Justice
Jul 10 2008, 04:39 PM
Karl Rove ignores subpoena, refuses to testify
President Bush's longtime political guru refused to obey an order to testify before the House Judiciary Committee today. Karl Rove's lawyer asserted that, due to "executive privilege," Rove was "immune" from the subpoena. The panel is investigating allegations that Rove and White House allies dismissed U.S. attorneys and prosecuted officials seen as political opponents.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Karl Rove, President Bush's longtime political guru, refused to obey an order to testify before a House Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday.
Karl Rove's lawyers says he is immune from a congressional subpoena.
Karl Rove's lawyers says he is immune from a congressional subpoena.
Rove's lawyer asserted that Rove was "immune" from the subpoena the committee had issued, arguing that the committee could not compel him to testify due to "executive privilege."
The panel is investigating allegations that Rove and his White House allies dismissed U.S. attorneys and prosecuted officials who they saw as political opponents.
The panel subpoenaed Rove in May after his lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, made clear the former White House deputy chief of staff would not appear voluntarily.
Luskin responded immediately that Rove still would not appear, prompting a threat of prosecution from the Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, and Rep. Linda Sanchez, a California Democrat who chairs the subcommittee on commercial and administrative law.
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"A refusal to appear in violation of the subpoena could subject Mr. Rove to contempt proceedings, including statutory contempt under federal law and proceedings under the inherent contempt authority of the House of Representatives," Conyers and Sanchez wrote.
"We are unaware of any proper legal basis for Mr. Rove's refusal to even appear today as required by the subpoena," Sanchez said Thursday morning when Rove failed to show up. "The courts have made clear that no one -- not even the president -- is immune from compulsory process. That is what the Supreme Court rules in U.S. v. Nixon and Clinton v. Jones."
In May, Conyers contrasted Rove's refusal to testify before Congress with his paid work as a commentator for the Fox News Channel and Newsweek magazine.
"Although he does not seem the least bit hesitant to discuss these very issues weekly on cable television and in the print news media, Mr. Rove and his attorney have apparently concluded that a public hearing room would not be appropriate. Unfortunately, I have no choice today but to compel his testimony on these very important matters."
Rove's lawyer cited a letter from the Justice Department saying Rove is "constitutionally immune from compelled congressional testimony." He said Rove is willing to submit to an "informal interview" or to answer written questions about the prosecution of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, whose ouster Rove is accused of orchestrating.
"Threatening Mr. Rove with sanctions will not in any way expedite the resolution of the issue," Luskin wrote in a letter to the panel on Wednesday.
Luskin noted in May that his client had already received a separate subpoena from the Senate Judiciary Committee. "While the [House] committee has the authority to issue a subpoena, it is hard to see what this will accomplish, apart from a 'Groundhog Day' replay of the same issues that are already the subject of litigation," the lawyer wrote, referring to a movie in which a person lives the same day over and over again.
Luskin added that "issues of executive privilege and separation of powers" could limit Rove's testimony.
In response, Conyers said the two committees are focusing on different matters, with the House committee delving into the prosecution of the former Alabama governor, a Democrat who lost his bid for re-election in 2002 and was convicted on corruption charges in 2006.
Conyers also noted that other former White House officials have testified under subpoena in the past and have dealt with issues of executive privilege on a case-by-case basis. "Mr. Rove should follow the same course," he said.
Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, called the subpoena "a sham."
The Democratic-controlled Congress has been battling for months to force the White House to disclose information about the firing of the attorneys and the prosecution of Siegelman.
Current and former White House aides have refused to testify, citing executive privilege.
flyingsquirrel
Jul 10 2008, 07:32 PM
The grounds for rufusal is probably because "the answers will incrimminate me" and everybody else Since when is executive privilage above the rule of law? It never was, it was why America broke away from England's rulership, now the ruling class are worse than the ones we fought for independance against...
Justice
Jul 10 2008, 07:57 PM
Does anyone else notice all the german names in the White House?
Here Am I
Jul 10 2008, 08:21 PM
QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 10 2008, 08:57 PM)

Does anyone else notice all the german names in the White House?
GERMAN NAMES ALL OVER THE PLACE:The name Ratzinger was originally spelled with an “S” rather than with a “Z.” (4) This is important to note because Revelation, chapter 13, tells us that the mark of the beast is the number of a man’s name, and in the English alpha-numeric code of A=6, B=12, C=18, and so on though Z, Ratsinger equals 666. The American English alpha-numeric code is based on sixes, because the United States of America is divided into sixes. Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders of our country who was also a personal friend of Dr. Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Illuminati, divided our nation into a grid-work of townships of six square miles each. We also know that mathematically the square of 6 is 36, and when we add all of the numbers from 1 through 36, we have a total of 666.
When the Roman Catholic Church began to look for a new shepherd, little did they know they would end up with a German Shepherd. Cardinal Ratsinger had been called God’s Rottweiler and the Enforcer. He was born in Bavaria where the Illuminati was founded. His exact place of birth was Marktl am Inn, which carries the connotation of mark of the beast and no room for them in the inn. His parents were named Mary and Joseph! As Joseph Ratsinger was growing up, the infamous Third Reich of Adolph Hitler was rising. Joseph Ratsinger was not only in the Hitler Youth and wore the Nazi Swastika but was later a soldier in the Nazi Wehrmacht Army! (5) Some people have wondered if he may forget himself and say “Heil Mary” instead of “Hail Mary”. Germany is indeed proud of this new Pope, who took office 70 years after the Nazi blood purge of S.S. Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himler in 1935. The new Pope was elected on the 13th day before the Witches’ high sabat of Beltaine, and his first full day in office as Pope Benedict XVI was on Adolph Hitler’s birthday. We know that Hitler rose to power in the beer halls of southern Germany where he went into these saloons and bought beer for all of the saloon-a-tics and started a beer hall putsch. Now we see that Wolfgang Boehm has presented a special beer in the new Pope’s honor at Ratsinger’s birthplace. The beer is called Pabstbier or Pope’s beer. (6) I have in front of me a picture of Ratsinger, dressed in clerical garb and lifting a giant-size glass of beer with Peter May, a German brewer.(7)
There are a few other things that we must know about Cardinal Ratsinger or Pope Benedict XVI. He is the first Pope to be elected in the New Age of Aquarius, the 11th sign of the zodiac. This is important to the Illuminati, upper-level Freemasons, and high-level traditionalist witches. Traditionally, there 108 stars in the sign of Aquarius. The conclave that elected the Pope convened on April 18th, which is the 108th day of the year. After only one day, on the 109th day of the year, the new Pope was elected. This happened as the 108th United States Congress gave way to the 109th U.S. Congress! Amazing signs of antichrist are everywhere as this false prophet assumes his place in the final days before the return of the true Lord Jesus Christ. There is even a Cardinal Ratsinger fan club selling T shirts with the Cardinal’s name and the slogan: “Putting the smackdown on heresy since 1981.” (8) The simple fact is that this hard-line Pope is rising in power and authority, and quite amazingly, when we use the American-English alpha-numeric code, the words “A German Pope” add up to 666.We will now look at some other titles pertaining to the Pope using the alpha-numerics of three different languages. In Hebrew, the word ROMIITH (Roman Kingdom) = 666. The word ROMITI (Roman Man) = 666. In Greek, I PROTERA (First of Two) = 666. LATEINOS (The Latin speaking man) = 666. HE LATINE BASILEIA (The Latin Kingdom) = 666. ITALIKA EKKLESIA (Italian Church) = 666. In the Latin language, using Roman numerals we have the following: IOANES PAVLVS SECVNDO (John Paul II) = 666. FILII VICARIVS DEI (Son substitute of God) = 666. DVX CLERI (Captain of the Clergy) = 666. LVDOVICVS (Vicar of the Court) = 666. SANCTA LVX DEI (Holy Light of God) = 666. REX LATINVS SACERDOS (King of the Roman Priests) = 666.
Clearly, the beast and the false prophet are rising. In Revelation 13:11 we are warned as follows: “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth: and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.” We know that the Pope’s hat or miter has two points or horns. This beast may look like a lamb to many people, but soon he will begin to speak like a dragon. We also know that the secret order of the Jesuits with their Black Pope or General of the Order will increase their clandestine operations as the end approaches. Wherever you see their secret words “Ad Majorvm Dei Gloriam”, you know the Jesuits are up to something. Thankfully, our Lord Jesus Christ has promised to be with us to the very end of the world.
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/2005/June2005.html
Justice
Jul 10 2008, 08:25 PM
My first association with hearing the name Ratzinger was: Rat and Ratzia.
The second association was: the fairy tale of Rat-singer (Pied Piper) who led all the children in a mountain and hijacked them till the town paid.
signet
Jul 10 2008, 08:25 PM
QUOTE (flyingsquirrel @ Jul 10 2008, 07:32 PM)

The grounds for rufusal is probably because "the answers will incrimminate me" and everybody else Since when is executive privilage above the rule of law? It never was, it was why America broke away from England's rulership, now the ruling class are worse than the ones we fought for independance against...

hi flying,
good point...i believe this ruling class is the same ruling class just later...
and on the other side of the pond...
Justice
Jul 10 2008, 08:34 PM
QUOTE
ITALIKA EKKLESIA (Italian Church) = 666
Italic is the cursif font, as in Crooked / Not upright.
Crooked not upright church?
signet
Jul 10 2008, 09:06 PM
in all humility, i ponder this...
how can anyone, except by tradition, accept the pope as the spokesman for Jesus?
is there anything in the Vatican that resembles Christ, or in the church at large?
true universal church is not an organization, but the spiritual church does have a
head and body...Christ and the born again believer.
there is a place that we go to be fed and fellowship as we are not to deny the
gathering together, but that place is also a place of the heart, He in me.
our early traditions and teachings really can bind us to guilt and shame for
hearing from God for ourselves...and many that begin to press into God fear
loosing there minds or eternal damnation, when in actuality they have been
given not the spirit of fear but a sound mind, power and love.
the people...are not the heirarchy. and the order of such organizations does
not follow the Holy Spirits direction in setting captives free from the
organization of religions. why?
people of God, the USA does not have all the power...Rome does. when
we are stripped of our religions...all we have left is Jesus, yes or no.
that is the question. and in that is the crux of defining our lives.
i love the brethren, hate the snare. the snare pays well for its favors,
while those whose labor is extracted, to support church, go in poverty
if i say church and church would anyone understand i am speaking of
two different things?
Justice
Jul 10 2008, 09:15 PM
yes hon, it is obvious that no building, religion, or denomination, nor any institution, can strip you off Jesus-In-You, and through Him we come to the Father.
Then, on Judgment Day, the ship will be turned upsidedown, for it is written:
Matt.5
[1] And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
[2] And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
[3] Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[4] Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
[5] Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
[6] Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
[7] Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
[8] Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
[9] Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
[10] Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[11] Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
[12] Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
signet
Jul 10 2008, 09:19 PM
i stood once outside a church signifying the "Beautitudes" in Israel. the real
beauty is that He stands inside my temple and ministers to me...
shalom,
signet
Justice
Jul 10 2008, 09:22 PM
Then wherefore do you need a building, when you already carry the (portable) Temple and He is with you? =)
signet
Jul 10 2008, 09:29 PM
QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 10 2008, 09:22 PM)

Then wherefore do you need a building, when you already carry the (portable) Temple and He is with you? =)
only a place to gather...could be a field or a forum, a foyer or a house of a friend.
Here Am I
Jul 11 2008, 07:43 PM
ACHTUNG!
If you have frayed nerves or a weak stomach, you should press DELETE now and take your nerve pills. You may or may not well digest what you read here.
A well-informed author on the topic of the Vatican, is reportedly coming out with a well put together book, showing that the late Pope John Paul 2nd worked for the Nazi Gestapo in Poland during World War Two. He rounded up Polish Resis tance Fighters and turned them over to the Nazis who had them shot, so the book contends. Some. however, survived.
Questions remain, of course. WHY did the author wait so long to come out with this book? Some belatedly contend that secretive German funds(possibly post-war surviving Nazis?) arranged for and financed the clandestine Concl ave that installed Wojtyla as Pope John Paul 2nd. Remember: the Anglo -American Aristocracy financed the rise of Adolf Hitler as a bulwark against the Soviets.
Enforcers for the Vatican are called Jesuits. The head of the Jesuits, although he is NOT a person of color, is nevertheless called the BLACK POPE. Over the centuries, Jesuits, hiding behind royal court types with Jewish names, called hofjuden, sought to control if not topple various European monarchs, most of them Catholics.So by Royal Order, Jesuits were banished from Spain, France, and a few other places. Hiding behind others, the Jesuits actually went underground, continuing to plot to control Monarchs. In America, the Jesuits have Hollywood hofjuden as a front. Hollywood angers Christians by not showing films about non-Jewish holocausts.Jesuits also hide behind aristocracy fronts, such as the Council on Foreign Relations, CFR.In his Inauguration speech in 1841, President William Henry Harrison directly angered the Jesuits. He dared confront the Jesuits and then Pope, by proclaiming:"We admit of no government BY DIVINE RIGHT, believing that so far as power is concerned, the beneficent Creator has made no distinction among men; that all are on an equality, and that the only legitimate right to govern, is upon the expressed grant of power from the governed." (Emphasis added.)
Thirty-five days later, for the benefit if not actually arranged by the Jesuits and the British Monarchy, President Harrison was posioned to death.
All told, SEVEN U.S. PRESIDENTS were assassinated from 1841 to 1963, as orchestrated if not actually arranged by the Jesuits and the British Monarchy. four by gunfire, three by poisoning.
[Visit www.skolnicksreport.com and links on Home Page there, to extensive series, "Overthrow of the American Republic".] -(good reading!)
Seldom more publicly mentioned, is that over the last two centuries and more, various Jesuits and Popes have labeled the Declaration of Independence as "wickedness", and that Popular Government, provided by the U.S. Constitution with i ts Bill of Rights is a "satanic instrument".
Are we Americans heading for Nazi doctrines if not actually here already? It is documented beyond dispute, that Prescott S. Bush, Sr., father of George Herbert Walker Bush, and grandfather of George W. Bush, had instrumentally financed the rise of Adolf Hitler.The term Homeland Security is an anglocized version of the abbreviated German term Gestapo.
Adolf Hitler, 1933,, and George W. Bush, 2000, and repeated in 2004, were installed in the highest office of their nation by arbitrary and corrupt powers.
[To understand the role of the corrupted gang of five U.S. Supreme Courrt Justices who installed Bush, December, 2000, in Bush versus Gore, as the occupant and resident of the White House, study the website series, "Coca-Col a, CIA, and the Courts", www.skolnicksreport.com ]
The new Monarch in the Vatican, Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict 16th, was immediately whitewashed by the liars and whores of the oil-soaked, spy-riddled, massive tax-cheating Monopoly Press. They described his past as his father was so Anti-Nazi that he had to move to another town. Actually, Joseph Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth and his family were apparently pro-Nazi.
Over the many years, Germany repeatedly attacked France. So French Catholics are appalled, if not angered, that Joseph Ratzinger is the first German Pope in over one thousand years.
Before the 1960 Election, John F. Kennedy spoke in Texas to a group of Protestant preachers. He said he is only nominally Catholic and that if elected, he will not bow down for the Vatican. Right there,such a bold statement was J FK's Death Warrant. In 1961, shortly after being Inaugurated, President Kennedy reluctantly went along with a plan left over from the Eisenhower Administration, to attempt to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs. The Cuban strongman, Fidel Castro, was a nd is a Jesuit, hiding behind a left-wing label. Castro never disbanded the Catholic Church in Cuba. Under Vatican Canon Law, a Catholic leader of a nation, like JfK, that attacks another Catholic leader and nation, is subject to a Death War rant.
What Catholic countries want a pro-Nazi Pope? South America has many such. Included is heavily Catholic Argentina. Toward the end of World War 2, various Nazi war criminals, using Vatican-supplied passports and disguises, escaped down the "Ratlines" to Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, and elsewhere in South America. German submarines loaded with Nazi gold also arrived in South America. So the children and grand-children of escaped Nazis, with their fortunes, dominate the Catholic Church throughout South America. Pope John Paul 2nd was viciously against so-called liberation theology of some South American and Central American archbishops.who sought to cater to the "shirtless ones". Such Catholic Church leaders were rooted out, in some instances, assassinated, apparently on the dictates of Pope John Paul 2nd, ostensibly through his enforcer, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.Centuries ago, at the behest of the Vatican, was the bloody, horrible "The Inquisition". Does it still exist today? Yes, its existence since 1981 was, like centuries ago, to punish "heretics".Its title is now something like Promoting T he Faithful. And who has headed this latter day "Inquisition"? Why, none other than pro-Nazi Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict 16th.
Was it just a coincidence that Joseph Ratzinger was selected as the new Pope, April 19, 2005, a day before Adolf Hitler's birthday?
What is the result of part of the planet going back to rule by Nazis?
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/bvop2.html
Justice
Jul 11 2008, 08:01 PM
But, I hope that you realize, that God will not allow them any further, soon.
Even without the facts, it is obvious from the current behavior of the US government, and blatant so since George Bush (the very one who STOLE two presidencies, at the expense of Gore and Kerry), that we only see german names pop up in high offices.
The American people have the right to know, that although WW2 was won, the enemy was brought in, as part of the Cold War, and it has festered ever since. The enemy is powerhungry and thus they had to have the powerhouse USA. Now that they do, I besiege God to take the control and helm back from them and intervene shortly, before they will divide the Holy Land.
john68
Jul 11 2008, 09:08 PM
Its astonishing how much he looks like Emperor Palpatine from the star wars movies.
Justice
Jul 11 2008, 10:01 PM
Who? Karl Rove, Ratzinger or Bush?
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