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Stephen
It's Iran vs. Israel
Thursday's terrorist attack in Jerusalem in which eight seminary students were killed by a Palestinian gunman, and the latest fighting between between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, are more than new chapters in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: They are part of a much larger struggle underway between Iran and Israel. As crowds took to the streets of Gaza celebrating the carnage in Jerusalem, Hamas issued a statement declaring that it "blesses" the operation. The Iranian-backed Hezbollah's al-Manar television station called the massacre at the yeshiva a "heroic" operation against an "extremist" school.

Iran and Syria have long been the major arms suppliers for Hamas. A senior Israeli military intelligence official said Monday that all of the 20 long-range rockets that had been fired from Gaza into Israel since Feb. 28 were Iranian-made Grads, which have a range of approximately 12.5 miles. Hamas and another Iranian-backed group called the Popular Resistance Committees have said they have upwards of 300 of the missiles in Gaza.

Iran has spent, conservatively speaking, tens of millions of dollars in helping to turn Gaza into an armed camp since Israel unilaterally withdrew its civilians and soldiers from Gaza in 2005. Dozens if not hundreds of Gazans have left the territory in recent years to undergo military training in Iran. Afterward, these men are smuggled back into Gaza to join Hamas and such terrorist organizations as Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which routinely fire rockets and missiles into Israel. These groups, aided by Iranian agents and Hezbollah trainers, have stepped up weapons smuggling since Jan. 23, when Hamas destroyed part of the border fence with Egypt. During the ensuing chaos, an estimated 200,000 Gazans poured into Egypt. Some crossed the border to obtain foodstuffs and other household items, but others were jihadists who left Gaza and crossed into Egypt with the hope of arming themselves and re-entering the unguarded Sinai border with Israel.

The parts were smuggled into Gaza, then reassembled. And the situation will likely get more dangerous in the coming months, as Hamas, with Iranian help, works to extend the range of the rockets.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has come under intensified pressure to take military action. Earlier this week, Israel launched several days of operations against rocket launchers in Gaza. Several days ago, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose government has been fomenting the Gaza-Israel violence, accused Israel of perpetrating a "Holocaust" in Gaza. Those are strong words coming from a Mideast leader who questions whether the Nazis perpetrated the Holocaust.

Israel decides to take advantage of Thursday's bloody terror attack in Jerusalem in order to launch aggressive campaign against Hamas

Israel has decided to take advantage of Thursday's bloody terror attack in Jerusalem in order to launch an aggressive campaign against Hamas.

Yedioth Ahronoth has learned that the political echelon instructed the Government Press Office to distribute the shocking images from the yeshiva shooting worldwide, including pictures of holy books perforated with bullets, a blood-stained praying shawl and the terrorist's body inside the yeshiva.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni decided that the Foreign Ministry would work to convey the Israeli messages to the international community.

Livni spoke to a large number of foreign ministers and expressed the State of Israel's abhorrence over the deadly attack.

A sources in the Prime Minister's Office said Thursday, "There is a direct link between this terror attack and the ongoing rocket fire and attacks against IDF soldiers in the south. It's the same motivation and the same organizations.

"The Palestinians will stop at nothing in their attempts to target innocent people. This time they intentionally hurt young students studying Torah at a rabbinical seminary."

Israeli officials harshly condemned the celebrations in the Gaza Strip following the reports on the Jerusalem attack. "This proves once again the human low points Hamas is capable of."

Iraq's president says he wants a "strategic" partnership with Turkey, including getting the neighboring nation's businesses to invest in his oil-rich but war-torn country.

Jalal Talabani made the comments Saturday while wrapping up a visit aimed at easing the tension sparked by Turkey's eight-day military incursion against Kurdish rebels inside Iraq.

Talabani, himself a Kurd, says Iraq wants "to forge strategic relations in all fields including oil, the economy, trade, culture and politics with Turkey."

Talabani arrived in Turkey on Friday, about a week after the Turkish military ended its offensive against the separatist rebels.

The rebels -- who seek autonomy for Kurds in Turkey's southeast -- have often launched attacks on Turkey from bases in northern Iraq.


Ezekiel
38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

38:5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
totwtorn
These verses maybe linked to the 3 leaders that Israel is facing today, I am not sure. Also verse 15 reminds me of the Blessed hope, rapture, 2nd coming.




Revelations 16 12-16.


12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three evil [a] spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

15 "Look, I come like a thief! Blessed are those who stay awake and keep their clothes on, so that they may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."

16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.


Stephen
totwtorn,

"15 "Look, I come like a thief! Blessed are those who stay awake and keep their clothes on, so that they may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."

This [parenthetical] comment could be the Lord's warning about being ready for His "harpazo" action. It may also be a warning that one needs to be ready before the beginning of His hour of trial [the tribulation period] so that they do not get caught in the process. I believe this is a side comment that He inserts as He unfolds His revelation of the period. It is like describing a time of judgment and then toward the end of the presentation, the warning is repeated so that one can avoid the coming judgment.
benny balerio
QUOTE (Stephen @ Mar 8 2008, 11:46 AM) *
It's Iran vs. Israel
Thursday's terrorist attack in Jerusalem in which eight seminary students were killed by a Palestinian gunman, and the latest fighting between between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, are more than new chapters in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: They are part of a much larger struggle underway between Iran and Israel. As crowds took to the streets of Gaza celebrating the carnage in Jerusalem, Hamas issued a statement declaring that it "blesses" the operation. The Iranian-backed Hezbollah's al-Manar television station called the massacre at the yeshiva a "heroic" operation against an "extremist" school.

Iran and Syria have long been the major arms suppliers for Hamas. A senior Israeli military intelligence official said Monday that all of the 20 long-range rockets that had been fired from Gaza into Israel since Feb. 28 were Iranian-made Grads, which have a range of approximately 12.5 miles. Hamas and another Iranian-backed group called the Popular Resistance Committees have said they have upwards of 300 of the missiles in Gaza.

Iran has spent, conservatively speaking, tens of millions of dollars in helping to turn Gaza into an armed camp since Israel unilaterally withdrew its civilians and soldiers from Gaza in 2005. Dozens if not hundreds of Gazans have left the territory in recent years to undergo military training in Iran. Afterward, these men are smuggled back into Gaza to join Hamas and such terrorist organizations as Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which routinely fire rockets and missiles into Israel. These groups, aided by Iranian agents and Hezbollah trainers, have stepped up weapons smuggling since Jan. 23, when Hamas destroyed part of the border fence with Egypt. During the ensuing chaos, an estimated 200,000 Gazans poured into Egypt. Some crossed the border to obtain foodstuffs and other household items, but others were jihadists who left Gaza and crossed into Egypt with the hope of arming themselves and re-entering the unguarded Sinai border with Israel.

The parts were smuggled into Gaza, then reassembled. And the situation will likely get more dangerous in the coming months, as Hamas, with Iranian help, works to extend the range of the rockets.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has come under intensified pressure to take military action. Earlier this week, Israel launched several days of operations against rocket launchers in Gaza. Several days ago, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose government has been fomenting the Gaza-Israel violence, accused Israel of perpetrating a "Holocaust" in Gaza. Those are strong words coming from a Mideast leader who questions whether the Nazis perpetrated the Holocaust.

Israel decides to take advantage of Thursday's bloody terror attack in Jerusalem in order to launch aggressive campaign against Hamas

Israel has decided to take advantage of Thursday's bloody terror attack in Jerusalem in order to launch an aggressive campaign against Hamas.

Yedioth Ahronoth has learned that the political echelon instructed the Government Press Office to distribute the shocking images from the yeshiva shooting worldwide, including pictures of holy books perforated with bullets, a blood-stained praying shawl and the terrorist's body inside the yeshiva.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni decided that the Foreign Ministry would work to convey the Israeli messages to the international community.

Livni spoke to a large number of foreign ministers and expressed the State of Israel's abhorrence over the deadly attack.

A sources in the Prime Minister's Office said Thursday, "There is a direct link between this terror attack and the ongoing rocket fire and attacks against IDF soldiers in the south. It's the same motivation and the same organizations.

"The Palestinians will stop at nothing in their attempts to target innocent people. This time they intentionally hurt young students studying Torah at a rabbinical seminary."

Israeli officials harshly condemned the celebrations in the Gaza Strip following the reports on the Jerusalem attack. "This proves once again the human low points Hamas is capable of."

Iraq's president says he wants a "strategic" partnership with Turkey, including getting the neighboring nation's businesses to invest in his oil-rich but war-torn country.

Jalal Talabani made the comments Saturday while wrapping up a visit aimed at easing the tension sparked by Turkey's eight-day military incursion against Kurdish rebels inside Iraq.

Talabani, himself a Kurd, says Iraq wants "to forge strategic relations in all fields including oil, the economy, trade, culture and politics with Turkey."

Talabani arrived in Turkey on Friday, about a week after the Turkish military ended its offensive against the separatist rebels.

The rebels -- who seek autonomy for Kurds in Turkey's southeast -- have often launched attacks on Turkey from bases in northern Iraq.


Ezekiel
38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

38:5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

Iraq's president says he wants a "strategic" partnership with Turkey, including getting the neighboring nation's businesses to invest in his oil-rich but war-torn country.
That statement makes me wonder if Irag will join Iran, turkey and russia in the Ezekial 38 attack against Israel......when I look at the maps of ancient persia....I notice that Irag's land mass was a part of persia..............................................benny cool.gif
Stephen
Benny,

What I would suggest watching is Iran's president and his ambitions toward Iraq. I am speculating about this, but he may be a candidate for the little horn [he may only be one of the other 10 .... or he may not even be in the scope at the time of the end when it comes]. Ezekiel's picture of the matrix is Middle East centered and is described by the ancient names of the population centers of the past. Even the Land of Magog was a place south of Mount Ararat in ancient times [northern Iraq]. This area was later displaced by the Assyrians who ruled the area for 1800 years .... then came neo-Babylonian, Persian, and northern Greek [Syrio-Babylonia; this area included much of the northern sector of the Middle East; Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran]. I believe it is this same core area of the northern Middle East where the little horn will rise at the time of the end. He is called the "Assyrian" in several of the visions related to period.

Because of this, I would say that Russia will be one of his victims. I believe that the scriptures place the little horn's origin in the northern Middle East. He will then expand it to include most of the region by conquering and by forming alliances there. He will conquer Israel and add the territory to his dominion as well. His ambitions will be opposed by outside nations from the south, the far east, and far north; but he will quickly destroy them. All of these directional vectors of those who will come aginst him are recorded in scripture except from the west. I believe this is because he and his 10 other cohorts will have already destroyed MBG's "great city" of the west [possibly representative of a great nation, or connected nations] at the onset of the tribulation period. Ezekiel and Daniel's visions are focused primarily upon his conquering of the Middle East proper, after the "great city" is incapable of opposing him, and his dealing with other opposing nations. I do believe that the visions view this matrix, but I am speculating about the players to an extent. This will all become apparent as we move closer to the time appointed.
Mercy
Who has the guts to speak the Truth?

Where are the institutions of peace? Pope? UN?
Keep silent and shiver in yer wealthy chairs?
If this deafening silence remains,
it is clear what the future holds: silence.

It seems to me that
the bigger the wealth
the bigger the mouth
the bigger the greed
the bigger the hate
the more there is a need
to replace these institutions
by the Kingdom of God.

Anyone who can not see now,
never will. For even
a blind man sees more
than those in charge.
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