Just out of curiousity, Do you believe it would be wise for The US and/or Israel (or a coalition) to attack Iran's suspected Nuclear development facilities asap?

My idea is that, if there is actual substantial evidence of weapons' devolopement, yes. someone should organize a well timed, surgical strike. If this occurs, there needs to be a completely thought out plan for every possible outcome of the strikes, without any presumptiveness involved.

I also would be extrememly cautious not to jump the gun before any actual and substantial hard evidence can be shown to absolutely prove that WMDs are being produced. This happenned with the current war in Iraq. We had plenty of reason to be suspicious. But we did not obtain sufficient hard evidence before we attacked. We hopefully have learned from this. Obviously Iran is taking advantage of these factors and running with them.

They would be foolish to assume that if the US, if for whatever reason, does not attack them if sufficient intelligence is obtained, that Israel would back down from confronting them. The US has, coincidentially, contributed amply to supply Israel with sufficient weaponry for any potential conflict with Iran.

It is eary, but I see things coming into position that so far confirm the following:

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=18115

I don't think it is necessary at this point. It has been confirmed by a lot of other countries that Iran has suspended their nuclear weapons program. I think Bush might push them till they attack our foreign interests though, he really seems bent on attacking them, keeps pushing and pushing. I think that eventually this is going to be what sets in motion Ezekiel 38 and 39. But that is just my opinion.

Considering the threats Ahmadinejad has made in the past and recently.....YES!

To NOT do it would be very very foolish in my opinion.

I think Israel knows this, and has every intention to make sure the people are safe. I don't think they want to put the Samson Option into play.

It is AMERICANS that are not aware of how dangerous this man is. At the same time.....it is the American PEOPLE that need to decide what course we will take. Our move should not be left up to what other nations want us to do.

Amen to that sister!

I just would add that there definitely needs to be some substantiated evidence gathered, at any cost, before any demands are made on Iran.

USA has lost two wars already. Most of America friends who was with them is withdrawing in Iraq. I seriously doubt USA can do anything. USA just boast a lot with their technology. Seriously.

Y'all c'mon! Nobody is going to attack anybody and if Israel or the US were to attack, that would cascade into the death of us all.

REALLY?

You have GOT to be kidding me. YOU THINK AMERICA IS JUST BOASTING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO?

You really do not understand very many Americans do you...lol. Piece of advise...don't take your cues from the silly Hollywood people. They DO NOT represent the majority of Americans.

Let me just say this.....we have the fire power and the capability to turn Iran into particles of dust. I guess they are already half way there...but still.

Simply put...we can annihilate them. And I really am serious.

Look who decided it was in their best interest to back down when they wanted to test a US Warship....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNL6DyH_IfA...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IrelAO52M&NR=1

LOL! I think they figured it was not such a good idea after all. Too bad I was not at the helm. The way I feel right now...I would have blown them away for just the threat.

Calming myself back down.......destroying a people is not something we or anyone should ever do. There are good Iranians, including some brothers and sisters, not to mention some Jewish people.

And what two wars did we loose? I only remember loosing Vietnam...and I wouldn't really call that loosing because it was a mutual agreement to end the war.

What spirit is speaking here?

Adullam.....(as you point fingers... when you should be pointing them at yourself...)

I am posting as an American who has a little insight.

I was just letting WhiteNight know that America is not kidding around with what we are capable of.

They should be on their knees asking God to forgive them for all the terrorists threats they make against Israel and the U.S.

Sorry, I was just posting as a wee Christian

That's part of their problem, they are always on their knees and worshipping their god, Abaddon, Apollyon, the destroyer.

See the problem with attacking Iran is that, if i remember correctly, that russia wouldn't like that and russia and china have an agreement together and they both don't like us very much already and they do have (as far as i can tell) as much power as we do.

I am sorry that your trust in God is so low, redemption.
Fear has never been a good advisor, we walk by faith.

If Iran is not dealt with, the world domination of the islam hardliners is a fact, and we might as well toss the towell in that case.
With regard to Iran, there is no need to occupy the land, after it has become an open tar pit aka lake of fire from Teheran to the Strait of Hormuz.

Or do you think God will abandon Israel? Maybe time to read the Word again, God Bless.

Lol, you gave me a chuckle. I didn't say that because I was afraid or because my trust in God is low, He is the only one I trust. I was just pointing out the obvious. The government will probably consider the same thing before they attack or not. =P

I really could care less if we attack or not except that it could possibly furthur prophecy that is in the works.

Redemption....

I know all about that. But we cannot let that dictate our moves when it comes down to protecting Israel.

We all know what the scriptures say about that. We serve a MIGHTY GOD and I pray we get leaders in this nation who will be true to Israel and not turn around and shake hands with the enemy behind their back.

I think this is part of the problem we are having in this nation....because the current President does just that. And I voted for the guy. I figured he was better than the others.

I just pray that McCain will do better....if he is elected.

Excaliber....(if you read this)

I hope you are right about McCain ensuring a win if Obama runs for the Dems. And I wish you would come back to the forum...at least a little bit...lol. Miss you and Bruce. Shalom.

Mondoux!

Yes, I guess it would be very hard for them to ask the One TRUE God about forgiveness when they don't even pray to Him. But at some point....they will bow their knees to our Jewish Messiah and answer to Him for all the terror that they put on Israel.

We need to always be lifting Israel up in our prayers while praying for salvation for its enemies too.

Prophesy, my friend, is not furthered by the hand of man, but by the Hand of God.
And when God wants a tar pit, He makes one.

What? you're not a republican!?

Worse than that John, I am not even an American!
But does it matter on what soil I walk, when God is with me? =)

I assure you this day, that we are only a fraction away from the moment that God will clean His House, the garden, the street, the city, the country and the continents.

You all seem convinced that man has a hand in this, which is presumptious when comparing it with the Hand of God.
May the One and Only Our God receive all the Praise!

Yeah,But Israel is much,much more powerful than russia,china, and all the arabs put together. ..................................benny

Well, China seems to have already buried their nukes (or was it God?).

And the fate of Gog is known.

The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turns it wherever he will. (Prov 21:1)

The Lord raised up Cyrus to attack His people and called him "His annointed" in order to chasten His people who were in rebellion and idolatry and turn their hearts back to Him.
I see a similar situation on the horizon.

Can you imagine the terror they feel over there? How would you feel if a stronger enemy was threating NUKING you?! May the Lord comfort the believers over there- there are many- folks- and I send
blessings to them right now in Jesus name because Christians in Iran are my family.
I wish them God's best and He is strong to protect them even from a war or a nuclear attack. The Lord is powerful and human armies - the Lord laughs at them.

We can have peace and rest in a time that will cause many people's hearts to faint for fear- because the Lord has given many promises to us of physical protection.

Look at what he did at the Red Sea crossing. It will put faith in your heart. God is strong to rescue and deliver believers even in impossible situations:
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

blessedinva, it will not even come to a nuclear detonation, because God will suspend time at that point.

that and when finally the spirit of the false prophet is finally destroyed

Amen!

OH really?. You can turn Iran to dust?. Then what is USA waiting for?. Go and do it?. Please stop boasting a lot. No matter how far your technology goes. Even if you have invinsible ship or missile or anything for that matter. China and Russia won't stay quiet until you have been destroyed.

Come on admit it you lost a war in Vietam with a serious blow and USA is showing the same progress in Iraq and Afghan.

One more thing. I have been to Iran few years back. To be honest they are lot of very good people there. I would not be happy if USA taking action against them for one lose cannon talking trash against Israel. Why kill millions of innocent people for just 1 person?. Many would call USA a barbaric country. Seriously history do show how barbaric USA miltary is. Killing innocent people in Japan. Your crimes will not go unpunished.







Clearly this say how many of people who wants diplomacy not war.

All in a matter of time.

They will get theirs sooner or later. And it very well may be GOD that does it.

But God could very well use the United States and/or Israel to do it.



Do you recall what JAPAN did to the United States at Pearl Harbor? Now who was it that fired the first shot? HMMM....?

Who came to a foreign nation to TRY to destroy our fleet? Did we go to them first? NO.

And they unfortunately got a taste of retaliation..... didn't they! Is that our fault now? They were the ones that started it. Are we now barbarians for giving them a taste of their own medicine?

And what do you think happend in Vietnam? Where you there? Tell me... what did we loose? We lost lives..but so did they.

The answer is.....THERE WERE NO WINNERS IN VIETNAM. NONE! It was a mutual agreement to end the war.

When a battle is won....the loosing army is either taken over and destroyed or they give in to the demands of the other army.

Non of that happend in Vietnam. We did not give in and they did not give in. It was mutual to end the war, with stipulations on both sides.

And what other war did we loose? You have not answered that one for me yet?



I'm sure there are nice people there. I think there are nice people all over the world.

HOWEVER.....they are keeping a man in power who will lead them to destruction. Ahmadinejad does have enemies within his own country... but he also has a strong support base from the people.

He belongs to the Shiite branch of the Muslim faith. And he very well may have been involved with the American Embassy takeover in 1979 in Tehran where he (or someone that looks very very much like him) is seen walking a CIA prisoner away. It is believed to be him.



Just so you know.....no American loves war. But the scriptures teach that there is a time for everything...including war.

And God says that he will be against any nation that goes against Israel. But besides that....I think the world OWES Israel and the Jewish people protection against a tyrannical dictator.

It is with that in mind that I think the United States should do whatever is necessary to protect that nation besides our own.



Seriously....before you, as an American hater, tells anyone about how barbaric the U.S. is....take some time and learn about history and the history of other nations that you support.

And you are wrong....many in Europe love the U.S. The media here is what we call "liberal" and they try to distort the truth in the minds of many.

I have friends who travel abroad and have been all over the world and they tell me that they have people come up to them and say, "God bless the United States". They tend to really like us Americans from what I hear.

Of course there are many who do hate us....but there is still many that do appreciate what our country has done.

And you know what..? ..we have soldiers in Iraq that are being told the same thing by Iraqis. For the most part....the people are happy we came to liberate them from Saddam Hussein who would torture them if they ever spoke out against him.

Our soldiers carry injured Iraqis to safety many times even when factions in their own country are the ones shooting and killing.

No...if you educate yourself a bit...and stop listening to the Muslim extremists....you would find that the United States is very peaceful UNTIL we are provoked. And we give out more aide to nations than any other country on the planet.

When disasters happen....many times it is groups from the U.S.A that come to help.

Barbaric we are not. You need to learn what the REAL meaning of that word is.

(and just so you know....that poll means nothing)

What? no recourse to weapons wielded by the flesh??? What is the church coming to ?

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happy2befree.

Your post really moved me. I could just hear the Star Spangled Banner playing as I was almost in tears with pride and gratitude for my freedom here in the USA. Amen sister, AMEN!!!! You are awsome! You should be a public speaker in debates with Nancy Palosi (however her name is spelled) and our moveon.org friends.

José, can you see??

Hugs to you Eli....

That was very kind of you brother.

We have much in this nation to be thankful for.

You have a wonderful day. I need to go make myself some coffee and get my day started. I didn't go to bed until 4:30 AM because I was waiting up for one of my daughters who is in Texas to call me. I finally got to talk to her this morning and I can relax now.

And now my youngest is off to Branson for the day with some friends and I have the whole day to myself. This is unusual territory for me...lol. I better make the best of it.

Shalom to you Eli.

Cindy

What is going to happen is Israel is going to send their forces and their power into Gaza against Hamas.

You sound like a good mom. I have 4 little ones. The oldest is 5. We have our hands full and our quiver full of arrows too. I hope I don't have to send them to war. But if I must, and the war is just, I will be proud and very supportive. I wish I could just go with them but I will be too old and I have asthma that acts up if I start running. Every war is fought because one or more sides involved believe some stupid lies of the devil. That is what hurts almost as bad as the loss of life and limb. Stupid Islamic eschatology, stupid Naziism, stupid Communist atheism. Satan breeds hate and aggression.

I would not hesitate at all to wet my sword with the blood of God's enemies. Of course I would be praying that God would touch their hearts first, and I have done much of that already. "There is a time for war" God has said. One day it will be over. There is a new day comin! But until then we are in a broken world. Lets all do whatever we can to leave the place a little better than when we came.

Why not rather teach them the ways of the kingdom and prepare them as disciples according to the Spirit that they may learn to war according to the Spirit? Is it better to die for one's country while killing and maiming people in the flesh...or to die for the cause of Christ while rescuing people from death to life? What should be more effective to a Christian...a marine recruiting poster or the word of God? Just a few thoughts.

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It is not an either/or option. "There is a time for war. There is a time for peace." When an jihadists is really coming at me or my countrymen with gun ablazing, bombs strapped on his chest or a nuclear weapon he is attempting to detonate, you had better not start preaching. You had better be fast and accurate on the trigger to stop him. God is with us to do that when we have no other option. Do you think that Hitler could have been persuaded to be nice? No, I don't believe so.

God does not change ever. He commanded the Israelites to exterminate whole communities at times. He still wanted all men everywhere to repent back then too. But God knows that there comes a time when evil must be put in check before it overtakes the rest of the world continues on, generation after generation, raising children to be devils with hearts that never soften. Then war becomes a mercy preventing the infants and future generations from entering the eternal hell. God did not ask Joshua to preach to the Canaanites. Because the Amorites "iniquity was full" as God had told Abraham.

I have no idea why iam so concered about upcoming war. When there is Lord looking. happy2Bfree i have nothing against USA. It is just there is no reason for this war. Also after destorying Iran it is another countries that is rebuilding and loosing their lives for your wars. So many unharmed Indians died in Afghan and Iraq. Let us hope when a new president of USA comes that things will change.

But are you not missing the depth of the gospel here? Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Should we not follow Him according to the Spirit? Leave the natural reasoning behind and be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Whiteknight, it is quite futile to attempt to dislodge American Christians from their inordinate affection for their temporal state. Any disagreement with this tainted love is labeled as anti-American. The gospel in that particular country has been syncretized with the idolatry of patriotism. Only prayer (and fasting?) is effective against this form of deception.

Love in Christ,
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You are correct. We spent so much time on debating and talking about unnessary thing and spent less times in Lord.

Yup.

No. I am saying the the Holy Spirit who renews our minds also told Joshua to go and fight. There is only one, unchanging God.

If Joshua would have sent diplomats to Jericho, it would never have fallen or changed its ways.

you must be a registered demoncrat. lol
Obama!

I have no clue what you mean. I assume you are not responding to my post?

You are mixing the Testamants here.We are no longer under the law but under grace. We are to be led by the Holy Spirit. Our new country is what we fight for. it is not of this world. Let the dead bury the dead.

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There is more than enough reason for a war when it is well known that Ahmadinejad is not only threatening Israel...but also the United States of America. He likes to say that we will cease to exist.

One day, he will pay a terrible price in the end for his demonic threats on Israel.

At the moment....there are still believers in the United States. When he moves to attempt to destroy not only the chosen ones of God but also believers.....he is angering God. And I think God will unleash His wrath upon those Islamic nations for all the terror that they are trying to inflict on the world, not to mention His children.

Despite any concrete evidence to the scenario you propose, you are naively overlooking the retaliatory responses from Iran's close allies, Russia, China and North Korea. It is clear that any attack on Iran will instantly precipitate WWIII, a thermal nuclear holocaust of the entire Northern Hemisphere of the Earth and the instantaneous annihilation of 50% of the planet's population, an ideal desire of the Illuminati and One World Order with their planetary depopulation strategic agenda to reduce the Earth’s population to a controllable 500 million in the “Post-Nuclear Age”, which if this scenario were to occur as you suggest, then obviously there would be a guaranteed 95% nuclear extermination of the United States' population, and a 100% nuclear obliteration of Israel. The plans have long been on the drawing board to achieve this outcome; that's why FEMA has constructed throughout the U.S. regional concentration camps and death camps to activate in the Post-Nuclear Age under Martial Law, and the U.S. Government is a cooperative player in this Illuminati end game to establish a One World Fascist Government, the Fourth Reich.

You really need to view the video I posted, "9/11 Exposed" to understand the full scope of where we are ultimately headed.

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