Even among many Christians the once-forbidden tattoo is welcomed with open arms (and legs, and necks, and backs, et al). Not surprising the major perpetrator of the Christian tattoo is the Christian rock music community. And fast following their Christian rock idols, thousands of Christian young people are getting "marked for Jesus" with the tattoo. Among the fastest growing trend in the tattoo industry is the Christian tattoo shops.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/intro.html

One of the oldest and most common satanic practices is cutting of the flesh or blood-letting. The term "blood-letting" originates from the word "let" – "to allow to pass, go or come"; hence "blood-letting" literally means to allow the blood to come, or pass.

Throughout history the cutting of the flesh and blood-letting are rituals performed to unleash demonic and supernatural powers. Because the "life of the flesh is in the blood" [Leviticus 17:11], the blood is highly valued in the occult as the "power source". And by releasing or letting the blood or the "power source" – supernatural power is unleashed.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/blood.html

Throughout history the tattoo bears the mark of paganism, demonism, Baal worship, shamanism, mysticism, heathenism, cannibalism and just about every other pagan belief known. The tattoo has NEVER been associated with Bible Believing Christians. And whenever and wherever, in history Christianity appears – tattoos disappear. The only exception -- 20th century, lukewarm, carnal, disobedient, Laodicean Christians.

The birth of the tattoo has always born the fruits of pagan religion and mysticism. Without exception, research after research, study after study, book after book, the roots of the tattoo never wavers. The following documentation is just a small (very small) drop of the ocean of research documenting the pagan and demonic source of the tattoo.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/pagan.html

In Leviticus 19:28 the Lord gives a clear condemnation of tattoos – ". . . cuttings in your flesh. . . nor print any marks upon you."

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28

It’s very interesting that Leviticus 19:28 links the tattoo with "the dead".

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/death.html

The Bible, from cover to cover, and over and over, condemns rebellion. The Lord God considered rebellion so serious – He compared rebellion to witchcraft. And may I remind you, witchcraft was punishable by death!

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, . . . "
1 Samuel 15:23

[b]And if there’s one message the tattoo cries out – loud and clear – it’s rebellion.

Throughout history tattoos have symbolized rebellion. There’s nothing normal about a tattoo. A tattoo screams of unabashed rebellion and deviancy.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/rebel.html

Underneath that harmless tattoo is a very serious risk of acquiring a deadly blood-borne disease such as AIDS, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C, tetanus, syphilis, tuberculosis and other blood-born diseases.

An alarming research study recently published by Dr. Bob Haley and Dr. Paul Fischer at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School in Dallas uncovered that the "innocent" commercial tattoo may be the number one distributor of hepatitis C. The study was published in the journal Medicine (Haley RW, Fischer RP, Commercial tattooing as a potentially source of hepatitis C infection, Medicine, March 2000;80:134-151). Dr. Haley, a preventative medicine specialist and a former Center for Disease Control (CDC) infection control official, is exceptionally knowledgeable to prepare the study.

Dr. Haley concludes, "We found that commercially acquired tattoos accounted for more than twice as many hepatitis C infections as injection-drug use. This means it may have been the largest single contributor to the nationwide epidemic of this form of hepatitis."

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/health.html

Leviticus 19:28 is the Christian (or so-called Christian?) tattooist and tattoo-bearer's worst nightmare. The Lord plainly, clearly, strongly, and without a doubt – condemns the tattoo.

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28

The clear statement from the word of God does not settle anything for this generation of disobedient, carnal, worldly, tolerant, non-judgmental, Christians. Rather than obey God, they run miles and miles and miles to "justify" their open disobedience to the Word of God.

How do they get around Leviticus 19:28?

Clearly, there it is. "Ye shall not. . .print any marks upon you. . ."

A lot of Christians when confronted with Leviticus 19:28, scream, "Hey dude, that’s not for today. Man, that’s the Old Testament. I’m under the New Testament". (sound familiar??)

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/bible.html

The Mark of Regret

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:21-23

http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/regret.html

Yikes, what about pierced ears???

Piercing the ears of those who chose to be bondservants was a custom in the Old Testament:

And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever."
-Exodus 21:5-6

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28


Don't you think that this OT prohibition was specifically refering to pagan rituals or some sort of tattooed or body mutilation sort of fetish/point of contact with the spirit realms or ancestor worship, for the simple fact that it was a form of witchcraft?

Is there a reason to assert that the tattooing refered to there is nothing more than a cosmetic design without any demonic significance involved, like most of today's tattoos. I don't see one.

Even so, the point of many of the OT laws was to keep Israel spiritually seperated and distince from the pagans around them. These kind of laws were not really intended to be a universal, culture code. There are no Canaanite tattoos being made today. Their religions are extinct. So it would be virtually impossible to break that law today, unless you did some amazing archeological research with the intent to embrace some old Canaanitish religion.

Annie, then I am a bondservant of the Lord LOL

Love ya, Rose

Aw shucks, I am not alone!

Love you, Annie!

I am new here and I don't understand what a bondservant is???

Good question: Here's the answer..

Simply this: God has always desired to find those willing to give up their own freedom in order to become His bondservant. He has always desired for those who serve Him to do so with a heart that says, "Not my will, but thine be done." And so, because we didn't get it, He became flesh and dwelt among us and showed us, by His own example, what we must become in order to hear and understand what the Master is saying.

So I have given up my freedom and am a bondservant to the Lord.

Check out this link for an explanation of what a bondservant is.

http://www.cke1st.com/sr_2pet11.htm

or check out the following verses....

Deu 15:12 ¶ [And] if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.


Deu 15:13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty:


Deu 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: [of that] wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.


Deu 15:15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day.


Deu 15:16 And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee;


Deu 15:17 Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust [it] through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.


Deu 15:18 It shall not seem hard unto thee, when thou sendest him away free from thee; for he hath been worth a double hired servant [to thee], in serving thee six years: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all that thou doest.

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Concerning Christians getting tatoos. I see this as a bad trend. I recently baptized a young lady who got a tatoo to commemorate her rededication to the Lord. I was taken aback but I baptized her anyway. It is after all the heart we are more concerned with. Nevertheless, it is quite disconcerting to see how easily the youth of today brand their bodies...and even Christians! I don't judge this lady. What are they teaching (or not teaching) in steeplehouses these days? (she is not in our fellowship but a member of a system church)

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Annie,
I'm glad you pointed out that christians are to abstain from even the *appearance* of evil.

Tattoos have always been associated with evil, rebellion and idolatry.

Why do christians want to give or associate with an appearance of evil?

What fellowship hath light with dark?

its funny how we tend to go back to the old law i am not judging any one hear who has had there say

i have tattoos and i am a christian i got these tattoos when i was a non believer


i have also gotten into heated debates concerning what the old law says and what jesus did for us on the cross

what hurts me i run into christians who tend to look down on guys like my self

a member of this forum did this and when i read what he said i reported what he said due to what he had left in his post


i also looked at the reason the laws were given and some one said that god gave those laws to prottect the israelits

as the villages the israelits found them selves living in those of this world practiced sertain rituals and part of there culture the men would mark them selves

i cant do anything about what i have on me and for me to get what i have on me takken off its going to cost me a lot off money

so if a brother who walks in off the street and comes down the front and says i want to accept jesus into my life do we who know this law knock him back or do we accept him and have him say the sinners prayer ?

what hurts me is the looks i get and not just the looks i have had sevral christians come up to me and tell me to my face that i am not a true christian and when i sit down and try to talk to the ones who have decided to judge me its as if i am talking to a brick wall

so what if some one decides to get a tattoo who are you to judge what a person does

i am sure the ones who decide that they want a tattoo think hard about what they are going to do once you do decide to get a tattoo its on you for life

to get a tattoo removed it costs around $15,000 and for guys who are covered in tattoos its money that could be spent on some thing else


i know sevral pastors in Australia who are covered in tattoos like me they got there tattoos when they were non believers these pastors just did not decide one day and say oh it would be cool to cover my self in tattoos

one member hear i wil not say her name i know her from another forum has been running a mother down who has allowed her daughter to get a tattoo on her self i have been going over her post and its just gotten me angry by what she has been leaving instead of leaving remarks in the post she set up if she is that worried she could have talked to the mother and said as a mother why on earth would you allow your child to get a tattoo

i had a friend who was looking at getting a tattoo and i discouraged him this man was in his 50 a pastor and was a manager of a rehab that he set up in Cairns when he told me what he was about to do i questioned him and said what is the real reason to the choice you are about to make i did not judge him or did i throw the verses i know from the old testament law at him as he has been a pastor for a long time and it would have been pointless trying to get into a biblical argument with him plus i did not want to loose my friend ship with this man

well he decided after trying my hardest to get him to come around and he rang me i did not judge him but i warned him and said by the choice he has made he will be judged by the very ones who tend to stick to the old law and told him to be care full

i have a female friend who is looking at getting a tattoo and she has been talking to me i have not judged her but i have been talking openly with her she has asked about the tattoos i have on me and i told her the reason i got my tattoos

God looks at the heart not the out side yet what hurts me people dont tend to do this


when i was with my fiancee who is a female pastor i noticed in the philippines boys who have been raised up right dont do this to them selves one of my fiancees friends who is also a pastor drilled me she is 64 yrs old i listened to what she had to say then when it was my turn i said sister you need to come before the lord and let god deal with that attitude in you what you said did offend me but i wil not judge you or wil i rebuke you i said sister i got thes tattoos when i was a non believer i cant do anything to get them off if you tend not to listen to me thats fine but i will not get into a biblical argument with you to were i prove to you that i am a born again christian

she said why could you not have gotten a women in your country why come to my country and fall for a sister

i told her my fiancee is old enough to decide for her self as kristina told me she loves me for who i am but said some of her friends will look down on me and told me not to let it offend me

i am the only guy in her family who has tattoos the other pastors do not have tattoos or earings

it was hard for me as i could sence what the males and females were thinking when i was asked to share my testimony

yet what i found strange is the way the young people accepted me by the second week the male pastors and deakons and her family accepted me and they all said openly at first we found it hard to accept you my mother in law pulled me to the side and said my daughter loves you and said that she talked with her and told her mother that i have tattoos my mother in law is a deakon she asked me to forgive her for judging me and i did then she embraced me and welcomed me into the family

her friend who judged me and said she wil not listen to some one who has tattoos preach has changed her tone towards me my fiancee had a good talk to her


i hope that we can discuss what here am i has said with out comming down on guys like my self who have had thes tattoos since we were non believers


i hope by what i have said has not offended anyone i needed to say what i said as i am a brother too

i was not going to respond but come back to see what is being said



God bless from damo

Thanks for the info on tatoo-ing, it's very interesting... a lot to think about.

Damo, I am sorry you have been judged for your tats, they were before you were saved so if anything they should be seen as a testimony of what you have come from. Even without tats, I have found that I have had some judgement for things I have done before I was a Christian. That's people for you. We just have to bear with one another and hopefully the Holy Spirit will show them where they are wrong; we are all growing at different rates and in different ways though. I'm sure I get stuff wrong, infact I do regularly! It's a good job the Lord hasn't given up on me though

It would only bother me if a Christian brother or sister got a tat, and if it was an occultic symbol. But then we are called to love one another so it would only influence me in regards to whether I thought they could speak into my life etc. Sorry if that seems harsh but I find that these days we need to be really careful that we separate from that which is unholy since the things of the world are infiltrating our lives so much.
I will teach my kids about tattooing but if they choose to go ahead and do that at some point in the future, I would let them know what I think, but then stand back and keep loving them.

Thank you Bessie


thank you sister for what you left just talk to your kids their is dangers to getting tattoos in some tattoo parlors they dont clean or sterlize their guns they use and some parlors are dirty you can catch hep c and if a guy blows it you are the one who is left to deal with the mistake he has made

their are tattoo parlors that clean there guns and they sterelize there equipment

you can get this info by google


i have sevral tattoos that wil offend some but as i said these were done when i was a non believer and before i decided to get my tattoos i looked into it and before i gave out any money i asked the hard questions i did not go to some one who has a shed in his back yard i went to a proffessional the guys that run tattoo shops are all bikers so they are the best ones

one thing i noticed when i went over the old testament it puzzled me to why on earth did the israelits push god they did not show any respect to moses or aron or the leaders moses and aron picked when they were rescued its as if they wanted to go back

no matter what god did the israelits just complained when god gave moses the laws and told moses that they are to abide by these laws the israelits who were rescued showed no respect

as a young christian i found my self going over the commandments i wanted to also learn about the people and the villages they settled in i did a fair bit of re search on the commandments and what leviticus had to say


with the way the world is changing i noticed we have also changed i also have observed that christians today do not look to the old testament many focus on the new testament even the people i know in my church focus on the new testament i love going over the old testament i dont know why i love going over the old testament i tend to spend my time going over the old testament i should focus on the new testament but some how i love what i am going over


God gave those laws to moses for a reason


i pray that your children listen to you as its something that is going to be with them for life once they decide



God bless from damo

Cheers Damo. Maybe next time someone objects you could ask if they'd rather contribute to your tat removal or feed some kids in India! $15000's a lot of money I'm just glad I didn't get a tat cos I was too much of a wuss, otherwise I'd probably have one from the old days.
People often speak before they engage the old grey cells. I'm glad your future MIL accepted you though.

Leviticus 19:28 is the Christian (or so-called Christian?) tattooist and tattoo-bearer's worst nightmare. The Lord plainly, clearly, strongly, and without a doubt – condemns the tattoo.

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28

The clear statement from the word of God does not settle anything for this generation of disobedient, carnal, worldly, tolerant, non-judgmental, Christians. Rather than obey God, they run miles and miles and miles to "justify" their open disobedience to the Word of God.

How do they get around Leviticus 19:28?

Clearly, there it is. "Ye shall not. . .print any marks upon you. . ."

A lot of Christians when confronted with Leviticus 19:28, scream, "Hey dude, that’s not for today. Man, that’s the Old Testament. I’m under the New Testament". (sound familiar??)


21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:21-23
Friend says:

Hello seems you did great research on this. And hygiene is #1 concern for tattooer's. I myself have one
but I got one when I was young. I am old now and gravity has taken over where it is and it has enlarged
to a much bigger heart!!!! Would I do it again, no. But.......

My question to you is the Levitical laws are from the covenant under MOSES.

Hebrews 6:12 say For when there has been a change is "PRIESTHOOD", there is a CHANGE of the LAW.

Hebrews 6:13 He of whom these things are said "Belonged to a different TRIBE" and NO ONE from that TRIBE
has EVER SERVED AT THE ALTAR.

This changed our Law we are under in the New Covenant that Hebrews speaks about. Our Laws encompass
the laws of written in Matthew book. And through out the New Testament we are given instructions. As the OT
had many books to guide them, we have many books in the NT to guide us.

The tattoo's are not covered under what I read there. I could be wrong, if you could find me more explicit
verses on this I'd certainly read them. For there is always something new to learn that we overlook.

Thanks Friend.

The more we fill up on the Word of God, the less we want of what the world has to offer. The idea is to refrain from any camaraderie with those of the world; instead to live a separated, sanctified life... and have the appearance of holiness. We will not look for loopholes in God's word to justify our opinions.

The Word of God says:

"ALL scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2Timothy 3:16-17

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10

"Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." -1John 2:15:16

Why resemble the world? We are commanded to come out from the world and be separate and to avoid the very appearance of evil.

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you" -2 Cor. 6:17

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." -1Cor. 6:20

my vote is no tattoos these days.

I agree with this. To me a Christian should abstain from the very appearance of evil. I have a tatoo from when I was a teenager, but I have lived to regret it, as it doen not represent what I am now; I do not think it is becoming as a Christian to have or get tatoos. I see this, and it reminds me of open rebellion...as does body piercings, and drunkeness, and revelry. Earrings do not bother me though, but only for women and not for men.

Romans 6:12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

The Word of God says:

"ALL scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2Timothy 3:16-17

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10

"Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." -1John 2:15:16


Thank you so much!!! Just the fact that we are the temple of God that he dwells in is the strongest verse for me to NOT get another one.....knowing I know God....

I find John 15:10 caught my eye. Jesus is making a clear statement that We are to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS we are under HIS and He came under HIS FATHER'S Commandments to fulfill, WOW. this just jumped out at me!!! wooohooo!!!

Thanks again, you gave wonderful verses that have strengthened me in the word. May the God of Peace be with you always!!!

Friend

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28


Don't you think that this OT prohibition was specifically refering to pagan rituals or some sort of tattooed or body mutilation sort of fetish/point of contact with the spirit realms or ancestor worship, for the simple fact that Canaanite tattooing was a form of witchcraft?

Is there a reason to assert that the tattooing refered to in Lev 19:28 is not a cosmetic design without any demonic significance involved, like most of today's tattoos. I don't see one. So, Lev is addressing pagan ritualistic tattoos, not todays culture's cosmetic tattooing.

Even so, the point of many of the OT laws was to keep Israel spiritually seperated and distinct from the pagan nations around them. These kind of laws were not really intended to be a universal, culture code or else we we all have to convert to Judaism. There are no Canaanite tattoos being made today. Their religions are extinct. So it would be virtually impossible to break that law today, unless you did some amazing archeological research with the intent to embrace some old Canaanitish religion. But before that, you would have to be a Jew or convert to Judaism.

I am not advocating getting new tattoos or not. I am addressing people's use of Lev 19:28.

Hi Eliyahuzion,

Yes, I agree it has to do with Pagans, but aren't the Pagan's and Gentiles the same meaning? Before we come to Christ we are Pagans, also called Gentiles.

What does the world do, they get tattooed and do orgies, and the like, all of which we all came out of into the light.
Now, I have a tattoo, would I get another one? No, because we are the temple of God. Not because of what Leviticus says.
But because of knowing we are the body that God dwells in and I want to outwardly look my best and inwardly where my change in my heart is taking place, must please God.

Now, these are my personal feelings, they are not to make you feel you have to think like me. For Paul said that it is sin to go against our consciousness. And as Paul went and got circumcised for to enter into a temple it was he consciousness allowing him for that act.

If some one wanted to go an get tattooed for purposes that would enable him to reach others in the gospel, I would not look down upon him for it. But that is my conscious that is guiding me.

Thanks I appreciate sharing conversations with you in Godly matters. May it help us all to grow in loving one another.

Friend.

... and you!!

Amen.

I couldn't have said that better myself.

I tattooed myself before I was saved. Thank God I put it in a discrete location.

How much of a witness is this? A chaos symbol with KHCP over it for Kenosha Hard Core Punks. I just say it means Kansas City's Holy People or Kansas City's Hellfire Preachers now. Lol.

You did make me laugh!!! We can laugh at our folly we have overcome!!!!
My ex's name was across the heart, that part got removed. I used to be a biker chick,
But now my heart that was 1 inch has now become 2 inches, not because I sit on it everyday.
For it has been gravity that has taken over!!!

Thanks for sharing,
God didn't come to call the wise of the world!!!!!
Friend

Jesus believed in body peircing when you figure out what i am saying then you will see why i said jesus believed in body peircing


un like some my tattoos are not small and they stand out i dont tend to hide what i got when i was a non believer

though god uses what i have and i do warn the young people in my church not to do this no matter how cool it looks

if i can turn things around and go back to when i was just 15yrs old i would not have gotten thes tattoos or did half the things i did


god looks at the heart he does not look at what we have on our bodies



those who belong to this world wil not listen to what we have to say no matter what the old testament laws are saying to us


in some cultures tattoos have a meaning and each prisoner wil tell you why he has those tattoos on him

in most cultures like New Zealand its accepted among the tribal men who belong to diffrent tribes


for me though i am not ashamed or do i hide my tattoos when questioned i wil respond


God bless from damo

And what about the verse before. This really bugs me, when Christian ignore this clear instruction and shave there sideburns


Leviticus 19:27 You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard.

Leviticus 20


23 And you shall not walk in the customs of the nations that i am driving out before you for they did all these things and therefore i detested them


24 But i have said to you you shall inherit their land and i wil give it to you to posses a land flowing with milk and honey i am the lord your god who has seperated you from the people



what do the israelits do they worship a statue made off gold they mock what ever moses has to say to them when moses was given the commandments and he comes down from the mountain what does he see happening in the camp ?



when the lord said to moses you shall not walk in the customs of that nation i wonder how hard it must have been for the people who moses rescued from pharohs grip these people were inslaved for most of their life they served pharoh and did this other wise they could say good by to their loved ones


some nations such as were my fiancee lives practise what their grand parents did when they were young

one island my fiancee goes to when she is preaching in this smal church that they planted the island is very occultic the men and women are tattood this way you can tell who they belong to


i know one guy who tattood on him self the women he has dated

farmers mark there sheep and cows also the dairy cows i use to look after have a yellow tag with their own number this yellow tag is put in their ear and when we do it its not nice for the cow


so much rules so much laws given to moses to pass on to the israeits


and i wonder if we were in their situation having all these rules and laws given to us what would be going threw our mind

i can see why christians tend to avoid the old testament and i can see why some will do this and say its not law today




God bless from damo

Seriously though in undertanding "tatoo or not to tatoo" "sideburns shave or sideburns grow, I think if we look at the context we'll find the principle behind thee commands and see if they apply specifically to our situation or whether there's a wider principle that applies.


Oops double posted with edit coming up

Sideburns?!

How Satanic!

Seriously though in undertanding "tatoo or not to tatoo" "sideburns shave or sideburns grow, I think if we look at the context we'll find the principle behind thee commands and see if they apply specifically to our situation or whether there's a wider principle that applies.

Is shaving our sideburns always an unholy act or was in just an unholy act for Israel at the time because of detestable customs associated with it?

With tatoos, are their cases in the bible where body mutilation is a positive thing? The ear pearcing for the bond servant would fit into this catogory, and probably so would the manditory practice of circumcision as well. I'm not unhappy this no longer applies to me in the new testament


Damo depending on what the associations of your tatoo were would for me be the factor in deciding whether there'd be value in removing it. I don't know whether blotting out would is a less expensive option if this were the case?

Wether or not people have tatoo's before or after they were "saved" does not really trouble me. I do wonder where the Holy Ghost was to reprove a person before he or she did get a tatoo though. I actually wanted to get one even after I was saved but every time the thought arose the Holy Spirit said "NO!" Needless to say I cast the thought down.

Keep this quiet, but did you know that Littlefaith has trimmed his sideburns?
Just watch that guy, that's all I'm saying

I guess this guys is doomed.

No no no! He's very holy. As you can see. For he has kept his sideburns.

Is that you?

You are correct! He is holy, in that sense. I can't imagine that Jesus looked anything like that though.

I don't know who he is. But he would look better without the huge chops. A trim maybe? Wait! That would be sin. Forget it. He looks very godly.

I feel so bad for sidetracking,
I also feel "inadequate",
for as a woman,
I can never aspire to such holy sideburns

But you can marry a man with them. You can encourage other men with huge chops to spread the word.

This is going on too long...

Amen to that!

Sorry for sidetracking HereIAm, I really love your threads, I have so much to learn from you. I hope my silliness hasn't offended you and that you continue posting, I would hate to be a discouragement to you.

God opens our eyes to learn as IT PLEASES HIM. We Christians are not to Judge a babe in Christ
but to encourage them in knowing God more.

Our Lord knows what he is doing with each of us, and we are told to love one another.

A tattoo is something that you MUST NOT DO if IT GOES against your Consciousness and heart.
But on the other side, WE are to LISTEN TO OUR HEARTS and not let them become Hardened.


We are all learning and we all have different understandings in some areas of our Christian walk
but we should NOT take our freedom and be a stumbling block to those of different opinions.

For we are all serving the ONE GOD.Amen

Friend

I'm thrown off here, what does sideburns have to do with Christianity?

It keeps your face warm in winter, short hair on the man is commanded,
but a beard or side burns are even a wig for a man is okay in Christ.

That's pictures of sideburns looks more like a beard that hasn't finished growing together at the chin!!!


Friend

27 You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard. Lev 19:23.

I bet you are a happy camper that you are not under the law of Moses!!! Cutting that little skin can be quite painful!!!

Can you imagine Paul telling his brother Timothy to get the skin wacked so they could go into a temple.
But what I find to be worse than the skin wacked off, is that all men had to show their circumcision to enter the temple.
Now that is a bit to much to expose your skin wacked off that your of that belief system....OUCH!!!

Just search the new testament for we are under a new set of laws as Hebrew 6:12 says. A lot of our laws expand greater the laws of under Moses. If it goes against your conscious, don't do it for a guide line. But you gotta be willing to examine your heart and pray about it, God won't let you down, if you'll listen to what he puts on your heart and in your mind concerning it.

Friend

Hi child of God,

Samson, from the tribe of Dan under the Law of Moses, also a Nazarene, was under the Law not to
cut his hair or to drink wine, right? His hair was LONG. Now we are not to have long hair today if
we are a man. Can't use the Law of Moses here can we?

I Corinthians 11:14 Doesn't the very nature of things tell us that
it is a disgrace for a man to have long hair?

The spirit of God will teach you right from wrong, we are under a new set of Laws that encompass the
right way of Loving God in our actions and loving our neighbors as our self. The is what the whole
law encompasses and we get side tracked when we go into the Law of Moses as a guide line.

LOL
Friend.

high


i got these when i was a non believer so as a non believer these laws i looked at when i got saved did not affect me concerning your question i will not remove what i have on me and i have had people ask me what i do is tell them the money i wil spend removing my tattoos can set one of our members in the new church my fiancee planted in the philippines can help a poor family buy a block of land and build a home and help the father start a business so he can feed his family


thos who belong to this world are not under the old testament law and the holy spirit does not say to a non believer not to do this when i decided to get sevral tatttoos i did not hear some strange voice telling me dont do this

my main concern is this when pastors and christians avoid what is said and go get a tattoo thinking they wil not be judged

one of my friends watned to do this i talked to him i warned him but i had to step back and alow him to make that choice


what puzzles me is this why on earth would a born again christian want to do this to them selves ?

when christians talk to me and say your tatts are cool i say thank you and then i ask the reason for why they think my tatts on me are cool i also have had to pull sevral christians up due to some thinking i am a non believer i had a bible collage student try this on me i stopped this bible collage student and said brother you are wasting your time i am a born again christian it puzzles me to why some think i am just comming in off the streets


the money some places ask for a tattoo to be removed is a joke this money could be given to a poor family in my fiancees country or given to an orphanage and it wil feed the kids in that orphange for 5yrs

we have kids who need sponcers we have a school on our churches ground in bacolod and the kids we reach out to are very poor the teachers belong to the main church so when ever i am asked to remove my tatts i simply ask wil you be willing then to help one of the kids in our care it amazes me how silent some christians are when given an honest answer




God bless from damo

Hi Damo, I love reading about your heart for reaching out and caring for these very poor kids


Bless you brother

Littlefaith

Looks like the pipe stains on the teeth fit the bill!

high littlefaith


thank you if i had the choice and could go back to when i was a non believer but i am having to just stay on the path he has me on

trust me when i say this i talk to christians like my self who have tattoos and the guys and women i talk to say excactly what i have stated they would have never done this if they new what was said in leviticus


but god uses what i have been threw and its up to the ones who listen to what i have to say to respond and then decide if its worth doing this as you are marked for life and the police do use what you have as id

i am know fellowshipping in the church i started my walk and the lord did something on sunday that blew me away one of the elders who new me when i was young came up to me after the service and he really encouraged me

i lost my father to cancer and alcahol and he sort of understood why i would run back to my past my friend often travels to russia with his wife and the daughter they addopted from china my friend works with a pastor who has takken on orphans and this pastor has a vison to were he wants to build a home big enough to take on the orphans in their care

my friend is a builder and carpenter he offered the pastor to build this house at no cost to him and his congregation


my friend knows that my fiancee is a pastor and he knows that i am about to head of in dec for our wedding

he embraced me on sunday and asked if i would accept him as my father i have been on my own since i was young so i had no proper role model around me or a dad to talk to or hang out with my friend wants me also to write down our needs which i am going to do today when i get back from town i could not stop crying i have been praying and asking god to put the right people around me and my fiancee as the kids we have have not had love shown to them they only eat one meal a day and most of thes kids go to the tip to find things they can sel so their mother can have food on the table

our members are very poor but they give out off love and wil help anyone in need with out asking for the money they give to be given back to them

i am nearly 41 yrs old so when my friend talked to me and said i want to be your father and wil you accept my offer i was dumb found

i am going to ring my fiancee and tell her what happend in church on sunday as its monday morning hear in Australia


god works when we trust him and dont doubt his word my friend wants to cover my needs when i travel and also wants to make sure i have enough money to last while i spend the time with my fiancee and my in laws

if any young person in your church is thinking of getting a tattoo warn them and tell them of the dangers as you can get hep c from the guns thes guys use


i like reading what you leave even though i dont know you it shows me you are mature



God bless from damo

I want to preface this with the fact that I am a Pastor's daughter, and I love and support the very difficult office of Pastor. Where oh where are the voices of the pastors teaching and preaching to their flock. Why are so many christians uncertain and vulnerable to every wind of doctrine?
Sounds like we need to do our first works over. What must baby saints think?
I think Pastor's need to stop the fluff and get back to teaching the poor unadultrated word of God.Never mind who's feelings get hurt.
Christians shouldn't be debating this ,and unsure about what to say to baby christians(me included) ,but we should have been taught and studied up so well that we are ready to answer any man quickly when asked the reason for our faith.
Christians should not be getting tats. Pre- salvation and babies are another subject.
We should be examples for the world. We should not be looking like them, and certainly not acting like they do. When they come to Christ they want to be cleaned up and different from the world they just exscaped from. I know I did. We are in the world but not of the world.

Sorry if I got carried away.