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dennis mann
Hubble's law is the statement in physical cosmology that the redshift in light coming from distant galaxies is proportional to their distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

my thoughts:

Hubble discovered that the stars farthest from earth had the greatest red shift........which means ........the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth with the greatest rate of acceleration.

all stars are accelerating away from earth.........and the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth at the greatest acceleration rate

what does this mean?

the earth is the center of the universe..........all stars are accelerating away from earth..........the earth is in a UNIQUE PLACE in the universe............no other planet is like earth

and

God's focus is on EARTH AND EARTHLINGS (MEN), as per the bible-text...........the SON OF GOD (JESUS) became a MAN (EARTHLING)............the son of god did not become a Martian or ET


the GOD-man was born on earth, THE GOD-MAN will Return to earth and will rule the Earth FOREVER into ETERNITY

THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH...........CHRIST JESUS was the perfection of humilty


why are all stars fleeing earth's presence?...........i don't know, unless........they are fleeing the GREAT TRIB and the a/c

at the FALL, all Creation was put under a curse...........the Stars have been suffering under this curse for 6000 years now.

will the Stars come nigh to earth and Jesus?........at His Return to Earth?..........i'm thinking yes

sin separates people ...........love brings people together into close fellowship

Hallelujah!
dennis mann




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift
Godsword
Actually, there are two possible physical explanations for the observed red-shift (that I am aware of). The simplest is that the Earth is at, or very near, the center of the Universe. The more complicated (requiring extra assumptions) is that space itself is expanding, which would mean that everything is accelerating away from everything else, and the observed red-shift from Earth would be observed from any other location in the Universe - that is, the Earth would not necessarily be in a unique or central location. The latter explanation is that clung to by atheists and "Big-Bang" adherents. The former is almost certainly the correct view. However, one must be careful to be accurate in what claims one makes; the red-shift does not necessarily prove that the Earth is at (or very near) the center of the Universe. I believe there are a couple of other pieces of evidence that shows that it is, but I don't recall them right now. The book, "Dismantling the Big Bang", is a good resource for these issues.
dennis mann
QUOTE (Godsword @ Aug 12 2008, 09:18 AM) *
Actually, there are two possible physical explanations for the observed red-shift (that I am aware of). The simplest is that the Earth is at, or very near, the center of the Universe. The more complicated (requiring extra assumptions) is that space itself is expanding, which would mean that everything is accelerating away from everything else, and the observed red-shift from Earth would be observed from any other location in the Universe - that is, the Earth would not necessarily be in a unique or central location. The latter explanation is that clung to by atheists and "Big-Bang" adherents. The former is almost certainly the correct view. However, one must be careful to be accurate in what claims one makes; the red-shift does not necessarily prove that the Earth is at (or very near) the center of the Universe. I believe there are a couple of other pieces of evidence that shows that it is, but I don't recall them right now. The book, "Dismantling the Big Bang", is a good resource for these issues.



you said:
" The more complicated (requiring extra assumptions) is that space itself is expanding, "

that is the evolutionist's complicated and contrived lie to keep the BIG BANG theory alive.

if that were true,
the meter would get longer every day.
the wave-length of a certain light-beam (to define the length of the meter) would get longer every day.

my gallon jug would get larger every day.

light travels at 186,000 miles per second...........but those miles are getting longer every day

how does that work?............nothing is stable..........nothing has a solid foundation, which is good for the liar,,,,,,,,he keeps changing the rules to stay 1 step ahead of the Truth.
Godsword
dennis,


QUOTE
my gallon jug would get larger every day.

light travels at 186,000 miles per second...........but those miles are getting longer every day

how does that work?............nothing is stable..........nothing has a solid foundation, which is good for the liar,,,,,,,,he keeps changing the rules to stay 1 step ahead of the Truth.


I'm not sure how all that is supposed to work, but I don't accept it in any case. I think Atheists/Evolutionists who accept the "Big Bang" would say that the effects are not observable on small scales ("small" meaning perhaps only hundreds of thousands of miles, or maybe millions).
dennis mann
planet A is on the far side of the universe

we see planet A accelerating away from us extremely fast
and stars near Planet A are doing the same thing

stars near earth appear (to us) as being motionless, or slow

but what would a man on Planet A see, when he looks around?.........his nearest planets are moving AWAY from him, slowly or rapidly?

when men on Planet A looks at earth, what do they see?.........all the stars around us are very slow or motionless?

this thought experiment destroys the evolutionist's arguement
Neal
Oh I get this logic.

If I was on the moon, then Hubble's law proves the moon is at the center of the universe.

If I was on Mars, then Hubble's law proves that Mars is at the center of the universe.

After all, stars coming toward and away the Earth tend to be a different color end of the spectrum!

Dum deee dum dum!
dennis mann
QUOTE (Neal @ Aug 14 2008, 01:00 PM) *
Oh I get this logic.

If I was on the moon, then Hubble's law proves the moon is at the center of the universe.

If I was on Mars, then Hubble's law proves that Mars is at the center of the universe.

After all, stars coming toward and away the Earth tend to be a different color end of the spectrum!

Dum deee dum dum!



but there are no stars coming toward earth , moon, mars

all stars appear to be accelerating away from earth

the farthest stars (from earth) are accelerating away with the greatest acceleration rate

Neal enjoys lying to hurt people...........he likes to push people's buttons
Neal
Barnard's star? Approaching Earth at 87 miles her hour? Or kilometer's per hour?
Neal
87 miles/second, not miles/hour.

It's some 6.0 light-years away, and by the year 11,800, it will be 3.8 light-years away.
happy2Bfree
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 12 2008, 07:51 AM) *
Hubble's law is the statement in physical cosmology that the redshift in light coming from distant galaxies is proportional to their distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

my thoughts:

Hubble discovered that the stars farthest from earth had the greatest red shift........which means ........the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth with the greatest rate of acceleration.

all stars are accelerating away from earth.........and the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth at the greatest acceleration rate

what does this mean?

the earth is the center of the universe..........all stars are accelerating away from earth..........the earth is in a UNIQUE PLACE in the universe............no other planet is like earth

and

God's focus is on EARTH AND EARTHLINGS (MEN), as per the bible-text...........the SON OF GOD (JESUS) became a MAN (EARTHLING)............the son of god did not become a Martian or ET


the GOD-man was born on earth, THE GOD-MAN will Return to earth and will rule the Earth FOREVER into ETERNITY

THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH...........CHRIST JESUS was the perfection of humilty


why are all stars fleeing earth's presence?...........i don't know, unless........they are fleeing the GREAT TRIB and the a/c

at the FALL, all Creation was put under a curse...........the Stars have been suffering under this curse for 6000 years now.

will the Stars come nigh to earth and Jesus?........at His Return to Earth?..........i'm thinking yes

sin separates people ...........love brings people together into close fellowship

Hallelujah!


Wouldn't they be accelerating away from the Earth because the Earth is the point at which you looked at this from?

I don't know how the Earth can be considered the center. That would be very hard to know because we can't even see as far as the Universe spreads yet.

And our Solar System (where our Earth is) is certainly not the center of our Galaxy. We are located on one of the outer arms.

And I'm thankful for that considering that there is a HUGE Black Hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.
dennis mann
QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 14 2008, 03:23 PM) *
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 12 2008, 07:51 AM) *
Hubble's law is the statement in physical cosmology that the redshift in light coming from distant galaxies is proportional to their distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

my thoughts:

Hubble discovered that the stars farthest from earth had the greatest red shift........which means ........the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth with the greatest rate of acceleration.

all stars are accelerating away from earth.........and the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth at the greatest acceleration rate

what does this mean?

the earth is the center of the universe..........all stars are accelerating away from earth..........the earth is in a UNIQUE PLACE in the universe............no other planet is like earth

and

God's focus is on EARTH AND EARTHLINGS (MEN), as per the bible-text...........the SON OF GOD (JESUS) became a MAN (EARTHLING)............the son of god did not become a Martian or ET


the GOD-man was born on earth, THE GOD-MAN will Return to earth and will rule the Earth FOREVER into ETERNITY

THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH...........CHRIST JESUS was the perfection of humilty


why are all stars fleeing earth's presence?...........i don't know, unless........they are fleeing the GREAT TRIB and the a/c

at the FALL, all Creation was put under a curse...........the Stars have been suffering under this curse for 6000 years now.

will the Stars come nigh to earth and Jesus?........at His Return to Earth?..........i'm thinking yes

sin separates people ...........love brings people together into close fellowship

Hallelujah!


Wouldn't they be accelerating away from the Earth because the Earth is the point at which you looked at this from?

I don't know how the Earth can be considered the center. That would be very hard to know because we can't even see as far as the Universe spreads yet.

And our Solar System (where our Earth is) is certainly not the center of our Galaxy. We are located on one of the outer arms.

And I'm thankful for that considering that there is a HUGE Black Hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFx7YX9dlBc

YOUTUBE VIDEO, 22 MINUTES

about 8.5 minutes into the video, they begin to explain these issues, with really great photos and explanations

simple enough for this plow-boy to understand it.............Praise God!


What "Horror" couldn't E. Hubble Face?
By Robert V. Gentry
http://www.halos.com
Earth Science Associates
P.O.Box 12067
Knoxville, TN 37912-0067

Edwin Powell Hubble, in his book, The Observational Approach To Cosmology, published in 1937, wrote - pg 51, "The unwelcome supposition of a favored location must be avoided at all costs."
pg 59 - "To escape the horror of a unique position." and said to be "intolerable".
pg 54 - "There must be no favored location, no center, no boundary, all must see the universe alike."

What does real science reveal?


i highly recommend it.
dennis mann
QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 14 2008, 03:23 PM) *
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 12 2008, 07:51 AM) *
Hubble's law is the statement in physical cosmology that the redshift in light coming from distant galaxies is proportional to their distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

my thoughts:

Hubble discovered that the stars farthest from earth had the greatest red shift........which means ........the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth with the greatest rate of acceleration.

all stars are accelerating away from earth.........and the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth at the greatest acceleration rate

what does this mean?

the earth is the center of the universe..........all stars are accelerating away from earth..........the earth is in a UNIQUE PLACE in the universe............no other planet is like earth

and

God's focus is on EARTH AND EARTHLINGS (MEN), as per the bible-text...........the SON OF GOD (JESUS) became a MAN (EARTHLING)............the son of god did not become a Martian or ET


the GOD-man was born on earth, THE GOD-MAN will Return to earth and will rule the Earth FOREVER into ETERNITY

THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH...........CHRIST JESUS was the perfection of humilty


why are all stars fleeing earth's presence?...........i don't know, unless........they are fleeing the GREAT TRIB and the a/c

at the FALL, all Creation was put under a curse...........the Stars have been suffering under this curse for 6000 years now.

will the Stars come nigh to earth and Jesus?........at His Return to Earth?..........i'm thinking yes

sin separates people ...........love brings people together into close fellowship

Hallelujah!


Wouldn't they be accelerating away from the Earth because the Earth is the point at which you looked at this from?

I don't know how the Earth can be considered the center. That would be very hard to know because we can't even see as far as the Universe spreads yet.

And our Solar System (where our Earth is) is certainly not the center of our Galaxy. We are located on one of the outer arms.

And I'm thankful for that considering that there is a HUGE Black Hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFx7YX9dlBc

YOUTUBE VIDEO, 22 MINUTES

about 8.5 minutes into the video, they begin to explain these issues, with really great photos and explanations

simple enough for this plow-boy to understand it.............Praise God!


What "Horror" couldn't E. Hubble Face?
By Robert V. Gentry
http://www.halos.com
Earth Science Associates
P.O.Box 12067
Knoxville, TN 37912-0067

Edwin Powell Hubble, in his book, The Observational Approach To Cosmology, published in 1937, wrote - pg 51, "The unwelcome supposition of a favored location must be avoided at all costs."
pg 59 - "To escape the horror of a unique position." and said to be "intolerable".
pg 54 - "There must be no favored location, no center, no boundary, all must see the universe alike."

What does real science reveal?


i highly recommend it.
Godsword
Neal,


QUOTE
Barnard's star? Approaching Earth at 87 [miles/second]?


On sufficiently large scales, all stars are accelerating away from Earth (at least, that's what I think I've gathered). On smaller scales, "local" motion can be greater than the local effects of the expansion of space.
Belinda
great, now i have scientific proof for my thesis. funny enough, my thesis is called centre stage! whether earth is centre of the universe i still have to go and see on your link, but according to the Bible we are really the centre of creation, everything was created for us in order to enjoy and glorify God for it. all creation sings out His glory.

halleluja! thanks for the link.
blessings
dennis mann
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

When Adam Fell, God put a curse on ********ALL********Creation.......including men, children, stars, moons, all universe, angels, demons, dogs, my cat, etc

WHY?

Before the Fall, God gave Mankind DOMINION over all creation............so when Adam fell, Creation fell

God made Creation (universe) for MANKIND!

read Genesis 1-5

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

When God restores mankind, God will restore ALL creation..........except the rebel-men and rebel-angels.
Neal
QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 14 2008, 03:23 PM) *
Wouldn't they be accelerating away from the Earth because the Earth is the point at which you looked at this from?

Lol, aha this looks like something I said, but then, rearranged the words a bit but it basically meant the same thing I said.

And then the below quote is similar to exactly what I said in another thread.

QUOTE
I don't know how the Earth can be considered the center. That would be very hard to know because we can't even see as far as the Universe spreads yet.

And our Solar System (where our Earth is) is certainly not the center of our Galaxy. We are located on one of the outer arms.

And I'm thankful for that considering that there is a HUGE Black Hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Delusional
QUOTE (dennis mann @ Aug 12 2008, 08:51 AM) *
Hubble's law is the statement in physical cosmology that the redshift in light coming from distant galaxies is proportional to their distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

my thoughts:

Hubble discovered that the stars farthest from earth had the greatest red shift........which means ........the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth with the greatest rate of acceleration.

all stars are accelerating away from earth.........and the most distant stars are accelerating away from earth at the greatest acceleration rate

what does this mean?

the earth is the center of the universe..........all stars are accelerating away from earth..........the earth is in a UNIQUE PLACE in the universe............no other planet is like earth

and

God's focus is on EARTH AND EARTHLINGS (MEN), as per the bible-text...........the SON OF GOD (JESUS) became a MAN (EARTHLING)............the son of god did not become a Martian or ET


the GOD-man was born on earth, THE GOD-MAN will Return to earth and will rule the Earth FOREVER into ETERNITY

THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH...........CHRIST JESUS was the perfection of humilty


why are all stars fleeing earth's presence?...........i don't know, unless........they are fleeing the GREAT TRIB and the a/c

at the FALL, all Creation was put under a curse...........the Stars have been suffering under this curse for 6000 years now.

will the Stars come nigh to earth and Jesus?........at His Return to Earth?..........i'm thinking yes

sin separates people ...........love brings people together into close fellowship

Hallelujah!


Give me some of what your smokin, because I want to be the center of the universe too (Although I hope to have my own some day to do as I will)
happy2Bfree
QUOTE (Neal @ Aug 19 2008, 11:45 AM) *
QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 14 2008, 03:23 PM) *
Wouldn't they be accelerating away from the Earth because the Earth is the point at which you looked at this from?

Lol, aha this looks like something I said, but then, rearranged the words a bit but it basically meant the same thing I said.

And then the below quote is similar to exactly what I said in another thread.

QUOTE
I don't know how the Earth can be considered the center. That would be very hard to know because we can't even see as far as the Universe spreads yet.

And our Solar System (where our Earth is) is certainly not the center of our Galaxy. We are located on one of the outer arms.

And I'm thankful for that considering that there is a HUGE Black Hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.



Great minds think alike? Lol!

That is the best explaination I can give....because I don't recall reading your replys (before I posted mine, that is). tongue.gif

I did go back after making this post and found that you had said something similar in this thread. I was glad that someone else was thinking along the same lines.
Godsword
QUOTE
I don't know how the Earth can be considered the center. That would be very hard to know because we can't even see as far as the Universe spreads yet.

Well, because all distant stars appear to be accelerating away from the Earth. This is similar to what might happen in an explosion, where from the center all the material would be moving away from that location.


QUOTE
And our Solar System (where our Earth is) is certainly not the center of our Galaxy. We are located on one of the outer arms.

The issue is whether the Earth is at or near the center of the Universe, a vastly larger thing than a "mere" galaxy. (I've also wondered how astronomers could discern the Earth's relative location within the Milky Way.)


QUOTE
And I'm thankful for that considering that there is a HUGE Black Hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Yes, a handy pivot, which will have no bearing on us, since the re-creation (renewal?) of the heavens and the Earth will take place FAR before the Earth would end up in a black hole, and before the Sun would expand and ultimately burn out.
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