You have a heart of gold, Miki

Amen. And it bears witness with many other prophecies that have been spoken in times past- some for hundreds of years. Hmmm.... so much for doom amd gloom with some modern prophets today since they are not tolerated in some circles. Last time I knew prophets were to edify the church and that includes warnings and judgement whether we want to hear it or not.

In the Bible, if you say you are a prophet but most of what you say does not come to pass you are false. I'm not talking about missing it once or a delay.. I'm talking about being wrong a lot and not having an accurate track record. There is no way around it biblically, either you are false, or true. Many try to say that Jonah's judgment against Ninevah did not come to pass as he preached... but it was actually delayed because they repented. Many will use this argument that there is room for error in prophecy; but that is not true.

Jesus warned us that many false christs and prophets would arise in the last days. I am tired of hearing people say "touch not my anointed" when someone questions a prophet because of inaccuracy. This is so abused! Well, if they are false then they are not anointed by God are they? Paul named false teachers and prophets by name, Jeremiah addressed them too? So where are the true apostles that address these false prophets? They are often handled by apologetics ministries that are attacked for judgmentalism, when many times its discernment that some of these ministries are exercising. There is a big difference between a critical spirit and discernment.

So those of us who are exaiming these things here I am glad because I think we will need to seek the Lord and walk closer than ever before with Him and make sure we are using discernment.

"the last 3 months of the year (Oct., Nov., Dec.) are going to be God's outpouring to His people. Wonderful miricles, healings, prosperity, ect. Now the others are saying something "big" is going to happen in Oct on the west coast. So which is it? One or the other or both? Would God being doing 2 things at the same time? Shakings and blessings? Thoughts?"

the above is a quote from a poster.

havent any arguements with anyone here so am not shooting the messenger.

3 months of persecution then glorious revival???????

ask the chinese or burmese or sudanese etc etc what they think. its taken years of persecution to get them to the point they are at now. they have a greater sense of god and a greater understanding of things spiritual than any in the western world.

and clement thinks we can do the same in 3 months??

what a joke.

since when can one receive the crown of glory before the crown of thorns?

p.s. yes yes i know god is a god of miracles but lets get real

As some of you know Kim is a prophet to the President. Did you hear he predicted Rudy Giuliani as the next President and that he would be filled with the Spirit while in office?

I watched the republican debates...I think He's the only one that can beat a democrate.

And yes l know about him and have been disappointed by him...Strange goings on...

I have never heard Kim Clement give the name of the next president, only that he has met him. What is your source for Kim Clement giving the name?

Caneman

If Kim Clement says Giuliani is the next President, I'll bet a barrel of gold Dubloons against a lizard burp that it won't be so!

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Oh, that's funny

I heard it on TBN..He was on and said he had accidentally let it slip out at one of his prophetic meetings...that he doesn't usually do that. But he didn't say who he had predicted so l knew if l googled l'd find it.

By the way...He predicted Bush the first time out.

Boy can l see reasons for this... (that is..if you're into conspiracy theories...)

My hardest deal is, that in one way l want Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas, but l don't think he can beat a democrat...So then what? I sort of wanted Senator McCain because he understands evil and the need to fight it...but after the debate l saw how tired he really is...Julianne has dealt with the USA on a microcosm when he was gov. of NY...Plus he understands a major crisis...but he's for things l'm not for.

So...we will see what times brings.

He prophesied Bush in 2000 and 2004. I know most of youse guys poo poo KC, but if you look at his public prophesies he is remarkably accurate. I think I would listen to what he says before I would trust a bible code.

Caneman

I was in BOTH meetings where he prophesied Bush both times. The first time he spoke it was before Bush was even Gov. of TX. He said that the next president would have one eye and be a burning bush from TX. Of course we all thought of an eye patch! One eye can mean singleness of purpose though. And one year after he took office we were attacked...........he has been a burning Bush and has had singleness of purpose.

I have read much of this site, and frankly most of you are of the Hal Lindsay/Jack van Impe type. Lindsay has revised his book over and over and they always see the worst. What ever happened to "touch not God's annointed??" Do any of you still listen to both of those charlitans? LOL!

Kim speakes to the purpose and plans God has for the nation and people individually. All good things come from God. The judgement prophecies in the OT were for the apostate nation of Israel/Judah. They were whoring after every tree stump they could find. He was letting them know that a time would come (the time that is now thru Christ) that their temple worship would be over and their covenant, that they had annuled by sin, would be replaced with a new and better covenant.

Does God not show you your future and the things he would like to do thru you? Does he not speak in the middle of your trials that something better is ahead if you will hold on in faith to him?? It is easy to say "woe, woe" but very hard to hear thru the trials the good things God would say to someone.

If someone is dying of cancer and gets a word that they will see their grandkids in the ministry..........and they have none yet......well, daggum, that's a good word and a lifeline to bring faith for a future and that they are promised to overcome death and live to declare His glory!

Or if someone has lost a child and is told "you shall have more kids" then goes on to become deathly ill, to the point of a possilbe hysterectomy...what is she to do. "Kim is a false prophet..look at me, I'm sick??" Or does she grab that promise, hold it for the lifeline that it is, having seen prior words come to pass from him, and get a marvelous healing and go on to have 3 more kids?? "One who recieves a prophet in the name of a prophet, recieves a prophets reward."

That woman is me folks. My abdomen was swollen to the size of a 6 mo. pregnancy. I had to sleep sitting up and God did not allow us to go to the hospital. There are parts I do not remember, as according to my husband I was delerious part of the time. But on the decisive night, I kept saying "God told me I will have another child.........Jesus you said I will have another child" That night I felt a hand on my abdomen.........hugh, hot hand. the heat suffused my body while my hubby snored!! Within 3 days I was COMPLETELY healed..........and had twins and another child after that, for a total of 6!

There are many out there prophecying gloom and doom..........because his voice is different that makes him wrong? Is God not a good God. Can He not overcome the evil meant for us by the devil (and his prophets) and bring us a future and a hope?? Will the gates of hell prevail against you or not? As for me and my house...........no they will not.

On the subject of some of the words on Kim's site being gone, the Secrect Service and FBI asked him to remove any that have had to do with terrorism, the president, etc. Safety and secruity reasons. I suppose you conspiracsy theory folks see that different, but I don't. Been watching Kim for 20 years.........many of the words are conditional upon the faith of the people. Kinda like the false prophet Jonah. According to your ideals he is a false prophet. What he said and what happened were 2 different things.


Oh, and why should Kim charge for his books and cd's? Did any of you pay to see a movie this week, buy a book or cd?? He has to pay to publish/produce them..........

But, you dont' have to believe him....but when the time comes and he was correct, will you recieve the prophets reward??

Do not be discouraged. Go with what the Holy Ghost reveals to you. Trust what He is saying to you concerning Kim. You have no need tha tanyone teach you as you have the Holy Ghost and He reveals the truth to you in your inner man (or woman!!).

As far as Rudy, God is more than able to change that man. Can any of us here say that we have not been completely transformed by His word?? Huchabee is one of those "barely there, I can do anything I want and still be saved" Christians. My husband heard him and wouldn't vote for him for anything. Give me an honest man: honest about what he believes and does any day over a man like Huckabee.

Remember...it is God who sets up one and puts down another. Clinton was the kind of man this nation deserved, due to the beliefs of the christians of this nation. Finney said that a nation gets the kind of leadership it deserves. And yes, Clinton was the gatekeeper....what he allowed in is what we got. Porn became easier to get, his type of sex became the norm amongst kids.........

And we have had no more terrorist attacks in almost 7 years! Woot! God can work with a man like Rudy because he isn't saved and will be more open to his sins being revealed, but a man like Huckabee, who thinks he is saved and that he is going to heaven, well, he thinks he is ok and won't here from a prophet. Kim meets and teaches Rudy frequently and meets with Bush monthly.

Those of you here who judge Rudy for his sins!!! Did you sin before you were saved?? Who are you to cast stones? Ought you not rather to pray for his soul? Shame on you people. Take the plank out of your own eye then look to his. I do hope that none of you who can't even stop smoking aren't casting stones at either of these men??


BTW, Miki........not all of this is directed at you.........I sorta went off here, eh??


Edited cause I'm a rotten speller!

Ha! I had a little laugh..I go off too. It's ok...I had a dream about something Kim said before he said it the next day. It was strange...about inspector clouseau..I'll try to look for it.

And by the way Caneman...I have no problem believing the bible-codes as the Lord reveals through Shekel...though at one time l regrettably doubted. It's something the Lord has to show one personally.

Just some of my thoughts. I truly believe that there are no more prophets. Paul spoke
of false teachers, teachers that exponded on the word of God. Take so many popular ministries
today, what makes them popular? Is it not the fact that they welcome everyone into the fold.
Their church doors are wide open to all people in the name of love. God so does love the
sinner but hates the sin. In the early church people were castout because of their sinful ways.
Now all sinners are welcome with no need of repentance. The collection plate is much more
important than calling sin, sin. Many church leaders are filthy rich at a time when there is so
much poverty both physical and spiritual. What is the end result? These congregational leaders
end up in a different class. They, by their wealth put them into the most wealthy class of people
and by so doing become separated from the average working class of people and this fosters
resentment not only by church members but the society as a whole. They live behind high
gated walls alienated from even their own flock. Is this what God has in mind for the leaders
of His church? Does this not tell the flock the most important thing is money and earthly riches?
I do think that some of these popular ministers become slaves to the almighty dollar, soon
the dollar becomes the master and not Christ.
The word of God is complete as it has been written. Jesus wants to save souls. That is the
purpose and only purpose of the church. What would be gained if one had all the riches in the
world but lost their very soul in the process. God still speaks to people thru His written word.
The word of God is alive and the head of all believers is very much alive. Do not fall for the
word of a better and improved you! So much is taught today about self improvement.
Self this and self that, becomes the word and soon Jesus is left knocking on the church's door.
As He knocks the people sit in their pews, rich and self righteous. They are where they come
every Lord's day. The Lord is far from their sinful thoughts. Preachers teach and profess
that it is God's will that we should all be rich and in need of nothing. Amen?

Thunder

I don't think Kim Clement is a bad guy. I'm sure he sincerely believes he is a Prophet, but from his meetings I've been at; I'm sure he is not. I'm glad the Lord healed you, and PRAISE GOD He used Rev. Clement. But I've never heard him prophesy ONE THING that actually happened. Most of his prophecies seem rather obscurely worded, and delphic in character. I don't think Samuel would have approved laser light shows complete with 'dancing maidens' in skin-tight outfits either!

PS: Yes, he ought to charge for books, tapes, etc.....

You can find "bible codes" in large books like Moby Dick and War and Peace, this has been documented by scientists, codes that seem just as holy as the codes mined in the bible.

Caneman

That's funny. I have been to dozen's of his meetings and never seen a light show, nor dancing maidens. LOL! Oh, that is funny. Does he have a few female singers....yeah. Do they dance....yeah. Are they in "skin tight" clothes.......no, they wear jeans or slacks.....like most of the rest of us as we dance.

hahahahahaaaaa........oh, and I listed 3 things that came to pass.

Do you see him in SoCal? Do you ever watch him on the God.TV (on DirecTV channel 365)... he is on there frequently.

Caneman

Saw his 1st meeting in SoCal.....long ago. Pat Boone was there....that dude actually wears white shoes in public!!!!

Seen him here in Phx and many times on TBN. Watch him online now........no regular tv in my house! I was in the meetings where he spoke of Bush for the very first time BEFORE he was gov. of TX.

I have 2 prophets from completely different backgrounds I listen to. They don't know each other at all and yet say the same things in different manners. They have not been wrong yet, so I will continue to listen. The one speakes of Chronos and Kiaros time periods. (these are spelled so wrong!!!) He has spoken of different 7 years periods, which if my hubby and I had understood, we would have been saved allot of trouble.

Problem is we don't always understand what God says thru prophets and it is meant to be practical. Daniel didn't understand anything God said until the angel told him what it was. Now people have taken what the angel DIRECTLY INTREPRETED and changed it into modern prophecies supposedly meant for today.

Anyway, I get all wound up and go off! Sorry! LOL!

Pat Boone and white shoes, LOL, that is funny..

The other prophet you are talking about is Chuck Pierce? I think I have heard him talk about 7 year periods... didn't we just end one of them, a period of war, and now starting a new 7 year period?

Caneman

No, though someone else has mentioned him. My other is a friend named Randy Shankle. If you like you can pm me and I will give you an address where you can order a brochure to look at his tapes/cds. The only proplem with him is he uses alot of Greek terms and pronounces them badly! Like me! hahahaha. They sorta have a lingo all their own. haha.

Does Randy Shankle has a website? I read the other day from the Elijiah list where KC prophesied a large socal earthquake in 2009.

Caneman

Sent via pm.

Most so called bible codes found on the internet are false, and involve silly short statements or even just words. These are the sort of thing that are found in any kind of literature randomly. These are not [u]the kind of codes that form images.

But take a look at the first 19 names in the genealology in the bible from Adam to Terah, father of Abraham. The first letter of each name forms an acrostic. What are the odds of this being random chance?

http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_prophecy.htm

Shekel, you need to investigate the work of the australian mathematician, I forget his name, but he is very convincing and has not yet been debunked by code proponents... I think you should be careful in how much trust you put in these computer codes, as we all can find something in them with any book.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would be in us and will show us things to come... I think most of us are not patient and faithful enough to believe Jesus for this and develop that kind of relationship with Him... it is extremely difficult and requires a lot of time, and requires the death of the ego to become close enough to the indwelling Trinity to hear what they are saying... it is much easier to look for external means as signs instead of treading the narrow path with Jesus. Just think how close and senstive you could be to hearing His inner voice if you spent quiet time before Him learning how to hear His still small voice and loving Him instead of pouring over computer print outs. I don't say this with sanctimonous piety, for I am not at that place either, but I want it and am heading on that journey with Him.

Caneman

God called me to do this. But that is for others to discern.

But what about the example I just gave you? How can that be chance? If that is chance, then all other evidence for the bible is false, for in my mind any way, I have yet to see anything more convincing of the validity of God's word than the above example. Not in bible prophecy nor in anything else.

Or do you think that faith is believing something without evidence?

Think about it.

If you took all the presidents of the United States and discovered (and I am just making up this example) that the first letter of each of their names in their proper chronological order read read: "The Leaders of America!" (19 letters)

What would you conclude?

That it was chance, or planned by some conspiracy of men, or by the providence of God?

And if some man said that it was only random chance, would you believe him just because he had some degree behind his name? Or would you allow common sense to tell you that it could not be chance? And yet the example that I have given you is greater than that, for the genealogy of Cains line (seven names) likewise reads: ""I will choose a circumcised people for myself (i.e., Jews), even (many) peoples for myself (i.e., Gentiles)."

That is a total of 26 names, the first names given in the bible. This would be like the presidential make-believe acrostic continuing and in full reading: "The Leaders of America who died!" (29 letters/names).

Would you still think it random?

How about if all 40 or whatever Presidents read like this? At what point will you believe?

True codes are like this. At some point even the skeptic becomes red faced by his own doubts.

One quick word about computers. Computers should not be given the credit. Most of the picture bible codes that I have found would not require a computer to find or verify, although I do use one at times, just like one uses a calculator rather than just pen and ink.

And the example of the acroctic that I have given you was discovered without the use of a computer in a matter of a few hours or so. God tells me where to look, and so I find. It is as simple as that.

I would just say, Shekel, that similar results can be achieved with any large book, that is not my opinion, but proven by scientists... I remember now the australian scientist, Brandon Frasier (sp?), he has demonstrated this abundantly... be careful in what you put your trust in. God gave us prophets to the church, they are a gift to us, I would put much higher trust in the prophecies of a mature prophet of Jesus Christ than in computer codes.

Caneman

You do not understand the claims of these scientists. Their claim is that there are billions of possiblities, and this is correct. But the acrostic that I showed you is not one chance in billions, but one chance in one. The acrostic begins from Adam! It is not like it begins anywhere at random in a string of names ten or twenty billion long. So you fail to understand both what that scientist was saying, or what I am saying. I do not say this to be unkind, but it is frustrating that you lightly put aside the glory of God by your misunderstanding of a scientist.

And the test of a prophet is whether or not what he says comes to pass. Have you read the Mene Tekel Bible Code?

Ooops, his name is not Brand Fraiser, but :

Scientific Refutation of the Bible Codes

by

Brendan McKay and Friends


There are several unrefuted studies arguing against the bible codes on his website here:

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html

He has published his work in major scientific journals... this is real science folks that refutes the bible codes, not some crack pot with an agenda!

Caneman

I think you should maybe read some on Shekel's code site, before you judge anything. Most on this forum that have been here some time, know that it is from God. Like Shekel said : Have you read the "Mene code?" Did you know that the Lord showed not only HOW Saddam would die but WHEN?

Read it ............
C

I hadn't heard about the patch..Is this your summation concerning it or did you get it off the Internet.

To me it could mean that Bush's eyes aren't fully open... But anyway..He let me down with rapture crapture. You just can't take back some words and thoughts. His track record is so so..But the thing that bothered me is that in order to hear what he spoke prophetically you had to buy the CD..I think he changed that but the combination of things made me lose interest.

I'm sorry Kim if your reading... But God is teaching me to hear for myself. Each person should get their own word from God personally without having to rely on others. The bible-codes are for a specific purpose and if you delve into the site you will find what that is.

Have you read professor Brendan McKay's material on the codes?

Read it....

You probably won't take the time to be open minded and objective enough to read his materials, but here is a summary of his position:

"What am I Claiming? The lesson to be drawn from this paper is clear enough. Anyone with the skill and the perseverance can make ELS experiments (bible codes) that seem to show remarkable results. In this paper we found a significance level well below 1/1000 from a single name and a single date (highly significant). Did it happen by chance? Yes!"

These are the results of just one of his experiments, he has debunked several of the leading bible code experts, and done several studies on his own, finding remarkably holy and astounding codes written in "War and Peace" and "Moby Dick".

Caneman

I have read the original paper by the statistical scientists that Mckay tried to debunk. Essentially she claims these men are liars and tweaked the results. But it is her who tweaked it to come out with her negative results.

But as for the idea that one can find about anything given enough random possibilities, well, I do not deny that. But we must be careful, for some things are impossible to reproduce by chance, no matter how long and how many chances are involved.

No other site on the internet has claimed that there are encoded images in the bible, and these images explain why the original experiment by those Jewish scientists occurred. Like words (synonyms) were statistically close to each other more than what the laws of probability would have it because there are images encoded in the bible composed composed of sentences and words that agree with each other and form images. This is why like words were found statistically closer to one another than the laws of chance should have had it.

While my work has gone unrecognized by the scientific community because I do not approach the bible like an unbeliever as they do, yet God has vindicated it over and over again, by countless fulfilled prophecies and miracles too numerous to recount. And another thing that sets my work aside from all the magicians out there with their snaky staffs is that every code is perfectly numerically flawless. Moreover, each image interweaves into all other images discovered like a Mosaic. No other so-called codes come close to meeting the criterion I insist on. For most codes (not all) on the internet are not codes at all, and this is what these people are rightly objecting too. Unfortunately, the true and the false get lumped together, just like true and false prophecy gets lumped together by the scientific community.

But I will ask one very profound question, a question God forced me to grapple with:

What if a profound long complicated code was one day found in some random book, what does that really prove?

That God did not put codes in the bible, or that God has encoded His glory every where?

In the end we are all forced to walk by faith. And God will not have it otherwise, as you earlier rightly and wisely said.

Please see http://www.bible-codes.org/why-genuine-men...n-riddles-2.htm


Also http://www.bible-codes.org/criterion-bible-code-prophecy.htm

Mene-Tekel Bible Code:

http://www.bible-codes.org/why-genuine-men...n-riddles-2.htm

I know that most of us can't be bothered in following a link that leads somewhere else, so here is the article that on my website: It lacks all the formating and the numerous links from nearly every line you read in order to get further information and examples, so if you want to read it as it is intended to look, and with its illustrations and links and images then click on the link!


http://www.bible-codes.org/why-genuine-men...n-riddles-2.htm

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Twenty Compelling Marks of Genuineness

Recommended flash visual
introduction to this Bible Code

On audio


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The appropriateness of where the bible code is embedded: It is found in a text that is in-and-of-itself a mysterious encryption, i.e., "The Writing on the Wall"! (Daniel.) This demonstrates that God does indeed reveal Himself, at times, in code;
and that if there are codes in the bible, this is the logical place to look.
Moreover, some obvious inferences from those words "mene," "tekel," and "parsin"
were left without interpretation; this strongly implies that there is still more
to this writing than what Daniel revealed. (See next for examples.)


The code answers what scholars have so long puzzled (concerning 'the writing on the wall'); namely, why 3 'coins' (i.e., mene, tekel, peres), but no mention of 'coins' in Daniel's own interpretation?
why was "mene" repeated twice on the wall, but interpreted as if written once?
why is Persia implied in the word "Peres", but not specifically identified in Daniel's interpretation?
Amazingly, the code itself asks, then answers, the first two riddles for us,
and expands on the third thereby answering it too!



The code of itself explains: Why it was encoded!
How it is to be decoded!
What the general reaction to the code would be!
And specifically, the name and reaction of the one who discovered it!



The bible code itself emphatically claims to be a divinely encrypted message, ("truly, truly"). In other words, the code speaks in the same style and manner as the actual surface text, when it records God's direct words.


Each line of code forms an acrostic summarizing what its parent code says! This models the main acrostic, formed from the original words: "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Uparsin," which in Hebrew spells, "The-One-putting-him-to-death." Amazingly, this phrase capsules Daniel's own interpretation of these same four words! The missing two (but allowable) 'mother-vowel' letters in the said acrostic
spell, "Jah," which means, "The Lord"---and thereby identifies
Who it is that is "putting him to death," and/or,
Who is being put to death! This holds the key to the thorny problem
of the textual insertions that occurred up until around the time of Christ.





The bible code contains numerous word-plays, adding a depth deeper than what mere imagination could induce! Two examples are: the Hebrew word for "banner" intends all four of its possible meanings---ultimately implying
the composite meaning of, "the banner of the cross!"
The strange phrase, "I will be divided/broken in half," becomes a prophetic word-play for,
"30 shekels of silver" (a divided-mina)---the very price of Jesus' betrayal!
The context further implies, 'the breaking of the bread/manna of His body'!



The code forms a picture of what it proclaims---and labels each picture accordingly!


Each pictogram reads at the proper location that is suitable to what it is saying. For example, if the code speaks about being 'exalted to the right hand'---then it reads thusly at the right hand side of the matrix!


There are other pictograms within the surrounding verses of Daniel 5:26-28 that agrees with, and enlarges upon, this mene-tekel code.


The bible code is a logical interpretation of the actual surface text in which it is embedded! It is not fanciful, but in accord with how the New Testament might also apply this text of Daniel 5 in the light of Christ, (Revelation 17-18).


The interpretation is both an accurate and deep revelation about Jesus Christ, (Revelation 1:1), consistent with the rest of the bible.


The message throughout the code finds many striking parallels to what God has said elsewhere in the plain Scriptures---especially as concerning Babylon! (Isaiah 13-14; Jer. 50-51; Revelation Note the mysterious cryptograms in the actual plain text of Jer. 25:26; 51:1,
which again proves that at times God speaks in codes.
Moreover, here, again, the theme is 'Babylon's fall'.



The book of Daniel itself speaks about a sealed message (Daniel 8:26; 9:20-27), sealed numbers (Daniel 12), and a mysterious "Son of Man" who unseals them (7:10-14)---all of which the mene-code addresses specifically! The code uses the same Hebrew word for "concealed,"
as found in the above references, three times.
One such example occurs plainly in the code,
as seen in the picture here. The top line reads:
"The one concealing them," (i.e., the words of the scroll.)
Backward, it reads: "The One putting him to death," Hence, together it means:
"The One concealing the words of the scroll is also the One who put Belshazzar to death."




This 'sealed message' was prophesied to be fulfilled after "1290" and "1335 days" (Daniel 12:11-12), which, as years, ended AD 2000---the year this code began to be opened, (Feb 4, 2000): I.e., the Babylonian empire (626 BC), + 1290 + 1335 years = AD 2000, etc.
Moreover, from the actual Writing on the Wall (and Babylon's fall) in the Autumn of
539 BC, until when this mene-tekel-code was published (i.e., 52 days before the fall
of the Twin Towers), there are seven years of years of the lunar calendar, (2539 years).
Recall that the previous chapter saw Nebachadnezzar driven mad for 7 years (2539 days),
then Daniel recounts that very incident to Belshazzar in chapter five of our code,
(Daniel 5:21). (See #17 for further fulfillment of this code!)



This 'sealed message' was to be opened "at the time of the end," (Daniel 8:17, 26; 12:9-12), when "knowledge and travel will be increased," such as we have today, (Daniel 12:4).


The bible code identifies modern "China" as, an eastern land,
known for its relegation of Christ's resurrection as myth,
all this, 2500 years before the rise of communism!



This code was accompanied by great and fearful signs: Public signs, such as the Twin-Tower tragedy.
Personal signs, such as the gift to speak in the Aramaic tongue---
the original language of Daniel 5---though never having learned it,
(1Cor. 12:10, cf., Isaiah 28:9-13).
The Towers fell exactly 720,000 days (2000 years of 360 days) after
Pentecost AD 30, when the Spirit was poured out and they spoke in
unlearned tongues (Acts 2)---thereby reversing the Tower of Babel
effect (of Genesis 11).
(UPDATE: Long after this document was written,
the mene-tekel code was fulfilled clearly, explicitly, and numerically,
rather than obscurely, as in the case of the Twin Towers.
Nevertheless, its fulfillment in the Babylon/Iraq war was
only a prototype of that great battle of Armageddon to come.
Hence, the code has yet future application of which
Saddam was just a token sign.)



The code foretells the name, circumstances, and unbelief of him who discovered it---while at the same time also correctly applying to the historical (doubting) "Thomas" of the New Testament. The word "Thomas" means "Twin;" hence, it hints at another beside the first "Thomas." This is mentioned only for the sake of grasping the validity of the code.
The code was discovered out of weakness, not strength;
nor did he set out to find himself in the codes---it just happened to be there.

The word "Thomas" also hints at the "Twin Tower" tragedy that came less than
two months after the release of this code.
This would be coincidental, if it were not for the many other parallels.



The internal numeric of the bible code is so powerful that this alone stands as sufficient proof, in my mind, of its divine origin. The numeric work in five independent ways:
ELS skips (e.g., 6-6-6---i.e., the mark of the beast of Babylon.)
Total value of the coins (e.g. 1260 x 2 gerahs---
i.e., the length of the kingdom of the beast.)
The number of coins (e.g., "[two] coins, coin, and half-a-coin"---
i.e., the length of the kingdom of the beast, "time, [two] times, and half-a-time.")
Gematria, i.e., letter value (e.g., equals 390, 430, 960---
i.e., the siege-lengths against Jerusalem, which foreshadowed Babylon's own demise.)
UPDATE: It was fulfilled following the biblical 1150 days (to Iraq war), 1260
(to Saddam's sons death), 1290 (to New York blackout), and 1335 (to Rome blackout), etc.
Not only does the code indicate these events, but amazingly, this very same sequence
of biblical numbers was providentially the theme of our other website called,
"The Writing on the Wall," before I even knew that there was a numerical code within the words
"mene-tekel-peres," in the writing on Babylon's palace wall! Also, the exact day when
the war began was also encoded! (And the death date of Saddam?)

( Update: This article, including the above in red, was written several years ago.
See update on Saddam's death. As it turned out, Saddam died exactly 1260 + 1260 days
after the code as suggested in the above! Note the above "value of the coins"!)


The mene-tekel code thematically ties-in with the other codes declared at this site. And these were found in other books of the Bible, yet by the same individual. How is it, then, that the same consistent theme of "the revealing of Jesus Christ" keeps popping up? These pictograms also numerically overlap one another into one composite message.

Note that all the picture-bible-codes at this site are common biblical symbols for 'revelation'---and specifically for "a revelation of Jesus Christ," as depicted in the book of Revelation. Therefore, the codes, properly understood, are simply interpreting this Book, which, in turn, is simply interpreting the rest of Scripture. And the theme of the book of Revelation is stated clearly at its opening verse: "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him/Him to show His servants the things which must soon take place," (Revelation 1:1).

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Saddam hangs on day predicted by Mene-Tekel Bible Code
http://www.bible-codes.org/letters-saddam-hang-prophecy.htm
(Response to an email. A fuller version is coming soon.)
(Dec. 30, 2006)

Shekel, I don't think you read all of Dr. McKay's work on his website. He took supposed "famous" bible codes and tried to recreate them unsuccessfully. Then he asked the authors of these bible codes to meet with him personally to reconstruct the codes and they could not do it successfully. Then Dr. McKay posed the same questions of many famous bible codes to "War and Peace" and "Moby Dick" and found similiar and creative answers. He even found "Jesus is Lord" and his own name and address in the same material using these code manipulations.... and it was all done by random chance! He published his results in a globally recognized academic magazine and it went unchallenged because of its sound anlysis and conclusions!

If you are confident your results are not due to random chance or by creative manipulation then why not submit them to Dr. McKay for analysis?

Caneman

Dear Shekel,

we are talking about the Living Word opening up in these
codes. because it is a living word, it is anointed by the Holy Spirit.

other codes may be found, elsewhere, and actually say something
however, the Living Word speaks, enfolds, magnifies, edifies, and
is capable of bringing deep understanding to God's word, and to
open up wisdom to His purposes. it also contains the spirit of
prophesy which is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

i don't believe there is any other book that can do this.

the Bible is the Word of God. other works can inspire and deposit
information to point in one direction or another...the Word of God
will only point to Jesus. it takes the Holy Spirit to discern this truth.

this is a gift for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. as
the opening of the seal of Daniel, we can expect more revelation
and signs and wonders that point to the coming of the Lord.

thank you for your faithfulness to bring your relationship with
the Lord and His messages through these codes to us. truly it is
a prophetic work. may you be blessed with increased wisdom
and understanding.

blessings,
signet

To find "Jesus is Lord" is very easy. Of course it might be simply random chance. To not find it in any book of that size would be a miracle. The law of averages would have it that way. But what if it read, "Jesus of Nazereth is Lord and Saviour and king of kings!"

Do you see what I mean?

There comes a point when the line is crossed beyond mere random chance. And such are the picture codes that I have discovered by the gift of God given me, and according to His grace.

Yes, you are right. God surely reserves His highest glory for the written Word of God. And He sets His approval upon it above all other writings as you have said.

Some new prophecy from Kim Clement (excerpts)-

November 10, 2007

I will bring a surprise upon this Nation beginning in the month of February, so unusual, for you see as I spoke that there is a door that has been opened, a big surprise. Not even the prophets know about it but they know the day and the time but have been veiled from this final conclusion in the battle against the beast of the East. For God said surprises, February surprises in the month that I will do something between India, Pakistan, Israel and the Lion Nations, says the Lord. On August the 15th, 1947, India was liberated - the same time Pakistan. And the Spirit of God said I shall do something so so unusual in this following year but I will wait for My Israel to celebrate.

November 18, 2007

America you shall reign in victory!

America you are at a place now where men are laughing, but God says the greatest place ever. The greatest opportunity has been granted now for Me to invade the media and to show you how when you choose My president. I will place a man there that shall have no inclination towards spiritual things and many a Christian shall say alas we have a Democrat who is actually a Republican. God says fear not for it shall be a while and then in the seat I will take him and fill him with My Spirit. He shall rise to the occasion and begin to pray and peace shall come to this nation, respect and honor shall come to this nation. A move of My Spirit as this nation has never seen for the harvest you have been waiting for shall come.

http://www.kimclement.com/words/2007/07-1118.html

Somebody said it ws Rudy...I don't know.

I suppose that means that you have chosen to ignore Dr. McKay's work, which has not yet been disproven. He also has a good paper discussing how "flexible" the meanings of hebrew letters can be, allowing for multiple interpretations. These codes are similar dream interpretation, you can start to see almost whatever you want in them. I am sure you could find just about anything in a book that is sizeable enough if you really wanted to and had a good enough imagination! These bible codes are like Nostrodamus, there are so many that are meaningless and the ones that are supposed to be meaningful are only so in hind sight... if this was really from God why wouldn't all the bible codes have predictive meaning, why are there so many false positives? If bible codes were OT prophets they would have been stoned a long time ago. Sorry, I just don't buy in to it, even a stopped clock is right twice per day.

Again, if you think your work is not by random chance then submit it to Dr. McKay for analysis, if he can duplicate your work and compare it to other books and not find your code then it would be convincing, otherwise, well, I guess we can believe whatever we want regarding the bible codes.

Caneman

I forgot to add that KC prophesied Sadam would be caught and described his hiding hole, and he prophesied Katrina, and 911. These prophesies were all documented before they occured.

Caneman

Note: I haven't read this thread! HMMm. Don't know if I should post this here???

December 8, 2007

KIM CLEMENT:

"GOD HAS GIVEN US A BEAUTIFUL PROMISE FOR THIS CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR!"

"As we enter this season of celebration of God's greatest gift to humanity, remember that we are entering the greatest season ever and there is an open door, which means an open Heaven."

Understanding God's Language

Count Basie, the great jazz artist, said, "Everyone prays in their own language. There is no language that God doesn't understand." I personally believe there is a language that God has given to mankind in order for us to communicate freely with Him. In this day and age, we have so many different forms of non-verbal communication, oftentimes preventing eye contact and direct confrontation. Instant messaging, text messaging and email to mention a few, are great to use when a message needs to be sent, but not a wise choice to carry on an intelligent conversation.

God loves it when we use the various languages that He gives us to communicate with Him: faith, passion, love, praise, worship, silence, and the list goes on. We try to communicate to God using our finest articulating skills, hoping to impress Him. But after realizing that our words simply fall to the ground because our hearts are disengaged, we feel less than perfect and even worse, we pull away from God.

John Fisher wrote: "A good man is not a perfect man; a good man is an honest man, faithful and unhesitatingly responsive to the voice of God in his life."

Perfection--who asked for it? Who wants it? Faith is not faith without unbelief. Doubt is an unavoidable part of belief. Doubt isn't the opposite of faith; it is an element of faith. In Genesis 11, men tried to do something that God did not want. They started building upward into Heaven when God in fact wanted them to spread out horizontally throughout the earth. Today we find mankind, especially Christians, trying to do the same thing: avoid the connection with earth and fly away to an ethereal world created through our poetic imagination. What God did in Genesis 11 was an easy solution to the problem. He confounded their language and gave them languages. He never removed their imagination, which was apparently one of the causes of the problem.

God evaluates the problem in Genesis 11:6, "And the Lord said, 'Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they imagine to do will be withheld from them.'"

In other words, whatever they imagine to do, they will succeed in doing. The power of the imagination was crippled without the ability to vocalize it clearly to each other. Once this happened, they scattered and went where they were supposed to go--to the uttermost parts of the earth. Genesis 1:28 says, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish, birds and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Without God's voice directing us, we are lost because we never know what is on His mind. We have become a people that prefer to "text message" God--to avoid spending time with the real true Being. We are at a distance and so we feel safe, but are we really? God's voice brings ultimate fulfillment. We were born with the desire to have spiritual fulfillment and if it is not present in our lives, we will find fulfillment elsewhere and there will always be a constant vacuum in our lives.

CS Lewis wrote: "Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. A baby feels hunger; well there is such a thing as food; a duckling wants to swim; well there is such a thing as water, etc. If I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."

We are no longer primitive. Now the whole world seems "not holy." Humanity has moved from Pantheism to pan-atheism. Pan-atheism is the belief that because there is no God, nothing can be properly termed sacred or holy. It is hard to desecrate a grove and change your mind. Humanity has doused the burning bush and cannot rekindle it. They are lighting matches in vain under every green tree. Was there a time when the wind would cry out His praise or the hills would shout and extol Him?

The Elements Communicate

Recently, God has used me to give prophetic words regarding the elements in relation to His voice and His plans. The wind, rain, fires and earthquakes are all used in the prophetic communication to direct His people and as signs for things to come. Most of the time, we are at odds with the weather and see it as a commotion resulting from weather patterns, etc. I believe that wherever there is motion, there is a greater force behind it--a voice. In other words, wherever there is motion--a voice exists. We think that any motion, including commotion, is simply a reaction to our actions.

But could it be that God still speaks from the whirlwind? When will we recognize that His voice may be in the fire or the earth? The earth also has a voice, but that is not how God intended it to be. Because we have not stepped into the dominion that God originally gave Adam and have not carried the Voice to speak and command, the earth has been forced to cry out. God's voice is in the earth, the trees, the stones, etc., but the fact is that His ultimate desire is to speak through man, not the elements.

God gave us the Voice back when He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to put life back into lifeless things, including us. He spoke to a fig tree and there was motion. He commanded the wind and there was a change of position. Motion is the process of moving and changing place or position. He was removing death out of the things of the earth with His voice, so that mankind could have dominion; and instead of the elements constantly changing our place or position, God's voice should be directly guiding us. There came a point where Elijah, the great prophet, had to face the fact that in his darkest hour, the wind, earthquake and fire brought no direction from God (1 Kings 19:11-13). He heard something, which the Bible describes as the "still, small voice," which caused motion.

Jesus instructed us to use our faith, and to speak to the mountain to remove it, if necessary. He dealt with the earth, the LIVING things on the earth including the fish, water, wind and trees, and even received the dove as the form taken on by the Holy Spirit to rest upon Him (Matthew 3:16). He commanded Peter to find his tax money in the mouth of a fish, and after Peter cast his net into the vast waters, he discovered a fish with a coin in its mouth (Matthew 17:27). Christ is the Word and He brought the mind of God with Him to the earth. But the most beautiful thing about it is that He transferred the Word into us so that we could be the Voice to anything dying or lifeless.

YOU have the Voice inside of you. You have the ability to hear God directly. Don't let the rocks out praise you. You have God-given dominion over the things of the earth to speak life to the lifeless. Christ came to this earth to be life to the lifeless, hope to the hopeless, and a friend to the friendless.

As we enter this season of celebration of God's greatest gift to humanity, remember that we are entering the greatest season ever and there is an open door, which means an open Heaven. God has given us a beautiful promise for this Christmas and New Year--a promise for our Nation and our families.

Word Prophesied on July 29, 2007--Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

The Spirit of God says, "I've planned a great Christmas for My people. It will be a Christmas that you'll understand where I'm taking you to in this land. The flag will fly, and men will sigh, and they will know that I am here in this land. For Christmas will be the time that I will come and show you something new. There will be miracles on every street, there will be miracles in every family, and if you look for Me, you'll find Me there. There will be miracles for every family. You will see the sign upon the tree. It will bring them together as one because of Me."

"Strongholds and forces of hell who would try and detune the pleasurable sounds of Christmas--this prophet prophesies, 'Nothing shall be successful in your attempt to bring blood over the Christmas season!' The only blood that they shall know about is the Blood of My Son," says the Spirit of the Lord. "There will be a miracle on every street. I have a miracle in every family. If you open up your eyes, you'll find Me there. There will be joy to the world. The faithful will come. Silent night will bear His only Son. I'll be there in the songs. Watch Me on the TV."

"There are so many changes coming for 2008." For God says, "The season of 2008 will bring about families being united, prisoners being freed, and drug addicts, alcoholics, atheists, and agnostics suddenly getting a glimpse of something they don't really know and cannot pronounce nor interpret--but it is Me," says the Lord. "This building is one of many that I will raise up for media."

"When I raise up the President of the United States and fill him with My Spirit, there shall be unusual happenings taking place in America. They shall say, 'Why are these unusual miracles transpiring only in certain places?'" God says, "Because if you cannot see water in the rock, your striking is in vain. If you cannot see water in the rock, your speaking is in vain. You must see what I have just pronounced today."

A Letter of Gratitude

I would like to share something personal with you that really touched me. For almost a year now, my wife Jane and I have been sowing personally and from our ministry into the people of my native land, South Africa. I've attached a letter of gratitude that I received recently from my dear friends that assist me in distributing these gifts, and I hope you are encouraged as you read it, knowing you are also a part of this as you support our ministry.

"Dear Kim,

This letter serves to express my deepest gratitude for your generous donations, which enables us to meet many needs in our country. The most recent recipient is Mbali. Mbali, a 40-year-old mother of three, had to resign as a teacher due to sudden kidney failure. She has been receiving dialysis twice a week since 2004, whilst waiting for a 'miracle'--a compatible kidney. Mbali has no siblings and as her children are underage, they are not allowed to donate an organ. By some miracle working power, Mbali's husband proved to have a perfect match in his body--his kidney is compatible! However, the cost of having the transplant is exceptionally high and way out of their reach. Last year, the couple went on national television with their plight--to no avail. We inserted an appeal for donations towards this cause in our school newsletter. This too proved fruitless. We are most concerned as Mbali's veins are collapsing from the constant needles. Nevertheless, the couple continued to put their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. After our visit to America in November 2006, you began to send finances to be used for the many needs that we come across. Mbali's plight, incidentally her English name is Kim, was high on the list of those who were desperate for help. It is now eight months later and we have sufficient funds for the kidney transplant!

As you are aware from the correspondence received from some of the residents of the old age home, your generous donations have been put to good use. To date, some of the finances you have sent have been used to purchase desperately needed toasters, kettles, hotplates, blankets and linen for the rooms of many residents. Many residents have been able to get necessary medication and medical treatment for their ailments. Several can now see private doctors; one case springs to mind. A resident, who is a diabetic, needed to have two gangrenous toes removed. Without your generosity, I don't know what would have happened to her as her pension barely covers the expense of her room. There are so many cases like this. Another resident was able to purchase the pills she needed to control the epilepsy from which she suffers.

I recall at the Christmas Carol service evening in December, as many as ten old people squashed around a table meant for three at the most. I also recall noticing chairs which were about to break. (What broke my heart was that so many people appeared to need reading glasses as they squinted to see the words, which were written on a hand-out). From the finances you have sent to date, this room has been furnished with extra tables and chairs, broken chairs have been mended, curtains have been made, and a few pictures have been purchased. This has completely transformed the room, and the residents are now beginning to regain their sense of pride. Our future plan is to have every resident's eyes tested and to purchase glasses for those who need them. The next big project is to provide a library in an unused room.

With some of the money you have sent, tickets have been purchased for the residents to have an outing--a VERY rare occasion. They will be attending a musical evening and will each be given a 'goodie box.' This is a great highlight in their lives and has caused great excitement--for this, we thank you.

The Lord clearly states we are to assist widows and orphans. Although not orphaned, a little girl we know has just lost her 35-year-old father to leukemia. Within a week of the diagnosis, he had died, leaving a young widow who really needs two salaries to survive. From your most recent donation to the people of South Africa, we plan to buy this child uniforms, stationary and books (she is due to start school in January), and plan to assist her in the payment of school fees.

I speak on behalf of all the above people as I thank you and the Lord for the blessing you have been, and continue to be to the people of South Africa. You have certainly touched lives and have given comfort and hope to many." --Love, Edwina

I want to encourage you to give as God gave so beautifully to us during this Christmas season, and I want you to believe God for the greatest year EVER! As He gave us His only Son, let us give back and also sow into His word and seal the promise that He gave us for a: VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Merry Christmas,

Kim and Jane Clement

A recent prophecy from KC:

"Now I tell you a mystery again, there is a change, in the atmosphere, in the political arena. For God said the enemy has chosen his one and I have chosen. This is not a day where men can vote, this is a day when God instates men into the Oval Office. There shall be a Vice President that shall be second to none, that shall take over the land. God says hear the mystery of God, you shall not be afraid, you shall not say Democrat, Republican, Independent or what else. "[color=#6666CC]


In a prophecy a few months ago, Kim alluded to Rudy ending up in the white house (not by name, but it was pretty obvious who he was talking about), but I'm not sure if he said he was going to be the president.... only that he was going to be in the white house. Putting all the prophecies from Kim that I've read together and tying them with current events.... my guess is that McCain is going to be the next president and Rudy is going to the be Vice President...

Another possibility is that Rudy takes over as president due to McCain not being able to, due to health reasons or something worse.... that would explain the "second to none" part.

one other possibility is that kim is full of bunk...if you know anything bout presidential politics, you know that mccain will pick a conservative running mate to unify the party...it will not be a proabortion rudy....mccain has already said he wants to hurry up and start unifying the party...the reason it is split is because the conservative base is either siding with Huck (Christian conservatives for the most part) and the fiscal conservs are with Romney (for the most part)...mccain is viewed as a liberal (or moderate) by most conservatives...to unify, he must pick a conservative...rudy is seen as conservative on taxes and military but liberal on social issues...picking him would not unify the party...

however a case could be made that he picks rudy in hopes of stealing NY from billary...again not very likely but if mccain is really dumb, he may just say, forget the conservatives, im running independant and trying to win some typical blue states...political suicide if you ask me...

plus one would then have to ignore what mccain is actually saying...he is talking like he will pick a conservative running mate...so either mccain is lying or kim is wrong...i dont like mccain, but i think he wants to win and i think he knows his best chance is to unify the party..my guess is kim is wrong

ambiguous...could mean a lot of things...perhaps this is why he is calling it a mystery...

Perhaps there won't be an election.

Kim's flesh is attached to his prophecies...we must circumcise constantly with him.

Kim Clement April 13, 2003- Humble, TX;

QUOTE:
“Do I hear Catholics praying? There is a move of My Spirit moving among the Catholic people. They are dissatisfied. Their children have been abused…taken advantage of. They are praying for God to come into a system and shake it. Your prayers are being sent into the very highest powers of the Roman Catholic Church. For a Pope shall be laid to rest, and I will raise up an unusual man that will take that position. And even though some of you despise this, I will raise up an unusual man that will come in and bring the Spirit of God amongst the Roman Catholic people. Think it not possible, but it shall be so, says the spirit of the Lord..."

Who are the "very highest powers of the Roman Catholic Church"?

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/kolvenbach.htm

With McCain's recent comments about this matter (about not having to pick a running mate that appeals more towards conservative red states), it looks more and more like it could be strong possibility that McCain doesn't select someone from the conservative Right. Hillary and Obama are probably going to be President/Vice President (not neccessarily in that order)....... And McCain is going to have to counter that matchup. The perfect person, I think, is definitely Rudy. With the political climate the way it is now, more voters are shifting towards the center and shying away from the Right.. The McCain/Giuliani combo is the ONLY chance the Republicans have against Clinton/Obama.

When you feel anger, or disappointment, as we all do sometimes, just... sit down and take a refreshing drink while reading "Sermon of the Mountain", Jesus's first!
It will greatly help you see through your confusion.

It will help you shake off political burdens...
It will help you shake off the USA, Russia and China alike...
It will wash away your anger and your disappointments....
It will replenish your energy, compass and determination....
It will help you get back to basics, the FOUNDATION....

Something I noticed, when God sent His chosen people in Egypt, it was by decree of Pharoah that they were
freed from physical bondage.

When the children of God were sent into captivity in Babylon (religious bondage) Cyrus the king of Babylon gave the decree to go and rebuild the wall of Jerusalem.

Jesus was handed over to the Romans thus ending the time of the Jews (Mark 1) and began the times of the gentiles. Jesus must make an end to the times of the gentiles...Jesus would return as a Christian and inward Jew and
I wouldn't be surprised.

In 2000 the king of Babylon the great decreed a great Jubilee (year of release) of 40 jubilees (40 x 50 years)since Jesus was born.

They were 40 years in the wilderness like the world was 40 Jubilees in the wilderness under the king of Babylon.

I expect 2 things, like the Jewish Jesus came out of Judaism were apostasy was at an all time high in the temple.
And, like His people, Jesus was sent into Egypt to save His life (like Jacob went to Joseph).

Jesus was then sent into Babylon (given to Rome) by God's will like His people.

So Jesus would walk the earth to rebuild the wall of New Jerusalem on earth and I wouldn't be surprised that He be revealed after His works (like Joseph was hidden until an appointed time).

All eyes will see Jesus no doubt but I sense He will be on earth for a while before He is revealed to the world.
Like the first time He came....