hi guys and gals!

i need some help. i wanted to do my thesis on evolution vs. creation, but realising that evolution is like the band on the titanic, playing their last song on the boat, i decided to do my thesis on the wonders of creation.

i've started out with genesis one and the whole thesis is just about the creation account in Genesis 1. i've got stuff like laminin, the human eye, the cells of leaves opening up on a certain note in a bird's song before daybreak, etc., but i need more. things in every aspect of the things created.

1. the stars and heavenly bodies
2. the plants
3. the animals
4. the earth and its wonders
5. the human body
i want to make it a book that is singing the greatness of God and to bring people just back to see how great our God really are.

does anyone have any interesting facts that i could research and use.

thanks.

ps. i've got material of kent hovind and louie giglio. so far they are the best.

I heard louie giglio speak once.... Very neat guy. Very grass roots...


Try this:

take all the items that were created (by day) and list them out. What do you see?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This doesn't tell us when just that there was a beginning. Notice too that "heaven" is not plural as it is in later chapters. This verse is speaking of the very beginning...the age before our present age.

1:2 (first part) And the earth "was" without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

The word "was" can also be translated as "became" and that footnote is shown in most modern bibles. When read the earth "became" void...it gives us a different meaning.

Satan's rebellion took place in the first age....long before his appearance in the garden of Eden. He was cast to earth and he is the "darkness" that was on the face of the deep. God destroyed that age because of his rebellion and the earth was flooded (not Noah's flood) but one long before that time. Then He began our present, second, age:

1:2 (second part) And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Our earth is billions of years old but this earth age is not.

Genesis huh? For sure one of my favorite books how much info you looking for????Its alot there

If all you have is the Bible, what more do you want?

You either are looking for nothing else other than the Bible, or, you're looking for more than the Bible.

If you're looking for more than the Bible, then clearly you're looking for books about the Bible / books that show the right way to interpret the Bible, etc., or the gospel of man, like someone in this forum's opinion of how the Bible should be interpreted. So which is it?

How about on the molecular level? Ever heard that Atoms blink in and out of existance? Interesting if you think that "we" could be actually blinking in and out of existance and don't really know it.

Only a God could create something like that.

I went hiking with some friends not too long ago and we were looking at the rocks in the Geological layers. Layers where you can see that sentiment was layed down....(from a flood). There is proof of a world wide flood in the rock layers around the world.

Also...you could try to see if you can fit this into your paper in some way. I know you want to focus on Creation only...but this can help prove your point.

You could talk about the Laws of Thermodynamics and how they disprove Evolution....because everything actually decreases.

Wish I could be of more help to ya. Best of luck. I like your topic.

I beg you to be careful what Christian literature you read and accept as the last word. Understand that Biblical Creationism is not fully developed and is still in need of some radical reformation (in hard science) as much as the Catholic church was in need of reformation the 13th century. I have read a lot about this subject from both sides quite regularly for 12 years. There is simply so much that no one understands yet. No, God's existance can not be proved from science. God's existance definitely can not be disproved with science either. God is outside of science and the "laws" of science are carnal and temporal at best. I pray God's blessing and wisdom on your project. I did something similar in college years ago. My teacher critisized me but still passed my paper (with an possibly undeserved C).

I, personally, would bring to light that the evolutionists' foundation is based upon a simple theory that, so far, defies math and hard science. It rests not only on the clout of its popular leaders' reputations, but upon extremely longshot chances that are mathematically ridiculous to say the least! If one will be a truly objective scientist, niether Biblical creationism nor any sort of evolutionary theory can be taken as likely with the data that we actually do have. Evolution is just a fantasy that was devised to fill the imagination's void. Creationism is just not able to be proven without the hard evidence that will never be found. Either worldview requires faith for an educated person.

If science is to be the endless pursuit of truth, than whatever theories are presented must be presented realistically with the actual evidence that we can "prove." It will trouble many people no matter what you find in science. Scientists, unquestionably, have bias.

I ask, why can't we creationists face a number of facts and say "we do not understand how to interpret this data when it comes to origins."? I can not expect evolutionist to be so honest since they do not have the presence of God in their life like a true Christian does. Evolution has no hard evidence at all. Creation has none either, but there are a lot of unanswered questions. Astronomy, Cosmology and Quantum Physics are fields that present numerous questions that no one has real answers for. Paleontolgy also presents some questions.

I have a real relationship with God and therefore I know that I know that God created everything because Genesis is abundantly clear on that. I know that all life on earth was created in six days because of Genesis. I know not when this presicely when this happened but that it had to be many thousands of years ago and not even one million years, because of the Bible's clarity. I know that humanity is unique and sacred. I know that humanity began as fully human, in a different and potentially greater format than we experience today. But as for the rest of space and time, the fossil "record," and physics of all genra's, I have more questions than hard answers.

I believe that when we can unquestionably "prove" what happened when God seperated the darkness from the light, we will be some good scientists. Untill then, science will be upon an eternal quest without a possible end. "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God." Hebrews 11. It will always be a matter of faith and not hard science. Hard science will likewise not be able to prove any sort of evolution either.

Be careful not to jump on all the creationists' ideas just because they use the Bible as a proof text. I say this because they can not sufficiently interpret so much science that seems to support ancient ages, etc. Starlight's age, asteroids, novas, light and lightspeed, the sun, certain archeology, etc, strongly support ancient ages. However, conversely, genetic complexity, protien's complexity, atomic complexity, cellular complexity, the sum of all the miniscule's complexity and its relationship to the whole of the universe's complexity are just the beginning of reasons why evolution should be considered a radical fringe theory at best. No one wants to admit that they don't have solid answers to most scientiific conundrums. Truly Christian science should freely admit that it is by faith that we understand the universe's origin. Evolutionists should do likewise. With our faith, it is so easy to see God's haniwork in all of creation. Evolutionists similarly see the work of time and chance in all order as well. Both are naturally impossible.

and God still let Satan hang around him in Job and in the Gospel accounts of Christ temptation....

Through creation, through fall, through trials, through tribulation... through it all... GOD is still in control.

Hi 'AppyGrove,


Yes, He let Satan "hang around" because he has a job to do. God loves all of His children and wants all to come to repentence. When Satan rebelled in the prior earth age and took many with him God didn't kill them but he shook and flooded the earth, as science shows (not the flood of Noah). Then this age began in which we are all born into a flesh body (all were spirit only in the first age). Now we must decide who we follow. That is Satan's job...to see who he can and cannot pull to him.

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I HAVE CREATED THE WASTER TO DESTROY.

God is still in control!

Why can't it?


There isn't anything outside of science. If you can't understand God exactly, that just means our understanding of science is limited.

Ask KansasDad.


I don't think evolution defies math - no where in the Bible does it say the age of the Earth nor how long ago the Adam and Eve story was. Sources that say how long Adam and Eve lived tend to be outside the Bible, not in it.


Um no, more like religion.


At its most general level, the theory of evolution states that the appearance of design and the formation of complex structures with an apparent purpose (where almost any change would make the structure fail to work) can arise without any intentional effort.

The formation occurs through a series of gradual steps. Evolution could not explain, for example, the sudden appearance of fully-formed wings on a child.

Evolution works as follows:

1) There must be some mechanism for random changes. (For living things, this is mutation.)

2) The things evolving must be able to reproduce by producing nearly-perfect copies of themselves.

3) The random changes must be capable of being passed on to copies.

4) The random changes must affect the ability of the things evolving to successfully reproduce.

And what evolution says will happen if you have these four things is that over time, those random changes that increase the ability to reproduce will predominate over those that don't. That is, the things evolving will, over time, become better and better at reproducing.

They will eventually appear to have been designed to successfully reproduce as they will be adapted to do so in whatever environment they evolve in.

Note that evolution does not say that those livings things that can best reproduce in fact reproduce the most. That's a tautology. It says that you preferentially carry those genes that improved the ability of your ancestors to reproduce over those that did not. And that over time random mutations that improve reproductive success will gain prevalence.

Note that in this general sense, computer simulations trivially prove that the theory of evolution is correct. However, this doesn't prove that it would happen in any case where you had just these four things. (And, clearly, you wouldn't. For example, if you had these four things, but you also had a planet where all living things were killed off every fifty years, you wouldn't evolve very much at all.) And, of course, that alone doesn't prove that the theory of evolution explains, for example, human intelligence.

To put it simply - evolution says that you have [the genes for] a digestive system that can digest apples because being able [and having the genes] to digest apples provided a survival [and reproductive] benefit to your ancestors.


You seem to be the 1st person that accepts Christianity is a religion, huh? Or that it is faith-based. This will contradict what Adullam and The Seven Thunders believe.


So faith is the pre-requisite to Christianity? Let me ask you this - what is the pre-requisite to faith?

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hi everyone.
this is great. thanks a lot. keep them coming.

i am looking into evolution, world religions, freemasonry,etc. and the influences it had through the ages on the church and on the man in the street, for my doctorate. with this one, i will have to be careful not to sound like a conspiracy theory- fanatic, because there are a lot of those flying around.

i enjoyed the thermodynamic laws, and am going to try and work it into my current thesis anyway. if not, i will use it for the next piece of work. i am really having fun with this, and trust me, i do inspect all information i have.

we have quite an interesting group of students in class, and we like to investigate and tear things apart. i think if i should mention some of the stuff we discuss, you will ban me from the site in totality.

thanks for your help anyway. it it really highly appreciated.

blessings.

The pre-requisite to faith is being a living human and having a functioning mind that can make these abstract decisions. Faith is apparently part of being made in the image of God , being human as opposed to animal or plant life.

I think evolution defies math in that the chances for the irreducibly complex systems, like protien (that is a building block of DNA), DNA, RNA, the extremely complex systems of the numerous, complex, interdependant organs inside any living cell, etc, to arise through random chance. When you crunch the numbers of random chance for things like these, the odds are stellar and staggering. Evolution is absolutely dependant upon these random chances having successfully happened countless times.

"By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible." Hebrews 11:3. If God were to be a scientist today, I am quite sure that these words here of His would be totally consistant with his science today. It will always remain true that it is by faith that we understand that God created the universe and the universe did not create its self. Science will never produce a video series of God creating the universe, complete with a panel of reputable scientists standing by observing it while it is being recorded all sorts of ways.


God can not be proven to exist from science because he can not be directly nor indirectly observed in a scientifically acceptable manner. I clearly see evidence of His design in the universe. But this is because I have faith in God already. If one does not put faith in God, one is left to search and imagine the universe's origin and its apparent design's origin. This may awaken faith in someone. But many choose to interpret data in a way that has no room for faith. God can not be directly observed under a microscope. He can not be seen through telescopes. We can not subject him to tests. He is not scienntific. Until Jesus returns and subjects himself to scientific research, God is outside the scope of scientific research.

Responding to bolded part....

I wouldn't say that. Those kind of discussions are expected in College. Best of luck on this paper. I've had a few that were fun for me too.

Okay, you basically said the pre-requisite to faith is "human intelligence." That is, a rock or an animal cannot have faith.

In any event, I was referring to the faith for things beyond science. For example, if no science can exlain something to be true, like a belief, then you need faith to believe it. And if science can prove something to be true, then you don't need faith in it.

This is where I come in. I say the pre-requisite to faith is volition. That is, human free will. I don't think anyone can come up with a rational way to decide on what to have faith in.

For example, science can't demonstrate that reincarnation in Hinduism is true, but Hindus still believe in it. Wouldn't it be their faith that have them belief in it?

Faith is only needed when science can't prove something to be true or non-true. Such as reincarnation, invisible pink unicorns.

So here's a topic for the original poster: how to find a rational way to decide what to have faith in.

Otherwise, people can choose to have faith in anything, such as the case with the Desi guy and astrology.

This is why I said the pre-requisite of faith is wanting it.

Take Humble Bob, for example. He has no evidence for the things he believes. He is a Christian because he likes it and wants to be 1, even though he has never seen the evidence.

Then, there's people like C, whom has stories of knowing someone in real life just about to commit suicide, and a voice comes out of no where, so C has more ample evidence than Humble Bob.