Many have large opinions when it comes to describing the United States of America. Some have anger in their words, yet others love and dedication. Some want to see Her destroyed, Others want to see her survive the storm until the return of Jesus(Yeshua the Jewish Messiah).
But I ask these questions wanting to know what you truly believe might be true. Opinion on what you want to happen aside, answer with only what you truly believe is happening or might happen based on facts and of course what you see the Lord doing in the world.
To say America is in Prophecy is speculaton. There are many scripture that seems like it might be speaking of America. But the truth is this Nation of America is not named. Or spoken of in detail of its landscape or inhabitants.
Some see her as Babylon the Great, some as nothing.
So what do we see for this nations future. Do you see her leaning about to fall, or just stepping up to her glory.
Will her citizens learn first hand what it meant to their founding fathers to fight for freedom on the soil of the Americas. Or will they fade into a new world order. Or perhaps stick it out until His glorious return. What see yee.
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Many have large opinions when it comes to describing the United States of America. Some have anger in their words, yet others love and dedication. Some want to see Her destroyed, Others want to see her survive the storm until the return of Jesus(Yeshua the Jewish Messiah).
But I ask these questions wanting to know what you truly believe might be true. Opinion on what you want to happen aside, answer with only what you truly believe is happening or might happen based on facts and of course what you see the Lord doing in the world.
To say America is in Prophecy is speculaton. There are many scripture that seems like it might be speaking of America. But the truth is this Nation of America is not named. Or spoken of in detail of its landscape or inhabitants.
Some see her as Babylon the Great, some as nothing.
So what do we see for this nations future. Do you see her leaning about to fall, or just stepping up to her glory.
Will her citizens learn first hand what it meant to their founding fathers to fight for freedom on the soil of the Americas. Or will they fade into a new world order. Or perhaps stick it out until His glorious return. What see yee.
America will fall under the wrath of God just like all other nations. As it was in the daysof Lot so shall it be for the nations. The righteous in Christ will be removed before tribulation!
God Bless,
Thunder.
I truely believe America is in deep deep trouble, beyond the point of repentace and awaiting judgement.
If i think back to how i came to this belief it began more than 6 years ago after i read online about prophecies relating to babylon (Jer and Is) and how America (if you look at it objectively) fits perfectly with the descriptions of babylon.
Since the initial exposure to the idea that America is babylon (which was just after 9/11) alot has happened to the USA...war in Iraq, Katrina and now the credit crisis it seems that America is being judged.
I never had a problem with America before but i must admit i have prayed alot to the Lord for guidance over my attitude towards America and Americans, especially if the babylon thing is accurate. I kind of had an attitude of "rejoice over her" whenever bad things happened to America ( and this mentality is easy to adopt if you take the attitude and arrogance of your average American citizen) but after some reflection and deep thought about the consequences of America being babylon and what is going to happen to the saints in America during persecution etc AND all the lost people in America who are brainwashed by the media and manipulated by the powers that be i found myself praying for America quite abit at one stage. But i fear my prayers will only return to me and deliver me in my hour of need and not America.
The evidence is just way too big...i mean think about it...what is the throne of kingdoms on earth?? is it not USA?? New York is the centre of world trade... the UN is there , the list goes on and on and on....
Major judgement is coming to the whole earth...USA could be taken out soon..or could survive and grow stronger for a time the problem is the nature of the beast..every empire and kingdom goes into decline eventually ( look at the British Empire, Rome etc) but Americans seem to think they are immune from this inevitable fact - so maybe it is just that - the nature of the beast being that USA is so proud and arrogant that they will do anything to remain in their glory and not accept losing power...im sure the same attitude prevailed in all other world empires but the crucial differences is the scale of wealth and power that America has massed in a relatively short time - absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The final end of America i believe will be some sort of nuclear strike against the nation, i dont believe the land itself will even be populated with ANY people after such a strike - this will probably be near the end of the tribulation (when that is i dont know) what has been confirmed to be by the Holy Spirit is that i will not be on earth to witness this event i will be in heaven - but the world will witness it and suffer mass trauma.
If i think back to how i came to this belief it began more than 6 years ago after i read online about prophecies relating to babylon (Jer and Is) and how America (if you look at it objectively) fits perfectly with the descriptions of babylon.
Since the initial exposure to the idea that America is babylon (which was just after 9/11) alot has happened to the USA...war in Iraq, Katrina and now the credit crisis it seems that America is being judged.
I never had a problem with America before but i must admit i have prayed alot to the Lord for guidance over my attitude towards America and Americans, especially if the babylon thing is accurate. I kind of had an attitude of "rejoice over her" whenever bad things happened to America ( and this mentality is easy to adopt if you take the attitude and arrogance of your average American citizen) but after some reflection and deep thought about the consequences of America being babylon and what is going to happen to the saints in America during persecution etc AND all the lost people in America who are brainwashed by the media and manipulated by the powers that be i found myself praying for America quite abit at one stage. But i fear my prayers will only return to me and deliver me in my hour of need and not America.
The evidence is just way too big...i mean think about it...what is the throne of kingdoms on earth?? is it not USA?? New York is the centre of world trade... the UN is there , the list goes on and on and on....
Major judgement is coming to the whole earth...USA could be taken out soon..or could survive and grow stronger for a time the problem is the nature of the beast..every empire and kingdom goes into decline eventually ( look at the British Empire, Rome etc) but Americans seem to think they are immune from this inevitable fact - so maybe it is just that - the nature of the beast being that USA is so proud and arrogant that they will do anything to remain in their glory and not accept losing power...im sure the same attitude prevailed in all other world empires but the crucial differences is the scale of wealth and power that America has massed in a relatively short time - absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The final end of America i believe will be some sort of nuclear strike against the nation, i dont believe the land itself will even be populated with ANY people after such a strike - this will probably be near the end of the tribulation (when that is i dont know) what has been confirmed to be by the Holy Spirit is that i will not be on earth to witness this event i will be in heaven - but the world will witness it and suffer mass trauma.
don't look to good for old glory. But I must say I thought I would get alot more opinions on this matter.
Wow.....welllll....
Thank you all for your support of a nation that has done so much good for the world. America is the only nation that gives the most away in aid to other nations.
When the people of this nation cannot help as much....then the rest of the world will be hurting.
I'm reading a book right now called...Unusual Prophesies Being Fulfilled..New Insight Into 9/11...by Perry Stone.
In the book he mentions a woman in Sri Lanka who has had a burden for the United States. When the U.S. is sending missionaries all over the world....this woman has had a burden for the U.S.A.
She had been on a 40 day fast and had recieved a vision from the Lord in which she saw two hands pushing two very tall buildings down. She said that she thought they were located in the United States. This was on Sept. 9th, 2001.
She called this paster and told him about it and if he had any ideas of what it ment. He didn't know and told her to pray about it. Then two days later on the 11th....on his way home...he got a phone call from his wife that a plane had flown into the tower and then he watched the second plane fly into the second tower.
He remembered the dream then and also recalled that this woman said that "after the buildings fell, she saw a vision of the planet spinning; and suddenly, after the fall of the building, the planet (Earth) began to click like the sound of a clock. It appeared the fall of the buildings triggered the earth in the mode of a new prophetic countdown."
YOU may not like America...you may hate us. But this nation has had the hand of G-d on it....and his mercy and blessings.
Remember Jonah? He could not understand why G-d would not just destroy Ninevah....but G-d spared them.
Why? Because of repentance.
YOU have no idea how many believers are standing in the gap for this nation. Hundreds of thousands.
These are spirit filled believers that LOVE God and are praying for His hand of judgement to be held back so that we can reach souls for Him.
WHAT I FIND HYPOCRITICAL....is nations that say they love God...but they never support Israel and are quick to condemn the U.S. who probably has helped their nation out more than once.
Not only that....but I don't understand people that all they can think of is destruction. That sounds very very sick to me.....for anyone to want the Earth to end.
We all want to see the Lord.....but if you cannot appreciate the beauty that He gave us...then you cannot love life.
GOD is life. What are you if all you want is destruction? Who is the author of that?
We need to continue to fight the sprititual battle that is going on. Join the believers that are on their faces before GOD and fasting for souls to be saved. We are not giving up just because of what was prophesied.
God is able to turn the tide as He sees fit in any situation.
Chloé
Thank you all for your support of a nation that has done so much good for the world. America is the only nation that gives the most away in aid to other nations.
When the people of this nation cannot help as much....then the rest of the world will be hurting.
I'm reading a book right now called...Unusual Prophesies Being Fulfilled..New Insight Into 9/11...by Perry Stone.
In the book he mentions a woman in Sri Lanka who has had a burden for the United States. When the U.S. is sending missionaries all over the world....this woman has had a burden for the U.S.A.
She had been on a 40 day fast and had recieved a vision from the Lord in which she saw two hands pushing two very tall buildings down. She said that she thought they were located in the United States. This was on Sept. 9th, 2001.
She called this paster and told him about it and if he had any ideas of what it ment. He didn't know and told her to pray about it. Then two days later on the 11th....on his way home...he got a phone call from his wife that a plane had flown into the tower and then he watched the second plane fly into the second tower.
He remembered the dream then and also recalled that this woman said that "after the buildings fell, she saw a vision of the planet spinning; and suddenly, after the fall of the building, the planet (Earth) began to click like the sound of a clock. It appeared the fall of the buildings triggered the earth in the mode of a new prophetic countdown."
YOU may not like America...you may hate us. But this nation has had the hand of G-d on it....and his mercy and blessings.
Remember Jonah? He could not understand why G-d would not just destroy Ninevah....but G-d spared them.
Why? Because of repentance.
YOU have no idea how many believers are standing in the gap for this nation. Hundreds of thousands.
These are spirit filled believers that LOVE God and are praying for His hand of judgement to be held back so that we can reach souls for Him.
WHAT I FIND HYPOCRITICAL....is nations that say they love God...but they never support Israel and are quick to condemn the U.S. who probably has helped their nation out more than once.
Not only that....but I don't understand people that all they can think of is destruction. That sounds very very sick to me.....for anyone to want the Earth to end.
We all want to see the Lord.....but if you cannot appreciate the beauty that He gave us...then you cannot love life.
GOD is life. What are you if all you want is destruction? Who is the author of that?
We need to continue to fight the sprititual battle that is going on. Join the believers that are on their faces before GOD and fasting for souls to be saved. We are not giving up just because of what was prophesied.
God is able to turn the tide as He sees fit in any situation.
Chloé
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The poll is not easy to answer if you expect the end of days to start with the culmination of the soon to be signed 7 yr peace treaty.
This does not mean America will take the brunt of God's wrath, but that the world will take God's wrath and the Church will have vanished in thin air;)
This does not mean America will take the brunt of God's wrath, but that the world will take God's wrath and the Church will have vanished in thin air;)
I was just being honest and sharing what i believe. America isnt alone in being judged all nations will be judged, but America is the most powerful wealthy and influential nation on earth and as you measure it out so you will receive it..theres no escaping that.
i have stood in the gap and prayed for America many times... and its not good to seek destruction (woe to those who seek the Day of the Lord) thats not what i meant...its just pretty obvious in some ways when you look at America and the end time babylon descriptions
I believe that nationalism and patriotism is a great bondage that many people are in - and the worst are the Americans - maybe you should pray and ask God about what i have posted??
Doesnt the Word say believers are awaiting a NEW heaven and a NEW earth ?? Where does patriotism fit into that?
You have to chose between the Lord and your country it seems.
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YOU may not like America...you may hate us. But this nation has had the hand of G-d on it....and his mercy and blessings - thats true America has been blessed - but who is causing the judgement?? isn't the sin of the nation? Once again its not just America - every nation will be judged so why will America escape?? What makes America so special? Of course its special because its your home and country and you love it more than God.
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Remember Jonah? He could not understand why G-d would not just destroy Ninevah....but G-d spared them.
Why? Because of repentance ** you know that God did destroy Ninevah later on right?? (read the bible)
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WHAT I FIND HYPOCRITICAL....is nations that say they love God...but they never support Israel and are quick to condemn the U.S. who probably has helped their nation out more than once. - supporting Israel wont deliver a nation from judgement. what about all the many nations America has destroyed and controlled?? ( do a google search if your interested for "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" and find out whats been going on and how the world system works!)
Not only that....but I don't understand people that all they can think of is destruction. That sounds very very sick to me.....for anyone to want the Earth to end. - the earth doesnt end, its not about the end of the world its about the removal of corrupt man/satan controlled power structures of which America is the head!
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i have stood in the gap and prayed for America many times... and its not good to seek destruction (woe to those who seek the Day of the Lord) thats not what i meant...its just pretty obvious in some ways when you look at America and the end time babylon descriptions
I believe that nationalism and patriotism is a great bondage that many people are in - and the worst are the Americans - maybe you should pray and ask God about what i have posted??
Doesnt the Word say believers are awaiting a NEW heaven and a NEW earth ?? Where does patriotism fit into that?
You have to chose between the Lord and your country it seems.
**
YOU may not like America...you may hate us. But this nation has had the hand of G-d on it....and his mercy and blessings - thats true America has been blessed - but who is causing the judgement?? isn't the sin of the nation? Once again its not just America - every nation will be judged so why will America escape?? What makes America so special? Of course its special because its your home and country and you love it more than God.
**
Remember Jonah? He could not understand why G-d would not just destroy Ninevah....but G-d spared them.
Why? Because of repentance ** you know that God did destroy Ninevah later on right?? (read the bible)
**
WHAT I FIND HYPOCRITICAL....is nations that say they love God...but they never support Israel and are quick to condemn the U.S. who probably has helped their nation out more than once. - supporting Israel wont deliver a nation from judgement. what about all the many nations America has destroyed and controlled?? ( do a google search if your interested for "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" and find out whats been going on and how the world system works!)
Not only that....but I don't understand people that all they can think of is destruction. That sounds very very sick to me.....for anyone to want the Earth to end. - the earth doesnt end, its not about the end of the world its about the removal of corrupt man/satan controlled power structures of which America is the head!
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