Attack will be seen in Messianic terms
Amir Mizroch , THE JERUSALEM POST Mar. 7, 2008
While defense establishment officials sitting in the Kiriya military headquarters in Tel-Aviv ponder the diplomatic-security implications of last night's attack, a totally different analysis will be taking place this weekend around Shabbat dinner tables across Jerusalem and most West Bank settlements.
The people directly affected by the deadly terrorist attack on the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva are not just the students, their relatives and friends, but the much wider larger segment of the religious Zionist public. This segment of the population, already seething with anger, which started with the Disengagement in 2005, the Amona pullout, the government promises to America remove illegal outposts, the continued diplomatic process launched at Annapolis and its emphasis to talk about all topics, including Jerusalem, is going to be extremely unhappy about this attack. Together with the grief and sorrow, there is going to be a lot of angry talk about good and evil, about a religious war over the Holy Land.
This attack was aimed specifically for the religious Zionist and settler population, and the terrorists knew that by speaking in this language, to these people, their message could only be interpreted in one way. This will be seen in terms of Ishmael and Isaac.
Being messianic religious people, the religious Zionists are going to see this attack through the prism of messianic prophecy. Already I am hearing on religious Zionist radio stations people talking about the attack in prophetic terms, such as Isaiah 59 verse 20: And a redeemer will come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.
Settler radio talk- show hosts are interpreting this prophecy by saying that if the Jews don't stop Hamas, the Palestinians, Hizbullah and any other Islamic fundamentalists God will force the Jews to do it. The talk-show hosts blame Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and President Shimon Peres, and several callers into the broadcasts are unanimous in their condemnation of the Israeli government and calling on its removal.
The fact that the Foreign Ministry has already come out with a formal statement saying the attack won't derail the talks with the Palestinian Authority will only fuel the anger of the settler population this weekend. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the Knesset from Sunday and the implications on the coalition. Shas will come under immense pressure to bolt the government.
At the funeral procession speeches Friday at the Yeshiva, Chief Sephardic Rabbi Shlomo Amar began his comments with the Psalm for Assaf: "They have spilled blood like water around Jerusalem."
Many of the top leadership of the religious Zionist movement, speaking at the funerals, spoke of revenge of the blood. The fact that the Jewish students were killed in a house of God touched the most basic nerve of many Israelis, and especially of the religious Zionist public.
The rabbis called on the students not to carry out acts of revenge, saying that judgment is in God's realm. "God's vengeance will come swiftly," Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu's secretary cried out in his rabbi's name. The eulogists also praised the deceased for their studiousness and deep connection to Torah and entreated those in attendance not to falter in their study of the sacred writ.
Very few people outside the religious Zionist population have even heard of Mercaz Harav, let alone know somebody who studies there. This was not an attack aimed at the wider Israeli public, but a strategic attack against a very vocal public who will be demanding action of the government. There may even be some on the fringes of the settlement movement who will want to take the law into their own hands and carry out a revenge attack, maybe even against targets in East Jerusalem, where it looks like the killer came from.
The fact that the attack was carried out in the way it was - live fire, chasing down the students and shooting them at point blank range, as well as confirming the kills - and not by a suicide bombing, will add to the sense of brutality, of the narrative of good versus evil.
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Am I understanding that they believe this attack was political to get the people in Isreal to react?
who did this attack? Was it the muslims? Was it someone else?
who did this attack? Was it the muslims? Was it someone else?
Miche,
My understanding is that it was a revenge attack by a Palestianian gunman for Israel's recent incursion into Gaza. Another eye for an eye action. Hard to tell exactly. I would have to guess Islamic yes, but who and just what the objectives were may not be seen on the surface. Do you have any additional information along the line of your thought? I doubt that Israel needs many excuses or reasons to respond because these rocket attacks go on all of the time, but the current government does seem to be apprehensive about military actions which Israel could certainly carry out on a massive scale.
My understanding is that it was a revenge attack by a Palestianian gunman for Israel's recent incursion into Gaza. Another eye for an eye action. Hard to tell exactly. I would have to guess Islamic yes, but who and just what the objectives were may not be seen on the surface. Do you have any additional information along the line of your thought? I doubt that Israel needs many excuses or reasons to respond because these rocket attacks go on all of the time, but the current government does seem to be apprehensive about military actions which Israel could certainly carry out on a massive scale.
I pray Father revenges this out of anger but this is my flesh. I wish this would stop. These are our brothers and sister over their being murdered. Why are we not letting our Government know we will not allow this, that they must help. This is not only our family but our strongest ally for a great distant in any direction and the only democracy in the region.
If this happened to anyone else everyone would be all over this. My how the lord has clouded the minds for his unknown ways. They are so hard to grasp but make perfect since when you just simply have faith. Tough business. The great thing is we know the end result so no reason to worry over the war, but it is just to hard to to feel the sting of loss in this battle.
I hope to see alot more responses to this topic out of concern and grief.
If this happened to anyone else everyone would be all over this. My how the lord has clouded the minds for his unknown ways. They are so hard to grasp but make perfect since when you just simply have faith. Tough business. The great thing is we know the end result so no reason to worry over the war, but it is just to hard to to feel the sting of loss in this battle.
I hope to see alot more responses to this topic out of concern and grief.
ETC,
We will keep up the perspective concerning Israel. There are those on this form who know the scriptures regarding Israel and its significance.
Does the Lord know about and will He deal with this issue? Already written.
Psalms
83:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
83:2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
83:8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
83:9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
83:10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
83:11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
83:12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
83:13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
83:14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
83:16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
83:17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
We will keep up the perspective concerning Israel. There are those on this form who know the scriptures regarding Israel and its significance.
Does the Lord know about and will He deal with this issue? Already written.
Psalms
83:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
83:2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
83:8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
83:9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
83:10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
83:11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
83:12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
83:13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
83:14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
83:16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
83:17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
I am absolutely horrified by what is happening.
I'm praying...Oh Lord please hurry.
I'm praying...Oh Lord please hurry.
Now I know why I saw Gaza filled with burnt meat, rows without end.
Somebody needs to get the bug spray
Just point out the flies, the swatter is ready for use.
You really do not want me to do that ..... but I might
Stephen..stop.
RG,
I do not appreciate those who troll posts that much time and effort has been applied to create with snide remarks as I have observed and I will deal with this issue as I see fit. Neither do I like the Lord's Word to be diminished by diversion intentionally, or unintentionally .... thank you.
I do not appreciate those who troll posts that much time and effort has been applied to create with snide remarks as I have observed and I will deal with this issue as I see fit. Neither do I like the Lord's Word to be diminished by diversion intentionally, or unintentionally .... thank you.
I understand that...but you are going about it in anger of the flesh. And the only reason I can say this is because my flesh has gotten in front of me a good few times lately. I just don't want to see it escalate. Pray it out...
Blessings
Blessings
RG,
You are wrong about any anger. If you knew me you would understand. I do take care of responsibility though and will if it involves the study and presentation of the Lord's Word. Some of us must do this for a number of reasons .... not to satisfy my self, but to make a point.
You are wrong about any anger. If you knew me you would understand. I do take care of responsibility though and will if it involves the study and presentation of the Lord's Word. Some of us must do this for a number of reasons .... not to satisfy my self, but to make a point.
Israel fears 'third intifada' as it buries latest victims of terror
Among the thousands of mourners who gathered outside the Mercaz Harav seminary yesterday to mourn the victims of Jerusalem's first terror attack in four years, Iman Muniyeh, an Arab resident of East Jerusalem, caught the attention of the police.
The 22-year-old had not intended to take part in the funeral procession, in which the bodies of eight students shot in the seminary library were removed from the building and transported to various cemeteries around the country. He was merely taking a walk, on a break from a nearby construction site, when he spotted a slip of paper on the ground —- he bent to pick it up and, before he was upright, two plainclothes police officers were moving in to question him.
The two were part of a huge police deployment throughout the city as the country braced itself for what local residents are already calling the “third intifada”. The Israeli Defence Forces sealed off the West Bank and Israeli police declared a “general state of alert”, as thousands attended funerals for the victims, aged 15 to 26.
“We aren't taking any chances, we are securing the city to ensure that all the citizens, Arab and Jew alike, feel our presence,” said one officer. They would not comment on why they had stopped Mr Muniyeh. He may have been stooping to pick up a stone, they suggested, or to pull out a firearm. He looked Arab, they concluded.
Jerusalem was a frequent target of attacks at the height of the Palestinian-Israeli fighting during 2001-04. In addition to bus bombings and shootings, stones were often hurled at cars with Israeli licence plates that travelled into East Jerusalem.
“There was constant tension then. Today I felt it again, a feeling of dread I hoped I would not experience again,” said Avitai Ariel Yithaki, a Jerusalem resident who attended the funeral procession. “You would see someone who looked like they might be Arab and you would walk in the other direction. Today I found myself doing that again, for the first time in years.”
Sporadic stonings were once again reported, as Jewish-Arab tensions flared after Thursday's attack. Police have named the gunman as Ala Hashem Abu Dhaim, 25, a resident of the east Jerusalem district of Jabel Mukaber.
He was shot and killed by Yitzhak Dadon, an off-duty army officer, who occasionally studied at the seminary. “He came out of the library spraying automatic fire ... the terrorist came to the entrance and I shot him twice in the head,” said Mr Dadon, who, like many Israeli men, carries a weapon at all times. Police arrested more than a dozen associates of Abu Dhaim, included his fiancée. The mourning tent at the Abu Dhaim home was almost vacant, despite the scores of young men who gathered on the sidewalks, underneath a ring of Hamas, Fatah and Hezbollah flags.
“Those closest to him are all being detained, so they cannot mourn his death,” said Muhammad, who said that he was a cousin of the gunner. Abu Dhaim's parents, who were released by police by midday, remained in the upper levels of their home, refusing to talk to the press.
The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, claimed responsibility yesterday for the shooting. “The Hamas movement announces its full responsibility for the Jerusalem operation,” a Hamas official said. But senior Hamas officials said that they could not confirm or deny responsibility for the attack, leading many to speculate over movement's connection to the gunman.
Hours after the attack a Hezbollah television station in Beirut claimed that those responsible were members of a previously unknown group called Phalange of Free Men of Galilee —- Groups of the Martyr Imad Mughnieh and Martyrs of Gaza, avenging the death of the top Hezbollah commander killed in a Damascus last month.
“He probably did it because he was so angry over the Palestinian plight, with all the deaths in Gaza. We are all feeling the pain, the anger,” Muhammad said. Four days ago Israel ended an offensive in the Gaza Strip that killed more than 120 Palestinians, roughly half of them civilians. Israeli air strikes continued to hit the area, however, killing four Islamic Jihad men at about the same time as the gunman was opening fire at the seminary.
Abu Dhaim had no known political associations. He owned a small mini-van and is thought to have worked as a driver for the students. Analysts said that the attack was particularly well planned, suggesting that the gunman was familiar with the seminary.
Many students said that when they heard the gunfire they thought initially that it was the firecrackers, often used for the festive holiday. The seminary's library was crowded for a nighttime study session when the gunman opened fire.
In his eulogy to the eight students, Mercaz Harav's head rabbi said that the gunman had targeted “everyone living in the holy city of Jerusalem”. Responding to criticism that there was no security at the entrance to the seminary, he said that he had “never imagined” that the building could be the target of an attack.
The shooting could further complicate US-backed peace talks between Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, and Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President. Hamas's claim may also undermine talks undertaken by Egypt and encouraged by Washington to foster a truce. Israel said that negotiations with Mr Abbas would continue but demanded that he do more to rein in militants. Abu Dhaim, however, lived in Jerusalem, under full Israeli control.
Commentaries:
There will never be "peace" in the Middle East...read the Bible.
That being said I have to comment on John Brown's post from NYC. If Israel did practice Aparteid the deaths of the Israeli students could not have happened, but Israel does not. Arabs move freely in Israel. There are almost as many Arabs in Israel as Jews, but I don't expect John would know this, or care. Unlike the Palastinians, and Arabs in general, the Jews do not believe in killing everyone that does not agree with them.
If every morning you wake up to rockets being fired into your back garden day in day out from GAza tell me how long can you stand it without finally flipping and retaliating.. if someone hits you every day in the same place tell me when will you finally flip out and hit back?
I am Roman Catholic.Radical Islam has a deep rooted belief in the elimination of all "infidels"...period.Me included.They are systematically training their children to be martyrs .These children will do the same for generations into the future.What other religion (if you will) does this to it's children??
Israel is just the easily targeted mid east "neighbor". Negotiations with these folks has never been about peace. It is about posturing and manipulation to further both overtly and covertly the elimination of ALL "infidels".As a side note: Just wait until Iran actually becomes nuclear...events then will indeed move very very quickly internationally.It won't matter who is in the US or Israeli leadership.The media will not be discussing additional troop deployments.Can you say: "zero tolerance"?
Among the thousands of mourners who gathered outside the Mercaz Harav seminary yesterday to mourn the victims of Jerusalem's first terror attack in four years, Iman Muniyeh, an Arab resident of East Jerusalem, caught the attention of the police.
The 22-year-old had not intended to take part in the funeral procession, in which the bodies of eight students shot in the seminary library were removed from the building and transported to various cemeteries around the country. He was merely taking a walk, on a break from a nearby construction site, when he spotted a slip of paper on the ground —- he bent to pick it up and, before he was upright, two plainclothes police officers were moving in to question him.
The two were part of a huge police deployment throughout the city as the country braced itself for what local residents are already calling the “third intifada”. The Israeli Defence Forces sealed off the West Bank and Israeli police declared a “general state of alert”, as thousands attended funerals for the victims, aged 15 to 26.
“We aren't taking any chances, we are securing the city to ensure that all the citizens, Arab and Jew alike, feel our presence,” said one officer. They would not comment on why they had stopped Mr Muniyeh. He may have been stooping to pick up a stone, they suggested, or to pull out a firearm. He looked Arab, they concluded.
Jerusalem was a frequent target of attacks at the height of the Palestinian-Israeli fighting during 2001-04. In addition to bus bombings and shootings, stones were often hurled at cars with Israeli licence plates that travelled into East Jerusalem.
“There was constant tension then. Today I felt it again, a feeling of dread I hoped I would not experience again,” said Avitai Ariel Yithaki, a Jerusalem resident who attended the funeral procession. “You would see someone who looked like they might be Arab and you would walk in the other direction. Today I found myself doing that again, for the first time in years.”
Sporadic stonings were once again reported, as Jewish-Arab tensions flared after Thursday's attack. Police have named the gunman as Ala Hashem Abu Dhaim, 25, a resident of the east Jerusalem district of Jabel Mukaber.
He was shot and killed by Yitzhak Dadon, an off-duty army officer, who occasionally studied at the seminary. “He came out of the library spraying automatic fire ... the terrorist came to the entrance and I shot him twice in the head,” said Mr Dadon, who, like many Israeli men, carries a weapon at all times. Police arrested more than a dozen associates of Abu Dhaim, included his fiancée. The mourning tent at the Abu Dhaim home was almost vacant, despite the scores of young men who gathered on the sidewalks, underneath a ring of Hamas, Fatah and Hezbollah flags.
“Those closest to him are all being detained, so they cannot mourn his death,” said Muhammad, who said that he was a cousin of the gunner. Abu Dhaim's parents, who were released by police by midday, remained in the upper levels of their home, refusing to talk to the press.
The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, claimed responsibility yesterday for the shooting. “The Hamas movement announces its full responsibility for the Jerusalem operation,” a Hamas official said. But senior Hamas officials said that they could not confirm or deny responsibility for the attack, leading many to speculate over movement's connection to the gunman.
Hours after the attack a Hezbollah television station in Beirut claimed that those responsible were members of a previously unknown group called Phalange of Free Men of Galilee —- Groups of the Martyr Imad Mughnieh and Martyrs of Gaza, avenging the death of the top Hezbollah commander killed in a Damascus last month.
“He probably did it because he was so angry over the Palestinian plight, with all the deaths in Gaza. We are all feeling the pain, the anger,” Muhammad said. Four days ago Israel ended an offensive in the Gaza Strip that killed more than 120 Palestinians, roughly half of them civilians. Israeli air strikes continued to hit the area, however, killing four Islamic Jihad men at about the same time as the gunman was opening fire at the seminary.
Abu Dhaim had no known political associations. He owned a small mini-van and is thought to have worked as a driver for the students. Analysts said that the attack was particularly well planned, suggesting that the gunman was familiar with the seminary.
Many students said that when they heard the gunfire they thought initially that it was the firecrackers, often used for the festive holiday. The seminary's library was crowded for a nighttime study session when the gunman opened fire.
In his eulogy to the eight students, Mercaz Harav's head rabbi said that the gunman had targeted “everyone living in the holy city of Jerusalem”. Responding to criticism that there was no security at the entrance to the seminary, he said that he had “never imagined” that the building could be the target of an attack.
The shooting could further complicate US-backed peace talks between Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, and Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President. Hamas's claim may also undermine talks undertaken by Egypt and encouraged by Washington to foster a truce. Israel said that negotiations with Mr Abbas would continue but demanded that he do more to rein in militants. Abu Dhaim, however, lived in Jerusalem, under full Israeli control.
Commentaries:
There will never be "peace" in the Middle East...read the Bible.
That being said I have to comment on John Brown's post from NYC. If Israel did practice Aparteid the deaths of the Israeli students could not have happened, but Israel does not. Arabs move freely in Israel. There are almost as many Arabs in Israel as Jews, but I don't expect John would know this, or care. Unlike the Palastinians, and Arabs in general, the Jews do not believe in killing everyone that does not agree with them.
If every morning you wake up to rockets being fired into your back garden day in day out from GAza tell me how long can you stand it without finally flipping and retaliating.. if someone hits you every day in the same place tell me when will you finally flip out and hit back?
I am Roman Catholic.Radical Islam has a deep rooted belief in the elimination of all "infidels"...period.Me included.They are systematically training their children to be martyrs .These children will do the same for generations into the future.What other religion (if you will) does this to it's children??
Israel is just the easily targeted mid east "neighbor". Negotiations with these folks has never been about peace. It is about posturing and manipulation to further both overtly and covertly the elimination of ALL "infidels".As a side note: Just wait until Iran actually becomes nuclear...events then will indeed move very very quickly internationally.It won't matter who is in the US or Israeli leadership.The media will not be discussing additional troop deployments.Can you say: "zero tolerance"?
Thank you for the update. You are right. How does the world even contemplate asking Israel to hold back their response. If this happened to Russia it would destroy all in the area whom even looked wrong. If it happened in CHina, same, US same, Britian same. If this blindness is not obviously from a higher power to people they are just blind. Which the Word says they are. To those whom look through the fog, this nonstop attack on Israel is one of the worst managed, most neglected, most ignored atracitites in history. But non other does it happen than to the Jews. Our brothers and sisters. The fact that they are a nation must less constantly being trouble for the world is just so ridicuously obvious its its of Yahweh its darn frustrating. I in no way am comparing myself to lot, but man to see all the sin and ignorance to the truth around you can just frustrate the mess out of ya, I kinda understand one of the situations he faced.
I will pray tonight at 9:00pm central time for Israel if anyone would like to pray at the same time.
ETC
I will pray tonight at 9:00pm central time for Israel if anyone would like to pray at the same time.
ETC
Yes, I will be in prayer for Isreal.
My heart is breaking.
Come Lord Jesus come.
Stephen, my husband and I would like to thank you too, for all the latest news.
Thank you for taking the time to share this with your brothers and sisters.
love,
rosie
My heart is breaking.
Come Lord Jesus come.
Stephen, my husband and I would like to thank you too, for all the latest news.
Thank you for taking the time to share this with your brothers and sisters.
love,
rosie
The Lord is not taken aback by what is happening here .... in fact He will bring the entire drama. To pressure Israel into turning to Him and at the same time drawing the nations into the vortex. He will destroy them all ..... but He will not make an end of Israel. And when it is over ..... He will rule the world from Jerusalem ..... in person.
Hamas Hezbollah Fatah Ah-Mad-in-Jihad
Listen and listen carefully.
You have proven yourselves
mad men in jihad
murderers
lowest life form on earth
cowards
lack of intelligence
women abusers
egotistical bastards
males chauvinists
now 7 thousand times
enough now.
Fate is sealed
you will not listen
Reason nor love.
Case is at Gods feet
we have warned you
7 thousand times.
I have seen for
near future is hell
you each receive
77 burkas that blow up
eternally for you alone.
Happy with the reward?
is only just
what ye sow
is what ye reap.
Any country religion or nation
that wants to share that reward
now step forward or
take distance
from these mad men
God Himself who shall intervene.
Listen and listen carefully.
You have proven yourselves
mad men in jihad
murderers
lowest life form on earth
cowards
lack of intelligence
women abusers
egotistical bastards
males chauvinists
now 7 thousand times
enough now.
Fate is sealed
you will not listen
Reason nor love.
Case is at Gods feet
we have warned you
7 thousand times.
I have seen for
near future is hell
you each receive
77 burkas that blow up
eternally for you alone.
Happy with the reward?
is only just
what ye sow
is what ye reap.
Any country religion or nation
that wants to share that reward
now step forward or
take distance
from these mad men
God Himself who shall intervene.
QUOTE (Stephen @ Mar 8 2008, 03:41 PM) 
The Lord is not taken aback by what is happening here .... in fact He is bring the entire drama. To pressure Israel into turning to Him and at the same time drawing the nations into the vortex. He will destroy them all ..... but He will not make an end of Israel. And when it is over ..... He will rule the world from Jerusalem ..... in person.
Everything according to God's plan!
His will, will always be done.
love,
rosie
Standing in prayer with you all...
QUOTE (Stephen @ Mar 8 2008, 04:41 PM)
The Lord is not taken aback by what is happening here .... in fact He is bring the entire drama. To pressure Israel into turning to Him and at the same time drawing the nations into the vortex. He will destroy them all ..... but He will not make an end of Israel. And when it is over ..... He will rule the world from Jerusalem ..... in person.
Yes I would agree, but it still hurts brother..... but I do not doubt that you know the sting of loss from battle my brother.
QUOTE (RosielovesJesus @ Mar 8 2008, 05:05 PM)
QUOTE (Stephen @ Mar 8 2008, 03:41 PM)
The Lord is not taken aback by what is happening here .... in fact He is bring the entire drama. To pressure Israel into turning to Him and at the same time drawing the nations into the vortex. He will destroy them all ..... but He will not make an end of Israel. And when it is over ..... He will rule the world from Jerusalem ..... in person.
Everything according to God's plan!
His will, will always be done.
love,
rosie
Amen Rosie. I agree!
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