25:9 But the wise answered, saying,
'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you;
but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came,
And those who were ready went in with him to the wedding;
and the door was shut.
25:11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying,
'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
25:12 But he answered and said,
'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
25:13 Watch therefore,
for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
.
I am not saying that we do not witness to them. We should.
I am not saying that we tell them they cannot practice their faith. They should have that right.
I AM SAYING THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THEM PUSHING THEIR WILL ON THE REST OF US OR THREATENING US IN ANY WAY.
And their fanatical teachings also should be monitored. Anything religion that condones the violence that Islam does should be watched....very carefully.
It's ok, cap me all you want...
In sincerity, I don't see the threat here in our country either, or that they are pushing their will upon us in this country. I think some people have become overly anxious over Islam...and some use Islam as a pre-text for aggression as well.
Also, the verses you brought forward concerning the 10 virgins; I consider the oil being mentioned as referring to the degree which believers allow God's Spirit access into their lives. This can only be accomplished by laying aside the old nature and putting on the new man...the new man bears fruit to God...patience, long-suffering, hope, joy, peace, love, meekness, not rendering insult for insult, but bringing forth a blessing and this is what we are called to. Love is not easily offended, keeps no record of wrongs, bears all things, hopes all things, believes...etc. If we are lacking these fruits in our lives we need to pursue them dilligently, not giving heed to doctrines of men and demons, purging ourselves of the leaven of the Pharisees, and pursuing peace (for we are called to this). The world (although it claims it is pursuing peace) bears a different fruit, a fruit of discord, a fruit of death, a fruit of war, a fruit of hate and so on. Not only this but perfect love casts out all fear.
How this equates with your thoughts of : "I consider this blindness concerning the dangers of Islam as sign of those who will be asleep when Yeshua comes"
....I don't see it that way...sincerely.
God bless you,
Kim
With all due respect to you Kim.... (and here come the caps
)YOUR NOT PAYING VERY GOOD ATTENTION IF YOU DON'T SEE THE DANGER!
As I said...there is a blindfold over the eyes of many people and I think this is a spiritual blindness that is coming over believers even.
The line in the sand is becoming more and more pronounced, and the goats are being separated from the sheep.
I don't know what else to say about your thoughts on this except.... they are WRONG!
QUOTE (hope @ Sep 7 2008, 08:51 PM)
CHLOE...I'M WITH YOU ON THIS. I SUSPECT THEY ARE HERE TO TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY. I WATCH THEM LIKE A HAWK.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 2 2008, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (chrio39 @ Sep 2 2008, 09:09 PM)
Let's not forget about the Dutch resistance in WW2, brave loyal souls, and those few clergy who stood against Hitler's absorption of their country and pressure on the church to accept compromise with the devil. Here in America we've enough compromisers and appeasers, along with a largely apostate church. We've a growing muslim influence here as well.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
Shouldn't we be glad they're here, that they may become aquainted with those who are to be called salt and light? They're on our turf, shame on us if we don't introduce them to Christ being formed in us.
David...
I agree with you about it being a very good opportunity for us to witness to those that will listen. There are many Moderate Muslims that are absolutely no problem.
However...what we are finding is that some come over here under the guise of being a "moderate" when they are really "radical".
The serious Muslims are PROHIBITED in their beliefs to integrate. Their primary responsibility is to the "Umah (the Muslim Nation).
They are not here to integrate into the United States. They are here to take over our country.
They believe in the Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
The Muslims have many opportunities to hear about Yeshua....even in their own countries.
And I believe that for those who the Holy Spirit calls....they will seek Him out if they listen.
At the same time...we must be on guard here in our own nation.
In Holland....A Muslim stabbed and killed the grandson of Vincent Van Gough. You know what happend to this Muslim? He just got locked in prison. He killed this man because he didn't like something he put up.
These people that are radical do not abide by the laws we have in this land. I am not willing to allow them access so that they can rape my daughters or my dog. You would not believe some of the filthy threats they make.
One Muslim threated a friend of mine in Florida and threatened to rape his wife, his daughters, his sons and then his dog.
God bless the Americans that can see this for what it really is and are not willing to lie down and let them take over.
You will not be able to worship our God if they do. You will be made to practice Islam instead.
Nation after nation that has let them come in, in droves, has ended up paying a big price for it.
I believe it was Seria who used to be a Christian nation until they allowed Muslims to come in. And by having many children.....the Muslims overtook the Christians by sheer number. It is no longer a Christian nation.
Their intention is for Islam to RULE the whole world.
And I am shocked with all the information that is available...that Americans and people are not awake to this fact. It is like a very large blindfold is over everyones eyes.
I don't know what its going to take to change it.
I heard on the News the other day that in fifty years...that whites will be the minority in America. That, in itself, does not really bother me that much. But what did was when they said that it was the Muslim population that is the fastest growing.
You may not think they have an agenda......but I DO!
These videos are pretty "enlightening"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpJC3f3UHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SyKGqGv8C8...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv2XmGc4Xn4...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoT0sHeRpU
Thank you Hope. Its doesn't actually take much effort to educate oneself about all this.
Maybe if some would watch the real news instead of Oprah...they might learn a thing or two. (not refering to Chrio39 in this post)
It is on the news fairly regularly and stories are all over the net and youtube.
I was trying to find the one I had heard about a little while ago about two suspected terrorists that were casing a refinery in Louisiana. I didn't find that one but this other. There is so much about all this.
And I am very confindent that Obama would not do much about this safety issue. And I think McCain will.
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Terrorists Possibly Targeting Texas
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Federal homeland security officials have informed Texas law enforcement of intelligence gathered from suspected al Qaeda operatives discussing potential terrorism in the state next month. Homeland security officials are reviewing the information eavesdropped earlier this month from two suspected al Qaeda operatives discussing potential terrorism in Texas timed for the July Fourth weekend.
Although the information did not specify a target, an exact time or a type of terrorist attack, officials were concerned about oil or gas facilities and pipelines because al Qaeda terrorists in the past have discussed attacking the energy sector as a way of damaging America's economy.
"We are currently in the process of assessing the credibility of the report concerning Texas," an official with the Department of Homeland Security told Houston Chronicle. "We have informed the authorities in Texas of the information we received and told them we were trying to determine its credibility."
Texas' refineries, many located in Southeast, account for 25 percent of U.S. capacity. The nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve is kept in a series of salt caverns along the Gulf Coast at the Louisiana-Texas border. Officials have said Houston, the nation's fourth-largest city, remains a possible target because of its population, oil refining capacity and the Port of Houston.
Published reports have outlined references to Internet chat room conversations, with a possible al Qaeda operative known as "Sakr" saying an attack had been planned for a long time and that terrorists inside the U.S. were only waiting for approval from a man dubbed "the Sheik" before striking in early July. Intelligence analysts had said Sakr had sent a message predicting "good news" coming from Morocco shortly before a successful terrorist strike in that country.
The FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center in October issued two detailed warnings to private oil companies in the Houston area that "recent statements, apparently by al Qaeda leaders" indicated that terrorists were targeting the U.S. economic backbone, including oil and gas industry facilities. The FBI, as part of the alert in October, suggested that private companies increase their security and make security more visible. Source: AP
http://www.policeone.com/terrorism/article...argeting-Texas/
And as I said.... (not shouting...just making it all caps for emphasis)
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are NOT forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
I'm re-posting this comment Kim because I left out a KEY word "NOT" in my previous post.
Our children depend on us adults to protect them from religions that will lead them away from the One true God. Islam says that all non Muslims will either convert or be killed. This is what they believe.
I consider that a DANGER especially when they come over here and build their Mosques and plant sleeper cells and it is found (by a certain Government employee that I used to talk to who speaks their language fluently) that they are chatting away and posting messages on the net talking about attacks on the U.S. His job is to monitor certain chats and forums and FIND out what is being said.
And there are several that are doing this.
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are NOT forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
I'm re-posting this comment Kim because I left out a KEY word "NOT" in my previous post.
Our children depend on us adults to protect them from religions that will lead them away from the One true God. Islam says that all non Muslims will either convert or be killed. This is what they believe.
I consider that a DANGER especially when they come over here and build their Mosques and plant sleeper cells and it is found (by a certain Government employee that I used to talk to who speaks their language fluently) that they are chatting away and posting messages on the net talking about attacks on the U.S. His job is to monitor certain chats and forums and FIND out what is being said.
And there are several that are doing this.
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 7 2008, 08:41 PM)
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 7 2008, 02:02 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 10:01 PM)
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 4 2008, 04:25 PM)
QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
since when is Christianity bound by borders?
And as I said.... (not shouting...just making it all caps for emphasis)
IT IS OUR DUTY AS ADULTS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM HARM.
The Islamic Ideology believes in Caliphate (Islamic Kingdom) ruling the world.
They believe that is their primary responsibility to bring into subjugation all the Infidels (those who do not follow Islam) and make them either convert...or be killed.
If you love your children....if you love your family....you WILL NOT allow this to happen.
We have a duty to protect the innocent from being lead away to Satan.
This religion does not follow the same God of the Hebrews and Christians.
Yes...the Muslims NEED to be saved. They NEED Yeshua. And we can share that with them. AT THE SAME TIME....we must make them aware that their beliefs will NOT BE TOLERATED.
They need to know that it is OUR way or the highway! And that Sharia Law is not ever going to be allowed in this country.
If your not willing to protect the innocent ones....I think you will be answering to God one day for it.
Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.
Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.........Who died and made the US, God of the earth? Your words: " Our children depend on US to do the right thing NOW so that they can live in a world where they are forced to believe in a false god or be killed.Who is being forced here? Who is being killed...in our country? What business is it of ours to tell others how to rule their country? What right do we have to tell them (in their own country at that!)..."It's our way or the highway!".
It is precisely this mentality that is putting our nation at risk.
The last time I looked, America isn't being over-ran by Islamic crusaders....please...step back and consider.
God bless you,
Kim
Kim....
I am not talking about going into other countries and telling them how to live.
(the upper case words are only for emphasis....not yelling)
I'M TALKING ABOUT MUSLIMS THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR NATION. I AM TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING THE CHILDREN AND THE YOUTH OF THIS NATION.
They can take care of their own business and their own people. WE need to be concerned about OUR children and their future.
I like this parable of the Ten Virgins. It reminds me of how "asleep" so many Christians are.
Matthew 25
25:1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins
who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
25:2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
25:3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
25:4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
25:5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
25:6 And at midnight a cry was heard:
'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
25:7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
25:8 And the foolish said to the wise,
'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
25:9 But the wise answered, saying,
'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you;
but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came,
And those who were ready went in with him to the wedding;
and the door was shut.
25:11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying,
'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
25:12 But he answered and said,
'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
25:13 Watch therefore,
for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
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I am not saying that we do not witness to them. We should.
I am not saying that we tell them they cannot practice their faith. They should have that right.
I AM SAYING THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THEM PUSHING THEIR WILL ON THE REST OF US OR THREATENING US IN ANY WAY.
And their fanatical teachings also should be monitored. Anything religion that condones the violence that Islam does should be watched....very carefully.
It's ok, cap me all you want...
In sincerity, I don't see the threat here in our country either, or that they are pushing their will upon us in this country. I think some people have become overly anxious over Islam...and some use Islam as a pre-text for aggression as well.
Also, the verses you brought forward concerning the 10 virgins; I consider the oil being mentioned as referring to the degree which believers allow God's Spirit access into their lives. This can only be accomplished by laying aside the old nature and putting on the new man...the new man bears fruit to God...patience, long-suffering, hope, joy, peace, love, meekness, not rendering insult for insult, but bringing forth a blessing and this is what we are called to. Love is not easily offended, keeps no record of wrongs, bears all things, hopes all things, believes...etc. If we are lacking these fruits in our lives we need to pursue them dilligently, not giving heed to doctrines of men and demons, purging ourselves of the leaven of the Pharisees, and pursuing peace (for we are called to this). The world (although it claims it is pursuing peace) bears a different fruit, a fruit of discord, a fruit of death, a fruit of war, a fruit of hate and so on. Not only this but perfect love casts out all fear.
How this equates with your thoughts of : "I consider this blindness concerning the dangers of Islam as sign of those who will be asleep when Yeshua comes"
....I don't see it that way...sincerely.
God bless you,
Kim
With all due respect to you Kim.... (and here come the caps
)YOUR NOT PAYING VERY GOOD ATTENTION IF YOU DON'T SEE THE DANGER!
As I said...there is a blindfold over the eyes of many people and I think this is a spiritual blindness that is coming over believers even.
The line in the sand is becoming more and more pronounced, and the goats are being separated from the sheep.
I don't know what else to say about your thoughts on this except.... they are WRONG!
Cindy...am I to take your words to insinuate that I'm a goat because I don't agree with you? Your words are a bit grievious dear one.
I firmly believe my spiritual eyes are open...in sincerity.
God bless you,
Kim
.....and I'd like to add that I firmly do not believe those thoughts I shared about the 10 virgins are wrong. I believe it is exceptionally wrong to drag spiritual principals down to the base level of fallen man's mindset. This highly devalues the SPIRITUAL IMPORT of God's word.
Any reaction, born out of the fear for evil, is understandable,
but God says:
All occurences of "Trust in God":
Deut.32
[37] And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
Ruth.2
[12] The LORD recompense thy work, and a full reward be given thee of the LORD God of Israel, under whose wings thou art come to trust.
2Sam.22
[3] The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
[31] As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.
2Kgs.18
[5] He trusted in the LORD God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor any that were before him.
[21] Now, behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt, on which if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharoah king of Egypt unto all that trust on him.
[22] But if ye say unto me, We trust in the LORD our God: is not that he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and hath said to Judah and Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar in Jerusalem?
2Kgs.19
[10] Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God in whom thou trustest deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.
1Chr.5
[20] And they were helped against them, and the Hagarites were delivered into their hand, and all that were with them: for they cried to God in the battle, and he was intreated of them; because they put their trust in him.
Job.4
[18] Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:
Pss.7
[1] O Lord my God, in thee do I put my trust: save me from all them that persecute me, and deliver me:
Pss.16
[1] Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust.
Pss.18
[2] The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
[30] As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
Pss.25
[2] O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.
Pss.31
[6] I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.
[14] But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said, Thou art my God.
Pss.40
[3] And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.
Pss.52
[7] Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.
[8] But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
Pss.56
[3] What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee.
[4] In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.
[11] In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.
Pss.57
[1] Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.
Pss.61
[4] I will abide in thy tabernacle for ever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah.
Pss.62
[8] Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.
Pss.73
[28] But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.
Pss.78
[22] Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:
Pss.86
[2] Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee.
Pss.91
[2] I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Pss.141
[8] But mine eyes are unto thee, O GOD the Lord: in thee is my trust; leave not my soul destitute.
Pss.146
[3] Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Prov.3
[5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Prov.30
[5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Isa.36
[6] Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.
[7] But if thou say to me, We trust in the LORD our God: is it not he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and said to Judah and to Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar?
Isa.37
[10] Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God, in whom thou trustest, deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.
Isa.42
[17] They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Isa.50
[10] Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.
Jer.46
[25] The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saith; Behold, I will punish the multitude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their gods, and their kings; even Pharaoh, and all them that trust in him:
Ezek.16
[15] But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
Sus.1
[60] With that all the assembly cried out with a loud voice, and praised God, who saveth them that trust in him.
Matt.27
[43] He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Mark.10
[24] And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Rom.15
[12] And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
2Cor.1
[9] But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Cor.3
[4] And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor.5
[11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
2Cor.13
[6] But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
1Thes.2
[4] But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
1Tim.4
[10] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Tim.5
[5] Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
1Tim.6
[17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
Heb.2
[13] And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
but God says:
All occurences of "Trust in God":
Deut.32
[37] And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
Ruth.2
[12] The LORD recompense thy work, and a full reward be given thee of the LORD God of Israel, under whose wings thou art come to trust.
2Sam.22
[3] The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
[31] As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.
2Kgs.18
[5] He trusted in the LORD God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor any that were before him.
[21] Now, behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt, on which if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharoah king of Egypt unto all that trust on him.
[22] But if ye say unto me, We trust in the LORD our God: is not that he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and hath said to Judah and Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar in Jerusalem?
2Kgs.19
[10] Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God in whom thou trustest deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.
1Chr.5
[20] And they were helped against them, and the Hagarites were delivered into their hand, and all that were with them: for they cried to God in the battle, and he was intreated of them; because they put their trust in him.
Job.4
[18] Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:
Pss.7
[1] O Lord my God, in thee do I put my trust: save me from all them that persecute me, and deliver me:
Pss.16
[1] Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust.
Pss.18
[2] The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
[30] As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
Pss.25
[2] O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.
Pss.31
[6] I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.
[14] But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said, Thou art my God.
Pss.40
[3] And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.
Pss.52
[7] Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.
[8] But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
Pss.56
[3] What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee.
[4] In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.
[11] In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.
Pss.57
[1] Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.
Pss.61
[4] I will abide in thy tabernacle for ever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah.
Pss.62
[8] Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.
Pss.73
[28] But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.
Pss.78
[22] Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:
Pss.86
[2] Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee.
Pss.91
[2] I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Pss.141
[8] But mine eyes are unto thee, O GOD the Lord: in thee is my trust; leave not my soul destitute.
Pss.146
[3] Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Prov.3
[5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Prov.30
[5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Isa.36
[6] Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.
[7] But if thou say to me, We trust in the LORD our God: is it not he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and said to Judah and to Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar?
Isa.37
[10] Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God, in whom thou trustest, deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.
Isa.42
[17] They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Isa.50
[10] Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.
Jer.46
[25] The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saith; Behold, I will punish the multitude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their gods, and their kings; even Pharaoh, and all them that trust in him:
Ezek.16
[15] But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
Sus.1
[60] With that all the assembly cried out with a loud voice, and praised God, who saveth them that trust in him.
Matt.27
[43] He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Mark.10
[24] And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Rom.15
[12] And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
2Cor.1
[9] But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Cor.3
[4] And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor.5
[11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
2Cor.13
[6] But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
1Thes.2
[4] But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
1Tim.4
[10] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Tim.5
[5] Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
1Tim.6
[17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
Heb.2
[13] And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
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