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gr82bsaved
I found this video on YouTube recently. Please watch it. It is amazing to hear about the generous love of CHRIST and HIS mercy towards all sinners! Think about the greatness of the love of CHRIST. If you are a visitor to this forum, and you are looking for answers regarding the existence of Heaven or Hell, then this man is a witness. He lived for the thrills that life on earth can offer. However, he lived a life totally outside of THE LORD GOD, JESUS CHRIST. JESUS gave him another chance - to repent and live! Now he tells his story as a HOLY SPIRIT filled witness to others. I hope his story inspires you to accept JESUS as your LORD!



It does not matter where you live, who you are, or what you have done. It does not matter how you feel about yourself - I have met so many people who have said to me "I will accept JESUS when I am good enough." Do not delay - JESUS will save anyone at any point in their life. HE saves all who call on HIS NAME. HIS NAME alone is enough to save anyone and bring them to eternal life - HE will save you!

All one has to do is just call out to JESUS CHRIST and tell HIM that you want to live - that you repent of living a life for yourself, and that you want JESUS to be the LORD of your life. If JESUS heard the man in the video, then HE will hear you! Your sins will be forgiven, and you will receive the HOLY SPIRIT. Then you are ready to live forever in Heaven with JESUS! Afterward, find a bible teaching church or group of believers in CHRIST. It is important that all believers have fellowship with other CHRIST FOLLOWERS because doing so builds the BODY OF CHRIST (the Church) up and enables us to strengthen one another and meet the needs of each other through prayer, generousity and love.

Do it today - do not wait! JESUS is coming back very soon, and HE is looking for all those who are ready and watching for HIS return! All of the signs of HIS coming are being fulfilled now!

gr82bsaved
jhamner
Thank you for the video Todd. I wish I could watch it right now- but I'm at work (and it is BLOCKED!).

wub.gif What a great message. Prepare the way for the Lord!

immortality
i don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but i must say i am skeptical. he says he literally saw the "river of life". last time i checked, the river of life is not a literal, physical river, but is rather symbolic. perhaps he would say such a thing to acquire false genuity; "well if he saw the river of life, which is mentioned in the bible, he must be telling the truth!"

heaven and hell are real regardless if this man's testimony is genuine, i'm just saying.
Justice
Yes they are real, at least our HEAVEN is real, for I witness to you all that I have seen it.
gr82bsaved
QUOTE (immortality @ Jun 8 2008, 04:48 AM) *
i don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but i must say i am skeptical. he says he literally saw the "river of life". last time i checked, the river of life is not a literal, physical river, but is rather symbolic. perhaps he would say such a thing to acquire false genuity; "well if he saw the river of life, which is mentioned in the bible, he must be telling the truth!"

heaven and hell are real regardless if this man's testimony is genuine, i'm just saying.


The point of this topic was directed to those who are visiting this forum. seeking answers. I would suggest that unless you can poke several large holes into this man's testimony that you refrain from being a scorner or scoffer. Otherwise, please be prepared to defend your position that refutes the man's testimony. I am not defending him, but I personally do not find anything wrong with the testimony he has given. In other words, why are you calling the man a liar? Do you know that he is lying? Do you think that his experience is a fabrication? have you been in his shoes and seen what he says he saw? Was your life changed like his? If you know better, please go do the research, including investigating the plane crash, his hospital stay, the extent of his injuries, his conversion to CHRIST, and his ministry. Then refute each one.

I have done some checking into this man's story. Took three minutes on Google. Here are a few places for you to start:

- Plane crash took place on August 15, 1968. Look up the FAA records here.
- Mickey Robinson is Director of Seagate Ministries in Franklin, Tennessee.
- Burned over most of his body as a result of the crash.
- Miraculous recovery from severe nerve damage due to the crash.
- Miraculous conversion from non-believer to believer.
- Married, two children, one with cerebral palsy

Here is an article about him and his life. I would venture to say you knew nothing about this:

(http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=896)

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Refined By Fire
By Anahid Schweikert

On Aug. 15, 1968, Mickey Robinson was pulled from the wreckage of a small airplane after it plunged to the earth and burst into flames. His near-death experience brought him to Jesus--and today this evangelist has told thousands about the reality of the Savior.

There's a certain kind of pride you feel when you walk beside a man whose face has been licked by fire. It's like being with a war hero, and you feel honored to be his friend.

It's impolite to stare, but people do it anyway. One glance begs another, and what you see is a vigorous man whose body was once badly burned and reconstructed by hands less perfect than God's.

But more intriguing than his appearance is this man's countenance. His legs are bronze from the blaze, but his step is bouncy and free. His eyes don't match perfectly, but his gaze is warm and inviting.

And he's not afraid to extend what's left of his hand to draw you right into his world. He's seen too much of life to keep it to himself and too much of death to want to.

Director of Seagate Ministries in Franklin, Tennessee, Mickey Robinson is an experienced pastor, a bridge-builder and a living testimony of the resurrecting power of God. He's known among today's apostolic and prophetic leaders, and he travels frequently with his wife, Barbara, sharing his powerful story worldwide, bringing healing and hope.

As a young man, Robinson was pulled from a fiery airplane crash with injuries so severe that a quick death would have seemed the greatest mercy for him. But God had a purpose for him on earth, and although he endured years of excruciating recovery, God graced his journey with spiritual encounters--including a death's door experience that changed his life dramatically.

This once self-made man

emerged from the other side of death with undeniable peace, a grateful dependence upon God and a zealous ministry of love.



Falling Into Freedom

Robinson was born in 1949 and grew up in Cleveland. A cool and cocky teen- ager, he was a thrill-seeker, taking flying lessons shortly after his high school graduation. But nothing really wowed the young athlete until he was introduced to skydiving.


"Everything changed in a moment," he says, referring to his first free-fall jump. "All my priorities, all my passion, all my desires."


Skydiving was like falling into freedom, Robinson says. It was the greatest sense of peace and power he could imagine. But skydiving with "the best of them," as he says, only served to feed his appetite for more, until it became an addiction--and his god.


"I was a skydiving fanatic," he recalls, admitting that it consumed every part of his life. Robinson's world had been turned upside down, but little did he know that at the invincible age of 19 he was about to drop out of life as he knew it.


On Aug. 15, 1968, Robinson was in the front seat of a Piper Cherokee airplane, destined for a routine jump. Lulled to sleep by the buzzing vibrations of the engine during takeoff, he suddenly was roused by an eerie hush barely 150 feet into the climb.


Engine failure.


Trying to keep the plane airborne, the pilot pulled back on the yoke, but the airplane stalled, pitching the nose toward the earth.


"That's it, we're going down," pronounced the pilot, as the hopeless craft plummeted six terrified men into a disastrous dive. Seconds later, the airplane

crashed into a giant oak tree, spinning wing-over-wing as it was hurled to the ground.

The other four skydivers escaped the wreckage, but Robinson and the pilot were trapped in the front seat. Fire erupted, and seconds before the airplane exploded, Robinson

was pulled out, injured and flaming, by one of his fellow skydivers.

"He pulled so hard, he pulled his thumbs out of their sockets," Robinson recalls. The trapped pilot was unable to be rescued in time.

Suffering a brain injury and severe burns over 35 percent of his body, Robinson was rushed to nearby Southwest Community Hospital in Berea, Ohio. It was a small facility, but the young man was not expected to live, and he would certainly not survive an airlift, doctors determined.

In the weeks following, Robinson hung on, but his condition worsened. The fire had literally peeled the skin off of half his face, destroying his right eye. He was bleeding profusely and about to lose his right arm to amputation, while the nerves in both of his legs died, leaving him paralyzed as well.

Serious infection set in, and he suffered from painful ulcers that bore holes through his esophagus

and from bedsores so severe his bones protruded. His nerves were so traumatized he alternated between a comatose and a "hyperconscious" state, he says.

"The pain was out of this world," Robinson describes. "If someone walked by [his bed] and even brushed the sheet, it felt like someone had hit my entire nervous system with a sledge hammer."

Despite all his agony, Robinson never thought he would die--until about a month after the accident. Although he was in a coma, he overheard a doctor and nurse discussing his impending death. Inside his soul he uttered a silent scream: No! I'm not going to die!

That day, as if on cue, the hospital room suddenly faded away, and Robinson says he felt like he was being transported out of his body and into a spiritual plane--the "real world," he calls it. Instantly, he lost all awareness of time and gained a profound sense of eternity.

"[In the spiritual world], the colors are brighter, the thoughts are more intense, the feelings have greater depth," he says.

In the distance he saw an inviting white light, which he yearned to reach, but a blackness suddenly began closing in around him, he says. The more he was swallowed by darkness, the smaller the light became, until it was as thin as the slit of a closing eye. He was terrified, knowing if the light would disappear, he would be forever banished.

"It was eternal, empty, nothingness forever," he says soberly, as if it happened yesterday. "It's the most horrible, hopeless feeling."

He describes it as being filled with every passion and desire known with no chance of ever fulfilling any of it.

"What a torment, what a remorse... knowing that it could have been different, but you turned down the chance," he says.

Desperate, Robinson began screaming for God to give him another chance. Then, instantly, he was standing in the very presence of God in heaven, he says. He does not claim to have seen the face of God but rather to have been saved by His mercy and bathed in His glory, which he describes as liquid gold radiating through Him in every direction, holding everything together.

"It had in it all of God's love, all of His authority, all of His wisdom, comfort and strength," he says with a gleam in his eye. "It's the most blissful, enjoyable experience you can have."

So pleasurable, in fact, that Robinson gets annoyed when people joke about going fishing or golfing in heaven.

"Hey, you're gonna want to hang around God!" he retorts.

People also commonly joke about watching their lives on a giant TV screen in heaven, and Robinson had a similar experience, but he says God showed him only events and

people he would encounter in his future.

Suddenly, Robinson's renewed spirit was drawn back into his mutilated body, and he literally came back uttering an unknown language, he says, though he had never heard of speaking in tongues. He doesn't know if he was medically dead during his experience, but when he awoke, his 106-degree fever instantly broke.

Beaming with inner peace, he opened his eyes to see the worried faces of doctors and nurses hovering around him, and all he could think was, Hey, why is everybody so uptight? he recalls today with a laugh.

Because Robinson was not a Christian before his accident, he is often asked why God allowed him a second chance.

"I repented while I was still alive," he says, convinced that God heard his every desperate cry, from the time of the accident and beyond. "God gave me a thin space of repentance."

That event marked the beginning of Robinson's recovery and eventual call into ministry, although many years would pass before it would all come together.

Through 167 days in the hospital and four more years in a Cleveland rehabilitation center, Robinson endured more than 50 surgeries as doctors tried to put his body back together. The first time they stood him up in physical therapy, he passed out and slept for 24 hours, he says.

He was tube-fed for a year while doctors repaired his esophagus. They reconstructed his face, ear and right hand.

He has vivid memories of many painful procedures--some experimental--but modern medicine could do only so much.

Armed with hope for his future, Robinson pressed on for more. Although he didn't understand the healing power of God, for almost a year he commanded his paralyzed legs to work.

Over time, one leg gradually began to respond to electrical nerve stimulation, but the other did not. A year later, however, in a split second, that leg was fully restored, with no medical explanation. Today Robinson walks, runs and even skis.

"Nerves can improve, but none of them allow that kind of instantaneous recovery," says neurologist and rehabilitation specialist Buddy Nichols of Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Nichols, who consistently used electrical nerve stimulation on patients during his 33 years of practice, says he has never seen a sudden restoration like Robinson's. He says the process would be "long, slow and incomplete" for a case like his in which underlying nerve fibers would have to respond to therapy.

Although he's not Robinson's personal physician, Nichols says he has examined him "from a distance, with a doctor's trained eye" when Robinson has ministered at his church on numerous occasions.

"There's nothing to hypothesize about. What Mickey's describing with these nerves is so out of the realm of possibility, based on medical knowledge, that I would not hesitate, overwhelmingly, to use the term 'miracle,'" Nichols says.

Robinson testifies that another miracle occurred when doctors performed a second corneal transplant on his burned eye, purely for cosmetic reasons. Seven days later they were stunned to find that he had regained normal vision in that eye.

Making Sense of It All

Even after his "return from heaven," Robinson had no biblical understanding of God or his purpose for life. He knew what to expect after death, but he didn't know how to live on earth.

Numerous spiritual encounters deepened his quest to discover his destiny. Once, as a man read the Bible to him in the hospital, Robinson's entire body began to shake violently in his bed. Confounded, he shouted, "I've got to be some kind of priest or something!"

During the next seven years, Robinson studied world religions, trying to make sense of his experiences. The scenes of his future life, shown to him in heaven, remarkably began to unfold during this period.

People from those scenes began to enter his life, including a young woman named Barbara, whom he married in 1973. The couple now have four children, ages 17 to 24.

Despite his dramatic experiences, however, it was the Word of God that finally brought meaning to Robinson's life. Eventually, as he gained understanding of the Scriptures through the personal influence of musician Phil Keaggy and others, he joined a church where he was finally discipled.

"Many people have spiritual encounters, but without a biblical foundation, they don't always find their way to Christ," Robinson says.

Soon, he was invited to share his testimony in Full Gospel Business

Men's meetings. He eventually was asked to join the leadership team of The Church on Elm Street in Butler, Ohio, (now River of Life Church) and the Ohio Prophetic Conference.

"We just sensed leadership ability and the call of God on his life," says Larry Lotz, who was the co-pastor of The Church on Elm Street at the time.

Today, part of the Robinsons' calling is to teach expressive worship through Barbara's ministry, Treasure Wind. Quoting Romans 12:1 from the Amplified Bible, Barbara says her passion is helping people to have a "decisive dedication of [their] bodies...to God."

"It's prophetic worship," she says. "It's a language, like using parables. Sometimes the Word of the Lord will come forth from [expressive] movement."

Ramona Rickard, co-pastor of Church of the Resurrection in Minneapolis, says Barbara's role greatly enhances Mickey's ministry.

"Barbara is a wonderful woman of grace. She gets everyone involved--the old and the young, and people of all abilities," she says.

The Robinsons currently devote much time to regions where community networking is ushering in a new unity and a fresh move of God, particularly around Minneapolis; Rochester Hills, Michigan; and Sacramento, California. Mickey leads prophetic conferences and is also involved in connecting people in pursuit of revival. But his passion is helping people find their destiny in Christ.

"His prophetic gift comes in such an outpouring of love," says Ramona's husband, pastor Jim Rickard. "He captures people by his love, and it's genuine."

"[As a minister] you cannot be aloof," Robinson explains. "You cannot be sequestered, although there are many untouchable ministers out there."

More than a teacher, Mickey Robinson is known as a team player and a relationship-builder. He provides apostolic guidance to churches nationwide, including New River Fellowship, a church in Franklin, Tennessee, co-pastored by musician Michael W. Smith.

"He's very affirming to ministers and ministries," says Don Finto, a former pastor of Nashville's Belmont Church, who played an important role in the Robinsons' move from Mississippi to Nashville, Tennessee, in 1998. "Mickey is a teacher, a lover of people and has a strong prophetic influence."

But Nashville is only one small part of the Robinsons' "relational web," as they call it. And if "relational" is the buzzword, then Mickey is a bee, cross-pollinating the move of God to everyone he meets. To know Robinson is to be his friend, because his warm personality makes him approachable to everyone.

"He's kind of like a Tinkertoy," says Ramona Rickard. "He just connects people."

Looking back, Robinson doesn't blame God for the pain he has suffered. Rather, he is grateful for God's mercy in a world filled with danger and spiritual forces. He cautions people not to question God amid trials that tempt them to withdraw from His comfort or His purposes.

"Oftentimes you are the most pliable when you are in the fire of God," he says. "Even Jesus learned obedience from the things He suffered."

Robinson says he wants his legacy to be like that of the early apostles who "turned the world upside down." Although he's known as a loving, powerful man of God, he believes his real testimony is about his weakness and God's strength.

"People don't realize how desperate their lives really are," he says. "I'm just as desperate for God now as I was when I was lying in the hospital."

Perhaps it is such desperation that keeps this wounded warrior in his place of glory. The glory of God, that is. *



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Anahid Schweikert is a free-lance writer based in Iron Mountain, Michigan, and a frequent contributor to Charisma.



Finding God In the Midst of Pain
Mickey Robinson says the greatest challenge he has faced isn't recovering from an airplane crash but watching his son Michael suffer with cerebral palsy.


Mickey Robinson insists his greatest suffering has nothing to do with his painstaking recovery from an airplane crash. He says his deepest trial has been over his 24-year-old son, Michael, who was born with cerebral palsy.

Michael, the oldest of the Robinsons' four children, has been confined to a wheelchair all of his life. He had unsuccessful back surgery in 1992, resulting in the loss of additional physical abilities, and was left in chronic, excruciating back pain.

A walking miracle hi

mself, Mickey knows how to rely on the Lord for his strength. But watching his own son suffer challenged him to the utmost.

"As my son lay in that bed and looked at me, I was shattered," says Mickey, agonizing with his wife, Barbara, over Michael's pain and loss.

The next several years brought an exacerbating search for appropriate rehabilitation. Numerous rehab centers pronounced Michael's case a lost cause, offering the bright young man no hope for recovery.

"But the Lord's love was present through it all," says Mickey, who admits that the ordeal reordered his own priorities. In time, the Robinsons moved their family to Jackson, Mississippi, where Michael made considerable progress through rehabilitation and prayer support.

Caring for a handicapped family member on a 24/7 basis can be challenging, with adequate Christian resources few and far between, the Robinsons say. Although family and nearby friends have been very helpful, Michael's main respite caregiver is Mike Amheiser, a longtime friend from the Robinsons' church in Butler, Ohio. Amheiser frequently commutes more than seven hours to Franklin, Tennessee, where the Robinsons now live, to care for Michael when Mickey and Barbara travel together for ministry.

"The Lord clearly led me to come and serve [the Robinsons]," says Amheiser, who owns a pizza parlor in Ohio.

Today, as Michael's siblings are moving out on their own for jobs and college, he says he is ready to gain some independence as well and to pursue his own niche in ministry if he can find the right assisted-care facility.

"I want to do something like my dad does, only not so much traveling," says Michael, who loves to pray for people, especially those with back injuries.

"The Lord uses [Michael] because of his willingness," Amheiser says.

Feeling like the Christian community has not generally taken up the call to meet the needs of the handicapped, the Robinsons have emerged from this experience with a vision to establish a semi-independent living facility that would nurture the spiritual gifts and the physical abilities of the handicapped. Plans are under way possibly to develop such a facility in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Stop bursting bubbles until you know the truth, immortality. Your attitude has no business being published within this topic - or any other - until you can back up what you are saying. Psalm 1 says that Christians have no place with scorners and scoffers. Peter talked about scoffers in ll Peter 3. I suggest you read these passages and take it to heart:

Psalm 1

Ps 1:1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
Ps 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night.
Ps 1:3 He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.
Ps 1:4 The ungodly are not so, But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
Ps 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Ps 1:6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the ungodly shall perish.

ll Peter 3

2pe 3:1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder),
2pe 3:2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,
2pe 3:3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,

Don't be a scorner or a scoffer unless you know better.

gr82bsaved
freeman
St John 21:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
dennis mann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M19g4KtVAGQ

youtube video

mickey robinson
9 minutes
Maz
If one is already born again and listens to the entirety of this message (which was hosted by a Canadian evangelist...) then one will see the fingerprint of God all over it. I wholeheartedly endorse the message as it was a from the heart personal experience about a life beyond death encounter with God. Just once in all my born days I would love to see people just openly accept out of hand a witness from God to the end they might be saved. These days we have few voices and few opportunities to see into the eternal realm and this was one such rare time to view the nature and simplicity of salvatioin being offered a man who was obviously hell bound and had this intervention for the reason of bringing him to the awareness of his need....if men and women who are being prayed for do not turn to God and His Christ of their own accord, I do believe that God will move in their lives in whatever way it takes to get their attention and it may well include such drastic events as this man encountered...he would not have listened otherwise and to his and our joy, he is now one of the end time witnesses.....I applaud this video and thankyou Todd for sharing it....
Vissarion
QUOTE (immortality @ Jun 8 2008, 01:48 AM) *
i don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but i must say i am skeptical. he says he literally saw the "river of life". last time i checked, the river of life is not a literal, physical river, but is rather symbolic. perhaps he would say such a thing to acquire false genuity; "well if he saw the river of life, which is mentioned in the bible, he must be telling the truth!"

heaven and hell are real regardless if this man's testimony is genuine, i'm just saying.


I am wondering, Immorality, why you think that it is OK to do away with capitalization.
Writing proper English is not important to you?
Does it take too much energy to hit the 'shift' key?
I'm just saying.

V.
THE SEVEN THUNDERS
This gave me Holy goose bumps!

Thanks, Todd!

Praise our Lord Jesus for His Mercy...

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signet
i have seen this river...dream message when my father died. it came in a window
and looked somehow like music and rainbows soaked in gold particles and flowing
as water...i could not hear the sound in the natural, but in the spirit it was a full
symphony of which in the natural only a violin comes close...

i know that the river of life is real...not symbolic. today i was given a message
to 'swim'. when i reach my destination for this prayer trek i will swim...hopefully
in the pool of Siloam, Texas.

i am blessed by this testimony and thrilled that this man witnesses to us this way.

sorry for those that don't like reading lower case. the spirit reads all cases and
in both directions. in fact the spirit reads in signs, symbols, colors, diagrams,
maps, flowers, clouds, creatures and many other ways beyond imagination.

these things are personalized for each encounter so that each person can know
that God loves them and shows them in a way that they can understand...

that's how it works. that's what we love and seek in the Savior, our God.
it's called fellowship with God.

blessings,
signet
immortality
QUOTE (Vissarion @ Aug 6 2008, 07:15 PM) *
QUOTE (immortality @ Jun 8 2008, 01:48 AM) *
i don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but i must say i am skeptical. he says he literally saw the "river of life". last time i checked, the river of life is not a literal, physical river, but is rather symbolic. perhaps he would say such a thing to acquire false genuity; "well if he saw the river of life, which is mentioned in the bible, he must be telling the truth!"

heaven and hell are real regardless if this man's testimony is genuine, i'm just saying.


I am wondering, Immorality, why you think that it is OK to do away with capitalization.
Writing proper English is not important to you?
Does it take too much energy to hit the 'shift' key?
I'm just saying.

V.


i apologize, v. it's really just been a habit i've had for quite some time. but you are indeed correct, my friend. it really just stems from my lack of appreciation for the english language. perhaps when i get to be your age, i'll grow up. until then, viewers of my posts will just have to suffer.
Dan
And did you know that you can buy Micky Robinson books and DVD's?


TSD
QUOTE (immortality @ Jun 8 2008, 04:48 AM) *
i don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but i must say i am skeptical. he says he literally saw the "river of life". last time i checked, the river of life is not a literal, physical river, but is rather symbolic. perhaps he would say such a thing to acquire false genuity; "well if he saw the river of life, which is mentioned in the bible, he must be telling the truth!"

heaven and hell are real regardless if this man's testimony is genuine, i'm just saying.


Good call. Its rather convienient, that people who have near death experiences see the Heaven or deity they were raised with. You dont hear about buddhist/shinto/pagan "near death" experiences, but they exist. Its because when people are experiencing near death experiences, they are not "dead" so to speak, well in any case their brain is still working, nobody has come back to tell the tail from being brain dead. Deprevation of oxygen to the brain causes hallucenations.
IrishRose
I know, a stoning coming to me here, but I am a believer in Universal Salvation, or Ultimate Reconciliation. All will be saved... and there is heaps of info to back up the erroneously translated words in the Bible such as "Hell", "Everlasting", "Eternal", "Damnation", etc. It is the will of God that ALL be saved... and that only GOD chooses US, we do not choose God. It is all in His timing... and ALL will be SAVED.... no Hell. Justice will be served, and punishments will be doled out at judgement day, but all will bow their knee to the Lord Jesus... the Lord WILLS all men to be SAVED and to not PERISH. But that's another debate, and I will not go there smile.gif..... I have a new life of faith in the Lord due to the fact that there is no HELL and no BURNING forever (as forever is not a word that means eternal, check it out in the Greek)... Gehenna is actually a valley in the Middle East. Everyone should do an in depth study on the real meaning of punishment, hell, death, and salvation... as well as what the true commandments are for today. Just my opinion, and of course, you are free to have yours. But my commandment from my Lord is that we should be a LIGHT to the GENTILES, to LOVE EVERYONE, even our ENEMIES, and to PREACH SALVATION to ALL. That is a gift, not earned. And is given to ALL. Free will is not what we think it is, and neither is heaven or hell. I agree, delusions and hallucinations are the devil's playground and he will use them to make men fear the Lord, but fear not out of love, but truly FEAR and be afraid of our LOVING God and SAVIOR of the WORLD, JESUS CHRIST. I would rather believe in LOVE and SALVATION for ALL, than death and HELL and TORMENT for my family that is not quote 'saved'. Do you wish to see your son/daughter/husband/wife/aunt/uncle/friend, etc. burn in HELL forever? Would a LOVING GOD do that? Would YOU do that to your child? Why would an ALL LOVING GOD do that? I would rather have faith in a God that LOVES me and CARES for ALL than one that only chooses a few. That's pride and it needs to be repented of. smile.gif
voice
QUOTE (IrishRose @ Aug 17 2008, 05:09 AM) *
I know, a stoning coming to me here, but I am a believer in Universal Salvation, or Ultimate Reconciliation. All will be saved... and there is heaps of info to back up the erroneously translated words in the Bible such as "Hell", "Everlasting", "Eternal", "Damnation", etc. It is the will of God that ALL be saved... and that only GOD chooses US, we do not choose God. It is all in His timing... and ALL will be SAVED.... no Hell. Justice will be served, and punishments will be doled out at judgement day, but all will bow their knee to the Lord Jesus... the Lord WILLS all men to be SAVED and to not PERISH. But that's another debate, and I will not go there smile.gif ..... I have a new life of faith in the Lord due to the fact that there is no HELL and no BURNING forever (as forever is not a word that means eternal, check it out in the Greek)... Gehenna is actually a valley in the Middle East. Everyone should do an in depth study on the real meaning of punishment, hell, death, and salvation... as well as what the true commandments are for today. Just my opinion, and of course, you are free to have yours. But my commandment from my Lord is that we should be a LIGHT to the GENTILES, to LOVE EVERYONE, even our ENEMIES, and to PREACH SALVATION to ALL. That is a gift, not earned. And is given to ALL. Free will is not what we think it is, and neither is heaven or hell. I agree, delusions and hallucinations are the devil's playground and he will use them to make men fear the Lord, but fear not out of love, but truly FEAR and be afraid of our LOVING God and SAVIOR of the WORLD, JESUS CHRIST. I would rather believe in LOVE and SALVATION for ALL, than death and HELL and TORMENT for my family that is not quote 'saved'. Do you wish to see your son/daughter/husband/wife/aunt/uncle/friend, etc. burn in HELL forever? Would a LOVING GOD do that? Would YOU do that to your child? Why would an ALL LOVING GOD do that? I would rather have faith in a God that LOVES me and CARES for ALL than one that only chooses a few. That's pride and it needs to be repented of. smile.gif


http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry223964

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry224692

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QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 8 2008, 08:49 PM) *
Yes they are real, at least our HEAVEN is real, for I witness to you all that I have seen it.

http://spiritlessons.com/DOCUMENTS/BillWie...InHell_Text.htm
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Hell is a very real place as well as Heaven is. The scriptures teach that.

In Judaism...they also believe in a real place of torment...according to my Orthodox friend. Yeshua practiced Judaism. He knew of this also.

This is why He went to the cross. So that He could pay the price for our sins once and for all, and we could be saved if we accepted what He did and believed in Him.

If there is no hell.....then He would not have had a need to go to the cross.

As for people going there.....well hell was not prepared for us. It was prepared, the scriptures say, for Satan and the angels that followed him.

But the scriptures teach that hell is the place that all who have rejected Christ will end up in.

However....babies and little children are not EVER going to be in hell. smile.gif

God is not a cruel God. He loves little ones very much. He would not take an innocent baby and punish the baby because it died. This baby did not know about sin. It is evil to think God would do this.

Little children do not go to hell because there is no way they can understand if something they do is sin.

In Judaism....there is an age of accountability that they believe in.

Only some Christian denominations have twisted scripture to say that even babies and children can go to hell. This is very wrong theology.

The Bible says that the way to heaven is a straight and narrow path...and few are they that find it. So yes....many will perish in hell.

But no babies and children will ever be in such a place.






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QUOTE (gr82bsaved @ Jun 8 2008, 01:21 PM) *
JESUS is coming back very soon, and HE is looking for all those who are ready and watching for HIS return! All of the signs of HIS coming are being fulfilled now!

gr82bsaved


Amen - He is coming for the children especially.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4_JLvGcRuk...feature=related


But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
Matthew 19:14


Just like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation
I Peter 2:2
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Rest assured that fornication, even cyberfornication or attempts to such, will be seen by the Father.
Thee knowest the penalty for such.
GodLovesYou
Amen Justice... I think it's sickening too. May the Lord see all that are doing so, behind their computer screens thinking nobody sees them or knows what they are doing. God bless you today and always! xo Rose
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