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EMP Threat???

<sup>Forgive me if this has been discussed/posted before, but I found this article on WorldNet, I think it's very interesting that they are discussing this. It's quite a coincidence considering that Iran is testing the exact type of missile they would use if they were going to do this, either to us or to Israel. Also, WorldNetDaily is one of those sketchy conspiracy theorist sites that selects and skews every story to the sensationalist side. You have to be very careful in taking ANYthing they write at face value. You will find similar stories regarding the EMP threat on nearly all of the survivalist and militia sites. Now that's not to say there is NO truth to the reports ... but I suspect they are greatly exaggerated. Regardless of the conspiracists beliefs, anything important will be reported in the national media once the facts are confirmed. Nevertheless, EMP aside, there is enough happening in Iran and Russia that indicates we are moving closer and closer to the Tribulation and Armageddon. So we who are Christians need to be serving the Lord ever more faithfully and looking ever more for His soon return. Hallelujah! We are so close to the Rapture. Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Do batteries and generators work after an EMP attack?</sup>


Congress examines EMP threat
Iran believed to test missiles for attack on U.S.

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – More than four years after a stunning report about America's vulnerability to a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack was released to Congress, the House Armed Services Committee will hear testimony from the scientist who issued the warning and who believes Iran is pursuing such an option.

William R. Graham, President Reagan's top science adviser and the chairman of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack, will update the committee Thursday morning.

Graham warned in 2005 that Iran was not only covertly developing nuclear weapons, but was already testing ballistic missiles specifically designed to destroy America's technical infrastructure with the aim of neutralizing the world's lone superpower.

The radical Shiite regime has conducted successful tests to determine if its Shahab-3 ballistic missiles, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, can be detonated by a remote-control device while still in high-altitude flight, Graham said in his report.

Graham said then there was no other plausible explanation for such tests than preparation for the deployment of electromagnetic pulse weapons – even one of which could knock out America's critical electrical and technological infrastructure, effectively sending the continental U.S. back to the 19th century with a recovery time of months or years.

Iran would have that capability – at least theoretically – as soon as it has one nuclear bomb ready to arm such a missile.

I got one thing to say about that...
Hand powered tools.

http://www.nobatteryledlight.com/?gclid=CK...CFQObFQodAWWTSg

Just be sure you keep it stored in a completely enclosed metal box or the conversation will go like this:

"What was that bright flash of light?"

"That was the LED in my battery-free light pretending to be a flash bulb when the EMP pulse hit it."

"Uhhh, it won't work now, will it?"

"No."

That's it.

Mike

P.S. Semiconductors are more at risk than batteries.

with Israel in Iraq air space this is getting Iran and Russia 's att. the war is coming closer......But isn't that their point? They're stuck in the 1500's and they want to take the rest of the world back there with them. They don't want anyone to be technologically advanced, even their own people, much less us.




So, I’m just thinking out loud here, but…..if Iran were able to set off a missile from a ship or something, and were able to cripple the US with an EMP, do you think the terrorists would all try to get out of the US before we went down? I mean, since it wouldn’t kill them, and they couldn’t be martyrs, why would they want to be here to suffer with us? Maybe we can watch for movement of Islamic folks leaving the country to give us some type of signal?

Something to think about!
Or Unless they plan to do something Before

What Are the Symptoms of Exposure?
The E-bomb mainly affects electronic equipment. It could cripple enemy communication systems and could stop civilian infrastructures such as power plants, manufacturing, hospitals and transportation, from working. It can scramble phones and computers and knock out various facilities, and cause lights to blink out. Fluorescent lights and television sets will glow eerily bright, even if they're turned off. Electric wires and telephone lines will melt. Portable digital devices such as Palm Pilots and MP3 players will feel warm to the touch, their batteries overloaded. Computers will be toast.

Hope that helps..It looks like it fries anything electrical...

Jul 11, 08 - 9:54 AM Congress examines EMP threat

Congress examines EMP threat
Iran believed to test missiles for attack on U.S.


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© 2008 WorldNetDaily

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WASHINGTON – More than four years after a stunning report about America's vulnerability to a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack was released to Congress, the House Armed Services Committee will hear testimony from the scientist who issued the warning and who believes Iran is pursuing such an option.

William R. Graham, President Reagan's top science adviser and the chairman of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack, will update the committee Thursday morning.

Graham warned in 2005 that Iran was not only covertly developing nuclear weapons, but was already testing ballistic missiles specifically designed to destroy America's technical infrastructure with the aim of neutralizing the world's lone superpower.

The radical Shiite regime has conducted successful tests to determine if its Shahab-3 ballistic missiles, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, can be detonated by a remote-control device while still in high-altitude flight, Graham said in his report.

Graham said then there was no other plausible explanation for such tests than preparation for the deployment of electromagnetic pulse weapons – even one of which could knock out America's critical electrical and technological infrastructure, effectively sending the continental U.S. back to the 19th century with a recovery time of months or years.

Iran would have that capability – at least theoretically – as soon as it has one nuclear bomb ready to arm such a missile.

The stunning report was first published in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WND's founder.

Iran surprised intelligence analysts by describing the mid-flight detonations of missiles fired from ships on the Caspian Sea as "successful" tests. Even primitive Scud missiles could be used for this purpose. And top U.S. intelligence officials reminded members of Congress that there is a glut of these missiles on the world market. They are currently being bought and sold for about $100,000 apiece.

Others agree with Graham's sobering assessment.

"A terrorist organization might have trouble putting a nuclear warhead 'on target' with a Scud, but it would be much easier to simply launch and detonate in the atmosphere," wrote Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., in the Washington Post in 2005 after reading Graham's report. "No need for the risk and difficulty of trying to smuggle a nuclear weapon over the border or hit a particular city. Just launch a cheap missile from a freighter in international waters – al-Qaida is believed to own about 80 such vessels – and make sure to get it a few miles in the air."

The Iranian missile tests were more sophisticated and capable of detonation at higher elevations – making them more dangerous.

Detonated at a height of 60 to 500 kilometers above the continental U.S., one nuclear warhead could cripple the country – knocking out electrical power and circuit boards and rendering the U.S. domestic communications impotent.

In 2005, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security chaired by Kyl, held a hearing on the electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, threat.

"An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack on the American homeland, said one of the distinguished scientists who testified at the hearing, is one of only a few ways that the United States could be defeated by its enemies – terrorist or otherwise," wrote Kyl "And it is probably the easiest. A single Scud missile, carrying a single nuclear weapon, detonated at the appropriate altitude, would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, producing an electromagnetic pulse radiating down to the surface at the speed of light. Depending on the location and size of the blast, the effect would be to knock out already stressed power grids and other electrical systems across much or even all of the continental United States, for months if not years."

The purpose of an EMP attack, unlike a nuclear attack on land, is not to kill people, but "to kill electrons," as Graham explained. He serves as chairman of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack and was director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

Graham told WND he could think of no other reason for Iran to be experimenting with mid-air detonation of missiles than for the planning of an EMP-style attack.

"EMP offers a bigger bang for the buck," he said. He also suggested such an attack makes a U.S. nuclear response against a suspected enemy less likely than would the detonation of a nuclear bomb in a major U.S. city.

A 2004 report by the commission found "several potential adversaries have or can acquire the capability to attack the United States with a high-altitude nuclear weapons-generated electromagnetic pulse (EMP). A determined adversary can achieve an EMP attack capability without having a high level of sophistication."

"EMP is one of a small number of threats that can hold our society at risk of catastrophic consequences," the report said. "EMP will cover the wide geographic region within line of sight to the nuclear weapon. It has the capability to produce significant damage to critical infrastructures and thus to the very fabric of U.S. society, as well as to the ability of the United States and Western nations to project influence and military power."

The major impact of EMP weapons is on electronics, "so pervasive in all aspects of our society and military, coupled through critical infrastructures," explained the report.

"Their effects on systems and infrastructures dependent on electricity and electronics could be sufficiently ruinous as to qualify as catastrophic to the nation," Lowell Wood, acting chairman of the commission, told members of Congress.

The commission report went so far as to suggest, in its opening sentence, that an EMP attack "might result in the defeat of our military forces."

"Briefly, a single nuclear weapon exploded at high altitude above the United States will interact with the Earth's atmosphere, ionosphere and magnetic field to produce an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) radiation down to the Earth and additionally create electrical currents in the Earth," said the report. "EMP effects are both direct and indirect. The former are due to electrical systems, and the latter arise from the damage that 'shocked' – upset, damaged and destroyed – electronics controls then inflict on the systems in which they are embedded. The indirect effects can be even more severe than the direct effects."

The EMP threat is not a new one considered by U.S. defense planners. The Soviet Union had experimented with the idea as a kind of super-weapon against the U.S.

"What is different now is that some potential sources of EMP threats are difficult to deter – they can be terrorist groups that have no state identity, have only one or a few weapons and are motivated to attack the U.S. without regard for their own safety," explains the commission report. "Rogue states, such as North Korea and Iran, may also be developing the capability to pose an EMP threat to the United States and may also be unpredictable and difficult to deter."

Graham describes the potential "cascading effect" of an EMP attack. If electrical power is knocked out and circuit boards fried, telecommunications are disrupted, energy deliveries are impeded, the financial system breaks down, food, water and gasoline become scarce.

As Kyl put it: "Few if any people would die right away. But the loss of power would have a cascading effect on all aspects of U.S. society. Communication would be largely impossible. Lack of refrigeration would leave food rotting in warehouses, exacerbated by a lack of transportation as those vehicles still working simply ran out of gas (which is pumped with electricity). The inability to sanitize and distribute water would quickly threaten public health, not to mention the safety of anyone in the path of the inevitable fires, which would rage unchecked. And as we have seen in areas of natural and other disasters, such circumstances often result in a fairly rapid breakdown of social order."

"American society has grown so dependent on computer and other electrical systems that we have created our own Achilles' heel of vulnerability, ironically much greater than those of other, less developed nations," the senator wrote. "When deprived of power, we are in many ways helpless, as the New York City blackout made clear. In that case, power was restored quickly because adjacent areas could provide help. But a large-scale burnout caused by a broad EMP attack would create a much more difficult situation. Not only would there be nobody nearby to help, it could take years to replace destroyed equipment."

The commission said hardening key infrastructure systems and procuring vital backup equipment such as transformers is both feasible and – compared with the threat – relatively inexpensive.

"But it will take leadership by the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department, and other federal agencies, along with support from Congress, all of which have yet to materialize," wrote Kyl, so far the only elected official blowing the whistle this alarming development.

Kyl concluded in his report: "The Sept. 11 commission report stated that our biggest failure was one of 'imagination.' No one imagined that terrorists would do what they did on Sept. 11. Today few Americans can conceive of the possibility that terrorists could bring our society to its knees by destroying everything we rely on that runs on electricity. But this time we've been warned, and we'd better be prepared to respond."





Jul 11th, 2008 - 10:57 AM Re: Congress examines EMP threat

Regarding this volatile hour we're in, I thought this was an interesting article by Jimmy Lishman (11 July 2008) from the doves site:
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"RE: Pooling our resources while watching"

Nicholas Sarkozy, the French president, has stepped into the Middle East peace process with an immediate focus on Syria, which was a French colony from 1928 to 1944.

In many ways it is a “divide and conquer strategy”. Sarkozy’s goal is to separate Syria from Iran and use more carrot than stick for Syria .

In a recent meeting with Israel ’s Knesset, the first state visit to Israel in 12 years, Sarkozy laid out his peace plan and committed to guarantee the peace with a mobilized diplomatic activity, with available resources, and its soldiers.

He then delivered the stick to Israel . “Peace with Palestine is possible,” he said, calling for Israel to compromise.

The Sarkozy plan calls for Israel to stop all settlement activity in the West Bank, remove the many checkpoints that cut across the West Bank, stop the blockade of Gaza , and accept that Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestine and Israel .

In return, he told Israel that he will not accept a nuclear armed Iran , and said France will oppose anyone who calls for Israel ’s destruction.

To support his claims and give teeth to the message, Sarkozy has proposed that France re-enter the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), which it left in 1968, as a possible force to use in the region.

This would not be out of line with NATO deployments in Afghanistan and past demonstrations of power in Kosovo.
Sarkozy is sending the message that NATO, when unified, can mobilize faster than the United Nations.

France also offered its full support to Lebanon ’s unity government.

France ’s renewed interest is demonstrated by a Mediterranean Summit in Paris on July 13.

On the eve of the summit, Sarkozy will meet with Syria ’s Bashar al-Assad and he has promised to press al-Assad on the issue of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit who was captured by Palestinian fighters in a cross-border raid in 2006.

Numerous heads of state are expected in Paris for the meeting; however, it looks like not everyone will attend.

Germany ’s Chancellor has already criticized the meeting as too much of a French effort and not enough European Union stressed. Jordan ’s King Abdullah will not attend because he has had vacation plans that were booked in advance of the call for the meeting; in addition, Algeria and Libya are having second thoughts.

Sarkozy’s goal is to build a Union of Mediterranean Countries that will work together under the European banner.

This includes Israel ’s Prime Minister Olmert meeting face-to-face with Syria ’s Bashar al-Assad.

It is important to note that this is hardly a new idea.

France is seeking to expand the countries that will attend and promote the effectiveness of the organization.

Sarkozy’s gambit is bringing Syria onboard as he isolates Iran , settles the Golan Heights issue with Israel , and ensures that Syria will not interfere in Lebanon ’s affairs.

This will give Sarkozy the space he needs to settle the Gaza issue, the settlements in the West Bank, and Jerusalem as a divided city, which will be the hardest problem to settle.

The primary goal is to strengthen Lebanon ’s political unity and reduce Syrian inference in Lebanon .

The Mediterranean Union (MU) will secure Israel ’s northern border, and this hopefully will build trust with Israel .

The MU, with NATO as an action arm, will negotiate with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program. This is not a minor issue because a nuclear armed Iran is a security issue for the entire region and the MU.

The issue facing negotiators is the understanding that nuclear weapons are not a precise weapon.

First, if Jerusalem is the target it will level Jerusalem and the fall-out would immediately affect Syria , Israel , Lebanon , and Palestine and the fallout will be swept into the atmosphere.

The concept of a tactical nuclear warfare has been discarded over 20 years ago by the American Military as a primary response weapon.

The Sarkozy strategy is to support nation-to-nation direct talks, build a regional organization that could ask for NATO’s help, and work for on the ground peace negotiations.

In addition, he hopes to isolate Iran and make that a separate issue.

Pooling our finds and resources

Watching and waiting with you all…..

Watching, waiting, and praying, indeed.



In a country where the majority's morals have gone down the toilet thanks to a lack of true faith in Jesus Christ and the word of God, I shudder to think of the lawless implications of that.

Hummm. Fourth seal? Even (formerly domesticated) animals will become desperate and murderous for food.

Every man for himself will be an understatement. Gangs will abound.

Lose the makeup lovely women to help reduce your being a target from lawless, immoral thugs. (It wouldn't hurt to wear a little more clothing for a change, either.)

Even though I've never seen anything but short clips from it, the TV show "Lost" comes to mind.

True Christians will have to unite in the Lord and cling to each other and God's word.

We may see the return of the stocks as punishment. I'm thinking about the way things were in colonial America, when bad actions actually resulted in bad consequences.

Anyone ever read the book, Solar Flare?

May the Lord bless his people with wisdom.

In Christ,

Mike

Oh, my, this is really sobering.....




Many interesting ideas for cooking, nutrition, transportation, etc. good to be a master auto mechanic. Cars would stop right where they are because of the computers in them. I can't remember the exact year, but cars built after 1991 (maybe) would be rendered powerless. Things you would never think about like sewage and garbage disposal .........

Hmmm....as a nurse my first thought was people with pacemakers. They have electronic and battery components. Hundreds of thousands of people could drop over! Not only that but just as many have defibrillators installed in their chests that operate off the same components. Something to check on.

a massive return to the stoneage aint gonna happen folks...the only way the antichrist can force all to get the mark so they can buy/sale is for modern technology to be available and working...

Of course, just because America may visit the stone age, doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the world will be there with us.

Thankfully in Christ,

Mike

but the bible says all ...rich poor etc....

Jun 10 2008, 01:01 PM
Post#2
H A A R P + Military Plan To Manipulate Earth's, . . . ionosphere + solar flares, high-energy protons
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=20059&hl=

ELECTROMAGNETIC weapons, involved with the Daniel 5:28, of the Medes & Persians, which is associated with the electromagnetic research under HAARP.

The following is the research from my files, concerning a message I was given about this word:

`ELECTROMAGNETIC` ( word given to me, July 12th, 2007 )

I am adding this research to my blog, on the message I was given about Atomic Solar Flare,
Yokohama, Japan
http://japanatomicsolarflares.blogspot.com/

( only the word `electromagnetic ` was given to me, however, the Holy Spirit guided me to this
specific sentence, which describes why I was given the word to research )

In a message dated 7/12/2007 8:33:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bclarkgemetria writes:
Electromagnetic energy released from the sun during a polar reversal could cause Earth's upper atmosphere to "erupt in flames" . . .

But a yacht or houseboat and sail and fish.

Wait, no. All the fishing lines will probly melt and it would be perty hard to row one of those things.

bonomike:

I was given information about atomic level solar flare, with a June 15th date,
Specific area . . . etc.





JUNE 15TH : JAPAN ATOMIC SOLAR FLARE
READ FULL REMOTE-VIEWING MESSAGE @

http://japanatomicsolarflares.blogspot.com/

Japan Atomic Solar Flares
Remote-viewing message titled : ` Japan Atomic Solar Flares '

June 15th, 2007, @1331 [ military time ], Friday
By: Betty C. Clark



Subj: Douglas Biesecker: Solar peak expected in
2011-2012 :Solar Cycle 24

Date: 6/17/2007 5:40:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
From: Bclarkgemetria@aol.com
To: doug.biesecker@noaa.gov



Mr. Biesecker:

I saw your email predictions, in reference to Solar
Cycle 24:


Douglas Biesecker
doug.biesecker@noaa.gov
http://solarnews.nso.edu/2006/20060815.html


Below is a very interesting April 28th, 2007 report from
Washington Associated Press.

This is the best web link, for novices [ such as myself ],
in the hobby of seeking information about Solar Cycle 24.

Although my entry did not make your September 9th, 2006
deadline, I would like to include for your files, the following
theory of mine, regarding Solar Cycle 24 :

Theory called : ` Japan Atomic Solar Flares ` :

* 140 sunspots by 2012

* March 2008 starts the Solar Cycle 24

* area geography specific to : Yokohama, Japan . . . should
be studied

* 'ward' location called Tsurumi-ku, Japan. . . could involve
major shipwreck [ specific to : Operating floating oil rigs in
the ocean requires keeping them positioned within a few inches
to prevent damaging drilling gear. “They have to know when GPS
is going to be accurate.” ]

* Pacific horizon, will produce northward wind gales

* June 15th potential date [ year unknown ]

* storms `reduce` in tropical horizon areas

* the new language about Solar Cycle 24, will be : Atomic Flares

* operative control issues with airlines, specific to Pacific
Ocean area [ specific to : Airlines flying over the pole face
loss of communications that could force them to use a different,
longer route at an added cost of as much as $100,000 per flight ]



Respectfully,
Betty C. Clark
bclarkgemetria@aol.comm

I would miss this forum (and the communion here) more than my words could express...

.. but be confident that you would remain in my heart.. and prayers!!

Precious Father.. may each find you to be their refuge from the storm
Hear my prayer O Lord for your great mercies sake!