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Spirit Filled One

Sep 5 2008, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (gr82bsaved @ Sep 5 2008, 09:19 AM)

Chris,

Are you saying then that Christians - you know, REAL believers in CHRIST - should not vote then?

I think GOD gave us a vote to use, not bury in the ground and accomplish nothing.

If you fail to vote for the best candidate presented through prayerful consideration then the wrong person or group assumes power.

What is the value in that?

GOD IS IN CONTROL. However, like the issue of salvation, a person does not have to accept CHRIST (and receive eternal life) and does not have to vote. But those actions lead to a bad end - eternal death and the wrong people running the country.

If we do not use what GOD has given us, then HE will take it away and give it someone else:

Mt 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strowed:
Mt 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mt 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strowed:
Mt 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mt 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mt 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

gr82bsaved

Matthew 25 is not about money or politics.

So many Christians quote Matt 25 in order to make a point with regard to earthly things that they feel that the Lord has given to them.

If you begin in Matt 24, Jesus begins by speaking of all of the false Christs that will come, and then he goes on to tell us hao many will be deceived and the result will be 2 in the field and one is taken and one is left, 2 at the mill and one is taken and the other is left.
He tell us then in 24:42 to “watch” because we do not know what hour that our Lord is coming.

Then at the end of 24 and into 25, He tells us about those that begin to think and act wickedly saying that their master has delayed His coming and they begin to beat the servants and drink with the drunkards.

In chapter 25, Jesus tells us what we can compare the kingdom of heaven to and in doing so He gives us a picture of what that kingdom is all about. It is about many that profess to know Christ, but in so many ways they deny Him. This is what the ten virgins are about at the beginning of the chapter. The “oil” that they are to have is the Holy Spirit, but there are only some that are truly in the Spirit, the rest are going after the flesh and yet are trying to identify themselves with the true believers. (This of course is exactly what we see all around us in the Christian community today)

Then, in Matt 25:14, there is the parable of the talents which you are using to illustrate our responsibility to vote in the US.

This parable that Jesus gives us has nothing at all to do with earthly wealth or what we are to do with our voting rights, (which you are saying that the Lord gave to us)
It doesn’t have to do with anything except one thing alone.

One of the keys is found in Matt 25:24-25, where it says, “then he who received the one talent came and said, “Lord, I knew You to be a hard man, reaping where You have not sown, and gathering where You have not scattered seed. And I was afraid and went and hid Your talent in the ground. Look, there You have what is Yours.”

The seed here is the very same seed that Jesus speaks of when He tells us about the sower that went out to sow some seed and some fell by the wayside…

The seed is the Word of God, the talent is what we do with the Word of the Lord once we have it. Do we hide it under the bushel basket, do we put it under a bed, or do we proclaim the Good News as we should to all that are lost around us.?

So, to say that the talent that Jesus is speaking of is somehow anything other than allowing the Holy Spirit to work through us so that the message of the Gospel can be heard, is not supported by the scriptures.

In fact, everywhere you hear Jesus speaking, He speaks of not being of this world, as Peter and Paul tells us the very same thing when He calls us pilgrims and sojourners.

Blessings to you IN CHrist olny,
Chris

Here Am I

Sep 5 2008, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (WWJDtoday @ Sep 5 2008, 03:19 PM)

Annie, good post, and yes, a lot of what you say is 100 percent true. The blind won't see it because it's too uncomfortable for them to move out of their pet systems and beliefs, but when the time finally comes and we find out what you are presenting is the TRUTH, then what happens to those who won't let go of the lies they've learned from Sunday school. We were all fed lies, especially if we were in the RCC.

Thanks, WWJDtoday.

The problem is, that the churches are downplaying the truth to keep people warming the pews. The pastor's livelihood is at stake. And, also, the churches are totally aware of what they cannot talk about, in order to preserve their 501C3 tax status with the government (whether they admit it, or not).

Christ is not the head of their churches. The government wants every person on a roll in some church for the purpose of control. When people come out of the churches and focus their attention and study on the Word of God alone, they begin to have more time to think... and be in the presence of God alone for wisdom and understanding.

"But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." 1John 2:27

TurnFromEvilAndLive

Sep 5 2008, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 09:18 PM)

QUOTE (Here Am I @ Sep 4 2008, 06:54 PM)

The political deception is great. The President of the United States is not elected; he is "selected".

John McCain is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/

What does this mean??

The CFR was a phoney institution, they've never had any power at all. They take their orders from the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London, the Rothschilds. Back in the 50's everybody thought the United States was ruled by this corrupt, sinister organization. In fact the CFR was a bunch of fatcats that got together in New York City, had dinner in luxurious hotels...they were all wealthy people, CEOS of banks and insurance companies and so forth...They're strictly a diversion. They had no power, and their policies were always written by the RIIA in London at Chatham House. I can't find an instance where the CFR has inaugurated a policy of any kind. Even today, people read books from the 50's about the sinister CFR and how sinister they are, like a KGB ruling the US...I always thought it a joke.[Interview 2003] by James Dyer.[/b]

"The Council on Foreign Relations --dedicated to one world government, financed by a number of the largest tax-exempt foundations, and wielding such power and influence over our lives in the areas of finance, business, labor, military, education, and mass communication media-should be familiar to every American concerned with good government and with preserving and defending the U.S. constitution and our free-enterprise system.

"Yet the Nation's "right -to-know-machinery " --the news media--usually so aggressive in exposures to inform our people, remain conspicuously silent when it comes to the CFR, its members, and their activities. And I find that few university students and graduates have even heard of the Council of Foreign Relations........."The CFR is "THE ESTABLISHMENT! Not only does it have the influence and power in key decision making positions at the highest levels of. government to apply pressure from above but it also finances and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the United States from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one world dictatorship."

The Royal Institute of International Affairs is the same as the American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The Royal Institute runs England and the British Empire, what was once the extension of the British, just as the CFR runs our country. They're sister organizations. The Black Pope: Interview of Eric Jon Phelps

http://www.whale.to/b/cfr_q.html

Money for the founding of the CFR came from J.P. Morgan, Bernard Baruch, Otto Kahn, Jacob Schiff, Paul Warburg, and John D. Rockefeller, among others. Obviously this was one and the same crowd of moneyed men who were instrumental in forming the Federal Reserve. The Council's original board of directors included Isaiah Bowman, Archibald Coolidge, John W. Davis, Norman H. Davis, Stephen Duggan. Otto Kahn, William Shepard, Whitney Shepardson, and Paul Warburg.

It must be mentioned , for the record, that numerous well known American politicians (I shy away from the term Statesman) have served in prominence on the Council's board. Some of the more prominent who have served in the capacity of director, since 1921, include Walter Lippmann (1932-37), Adlai Stevenson (1958-62), Cyrus Vance (1968-76) , Zbigniew Brzinski (1972-77), Robert 0. Anderson (1974-80). Paul Volker (1975-79), Theodore M. Hesburgh (1926-85), Lane Kirkland (1976-86), George H.W. Bush (1977-79), Henry Kissinger (1977-81), David Rockefeller (1949-85) , George Shultz (1980-88), Alan Greenspan (1982-88), Brent Scowcroft (1983-89), Jeane Kirkpatrick (1985-present) , and last but surely not least, Richard B. Cheney who has served from 1987 through 1989. Obviously a number of these people served more than one master!

It must be noted that most of the above mentioned occupied--in some form--Cabinet Posts while actively engaged with the Council on Foreign Relations. Such act is at least questionable, in that it goes beyond the borders of Law and Ethics. However, that is not to infer that the persons mentioned herein are anything but "good, decent and hard working Americans, out to do their very best for their Masters! Please take several deep breaths of air in the event that you feel that you and your country have been sold to foreign interest groups!

No decision as to why, what or how to deal with the issue must be made at this time. We can well not avoid facing the issues which demand to be heard. However, before the reader determines what must be done to protect American interests from Pan-Globalism, it behooves us to know a little more about the nature of the beast with which we must do battle. A little further discourse on the subject appears called for.

The goal of the CFR, quite simply put, was to influence all aspects of society in such a way that one day Americans would awaken to find themselves in the midst of a one-world system whether they liked it or not. Their hope was to get Americans to the point where entering a world government would seem as natural and American as baseball and apple pie. Although this scenario might seem preposterous to many, I respectfully suggest that the reader entertains the scope and concept of how far the CFR's plans have already come. To implement such "Order" does require some time for planning, execution and on line bringing of such new regime.

Using illuministic tactics and with the backing from the major global foundations, the CFR has been able to advance its agenda rapidly and with relative ease. During the 1920's and 30's the organization made significant strides toward control of the Democratic party, and by the 1940's had managed to establish a foothold in the Republican party as well. Since the early 1950's the progress has been more than merely significant. Today, the Republican party is saturated with members of the CFR; members who propagate the idea of a New World Order. It must be stated that there is very little difference between these parties, since the advent of global communications and shortened distances. Both parties are controlled by the XCFR and it various sister factions, all operating for the common goal of the CFR.

Numerous historical antecedents not only exist but have been followed to the letter while building the CFR into a power to be reckoned with. With the start of World War II, the CFR, thanks to the superb help of Franklin D. Roosevelt, managed to gain control of the State Department, and therefore, our foreign policy. Even today, this department as well as others remain firmly under the control of he CFR. Recent foreign policy directives toward the warring factions of the Mid East more than prove this point. The involvement of the United States, the United Nations, and the Arab League in the affairs of Iraq adequately verify the writer's contention that the war waged between the Coalition forces/Kuwait and Iraq show a greater goal was at stake.

http://www.whale.to/b/rm7.html#THE%20COUNC...IGN%20RELATIONS

[So it appears. The Jesuits, however, control the Council on Foreign Relations which in turn controls the Pope's Masonic Jewish Zionist Government of Israel to the detriment of the risen Son of God's beloved Hebrew/Jewish/Israelite People yet to inherit the promises given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. EJP]

The ultimate charter to control power-lusting rulers is embodied in the US Constitution. It is designed to control government, not citizens. It sets boundaries of behavior, and the US Constitution is like KRYPTONITE to tyrannical Papists -- they want to destroy it. It will NEVER allow a Concordat to be established with the Papacy. It empowers the people, not their "god", the Pope. The Pope rules over the leaders of the nations of this world, and to back up that claim we simply look at Rev. 18:3, but it's best to read chapters 17 & 18 entirely. Daniel 4:17 tells us that we are ruled over by the lowest of men; that's religiously and politically.

The US Constitution is their primary obstacle, and it is under constant attack by infiltrating CFR members as "candidates" for US government offices 24/7. Proclaiming "liberty" as a right of all people means tyrants can't go around locking-up people without due process [at the Common Law]. They have a right to their liberty -- personal freedom to travel and live where they choose. This was not so until the US Constitution declared it.

[As a matter of clarification, White Protestant American Freemen brought their Common Law rights with them from England. Both the State and Federal Constitutions were established to protect, not to confer, those rights. EJP]

They (tyrannical Papists) tried their hand at global domination with the "League of Nations", and it failed. A few decades later, they tried it again with a new name, the United Nations, and it's about to work. They even placed its headquarters in the US [in the Jesuit haven of New York City], their greatest obstacle to their success, with the hope that becoming a recognized "fixture" will make us more comfortable having them around. The UN is a foreign power on US soil. New York City and Chicago are the most populous Catholic areas in the USA [both cities having branches of the Pope's CFR]. The ILLUMINATI changed its name to operate as a "shadow government" within the US government through the infiltration of its members -- it is known as CFR, or the Council on Foreign Relations. The Jesuits are fantastic infiltrators. This organization, the CFR, is the Illuminati, in disguise. Presidents from both sides of the aisle are elected from its membership. "Democrat" or "Republican" -- such labels are meaningless really, because the outcome of either winning an election will be the same [as America's Roman Hierarchy has controlled both parties no later than since the assassination of President William McKinley (1901)].

The objectives of the CFR will be carried out. Their main purse strings extend from the central bank, the Federal Reserve Bank (a private bank, but it has an "official" sounding name). They thrive financially on our national debt. Follow the money-trail, and you'll find the really bad-guys. The Jesuits. Sure, they use the ruse or facade of "Jewish bankers" to hide behind, but this is all propaganda. "Blame it on the Jews" is their excuse everytime. Forget about the "Rothchilds" -- that's all just FORD/NAZI propaganda promoted through the Protocols of the Elders of Zion non-sense. Henry Ford had this trash translated into English and published in America, but it was all composed by Jesuits as a conspiracy to "frame" the Yahudim for their own actions. Hitler had a portrait of [33rd Degree Freemason] Henry Ford behind his desk, declaring that "this is one American who understands us." Vatican / Jesuit assassins have killed many; Abraham Lincoln, the Czars [Peter the Great, Alexander I and Alexander II] of Russia and his family, and John F. Kennedy [Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Robert F. Kennedy] to name but a few. The Order (Jesuits) were at the center of the Vietnam conflict [using Jesuit "Father Hawk" Dan Lyons to advise Generals Westmoreland and Abrams], as they used the Catholic president (Diem) of South Vietnam [whose brother was the Archbishop of Hue, while his other brother was the Inquisitional Chief of the Secret Police] to wipe out the Buddhists. You'll notice the Jesuits are present in most of the conflicts around the world. Often, the media interviews them, and even tells you they are "Jesuit priests".

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/jesuitnwo.htm

Please.....

I would appreciate it if you would stop with the conspiracy theories. When you do this over and over and over Anne....all that does is show that you do not put your faith in God and ALSO....that you do not understand about Gods grace.

I have posted several scriptures in the past about how God spares places because there are still believers there.

UNTIL all the Christians are gone out of this country....then I think God is going to show us mercy.

He is a merciful God before He is a God of wrath.

A President needs to be elected. We need to have someone that can lead our country.

There is something very wrong with Obama. McCain has served this country with his very own blood. That speaks volumes.

Cindy,
I don't think you or I know Anne enough to judge her faith in this manner....in sincerity. To say that she's not putting her faith in God also places your opinion as exclusionary...ie-God only upholds your opinion. There are many christians who would disagree with your spiritual assesment of our nation. Grace is not God's approval of being lukewarm or apostacizing in our faith either. Grace has been TRAMPLED and lays dying in the streets of America. Churches on every street corner, pulpits blaring over the air-waves, free bibles passed out to any or all who could ever want one. This country has been given much, therefore MUCH will be required.

God bless you,
Kim

TurnFromEvilAndLive

Sep 5 2008, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (SpiritFilledOne @ Sep 5 2008, 07:01 AM)

It comes back to what Jesus would do.

If He were here in the US today, living eating drinking, (which He is in the true believer)..

He would say "render to caeser that which is caesars". In other words, He always spoke in a way that said this place was not His Kingdom. I couldnt imagine Christ being involved in the affairs of the pharisees, with regard to electing a new high priest or becoming involved in local Jerusalem or Galilean politics.

So, by the very same method and mind-set, we who are in Christ have to look at all of these things in the very same way.

Why would we want to take part in voting for un-believers??

A true believer in every sense of the word, would wear their faith on their sleeve, they would proclaim that Jesus is Lord and they would make absolutely no compromise, you would know that they were a believer by the way that everything they did in word or in deed would be an obvious outward expression of their devotion to the Lord Jesus!

There would be none of this christianity that is shrouded in mystery, as we say things like "I think that Sarah Palin is a strong christian" or, "I heard John McCain believes in Jesus"????

Ive never heard John McCain or Sarah Palin or Obama or Bush or Reagan or Clinton or Nixon or Kennedy or Carter or Ford, ever speak of Christ in any way other than as a passing side note in their hyperbole contrasted by their otherwise very worldly daily language.

Many of these said that they were believers at some point in there political career, but a true believer shouts it from the housetops as Christ tells us “Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops."

He also tells us that when a light is lit, no one puts it under a bed or under a basket, but rather on a stand that all who enter may see.

If there were a presidential contender that proclaimed openly, the Lordship and soveriegnty of CHrist, Yes, then we would be foolish not to be involved to get that person elected as the president of this country, but since that is not the case at all, then why is it that we want to become entangled with the affairs of the world again??

Now, having said all of this, Its only fair to qualify all of this by saying that God will use, whomever is in office, to His Glory, whether they are a believer or not!
As Romans 17 says of pharoah: Romans 9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”

The Lord is in control of all of it, but I wouldnt have wanted to be a Jew siding with pharoah in the time of moses....

In Christ alone,
Chris

Amen! But I'd like to add that faith without works is dead. How many claim allegiance to Christ, yet show no fruit to God?...so even with the proclomation of faith in Jesus Christ, there should be genuine fruit, genuine light, and genuine holiness to back up those claims.

TurnFromEvilAndLive

Sep 5 2008, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (dennis mann @ Sep 5 2008, 05:08 AM)

mccain and obama are BOTH evolution-preaching vote-buyers

the USA is about to collapse

the USA has abandoned Christ altogether, as a nation

there were a few righteous jews in jeruaslem when God brot Babylon to jerusalaem to destroy it.

Daniel was faithful,,,,,,,,,and he was exiled into babylon

Those are very valid points...yes, there were a few righteous jews in Jerusalem and Daniel was also faithful...yet they were exiled to Babylon.

I'd like to add that Noah was also shielded from God's wrath, although the entire earth was being judged at that time as well.

God bless!
Kim

TurnFromEvilAndLive

Sep 5 2008, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (SpiritFilledOne @ Sep 5 2008, 02:37 PM)

QUOTE (gr82bsaved @ Sep 5 2008, 09:19 AM)

Chris,

Are you saying then that Christians - you know, REAL believers in CHRIST - should not vote then?

I think GOD gave us a vote to use, not bury in the ground and accomplish nothing.

If you fail to vote for the best candidate presented through prayerful consideration then the wrong person or group assumes power.

What is the value in that?

GOD IS IN CONTROL. However, like the issue of salvation, a person does not have to accept CHRIST (and receive eternal life) and does not have to vote. But those actions lead to a bad end - eternal death and the wrong people running the country.

If we do not use what GOD has given us, then HE will take it away and give it someone else:

Mt 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strowed:
Mt 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mt 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strowed:
Mt 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mt 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mt 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

gr82bsaved

Matthew 25 is not about money or politics.

So many Christians quote Matt 25 in order to make a point with regard to earthly things that they feel that the Lord has given to them.

If you begin in Matt 24, Jesus begins by speaking of all of the false Christs that will come, and then he goes on to tell us hao many will be deceived and the result will be 2 in the field and one is taken and one is left, 2 at the mill and one is taken and the other is left.
He tell us then in 24:42 to “watch” because we do not know what hour that our Lord is coming.

Then at the end of 24 and into 25, He tells us about those that begin to think and act wickedly saying that their master has delayed His coming and they begin to beat the servants and drink with the drunkards.

In chapter 25, Jesus tells us what we can compare the kingdom of heaven to and in doing so He gives us a picture of what that kingdom is all about. It is about many that profess to know Christ, but in so many ways they deny Him. This is what the ten virgins are about at the beginning of the chapter. The “oil” that they are to have is the Holy Spirit, but there are only some that are truly in the Spirit, the rest are going after the flesh and yet are trying to identify themselves with the true believers. (This of course is exactly what we see all around us in the Christian community today)

Then, in Matt 25:14, there is the parable of the talents which you are using to illustrate our responsibility to vote in the US.

This parable that Jesus gives us has nothing at all to do with earthly wealth or what we are to do with our voting rights, (which you are saying that the Lord gave to us)
It doesn’t have to do with anything except one thing alone.

One of the keys is found in Matt 25:24-25, where it says, “then he who received the one talent came and said, “Lord, I knew You to be a hard man, reaping where You have not sown, and gathering where You have not scattered seed. And I was afraid and went and hid Your talent in the ground. Look, there You have what is Yours.”

The seed here is the very same seed that Jesus speaks of when He tells us about the sower that went out to sow some seed and some fell by the wayside…

The seed is the Word of God, the talent is what we do with the Word of the Lord once we have it. Do we hide it under the bushel basket, do we put it under a bed, or do we proclaim the Good News as we should to all that are lost around us.?

So, to say that the talent that Jesus is speaking of is somehow anything other than allowing the Holy Spirit to work through us so that the message of the Gospel can be heard, is not supported by the scriptures.

In fact, everywhere you hear Jesus speaking, He speaks of not being of this world, as Peter and Paul tells us the very same thing when He calls us pilgrims and sojourners.

Blessings to you IN CHrist olny,
Chris

Excellent points Chris! What will our Lord say to those who knew the truth, yet denied it? What about denial through disobedience? You know the ones who came to Him and said "Lord, Lord! Did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons...heal the sick? etc....and our Lord says to them..."Depart from me, ye worker's of iniquity!". He's not talking to people who have not understood the truth. He's talking to those who were given MUCH, yet by (refusing sound doctrine), were also working lawlessness.

How can christians take the word of God and regard it in an elemental, rudimentary way? I'm reminded of Paul who said: Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations -- "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," 22 which all concern things which perish with the using -- according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. (NKJV) Colossians 2:20-23

My paraphrase? If you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why as though living in the world, do you take spiritual principles and ally them with the physical elements...such as "he who has been given much....must vote!"

God bless you,
Kim

and ps....my spiritual radar of late has picked up the words..."they will not endure sound doctrine".

dennis mann

Sep 5 2008, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Here Am I @ Sep 5 2008, 03:22 PM)

QUOTE (dennis mann @ Sep 5 2008, 01:32 PM)

democracy is a new thing.

back in th' good ol' days,
there were no elections,,,,,,,,,,the King was a Dictator til he died, and then his first-born son took the throne

women were personal property of the men,,,,,,,,,children were zeroes

slaves were physical objects

only the rich had any influence at all,,,,,,,and that was very limited

the Pope told the King what to do,,,,,,,,or the King lost his salvation and his throne............the Pope would replace the king with someone else

the kings always married their sisters or cousins, or nieces........to keep the money, land, and blue-blood in the family.

nobody had any bibles, except the few rich....and the monks

the only bible within a 100 miles was chained to the pulpit in the church

imagine that...........!
only the rich had bibles,,,,,,,,,,the poor had no bibles............hard to imagine!..........the Gospel seems to be custom-made for the poor!

and the Bible tells the rich man that it's easier for a camel to go thru a needle-eye than for a rich man to enter heaven!

what a messed up system!

that's even worse than the USA

hurricane Hanna is about to go over my little 30-yo office-trailer..........please pray for us!

My prayers are being offered for you, Dennis!

Chloe and Annie,

Thanks! for your prayers...........God commanded us to pray.

the storm Hanna will be here at Midnight............does that sound ominous enough?....

it's not a hurricane,,,,,,it's a tropical storm,,,,,,,,but, still, it could hurt a lot of people

Lord Jesus, Please do Your Perfect Will,,,,,,,,we trust You to do the right thing, for everybody involved.

Romans 8;28

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Thank You for Your Love and Salvation and Saviour.
amen

Adeline

Sep 6 2008, 02:52 AM

QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 5 2008, 03:02 PM)

QUOTE (Adeline @ Sep 5 2008, 12:00 PM)

QUOTE (Chloé @ Sep 4 2008, 10:18 PM)

QUOTE (Here Am I @ Sep 4 2008, 06:54 PM)

The political deception is great. The President of the United States is not elected; he is "selected".

John McCain is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/

What does this mean??

The CFR was a phoney institution, they've never had any power at all. They take their orders from the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London, the Rothschilds. Back in the 50's everybody thought the United States was ruled by this corrupt, sinister organization. In fact the CFR was a bunch of fatcats that got together in New York City, had dinner in luxurious hotels...they were all wealthy people, CEOS of banks and insurance companies and so forth...They're strictly a diversion. They had no power, and their policies were always written by the RIIA in London at Chatham House. I can't find an instance where the CFR has inaugurated a policy of any kind. Even today, people read books from the 50's about the sinister CFR and how sinister they are, like a KGB ruling the US...I always thought it a joke.[Interview 2003] by James Dyer.[/b]

"The Council on Foreign Relations --dedicated to one world government, financed by a number of the largest tax-exempt foundations, and wielding such power and influence over our lives in the areas of finance, business, labor, military, education, and mass communication media-should be familiar to every American concerned with good government and with preserving and defending the U.S. constitution and our free-enterprise system.

"Yet the Nation's "right -to-know-machinery " --the news media--usually so aggressive in exposures to inform our people, remain conspicuously silent when it comes to the CFR, its members, and their activities. And I find that few university students and graduates have even heard of the Council of Foreign Relations........."The CFR is "THE ESTABLISHMENT! Not only does it have the influence and power in key decision making positions at the highest levels of. government to apply pressure from above but it also finances and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the United States from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one world dictatorship."

The Royal Institute of International Affairs is the same as the American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The Royal Institute runs England and the British Empire, what was once the extension of the British, just as the CFR runs our country. They're sister organizations. The Black Pope: Interview of Eric Jon Phelps

http://www.whale.to/b/cfr_q.html

Money for the founding of the CFR came from J.P. Morgan, Bernard Baruch, Otto Kahn, Jacob Schiff, Paul Warburg, and John D. Rockefeller, among others. Obviously this was one and the same crowd of moneyed men who were instrumental in forming the Federal Reserve. The Council's original board of directors included Isaiah Bowman, Archibald Coolidge, John W. Davis, Norman H. Davis, Stephen Duggan. Otto Kahn, William Shepard, Whitney Shepardson, and Paul Warburg.

It must be mentioned , for the record, that numerous well known American politicians (I shy away from the term Statesman) have served in prominence on the Council's board. Some of the more prominent who have served in the capacity of director, since 1921, include Walter Lippmann (1932-37), Adlai Stevenson (1958-62), Cyrus Vance (1968-76) , Zbigniew Brzinski (1972-77), Robert 0. Anderson (1974-80). Paul Volker (1975-79), Theodore M. Hesburgh (1926-85), Lane Kirkland (1976-86), George H.W. Bush (1977-79), Henry Kissinger (1977-81), David Rockefeller (1949-85) , George Shultz (1980-88), Alan Greenspan (1982-88), Brent Scowcroft (1983-89), Jeane Kirkpatrick (1985-present) , and last but surely not least, Richard B. Cheney who has served from 1987 through 1989. Obviously a number of these people served more than one master!

It must be noted that most of the above mentioned occupied--in some form--Cabinet Posts while actively engaged with the Council on Foreign Relations. Such act is at least questionable, in that it goes beyond the borders of Law and Ethics. However, that is not to infer that the persons mentioned herein are anything but "good, decent and hard working Americans, out to do their very best for their Masters! Please take several deep breaths of air in the event that you feel that you and your country have been sold to foreign interest groups!

No decision as to why, what or how to deal with the issue must be made at this time. We can well not avoid facing the issues which demand to be heard. However, before the reader determines what must be done to protect American interests from Pan-Globalism, it behooves us to know a little more about the nature of the beast with which we must do battle. A little further discourse on the subject appears called for.

The goal of the CFR, quite simply put, was to influence all aspects of society in such a way that one day Americans would awaken to find themselves in the midst of a one-world system whether they liked it or not. Their hope was to get Americans to the point where entering a world government would seem as natural and American as baseball and apple pie. Although this scenario might seem preposterous to many, I respectfully suggest that the reader entertains the scope and concept of how far the CFR's plans have already come. To implement such "Order" does require some time for planning, execution and on line bringing of such new regime.

Using illuministic tactics and with the backing from the major global foundations, the CFR has been able to advance its agenda rapidly and with relative ease. During the 1920's and 30's the organization made significant strides toward control of the Democratic party, and by the 1940's had managed to establish a foothold in the Republican party as well. Since the early 1950's the progress has been more than merely significant. Today, the Republican party is saturated with members of the CFR; members who propagate the idea of a New World Order. It must be stated that there is very little difference between these parties, since the advent of global communications and shortened distances. Both parties are controlled by the XCFR and it various sister factions, all operating for the common goal of the CFR.

Numerous historical antecedents not only exist but have been followed to the letter while building the CFR into a power to be reckoned with. With the start of World War II, the CFR, thanks to the superb help of Franklin D. Roosevelt, managed to gain control of the State Department, and therefore, our foreign policy. Even today, this department as well as others remain firmly under the control of he CFR. Recent foreign policy directives toward the warring factions of the Mid East more than prove this point. The involvement of the United States, the United Nations, and the Arab League in the affairs of Iraq adequately verify the writer's contention that the war waged between the Coalition forces/Kuwait and Iraq show a greater goal was at stake.

http://www.whale.to/b/rm7.html#THE%20COUNC...IGN%20RELATIONS

[So it appears. The Jesuits, however, control the Council on Foreign Relations which in turn controls the Pope's Masonic Jewish Zionist Government of Israel to the detriment of the risen Son of God's beloved Hebrew/Jewish/Israelite People yet to inherit the promises given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. EJP]

The ultimate charter to control power-lusting rulers is embodied in the US Constitution. It is designed to control government, not citizens. It sets boundaries of behavior, and the US Constitution is like KRYPTONITE to tyrannical Papists -- they want to destroy it. It will NEVER allow a Concordat to be established with the Papacy. It empowers the people, not their "god", the Pope. The Pope rules over the leaders of the nations of this world, and to back up that claim we simply look at Rev. 18:3, but it's best to read chapters 17 & 18 entirely. Daniel 4:17 tells us that we are ruled over by the lowest of men; that's religiously and politically.

The US Constitution is their primary obstacle, and it is under constant attack by infiltrating CFR members as "candidates" for US government offices 24/7. Proclaiming "liberty" as a right of all people means tyrants can't go around locking-up people without due process [at the Common Law]. They have a right to their liberty -- personal freedom to travel and live where they choose. This was not so until the US Constitution declared it.

[As a matter of clarification, White Protestant American Freemen brought their Common Law rights with them from England. Both the State and Federal Constitutions were established to protect, not to confer, those rights. EJP]

They (tyrannical Papists) tried their hand at global domination with the "League of Nations", and it failed. A few decades later, they tried it again with a new name, the United Nations, and it's about to work. They even placed its headquarters in the US [in the Jesuit haven of New York City], their greatest obstacle to their success, with the hope that becoming a recognized "fixture" will make us more comfortable having them around. The UN is a foreign power on US soil. New York City and Chicago are the most populous Catholic areas in the USA [both cities having branches of the Pope's CFR]. The ILLUMINATI changed its name to operate as a "shadow government" within the US government through the infiltration of its members -- it is known as CFR, or the Council on Foreign Relations. The Jesuits are fantastic infiltrators. This organization, the CFR, is the Illuminati, in disguise. Presidents from both sides of the aisle are elected from its membership. "Democrat" or "Republican" -- such labels are meaningless really, because the outcome of either winning an election will be the same [as America's Roman Hierarchy has controlled both parties no later than since the assassination of President William McKinley (1901)].

The objectives of the CFR will be carried out. Their main purse strings extend from the central bank, the Federal Reserve Bank (a private bank, but it has an "official" sounding name). They thrive financially on our national debt. Follow the money-trail, and you'll find the really bad-guys. The Jesuits. Sure, they use the ruse or facade of "Jewish bankers" to hide behind, but this is all propaganda. "Blame it on the Jews" is their excuse everytime. Forget about the "Rothchilds" -- that's all just FORD/NAZI propaganda promoted through the Protocols of the Elders of Zion non-sense. Henry Ford had this trash translated into English and published in America, but it was all composed by Jesuits as a conspiracy to "frame" the Yahudim for their own actions. Hitler had a portrait of [33rd Degree Freemason] Henry Ford behind his desk, declaring that "this is one American who understands us." Vatican / Jesuit assassins have killed many; Abraham Lincoln, the Czars [Peter the Great, Alexander I and Alexander II] of Russia and his family, and John F. Kennedy [Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Robert F. Kennedy] to name but a few. The Order (Jesuits) were at the center of the Vietnam conflict [using Jesuit "Father Hawk" Dan Lyons to advise Generals Westmoreland and Abrams], as they used the Catholic president (Diem) of South Vietnam [whose brother was the Archbishop of Hue, while his other brother was the Inquisitional Chief of the Secret Police] to wipe out the Buddhists. You'll notice the Jesuits are present in most of the conflicts around the world. Often, the media interviews them, and even tells you they are "Jesuit priests".

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/jesuitnwo.htm

Please.....

I would appreciate it if you would stop with the conspiracy theories. When you do this over and over and over Anne....all that does is show that you do not put your faith in God and ALSO....that you do not understand about Gods grace.

I have posted several scriptures in the past about how God spares places because there are still believers there.

UNTIL all the Christians are gone out of this country....then I think God is going to show us mercy.

He is a merciful God before He is a God of wrath.

A President needs to be elected. We need to have someone that can lead our country.

There is something very wrong with Obama. McCain has served this country with his very own blood. That speaks volumes.

Cindy,

Annie is on to some truth. What she speaks is not because she is lacking in faith and truth it is because there is physical evidence that much of what she posts holds weight. God does show his mercy on America but even so there is still a consequence for sin. America has sin and we have allowed the little germ (devil) to enter our soil. Sometimes on the surface everything seems okay but if you go behind the scenes you may hear the plots that the demons are projecting. I have forum friends that began to research Government and their findings are simply mind boggling. And some of her findings are historical...if we go back in time to Jekyll Island we will learn of the seven men who got together and determined the structure of the New World Order Banking System...Not a theory.........

McCain seems like he would make a fine president but he is only one man in the Repulican Party. I am not dischanted with a candidate, I am dischanted with the whole party. Although I will always show my support for the Conservative Party as opposed to the Democrat's. Also our American Dollar is falling and some project that our dollar will loose value world wide. Cindy, we are heading for a depression and if something tramatic does happen our elections could become suspended due to martial law being declared. So much of what Annie posts is interesting and worth my time as a reader to research.

Have a good day. Don't even want to go to work today, its probably my turn to get mandated. Boy oh boy too old for this.

Gods Blessings,

Al

Al....

I'm sorry that I feel that way....but it gets very old. We can't let that rule our thoughts.

Annie.....

You may not accept this from me.....but I do really care about you and there are posts of yours that I like. And I know that we are not perfect...far from it.

But I see that God does answer prayers. And I am optimistic... that nothing is impossible with God. Including turning America around.

CIndy,

We all have different gifts, talents, and interests. I understand that many people really do not want to attempt to understand the teaching posts by Annie. I can accept that. BUt I for one would like to continue reading the topics in which she has done so much deep research. For me, her threads/posts are not negative or old. You are correct, we can not let this rule our thoughts. But Cindy? Isn't it great that everything that is happening in our world today, has historical evidence. One internet friend (Bubba) had so much knowlege and he taught that everything happening today could be routed back to Babylon. Ah Cindy? For five years I have been learning from such experts, and it simply amazes me how much of these conspiracy theories can be pinpointed back to biblical days. Can't you feel the excitement? God knows everything and he has everything in His control. Love you sister.

Gods Blessings,

Al

Esteviento

Sep 6 2008, 10:08 AM

Bubba loves Babylon surely sounds like your teacher. What an exciting confirmation! Way to go Al

Adeline

Sep 8 2008, 12:57 AM

QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 6 2008, 11:08 AM)

Bubba loves Babylon surely sounds like your teacher. What an exciting confirmation! Way to go Al

Do I know you? As a newer poster do you really think that you have earned the right to judge another person? Now, dear you wouldn't be Justice would you? I'll be reading your posts and I will keep that report finger handy, after all dear I am learning about false prophets and how to discern. One other thing? Kind of sad that Rose isn't allowed to post on this forum and here you are the instigator of the whole mess. May God have mercy on you.

Here Am I

Sep 8 2008, 06:03 AM

QUOTE (Adeline @ Sep 8 2008, 01:57 AM)

QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 6 2008, 11:08 AM)

Bubba loves Babylon surely sounds like your teacher. What an exciting confirmation! Way to go Al

Do I know you? As a newer poster do you really think that you have earned the right to judge another person? Now, dear you wouldn't be Justice would you? I'll be reading your posts and I will keep that report finger handy, after all dear I am learning about false prophets and how to discern. One other thing? Kind of sad that Rose isn't allowed to post on this forum and here you are the instigator of the whole mess. May God have mercy on you.

Hi Adeline,

Esteviento means thiswind.

LABRYS, COMMON, FEARLESS, JUSTICE, THIS WIND, ESTEVIENTO (this wind)... all the same person.

Adeline

Sep 8 2008, 12:32 PM

Annie,

Thank-you so much! Justice has done more harm in this community of believers and she can't even comprehend the pain and hurt she leaves behind. Justice is a false teacher/prophet who attempts to deceive. I wonder if that picture on her profile is an actual picture of Justice?

Gods Blessings,

Al

researcher

Sep 8 2008, 01:58 PM

Latest polls have McCain ahead of Obama.

Gallup
PRINCETON, NJ -- John McCain leads Barack Obama, 49% to 44%, in the immediate aftermath of the Republican National Convention, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking results.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110110/Gallup-D...Point-Lead.aspx

Rasmussen
Monday, September 08, 2008

In the first national polling results based entirely on interviews conducted after the Republican National Convention, McCain attracts 47% of the vote while Obama earns 46%. When "leaners" are included, it’s McCain 48% and Obama 47%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...l_tracking_poll

Here Am I

Sep 8 2008, 03:14 PM

QUOTE (Adeline @ Sep 8 2008, 12:32 PM)

Annie,

Thank-you so much! Justice has done more harm in this community of believers and she can't even comprehend the pain and hurt she leaves behind. Justice is a false teacher/prophet who attempts to deceive. I wonder if that picture on her profile is an actual picture of Justice?

Gods Blessings,

Al

You're welcome, Al! ...who knows?

God bless you, too!

THE SEVEN THUNDERS

Sep 8 2008, 04:53 PM

THIS PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT ALL...

researcher

Sep 8 2008, 04:55 PM

McCain opens offices throughout California. Perfect!

http://california.johnmccain.com/content/s...4f98806&DB=

TurnFromEvilAndLive

Sep 8 2008, 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Here Am I @ Sep 8 2008, 05:03 AM)

QUOTE (Adeline @ Sep 8 2008, 01:57 AM)

QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 6 2008, 11:08 AM)

Bubba loves Babylon surely sounds like your teacher. What an exciting confirmation! Way to go Al

Do I know you? As a newer poster do you really think that you have earned the right to judge another person? Now, dear you wouldn't be Justice would you? I'll be reading your posts and I will keep that report finger handy, after all dear I am learning about false prophets and how to discern. One other thing? Kind of sad that Rose isn't allowed to post on this forum and here you are the instigator of the whole mess. May God have mercy on you.

Hi Adeline,

Esteviento means thiswind.

LABRYS, COMMON, FEARLESS, JUSTICE, THIS WIND, ESTEVIENTO (this wind)... all the same person.

Thanks for the heads up!

kim48

Sep 8 2008, 06:11 PM

QUOTE (THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Sep 8 2008, 04:53 PM)

THIS PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT ALL...

That says it all for me!

Here Am I

Sep 8 2008, 06:36 PM

QUOTE (IAMlives @ Sep 8 2008, 06:07 PM)

QUOTE (Here Am I @ Sep 8 2008, 05:03 AM)

QUOTE (Adeline @ Sep 8 2008, 01:57 AM)

QUOTE (Esteviento @ Sep 6 2008, 11:08 AM)

Bubba loves Babylon surely sounds like your teacher. What an exciting confirmation! Way to go Al

Do I know you? As a newer poster do you really think that you have earned the right to judge another person? Now, dear you wouldn't be Justice would you? I'll be reading your posts and I will keep that report finger handy, after all dear I am learning about false prophets and how to discern. One other thing? Kind of sad that Rose isn't allowed to post on this forum and here you are the instigator of the whole mess. May God have mercy on you.

Hi Adeline,

Esteviento means thiswind.

LABRYS, COMMON, FEARLESS, JUSTICE, THIS WIND, ESTEVIENTO (this wind)... all the same person.

Thanks for the heads up!