Not made by me, but everyone wanted to know.

Also, this one is good too.

Being left out by man should institute the understanding you are left out by God.. I am on a trip to Bonaire and I do not have my SCUBA certificate...so I have to be satisifed with snorkelling. It is basic to the motivation of man at every level...not joining in a given thing eliminates one from the inner sanctum of that thing...unendorsed and sitting on the rail. A country founded on Judeo Christian principals seemingly has rules of conduct and membership...I bet you would be sidelined in Turkey or someplace if you were not bowing to their understanding of God. Christians get killed for their belief in some of those places. Everywhere you go in life the hunter can also become the hunted...tough but true...I do not think it is open season on atheists everywhere but it surely can be for Christians...even among Christians...

Why atheists care about religion.


It depends on the people their.

Everywhere?

These videos were on why atheists care about religion, not just Christianity, anyways.

Stalin was an atheist. He showed us how a godless state can come together for the common good. At least that is what some of the survivors of his regime believed. What would this atheist utopia look like today? Would not christians be treated far more harshly than atheists are in our present societies? Atheists have it easy.

There is no such thing as a Christian society, anyway. Power has it's own religion. Hitler was not a Christian. There is an influence, however, when we live godly lives.

Most of the arguments against religious intolerance derive from a misuse of the bible in the first place.

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John

I don't think it's relevant to post a list of bad atheists. For example, Mother Teresa might have been an atheist. Or Mohondas K. Gandhi.

Or does the % of good and bad atheists be meaningful?

I for 1 feel the world is necessary to have atheists.

My reason for this is medical care... and doctors.

Fundamentalist Christians and extremist Muslims are so close-minded to science. Just look at how Dennis Mann and me go in the other thread.

People coming out of seminary school don't become doctors. No M.D.s. People wanting to spend every Sunday going to church and Bible studying their whole life tend to not go into advanced professions.

I kind of find it unfair if fundamentalist Christiand and extremist Muslims have atheist doctors.

If everyone in the world were Christian or Muslim, there wouldn't be enough doctos out there.

If everyone in the world were Christian or Muslims for thousands of years, there would be no discovery of penicillin, hepatis shots, polio vaccine, etc. There would be no advances in medicine.

You see, if everyone in the world were Christian, everyone would rely only on prayer. But why hasn't prayer solved any single global problems?

So who are the people that become doctors and discover medicine? Why, atheists. Or non-followers. If everyone accepted that because some children got sick and some didn't, and that it was God's will, then what would be the point of discovering medicine? Just rely on prayer!

My Dad grew up in a strongly religious town. He went to a Catholic high school. Nobody there goes into the medical profession. The doctors in the hospitals of that town are all immigrants from places like India. How else can they find doctors?

Imo, it's pretty wrong for Christians and Muslims that are narrow-science minded to have atheist doctors.

I mean, I heard a lot of people say Muslims are 13th century people. Time stopped for them in the 1200s. Or should everyone be Christian scientists? And avoid taking the shots in public school?

And then there's Ammish Christians! They're from 5,000 BC! You think extremist Muslims are bad from the 1200s, Ammish Christians are from 5,000 B.C.!

Actually, neither Mother Theresa nor Gandhi were atheists. Both were fine examples of theists. Genghis Khan on the other hand....

It is easy for atheists to complain about their lot, while suffering because of predominantly theist societies. However, in spite of the normal abberations, these same atheists would complain even more under a godless dictator. People will always complain about something. Look at the people in the wilderness...in spite of all the signs and wonders that God performed for them on a daily basis, they found grounds for complaint.

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John

Imo, theist dictators have changed a lot from the Renaissance, Dark Ages, and centuries ago.

I think maybe the town where you are from just possibly lacked in the academic area. There are plenty of Christian doctors. My own sister is one. And I have a sister in law that is one as well.

Amish pre-deluvian? Hmmm!

I think what you are saying is that to be heavenly minded is no earthly good. But I think rather that we aren't heavenly minded enough! We're only half-baked...like someone caught between two languages who can't express himself in either. IMHO

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John

amen Adullam

i have been told that their is a christian dr giving a lecture on this very point the op has made and he has booked out the uni to do this he is going to be speaking in the city i am living in but sadly i am not able to go hope fully some one from my church is going and wil share

also if you have cable tv and can get the christian programs i would recomend that you do this


i watch this proffesor his name is on the tip of my tongue he goes into schools and collages and debates with students this guy is very educated and very wise by what he says to the students who end up willing to respond to the Questions he throws at them


we live in a world were as you said people love to complaine and what i have observed athiests are the ones that always do the complaining they wil read the bible for loop holes and they will try to prove their point


god has his hands on us


hear is something to ponder on



Ezekiel 16


1 The lord spoke his word to me he said

2 son of man make known to the people of Jerusalem the disgusting things they have done


3 Tell them this is what the almighty lord says to the people of Jerusalem your birth place and your Ancestors were in the land of the Canaanites your father was an Amorite and your mother was a Hittite

4 when you were born your unbilical cord wasnt cut you weren ' t washed with water to make you clean you weren ' t rubbed with salt or wrapped in cloth


5 no one who saw you felt sorry enough for you to do any of these things but you were thrown into an open field you were rejected when you were born


6 Then i went by you and saw you kicking around in your own blood i said to you live





Jude

1 - 8 Yet in a similar way the people who slipped in among you are dreamers they contaminate their bodies with sin reject the lords Authority and insult his glory



is this not what an Atheist is good at doing ? Athiests cant stand god or will they repent and turn around but they will mock him reject his authority and do as they please atheists think they are so wise and we know what god says when it comes to the wise among us


the more i spend my time going over gods word and in prayer i am able to see how much he loves us i am also seeing that their were Atheists living among the christians in the old testament and in the new testament i can see this


those who reject god i feel he is going to give them a chance and if they choose to reject him he will send them to were satan and his angels will be sent

god wants a relationship with us he cares for us though the walls we put up around us how on earth can god show you how much he cares for you ?


i am so use to the excuses athiests tend to throw at us


God bless from damo

Christian:
"All Buddhists are going to hell because they have not accepted Jesus Christ.
All Muslims are going to hell because they have not accepted Jesus Christ.
All Hindus are going to hell because they have not accepted Jesus Christ.
All Jews are going to hell because they have not accepted Jesus Christ."
Atheist:
"What makes any of those religions less valid than yours?"
Christian:
"STOP OPPRESSING ME AND MY SACRED, DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS! GAH!"



I know, why read (or debate) and try too disprove the bible when you could just call someone a demon and win?


Is that really God? Or a false feeling of safety that the bible has given you?





I'm doing well without him. I've never suffered because I don't believe in him, either. But why would I? He doesn't exist.


The only way I've mocked god, ever, is by not believing in him.



Believe it or not, Atheists are not morale-less.


We are far from knowing everything. The same applies to everyone.


Yes, yes. Everyone who does not believe in your all-loving, merciful and forgiving god will go to hell. Even if that person was not really much of a bad person.



Did you mean science? Like the fact that the moon is not actually a light like it says in the bible? Bill Nye was booed in Texas for pointing out that fact.

Why can't atheists appreciate the moonlight?

I appreciate the moonlight.

I appreciate the moonlight, I just recognize that it isn't the moons light.

So are English speakers in error? In French it is "au clair de lune"...by the clarity (but not light) of the moon. Are the French less deceived than the English?

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John

i can say the same by what you have pasted and left for us to ponder

well you live out your life live it to the full believe in what you want to believe in and try not to get christians to question the bible
this is what an atheist is good at doing hay i use to be one my self and i can tel you i was a hard head i just dont jump in the deep end

as i said i am use to the excuses an athiest makes


and if this was a godly society with the old laws in full effect i feel you would go out of your way to protest and say its not fair why should i accept these old laws and then live by them

so you have not fallen sick or had anything happen to you good for you how is your ego ?


can i ask why do atheists troll christian forums dont you have your own forums one thing i have noticed when a chrstian joins an atheist forum boy do you guys like drilling the chrisitan


as i said if you are happy live your life to the full


i dont have to question what i believe in i tend to believe that what happend did happen and i tend to feel that god does see what goes on this earth and i tend to believe that he is going to judge us i cant say when this is going to happen but when god decides its time to judge us wil you dare say to god what you leave in this forum why are you so mean why dont you care and were where you when the world was falling appart and why did you not save those children and the poor who suffer in third world countrys


athiests tend to focus on world events and use this against us to show us how mean god is well god showed us by what he did in the past and the same out come will happen come judgment day


hay i am cracking up by what i am reading concerning what you are leaving us it shows me how bright you really are





God bless from damo

There are times when an atheist becomes a theist. At that time the whole world takes on a new look for that man.

hear is my question why would an Atheist care about religon ?

can we get an honest responce with out saying god does not exist or ussing science as an excuse or the big bang and bring up darwin as the rcc is about to honor darwin and i feel this is going to be another excuse to celebrate the dead saints i am just hearing this that the rcc is going to honor darwin i heard that he could have been a catholic which i find hard to believe as i read what darwin had to say and he had me hooked when i use to mock god


so how about it why do Atheists tend to care about religon and which religon does an atheist care for as we have many diffrent religons among us the catholics say that the muslims faith holds close to there faith

we also have buhdists and hindus and we have many that worship animals for example in india rats are highly honored and then you have men who worship women and so on


we also have the new age movement and many have fallen for what the new age has to offer

so an honest responce would be appreciated that way it saves anyone getting blasted or the op being challanged

does the op worship his magazines he reads does the op worship his programs he watches on tv does the op tend to worship pornograhpy is he a person who has taken on diffrent religons ?



does the op worship allah ?




God bless from damo

Your question may have a false premise. An atheist may not care about religion.

O.o.

ah but if you go over what the op has left us and it says Replying to why Athiests care About religon

so by me asking does not have a false premise i just want to see where the op is going with this that way no confussion arises and we are talking civaly with each other



God bless from damo

Atheism is a manmade religion too.

It's predicated on the faith that there is no God, because there's no proof that shows God does not exist

Ironic, isn't it?

Sorry 'bout that. If I did get rid of the " bad words" you would see way too many stars.






Please, the "THERE NOT REAL CHRISTIANSSS!!!111ONEONEONE!!" card is overrated.



Do you mean Science? Or stuff like Iraq? I don't get wht you mean by world events.


Christianity has OT levels? But seriously, why? Are you afraid that they wil question their beliefs? I some cases, that can make them believe more.

Post#22
I consider atheism to be the lack of belief (Not the raising hands in the air and singing type of belief) in any god and nothing more, really.

QUOTE
i tend to warn new believers and tell a new believer to avoid getting into a debate with an athiest

Christianity has OT levels? But seriously, why? Are you afraid that they wil question their beliefs? I some cases, that can make them believe more.

^ ^ Gravelz ^ ^ . . . some ideas from you ? Right ?



Gravelz :

Did you mean the raising hands in the air and singing type of belief like this ?


Gaither (Rivers of Joy) - Dwelling In Beulah Land
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKk78Q8jdKw

I tend to agree, the atheist has no need to raise hands(Yod) in the air and sing, their
type of belief.

Who would they be raising hands or singing to ?

Would not work, you are correct !

Atheist have OT levels also. Meaning . . . the wonderful contribution of the Occupational Therapist(OT)
who are atheist, resolving all those worldwide hunger mission projects for the starving nations, those
charity organizations to promote consumer protection laws, . . . now, what else have atheist
accomplished for mankind ?

Oh, forgive the typo--------------- I meant the sentence to read, exactly as you stated it :

( quote from Gravelz )
Christianity has OT levels? But seriously, why? Are you afraid that they wil question their beliefs? I some cases, that can make them believe more.


Yep, that is the right correction ! . . . So you are correct . . .

It is the Christianity, not the atheist having OT (Occupational Therapists) . . . levels, . . . and correct
again Gravelz, in some cases, that can make them believe more.

Yes, I know both atheist and Christians perform `good will` to mankind. Just what %, each have
factual documentation to provide these `good will` gestures, is easy to web search.

And yes, I knew you meant OT (Old Testament).



Did you grasp the parallel's ?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_therapy
Most commonly, Occupational Therapists and Occupational Therapy Assistants work with people with disabilities to enable them to maximize their skills and abilities. Occupational Therapy gives people the "skills for the job of living" necessary for "living life to its fullest."[3] This also reflects the intent of the OBRA law of 1993 to provide clients with rehabilitation to their "maximum functional ability."

Services typically include:

Customized intervention programs to improve one's ability to perform daily activities.
Comprehensive home and job site evaluations with adaptation recommendations.
Performance skills assessments and treatment.
Adaptive equipment recommendations and usage training.
Guidance to family members and caregivers.[3]

Besides whether people think whether God exists or not, or whether the Jesus Christ story was true or not, here's the last (and smallest) reason for atheism, or why individuals leave Christianity.

Religion, is something that condemns:

Pre-legal marital sex.
Abortion of zygotes.
Lust.
Homosexuality.
Masterbation.

So some people don't want to have all that pressure against them, so few atheists are atheists because of that.

It is kind of sad to believe in nothing. Just this trip in the dirt and that's it.

When my dad died the first time, he told me that there was not a moment of not being aware. He simply passed into another realm. He then prayed and asked God to allow him to live until my sister left school (she had a very troubled childhood) My dad came back to life and lived a long and healthy life after that, until a few years ago, when he died again. This time , I guess he went to stay

C

You are right. Many people choose against God, so that they can live a life that serves themselves. In fact , the Bible tells us that everybody , naturally, will run away from God. It's God's grace that allows us to choose Him, above the lusts of our flesh.

That (the running away ) of course does not make it the right thing to do, it simply means that it is something that people do.

C

Um no, people choose against God for a reason, not "just because."

This principle is very simple.

Let's say a person has 2 choices.

He could say:

1.I am a Christian, and I masterbate.

Or.

2.I am an atheist, and I masterbate.

For him to be #1, he will be hassled by the religious community. Christians will ring his doorbell, phone him, 24/7 about how they want to pray for him, how masterbation is wrong and is a sin, and how he's going to go to Hell when he dies, and try to get him to go to church every Sunday. The swarms and swarms of them will come to his house giving him the constant prayers.

And if he said, "I am an atheist." They'll leave him alone. They won't be ringing his doorbell or anything.

1 of the 10 laws of economics says people respond to incentives. Religion is obviously an incentive to some people. And not to others.

Christianity, like most religions, is mostly an "all or nothing." It's not okay to be a Christian and have an abortion at age 14 if you got raped.

I've been in other Christian forums, where members are worse than you guys. Some of them feel boys and girls shouldn't even swim in the same swimming pool (well mostly teens). Some condemn bikini car wash. Etc.

Neil :

There are rewarding scriptures of the divine truth of sex, created by God (IHVH).
What is in the bed room . . . is a sacred rite of passage between adults, under the
guidelines of the Word.

Sorry, you have been viewing the negative feedback. Here are some very sacred areas
. . . I ask you to be respectful and tread without commentary @cliff jumping off level !

Although, with the seasoned respectful speech, you so often present . . . I know
you see what I am saying.

May these passages promote you toward a bride for your companionship and sexual
desires. With prayer, I hope all readers remember people are not perfect, even
King David lusted and commited sin, unto murder.

So, if santification is required in the mistakes made . . . as human, our afflicted
flock as well as the infidel reader, can search God (IHVH), for He is a God of mercy.

Blessings . . .




http://pastorblastor.wordpress.com/2008/04...solomon-210-13/
My lover spoke and said to me, “Arise, my darling, my beautiful one, and come with me. See! The winter is past; the rains are over and gone. Flowers appear on the earth; the season of singing has come, the cooing of doves is heard in our land. The fig tree forms its early fruit; the blossoming vines spread their fragrance. Arise, come, my darling; my beautiful one, come with me.” (Song of Solomon 2:10-13)

It is that time of year again in the northern hemisphere when the earth turns itself towards the warmth of the sun’s rays and spring comes again to a cold and dreary landscape. The writer Solomon wrote of two lovers who sang love songs to one another and here we find them talking to one another about the passing of winter. It is a beautiful scene.



http://www.tagnet.org/adventist.fm/articles/songsol.htm
This is not the only use of this double meaning word in the book. In ancient times the whole family often slept in one bed (Luke 11:7). So the husband/wife sexual relationship usually occured elsewhere, such as in a garden.
In chapter 7:11-12 the woman says to the man:

"Let us go to the countryside....
Let us go early to the vineyards
to see if their blossoms have opened,
and if the pomegranates have bloomed.
There I will give you my love."
Or this last line can be:
"There I will give you my breasts."
The erotic nature of this husband/wife relationship could hardly be more clearly stated. The fact that this is found in Scripture suggests that this is the type of relationship God wants wives to have with their husbands.





Hebrews 11:25

King James Bible
Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;


1 Timothy 4:1

King James Bible
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


http://bible.cc/hebrews/13-4.htm

International Standard Version (©2008)
Let marriage be kept honorable in every way, and the marriage bed undefiled. For God will judge those who commit sexual sins, especially those who commit adultery.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Marriage is honorable in every way, so husbands and wives should be faithful to each other. God will judge those who commit sexual sins, especially those who commit adultery.

King James Bible
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

I meant OT as in Operating Thetan. Operating Thetan is the caste system of Scientology.
It goes
OT1 (New to religion, etc.)
OT2
OT3
OT4
And it goes on. The differnce between a caste system is that you can rise in it.

Yes,

The caste system.

I like that, idea. Like the rising in the crown seven alphabet's teachings, unto
the jewel's, the gates of attainment, unto the crown !

http://thecrownsevenalphabets.blogspot.com/

To Gravelz


hears something to ponder on to what you pasted and left me


why should new christians get into debates with athiests ? a new christian is not strong enough they still have a fair bit to deal with and it takes time for the mind to change

i tend to also encourage new believers to let go of there secular friends i also tend to tell new believers to avoid negative christians


when i gave my heart to the lord i moved from the community i was living in i also had to let go off my mates and i can tell you it was hard to do this


the only friends i had when i stepped into the church i found my self in was my spiritual mentors who became my best friends and my counslier who is know a pastor


i pushed my spiritual mentors and i pushed my friend who was the churches counslier

when i read the bible in the prison farm i found my self in their was no one who i could talk to i had a lot of questions but no one to talk to i started reading the old testament first and then i read the new testament



it took time for me to let go of what i was holding on to


this just did not happen over night


what you are leaving hear has shown me that you tend to hold on to the views an atheist holds on to so far their has been no fruit in this post were members have gone away refreshed


God bless from damo

Hmm, who are the new Christians here?

Neal :

Just look in the arms of Jesus, your icon signature . . . and then you have a perspective
about your question. Indeed, new milk/babe Christians are not required to seek the
redemption of the infidel. Unless, the mission/burden is placed on them via Holy Ghost.

Just like most atheist seem reluctant to debate seasoned warrior's . . . meat eaters
of the Word of God (IHVH).

Now, I do not place you Neal, in this area.

You know exactly what Damo, is talking about. You are to cool, to smart, to much of a
wonderful person . . . to play this field, topic . . . like a foolish merchant who just
purchased a silk purse, however, thought it a sows (pig) ear . . .

My point was I don't think anyone here is a new or newbie Christian.

So he asked a false question.

Parallel's Versus Paraphrase's, In Scripture . . ., "What is the difference, in archetypal pattern's" ?
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=21799&hl=


Lesson's in asking the right questions, versus tempting the right questions to be ask . . .

neal please stop pasting what members leave really is by what you leave doing any one any good ?

if you cant accept what i say then leave it we have a right to agree to disagree or do you think i need help because i believe in god ?

if certain atheists on this forum find it hard to accept what we leave why hang around ? go were you feel comfterbal instead of trashing what i believe in


so by what i am picking up is this the new chistians that i am mentoring i should throw them to the wolfes and tell them to listen to negative christians and guys like your self because you have all the answers


as i said their is no fruit of the spirit in this topic no one has really been refreshed by what has been left by Gravelz



why should i and any of the members question what christ did for us on the cross ?



we will all find out when god decides its time to judge this earth no one has this hine sight to say when god is going to judge us

we have though sevral hear who feel that they have this hine sight

i cant tel you when god is going to decide to judge us i am human i do my own re search and i dont tend to say i have all the answers

so what i am a born again christian does this give you or any one the right to get me to question what i believe in ?

for most of my life i mocked god i pushed christians today i tend to not do this


i can do the same and just paste what certain members leave and then throw it back at them but i dont tend to just paste and leave things for certain members to respond to


as i said no one has this hine sight


if i had this hine sight i would be able to tel you

when god convicted me the earth did not shake around me i did not see the heavns open up i did not even have a strange person appear in the midle of the night


as i said in this forum in the topics that i have been involved in i nearly killed a drug dealer how i wish that god did not convict me as i wanted to kill this guy but i know understand why god did what he did on the 26th of August 2001 at 12.55pm

the old me does not no longer live he is gone i cant go back to who i was or pick up were i was when i was a sinner

i can tell you if it was the old me talking and communicating on this forum i would be banned and i would not be ussing the inter net to communicate like i am know

i am not up set with you neal i tend not to respond to certain people but i do read what is left in this forum


even though i am a new creation and christ has forgiven me i am still having prove to my employers that i am not the same person as i was when i was a sinner

today my police cheque came threw and i am know having to get two character refrences before this nursing home puts me on as a male carer what i did when i was young the police have this on their files i am looking at what i did when i was young it has all my offences i committed when i was a sinner

my old pastor is typing up a character refrence right know as i am typing this up and i am about to make a ph cal to another friend and ask him if he can write me a character refrence

i even went threw this when i applied for my pass port my whole church got behind me and so did my fiance who is a filapino pastor and we prayed and lifted everything to god as the guy who was looking at my application said you might get knocked back due to your past and you being in jail twice

i did not let this up set me i did not allow no negative thoughts to take over i rebuked what ever the devil was trying to do

and i trusted and asked god to brake threw that red tape

i have my pass port as the same person who was handling my pass port application rang me and said he does not know how this happend as he said guys like my self get knocked back and are not allowed to leave the country or fly out of the country but he said its been apporved my manager looked at your application and approved it

when we finished talking i thanked god for what he did


but knowing what i leave hear i wil get some one questioning what i leave hear


can you show me were the fruit of the spirit is in this topic that Gravelz has set up can you show me who has been encouraged ? has any one grown by what has been said hear ?

see if i tried to apply for my pass port when i was a sinner it would have never been approved and if i met my fiancee when i was a sinner she would have not liked me everything that has happend so far in my life is off god and i am great full he has given me a second chance

know if i was to believe in allah and hold on to the way muslims are raised and brought up i would be rotting in a jail and forgotten about i would probbably end up a pedophile as mohammad was a lunatic and a cult leader also mohammad is seen as a pedophile his bride was a 9yr old girl



thats al i am going to say i have a few phone calls to make



God bless from damo

I can't parse this.


Irrelevant. It was a question and I was curious. I believe everyone in this forum is a Christian for at least 10 years.


I believed you were wrong when you said there were newbie Christians here - so you can rationally defend what you said like a logical man.


Incorrect.


Well duhh...


Because you have no reason to.


My "right" as you say, to question what you believe in, is just as much as your right to question what I or anyone believes in.

Neal there are new christians on this fourm just look at the members names and when they signed up

no neal not many have been christians for over 10yrs some are growing while others have matured but even the ones who have been christians for over 10yrs or 20yrs are still growing



how was by what i said curiouse to you neal ?



we are not to be a stumbling block for the new brothers and sisters in the lord i tend to shield new christians and do my best so no one falls

but if the holy spirit places it on a new christians heart to minister then god wil give them the wisdom and the strength other wise i tell new christians to read gods word and grow and build new friendships from with in

jesus prottected the disciples he warned them and he encouraged them to trust in god and not look to what man has to offer


why should i learn what the muslims belive in what they belive in is false the koran is not off god but we have a topic hear set up by a certain member asking us to respond to his silly requests thinking that the koran is off god

as i said if i belived in allah i would be rotting in a jail or dead in a ditch and forgotten about

ah i noticed you did not respond to all my post you only pasted what you wanted me to respond to



god bless from damo

Oh, there are certainly new people to the forum.

But that doesn't mean they're new to Christianity in life.

And then, I don't think anyone that posted in this thread is new.


Yup.


Well you sort of implied that Gravelz was bullying the new Christians, imo.


God bless from Neal

http://ezinearticles.com/?God-Bless-Us,-Ev...;&id=814155

We live in perilous times, and now, more than ever, we need to re-examine our relationship with God and seek his blessing. Like the psalmist we, too, can pray:


We depend on you, LORD, to help and protect us.
You make our hearts glad because we trust you, the only God. Be kind and bless us! We depend on you. (Psalm 33:20-22, CEV)

Even now, Lord, bless us, everyone!

The reason why atheists care about fighting the consummation of the bride and the bridegroom is that they can find no better option for themselves out there, so they spend their time trying to fight the reality of "there are no other options" (see scripture #1 below). If they don't have a taste for the truth (the one true God) (see scripture 2 below), the only way to attempt to keep sanity, given the dismal choice they have made (rejecting the one true God), is to try to support their rejection of Him it by fighting with those who accept Him (consummation) (see scripture 3 at the bottom). Either the truth (God) conquers them (willingly), or He conquers them when they suffer eternal seperation from Him (unwillingly) because of their refusal of Him; those are the only available options. Submit and enjoy Him now and eternally, or don't submit, don't enjoy Him now OR for all of eternity.

Fighting the inevitable is a waste of time.

There is no where else to go! But to Him.....in consummation

Scripture to support the above comments:
John 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."

Hebrews 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

You see they would be coming back to the very same thing that they didn't have a taste for in the first place....and if they don't have a taste for Him, well there are no other options....

This is much like dinner in many households. Your choice is have it, or don't have it. One is clearly better than the other (and once you taste Him, you realize your previous opinion that you wouldn't like Him is wrong. But since the child cannot make the rules, he can only fight it out silently in his head (I only want dessert, or I don't like hamburgers, et...) or try to disrupt the others who are busy enjoying dinner.

Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

The ultimate pinnacle of any futile Human endeavor IS the formation of “religion”, despite the original intent of the initial endeavor, even if it attempts to SEPARATE itself FROM “religion”, itself, because the fallible Human condition is predisposed to “reconnect” itself to a greater “Other” outside the self since all Humans are born with their individual “spirit” (pneuma) disenfranchised and severed from the two lesser Human attributes of the “Tripartite Attributes of Human Wholeness”: Pneuma (spirit), Psyche (mind/soul) and Soma (body); the two lesser attributes perish upon death, but it is the Pneuma (spirit) that is Infinite and Eternal. Hence, Christ's Redemptive Deed upon the Cross of Calvary served to “reconnect” the pneuma to the Believer, making them “Whole in Christ”, and to set the captives free FROM “religion” and the vain pre-religious philosophies of carnal men.

So we can clearly see that the phenomenon of “pre-religious philosophy” transformed itself into “post-philosophical religion” did historically occur in the original SECULAR RATIONALISM of Buddhism: This is elucidated by secular-humanist Sudheer Birodkar, “More than 2,500 years back, Gautama Buddha propounded an outlook that was both humanitarian and rationalist. Buddhism did not advocate invocation of any God. The original Buddhism had neither God nor Devil. The emphasis was not on prayer but on controlling one's mind. In this sense Buddhism was more a worldly philosophy rather than a religion. It was later on that it BECAME A RELIGION complete with rituals, icons, holy men and dogmas. However, in its original principles, it came closest to Rational-Humanism.” SOURCE: http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar...ationalism.html

Subsequently, this means that today’s modern “Secular Rational-Humanism" that is embraced by Atheists, despite their futile attempts to separate itself from God, “religion”, Christianity and other religions, will, in fact, ultimately MORPH INTO a “RELIGION”. This is inevitable. It is a natural process to Fallen Human Nature to do so, an innate objective of the disenfranchised Pneuma guided by the Psyche without Christ which produces this end skewed result, and it is literally "autocatalytic".

What Atheists do not comprehend is that Christianity is NOT a “religion”; it is a TRANSFORMED LIFESTYLE of a SEPARATED PEOPLE. And Atheists also do not understand that Christ did NOT come to establish a “religion”; He was AGAINST “religion”. And Atheists are oblivious to the fact that God and Christ are NOT the “Authors” of RELIGION, but rather the Transdimensional Adversarial Entity (Satan) is the “author” of RELIGION. Thus the so-called “Holy Wars” in the name of God are Satan’s divisive and tactical creations where God is MISREPRESENTED. The God of the Universe is NOT the Author of them.

And religious practioners, even those guised under the “Christian Banner,” i.e. Roman Catholicism, are UNAWARE and SKEWED in their ideologies of “Church”, for when Jesus told Peter (Pebble)… “Upon this rock I shall build My Church,” Christ was NOT referring to a gargantuan cathedral building or a behemoth orthodox “religious” world-strangling infrastructure, but instead He was referring to SEPARATING OUT OF THE WORLD “A PEOPLE” unto Himself, for the truest definition of “Church” is “A PEOPLE”, being the “Bride” of Christ, Who is the “Bridegroom”. This is why the Believer in Christ is said to be "IN THE WORLD, BUT NOT OF IT", for the world is "enemy territory" of the "god of this world" being the entity, Satan. Hence, TRUE CHRISTIANITY is a “relationship” or a “reciprocating communalism” with the Bridegroom, Christ Jesus the Creator, interconnecting the Believer with the Godhead, where as "religion" is diametrically antipodal to this notion serving to "separate" Humans from the Godhead and propagating idolatry and the worship of false gods and false prophets ultimately placating the Demonic Nature and the Adversary. Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, etc. have all keenly perfected these corruptions under the auspices of “religion”. Thus, “religion” is ANTI-CHRISTIAN; this Atheists do NOT understand, nor do they understand that their Secular-Rational Humanism is also a RELIGION, also being ANTI-CHRISTIAN.


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Religion:

No, see, they're using the Bible's definition of religion. Not a dictionary definition.

If a definition in the Bible contradicts the dictionary - they'll go with the Bible.

This is a superficial and secular analogy. You fail to grasp the demonstrative difference between manmade “religion” and a Supernatural Relation that transcends “religion” itself. The two are entirely diametric opposites.

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