May 19, 2007
A Rebuilt Holy Temple In 2008?
by Michael G. Mickey
(5-19-07)

A reader of my site, Robert Jackson, picked up on this little gem of information contained in a Haaretz article:

Rabbi Zalman Melamed, the head of the Beit El Yeshiva and a leader among West Bank rabbis, said, "Next year we will all go up freely to the Temple, which will be built, with the ashes of the red heifer, without disagreement and without questions."
Talk about BIG NEWS where Bible prophecy is concerned! If Melamed's words are true, the news is about as big as it gets!

In Bible prophecy, we're told that the Antichrist to come is going to enter a rebuilt Holy Temple of the Jewish people at the midpoint of the seven-year Tribulation Period to come in what is commonly referred to as the abomination of desolation, one description of which is found in Daniel 9:27:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


There is so much information contained in this one prophetic verse of scripture!

The 'he' spoken of is the Antichrist. It is the Antichrist who will confirm (or make strong) a covenant of peace in the Middle East seven precise years in length. It is important that we note that he is the one who will confirm a covenant of peace in the troubled Middle East, not necessarily the one who will author said covenant. His confirmation of peace will be supported by a group of many. The "many" could be the Arab League, the international Quartet or a yet-to-be-formed group. We just don't know.

At the midpoint of the seven-year covenant's duration, which will run concurrently with the prophesied seven-year Tribulation Period and be preceded by the Rapture of the Church, the Antichrist is going to declare himself to be god, enter a rebuilt Holy Temple and end the Jewish people's sacrificing of animals in accordance with their Old Testament-defined practices, and, thus, desecrate it. For this to occur, in fulfillment of Bible prophecy, the 3rd Holy Temple must be built --- and now we're hearing that it will be in 2008.

If the comments by Rabbi Zalman Melamed are true, Christians, the following is advisable:
Fasten your faith, lock your eyes in the upright position, and get ready to fly, potentially very soon!

Posted by Michael G. Mickey at 9:47 AM
........................................benny

Do you know that a guy from my church told me he knew the owner of a LOCAL quarry (practically my backyard!) that has been exporting its stones to build the floor of the 3rd temple in Jerusalem? He added that the exportations of the stones had started years ago, and that Tennessee marble was chosen because it would not crack and therefore was ideal to build a floor that can support the weight of columns and of walls!

Wow. Cool. I hope it will be finished very soon.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the impression the Rabbi meant to say that the Temple would definitely be finished by next year. I think of the Jewish expression 'next year in Jerusalem,' which doesn't necessarily mean that they'll actually be in Jerusalem, but it's a way of expressing the hope to be. Or perhaps he meant next year we'll go back to where eventually we know there will be a Temple.

I want to reintegrate what another poster mentioned in another thread. Sometimes we pre-millennial evangelicals get so excited about the coming Temple as a fulfillment of prophecy that we forget that technically it is blasphemous to reintroduce Temple sacrifice. Obviously such a sacrifice denies the efficacy of Christ's once-for-all atonement and is therefor antichrist (against or instead of Christ). In our fervor we come across as if we are supporting the Temple when in reality, at least speaking for myself, we are only excited to see a prophecy come to pass before our eyes and in our days.

Yes. May I ask you a logical question. If indeed the temple sacrifice is indeed blasphemous (as it is, in view of what Jesus did) why does the Bible seem to indicate the opposite?


It seems as if the Bible is speaking of a real holy place. If it is cleansed , it will be holy again.

So my thinking is: There are two temples. One has been destroyed by God, because it has come to the end of its use. As you say, to sacrifice there again will be blasphemy.

The second temple (us)



OK? I see a temple. Now I need a sacrifice.

There are many mentions of sacrifices that the Christian makes (praise etc) but there is ONE that is our daily sacrifice in this new temple of God.


I know its very exciting to look at the fulfillment of prophecy, and I am not saying that God will not allow the "shadow" to be made real in this time (There is a possibility that the Jewish temple might be rebuild. At least they are planning to do it) BUT should we then stop at that and not see that God is telling us more as well?
If we are the temple (as we are) then surely it would be wise to look at the spiritual meaning of the sacrifice that will be stopped .We should not spend all our time on the physical and spend time understanding the spiritual implications.

But then again, I know that it is useless to tell you this, because you can only see until the rapture (concerning yourselves and not beyond it. The rapture is the veil that stops some people from understanding anything further. So I will understand if you do not understand what I am saying )
C

I have been thinking about this very same thing over the past few years. Noone talks about it... noone preaches it. I am mulling this over some more now. I'll be praying and asking Him for revelation regarding this idea. Its quite an idea with MANY implications.

back to the inference...

We know we are the temple..You agree that another will be built. I would be surprised if they offered animal sacrifice in today's modern world...I think they want the Messiah to show up so they don't have to actually deal with that part. But that's just 'thinking out loud conjecture.'

If we aren't on earth C... Why would would we be overly concerned with something that is beyond our reach and under the hand of the all mighty? Maybe some people don't see the spiritual significance of our body being the temple and our flesh the sacrifice...but l don't know any?

Sometimes l think when you don't see perfection it means we lack the faith you think it takes to belong to the elite group you've seged out of scripture. The 'sons of God' that will supernaturally stand through the tribulation.

It sounds like the X men... There's also a new TV show that's out...or coming out..(l haven't seen it but have seen the adds on TV) 44,00 l think it's called. They have supernatural ability to heal and do all sorts of other miracles. The spokesman of the group looks like the perfect cast for Jesus in a Hollywood movie.

But l don't rule everything out...There are things l've arrived at through conjecture. Spiritualizing things such as Elijah's mantel passed on to Elisha with the double anointing... l see it passed to Jews..

And it's just speculation. When you get to spiritualizing things you can get in trouble. So l identify it as speculation. What if we are Elijah and when we are taken up the mantel falls to the Jews...(144,000)double portion...to bring to completion God's work during the last seven years.

If the 144,000 were anointed in such a way could they pass they anointing on? I don't know. Seems like it but l don't know. This is speculation about end times. Neither of us know beyond what scripture says about the 144,000. We speculate out of excitement for things that are about to happen...not because we are grasping in the dark. It's OK sometimes... as long as we identify it as such and don't start setting up new sects.

That's what the son's of God thing has turned into. Genesis 6 talks about "other sons of God" Let's not forget who those monsters were. I see this scenario being played out in my minds eye like a sci-fi movie. The ones you think are being prepared to enter the end times and the Genesis 6 beasts loosed on earth. These beasts will actually deceive many as to who they really are and with your pushing of spiritual interpretations beyond the limits you without knowing, further their cause. Sorry C...but that's how l see what you are doing. I'm not mad at you, l just don't know how you can't possibly see it.

I use to believe in the pre-trib rapture as well. Revelation was a closed book to me. I only guessed at it.Last year I asked God to show me His truth even if it meant I had to change and say I was wrong. He did that.
Now I understand Rev in a way it actually makes sense. It reads WITH the Old Testament now. I read Esther and understand Rev. I read Joseph, Moses, Elijah and I see Revelation. I see the sons of God in shadow everywhere. The man child everywhere. The whole Bible is alive with this teaching all of a sudden. For thirty years I was guessing in the dark. Now I see that God actually had a purpose other than just getting us to heaven. He has a bigger plan. Much bigger. He wanted more sons and daughters, and He wanted them MATURE. Not just "sinners saved by grace' but a New Creation" CHRIST IN US.
He wanted to replace us with His Word, therefore He told us to die to self and to feed on the Word.
He told us not to look and believe the things of the world , but to look with eyes of faith and believe the WORD ONLY. Even if it sounded like a sci-fi movie to us.
He told us the Christ in us is the HOPE Of GLORY and that we will go "from glory TO glory" He tells us that this Christ is in us and He will manifest In this flesh......this mortal flesh. He tells us to see Christ in the mirror when we look into the mirror.He tells us that it will be to us according to our faith.

C

And we're here C...! Praise God! Moving and growing in the Spirit with signs and wonders following. Strengthening those around us to "go higher". Yes...We are the Sons of God...but we will be taken out and the only thing that will remain is the counterfeit mentioned in Genesis 6 which you refuse to address as even a remote possibility as a path to end time deception. Don't you see it?

No my friend I do not see it like that. I see beyond the veil of the rapture. No offence (I mean it) but the rapture-now doctrine is a veil that prevents you and others from seeing. Its impossible to see what God is saying, if you move the rapture out of its place (last trumpet) to the beginning of the tribulation.

One thing that you must think about it: Why do people who teach rapture-now never see the difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God? The Bible teaches it is two different things, yet you teach they are the same. One is called "Tribulation" (Wilderness experience like seen in the wanderings of Israel for 40 years , Jesus in the desert for 40 days ) the other is called Wrath of God.....that Wrath is not meant for the body of Christ and we will not be here for it.

But I am not here to teach you and others about the rapture. I will continue to talk of what God has done for us at the cross. Because I believe Paul was correct when he said he will know nothing, BUT the cross. Because in the Crucifixion ALL was achieved that God has planned.I want to know Him in His death and the power of His resurrection. I believe God is sovereign and will allow all that must hear, to hear. I cannot make people hear, only He can.

We only hear, through the Word.Rom 10:17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
These things were written so that we can know the truth and not walk in "maybe" or "perhaps" It is all very clear.


C

Prevents you from see what C???

I see the difference between the tribulation and the wrath. That's not a hard one. At times l see the first part as chastisement. Fitting a mid trib...Many of the signs and wonders l've had relate to mid trib...even when l believe in pre trib...But l've never believed in post trib.

There are serious questions surrounding endtimes or there wouldn't be all the discussion.

You asked me if I do not see it like you, and I am saying no I do not.
I have not said anything about me being prevented from seeing
C

Well, "C"....has given his view.....now I will present my view....................(1.) Israel Re-gathered While Still in Unbelief

God has uniquely conveyed throughout the Bible through the use of both imagery and symbolism that Israel would first be re-gathered from the nations while yet remaining in a condition of unbelief. This fact may be startling to some, to those that may think that Israel’s repentance is a prerequisite for Divine accommodation back into the land. But the fact of the matter is that God will change their hearts toward him after they have returned to the land, a geographic-demographic fact which in turn causes a world-wide conflict from which they can find no resolution. Albeit, a world leader will arise to offer Israel a deceptive plan for peace and security. The prophet Ezekiel describes this physical restoration to the land in the following scripture references. (Pay close attention to the italics and under-lined portions of scripture as you read from Ezekiel:)

Ezekiel 36:24-29 For I will take you (Israel) from among the heathen, (nations) and gather you out of all countries, (diaspora) and will bring you into your own land. (partial physical restoration) Then (afterwards) will I (God) sprinkle clean water (spiritual restoration) upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit (spiritual rebirth) will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart (blindness and hard-heartedness) out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land (realization of a permanent physical full land-covenant) that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, (fruitful land- Millennial Kingdom) and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

Ezekiel 37:11-14 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Ezekiel explicitly states in verse eleven that the dry bones that are pictured within his prophetic imagery lesson are specifically the House of Israel. In verses 11-14 of Ezekiel’s vision, we can easily see the utter despair in the Jewish psyche, and the sense of hopelessness that was endured by them throughout the Diaspora. But a return to the land was always in the forecast, and formed the backdrop for the Zionist dream that was uniquely venerated in the exilic anthem, “next year in Jerusalem.”

Ezekiel 37:3-10 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord. So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

In this portion of scripture, Ezekiel clearly lays out the scenario for Israel being restored in a physical body first. (bone coming to bone with sinew covering coming upon them) The restoration of the physical body is followed by a spiritual rebirth, as depicted in the fact that new physical body is shown first without breath being in it. Only after the body parts are shown reconstituted as a legitimate body are we confronted with the realization that it has no life. (…but there was no breath in them.) The physical body still requires the breath of life to be breathed into the body for it to experience actual life. So it is with the house of Israel yet today. Israel has been reconstituted in the world as a physical entity, but it has not yet experienced the “breathing of life” being breathed into its restored body. But the existence of the body portends that Israel’s time of spiritual restitution is close at hand. .........The physical birth of Israel is aready a fact, since she had become a nation May 14,1948......There is a spiritual rebirth, that is yet to come to pass.........yes, there are many Jews in Israel today that are accepting the Lord Jesus into their hearts, in growing numbers as a fire being blown by the wind(Holy Spirit).....who will be caught up in an event that we call the rapture, which happens prior to Daniels 70th week.........The Word of God says that all of Israel will be saved, and The Lord does state:..."unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God..........The Lord also states to the Jews in John 5;43.."I have come in My Father's name,and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. The Jews Of Israel, who had been left behind at the rapture, will accept the anti-christ as their long awaited messiah......It is not until the event of the "Abomination of Desolation"...that the Jews Of Israel will realize that they were deceived, and will realize that Jesus of Nazareth, is their True Messiah, and then at that point, the Spiritual rebirth of Israel will come to pass.When the A.O.D. comes to pass, only a third of the Jews in Israel will be left alive, who will all flee at the sign of this event called the A.O.D........Who will all flee to the wilderness, to what many believe will be a place called Petra, which is located in Jordan.......The "Woman" in Revelation 12 is identified as "Israel".......When the A.O.D. comes to pass, there will be 1,260 days to go, before the actual physical return of our Lord Jesus Christ to this earth. When Jews from all over the earth, wittness the Ezekial 38 battle, which happens prior to Daniels 70th week...........Jews from all over the earth will recognize that It was God who had defended Israel....And many, many Jews will return to Israel with a desire to rebuild the third temple, and considering that The Lord had destroyed Russia's and the Arab's military......there is no one to stop the building of the third temple...........Even though, many Jews from all over the earth will return to Israel......It seems that not ALL jews would be able to afford to make such a move financially. During the Great Tribulation Period,Jews from the four corners of the earth, will be hiding from the long arm of the anti-christ........Many non-believers(those who have refused the mark),will place their Jewish friends into hiding........From the story of the sheep/goat judgement,. we have all the nations gathered before the Lord Who is sitting on His throne,.....The battle of armageddon is done and overwith...........and the Lord is about to Judge the nations that fought against Jerusalem...........What comes to mind is that not all the people from all nations were probally not involved in fighting against Jerusalem......What I had to take into consideration was that while all nations were fighting against Jerusalem, that there were old men and women too old too fight, that there were crippled people, children over the age of accountability, not all people could not be transported to Jerusalem to fight against it,.....That there were unsaved men and women who were hiding and protecting Jews, from the anti-christ......The unsaved men and women, fed , clothed, and protected the Jews, thus they were friends to each other.......Many mourned when they say the Lord descending towards the earth, which is a first step towards repentence...........These unsaved people were a blessing to the Jews who were hiding from the anti-christ......with this in mind, comes to mind a scripture from the book Genesis.....which states: "Blessed are those that blesses thee, and cursed is him that curses thee"...............In Ezekial 37;21-28.....The Lord says that He will gather the Jews(His People),back into their own land.......Today, the Jews are slowly gathering back into Israel......Also, after the Ezekial 38 battle,the Jews will come back to Israel and build their third temple.........But, when the A.O.D. has come to pass, we find that the Jews are in the wilderness, and yet their would still be many around the globe that have yet to return........At the actual second return of our Lord Jesus,we find in Matthew 24;31 that the angels gather His elect(the Jews) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.......and brings them all to Israel......And the Lord will live in their midst forever more......when one thinks about it,.....the angels will also gather all those who have the mark and had fought against the Lord, and will be thrown into the lake of fire, along with the ac and the false prophet..........The Jews that were protected in the wilderness from the ac, the friends who had clothed, fed ,that had helped the Jews ,also the tribulation saints will enter the millenium and repopulate the kingdom......................benny

Just as David put up the materials for Solomon's temple the jewish people have been busy doing the same for a while now.

Check out this site

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/Events/...ornerstones.htm

There's no doubt the Jews have been ready to rebuild the Temple. The question has been, how do you rebuild the temple where the dome of the rock and the Al Aqsa mosque are supposedly occupying the building site?

A few weeks back while watching a Hal Lindsey report, he had a guest who was explaining that the temple site WAS NOT under the dome or mosque, it was in fact further to the east. I had further confirmation of this discovery just last night as I was watching the history channel. On the program was the director of the Temple Mount faithful pointing out the same fact. Recent archeological evidence and new technology proves the site further to the east.

Yeah,.....Check out post #14 in the "bible prophecy" section....titled under "the anti-christ is coming......Brother triton57 has some great pictures, and a detailed sketch of the temple mount.....from what I can see.....it looks like the third temple can be built next to the grand mosque....provided no one tries to build the outter court................................benny

Benny,
I have a question, because I don't want to look at the explainations of future events as absolute, without checking other avenues.

What if the "abomination of desolation" really is the re-establishment of the temple and re-starting the sacrifices? Isn't it an insult to the Lord Jesus to do this, because it is saying "Your sacrifice wasn't enough?"

I know that present day Jews don't recognize Jesus as Messiah, but the Lord did bring the Temple Sacrifice to an end.

What do you think? Please guys I don't mean to be controversial, just wondering.
iseenow

It's almost impossible for me to read this portion of scripture without tears.
A people lost restored? People that have been Gods vessel of demonstration to humanity for thousands of years.... Who can not fear the Lord?



Almost looks like the remnants of a concentration camp... But then...

Interesting link:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/is.html

Dear iseenow,...Many years ago .....My sister and brother-n-law were not saved.....and I prayed to the Lord concerning them.......I knew that the Lord knew their hearts, and knew that the Lord could do whatever it would take, that would cause them to turn to Him.......A lot of times people will not turn to the Lord, until they are in a situation with their backs to the wall,with all hope lost, with no one to turn to, except Him.........Well sure enough a short time later.....My brother-n-law's life turned into a situation....and He accepted the Lord......My sister fought tooth and nail there, for awhile.....but eventually, she too had asked the Lord into her heart also.............................The Lord Knew before His creation of man....what it was going to take to get the Jews to turn to Him with all of their hearts........As far as concerning the third temple,...read Daniel 9;27......When this event comes to pass,...The Jews in Israel will build their Temple.....When the A.O.D. comes to pass....The temple will already have been built when the ac commits the A.O.D. ....................................benny

Dear iseenow, I hope you can see that your question is being avoided and sidestepped here.Its too close to the bone for comfort.

I will tell you that you are on the right track here. Just keep on following that feeling in your heart that wants to know truth and not accept man's doctrine.
In your heart, you already know the answer to your own question.Temple, sacrifice, real temple, real sacrifice? How can it be of God? Who is making this God's temple? CAN man still build a temple and call it God's? Can a Jew today build a temple and call it God's?

Ask God and wait patiently for His answer. The Lord is faithful to answer those who cry out to Him for an answer iseenow. You have to be prepared to believe truth above man's doctrine. Only THEN will God answer you with revelation.
C

Amen ... C

my jaw dropped in amazement after reading this...............

Thanks Calvin, at least you see as well
C

Dear iseenow,.....Your question was very much answered .................................................................actually:....you quote:..."I know that present day Jews don't recognize Jesus as Messiah, but the Lord did bring the Temple Sacrifice to an end"..............you have answered you own question............................benny

World Jewish Digest (WJD)
Issue Date: October 2006, Posted On: 9/15/2006 News & Views

A Cohen-Levi Family Affair


Recent scientific research and DNA testing have shown that today’s descendents of the biblical priesthood known as Kohanim are genetically related.

Although the descendents of Aharon, the brother of Moses, have spread throughout the world over the past 3,300 years, the members of this extended family are being invited to participate in the first “family reunion” held since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 C.E.

Participants from across the world will join tribe members for a stimulating and educational experience at the first-ever international gathering of Kohanim and the tribe of Levi, July 15-19, 2007 in Jerusalem. These dates coincide with the biblically noted date of Aharon the High Priest’s death, the first day of the Hebrew month of Av.

“We are excited by the interest seen so far. This is not only the first family reunion of the Jewish priestly dynasty in nearly 2,000 years, it is an important conference which will inform, inspire and motivate,” explains conference organizer Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman. “The research and information we will share will play an important role in appreciating and maintaining our unique and precious heritage.”

The conference will address the importance of promoting and seeking peace among the Jewish nation. The program will thus include a wide spectrum of speakers and activities in an effort to attract the interests and bridge the gaps among Jews from all backgrounds.

Kohanim are the priestly family of the Jewish people. The Torah describes the anointment of Aharon as the first High Priest. The books of Exodus and Leviticus describe the responsibilities of the Kohanim, which include the Temple service, blessing of the people and spiritual healing.

The Kohanim are a family of the tribe of Levi, the tribe that was chosen for holy service.

Molecular geneticists have recently discovered the “Cohen Modal Haplotype,” which is a Y-chromosome DNA lineage signature shared by a majority of both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Kohanim.

This indicates a direct patrilineal descent of present day Kohanim from a single ancient ancestor, genetically dated to have lived approximately 3,300 years ago, a time corresponding to the Exodus from Egypt.
Ynetnews.com

http://www.cohen-levi.org/

.............................................benny

Just as a curious side note, an article on CNN:Isaac Newton Calculates Temple Dimensions. It'd be interesting to get ahold of those and see if the dimensions match up what groups like the Temple Mount claim them to be.

Question for anybody here: If we have all this knowledge about what's going on, what are we doing with it? I was recently challenged with this question with a reminder from the Book of Luke: "To much who has been given, much is required."

OK brother C, please I am interested to here what is the spiritual sacrifice that will be stopped. THis I have not heard of.(the sacrifice thats stopped is spiritual). Please in all sincerety tell us what it is. And you should not be so quick to insult your brothers and sisters. Saying you don't expect them to understand. ARe the Lord, do you understand all. If not than you are no different than they, just perhaps you have understanding of things they do not, and they have understanding in things that you do not. Instead of pointing it out, share what you have understanding in, and in turn they might with you.






Hey man you are right on. Why do people get the rapture and wrath as the same thing. There is not one scripture to back it up or that mentions them as the same. Turn to the forum topic,in what you say"logic of pre-trib rapture". Even though mulitpule of my post have been erased after a day or so being on there, because of someone whom disagrees, the truth is still there. Cause the truth is spelled out cleary in the Bible. Great trib. then the gathering of his elect.

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Jews Revive the Sanhedrin with Plans for a Passover Sacrifice
By Deborah Pardo-Kaplan
Religion News Service

In a donated apartment concealed among the narrow streets of the Jerusalem suburb of Nahlaot, 13 Orthodox Jewish men meet every Tuesday to debate matters of Jewish law. They are the management team of a larger developing Sanhedrin, or religious court, in Israel.

And they plan to sacrifice sheep on the Temple Mount on the day before or one month after Passover, which starts at sundown April 2. Either date is permissible under Jewish law. "If the government will not resist," said Rabbi Dov Stein, 68, a member of the group, "we will do it."

As Easter eclipses the last days of Passover this year, Christians will focus again on the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus. The Sanhedrin, meanwhile, will literally attempt to resurrect the Passover sacrifice of old.

For these Jews, the sacrificial Passover offering is not their redemption per se, yet it is vital to the process.

The Passover sacrifice is the latest of more than 40 legal decisions issued by the modern Sanhedrin. Seventy-one Orthodox men revived the court more than two years ago in the city of Tiberius, the same geographical spot they believe marked the final days of the Sanhedrin a few hundred years after the time of Jesus.

In antiquity, the Sanhedrin determined Jewish practice. It now rules on political and religious issues and ultimately sees itself as an alternative to the secular Supreme Court of Israel. It hopes to impose Jewish law on the Jewish people and the seven "Noahide" laws -- prohibitions on theft, murder, blasphemy and others, based on Jewish teaching -- on Gentile nations.

"We want all the world," Stein said, "to walk with God."

Descriptions of the Sanhedrin can be found in Jewish legal writings and the New Testament. The Gospels say Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin so its members could assess his messianic claims. This current Sanhedrin also sees as one of its goals to evaluate any potential messianic contender. "There is no redemption without the Sanhedrin," said Stein. "We are building the opportunity for a king (messiah)."

Some Orthodox Jews see the Passover sacrifice on Jerusalem's Temple Mount -- one of the most disputed pieces of real estate on the planet -- as key to quickening redemption.

The Sanhedrin bought a herd of 12 sheep -- 110-150 pounds each -- from a farm in southern Israel. Anyone wanting to eat of the sacrifice can pay seven shekels ($1.67) for an 8-10 gram slice, the minimum required by Jewish law, Stein said. The group is hoping to collect 30,000 signatures through its Web site to prove its influence to the Israeli authorities, and gain access to the Temple Mount area.

Some members of the Sanhedrin are a bit more cautious.

"The Passover plans are just preparation," said Hillel Weiss, a professor of Hebrew literature at Bar Ilan University. "Not everyone is in favor of it."

The Passover sacrifice will draw the attention of some religious Jews as well as evangelical Christians who see both the restoration of the Sanhedrin and sacrifice as part of end-times prophecy. Other Orthodox Jews want to distance themselves from this group, which they consider extremist.

Religious Zionists, such as Israeli settlers, serve as the main audience for the new Sanhedrin, said Mordechai Inbari, 37, an Israeli who teaches at the University of Florida. Inbari sat in on some of the Sanhedrin meetings last year for his doctoral research.

Zionists perceive Israel as in the process of redemption, Inbari said, but most see the Temple's reconstruction with its sacrificial system as the last stage, occurring only after a widespread repentance in which all Jews turn religious. "But the extremists see it as going hand in hand," he said.

Hila Lipnick, a 28-year-old Orthodox woman who lives in Cambridge, Mass., used to live in Jerusalem and traveled daily to Gush Etzion, a settlement in the West Bank, for school. While she believes in the eventual rebuilding of the Temple, she is unsure about sacrifice.

"I can't see rivers of blood going all over Jerusalem," she said, "and society just accepting it."

In order for the Sanhedrin to proceed with the sacrifice, they would need to build an altar on the Temple Mount, at least the size of 1 amah (21 inches) by 1 amah, Stein said. They would slaughter the sheep and sprinkle the blood towards the altar, said Hillel Weiss. The meat would then be taken from the Temple area and cooked on a special oven and given to families to eat.

Some leaders in the Jewish community question not only the renewal of sacrifice without a Temple, but the validity of the Sanhedrin itself.

"They are a self-selected group," said Michael J. Broyde, an Orthodox rabbi who sits on the Rabbinical Court of America. "And they have no more and no less authority than any other self-selected group of rabbis."

While many Jews are either ambivalent or hostile toward the Sanhedrin and other Temple-related groups, some evangelicals support these projects. They get excited when they perceive the Jewish people fulfilling what they view as part of future prophecy, said Randall Price, an evangelical professor and author of four books about the Temple. "Then they think we're getting closer to that being a reality," he said.

The Sanhedrin considers the Passover sacrifice equal in importance to circumcision, since it is the first collective commandment given to the Jewish people.

"Since the Passover sacrifice is an eternal commandment, we should do it," said Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander, an English spokesperson for the group. Those who do not observe the sacrifice, he said, will be cut off from the Jewish people.

"If we have psychological inhibitions, it is our duty to educate ourselves, to overcome the inhibitions," Hollander said. "This is part of our redemption. An essential part."
................................................benny

This is the time for them; and they know it.

We really need to pray for them, of course its *****; But most of them that are doing this wouldn't even talk to you; it's sad really.

After all of this time, all they've been through, and they still keep on; it's pride really (a religious spirit); many Jews recognize Jesus for who he is though, they may or may not care about this.

Check this out, and see what you think?

19: For I, ...through (with) the law, am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20: I am crucified with Christ; nevertheless I live (I die not); yet not I, but Christ lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of (of, not in) the Son of God; who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21: I do not frustrate the grace of God; for if righteousness come by the law (ministers of justice, lawyers of good and evil), then Christ is (taken up abode in a) dead (man) in vain.
Galations two

I have something; I was researching the turning of the tables (balance shekel) of the temple by Jesus;

Pharisee's in short: This temple took 46 years to completion, and you say you raise it in three days?
But they did not know, he was talking about the temple of his body.

It's a numeric: 4 & 6; in other words it happens two times or twice;

Forty is 4+0 or two numbers; the doubling upon by the spirit (Lord, come bless our work); but the work is overthrown; four days + zero of the spirit; after four days, they rejected Messiah's addition to their mix, and his spiritual asset.

And 6; in other words, this was a prophecy telling us that they would have opportunity to try it again; when? After the sixth day; and they still haven't got it yet;

Ought we not to mourn and intercede for them, not rejoice; this is it, we have entered into the seventh day of Israel (the old); and the third day of the risen Christ (entos his body, the new wine);

Messiah was crucified within 33 years (degrees, a kabbala principle, they should understand this - it means the time it takes for the building of the house) of the fifth day; and the house was desolated within 70 years;

They thought they were building a new Eden; they thought they were winning the game of good and evil; amidst the religion of the world; they thought they had spiritual protection (kabala), but Christ knew that they were about to be steamrolled;

You know, Bob Dylans (a christian of Jewish heritage) song, Like a Rolling Stone, is about this, the fall of the Eve, the woman fleeing, and the wilderness disporia; Are they about to do it again, building the Eden amidst the good and evil; saying: Lord, bless our work?

Once upon a time, you dressed so fine, you threw the bums a dime, in your prime, ...didn't you?
People'd call, say beware doll, your bound to fall, you thought they were all, ...a'kiddin you.
You used to, ...laugh about, everybody that was, ...hangin out; now you don't talk so loud, now you don't seem so proud;
About having to be scrounging, ...your next meal; How does it feel? (once) How does it feel (twice)?
To be on your own, with no direction home; like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone (like a walking dead)

I do not know Gods mind about the temple, I know my own; but I do think that Christ did not come to restore Eden (or the balance of the good and evil) but to supercede it;

Bump . . .
Would this be that our individual worship is stopped? That we are not allowed to openly be Christian? Just thinking . . .

Israelite priests hold first gathering since Temple era

Jews belonging to the Tribe of Levi, and particularly the Kohen clan, came together for a mass gathering in Jerusalem on Sunday. It was the first large-scale gathering of biblically-mandated Israelite priests since the time of the Second Temple.

The gathering included lectures and seminars on the history and future of the Temple, and culminated with all of the participants declaring the priestly blessing over Israel from the Western Wall.

Genetic research over the past several decades has succeeded in isolating a particular DNA signature shared by all members of the Tribe of Levi, making the reinstitution of Israel's priestly caste a relatively simple endeavor once the Temple is rebuilt.
...............................................benny

OK< I will give you my understanding.
1)I believe that the Old Temple is not considered "holy" by God anymore, nor would any sacrifice be seen as such by God.
2) We are now the temple of God and if we stop looking just at the "letter" we will see that we still have a sacrifice that is happening in this spiritual temple of today.

SO now we have the sacrifice that the Bible teaches is the sacrifice of the new spiritual Temple (us)1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Now we have the sacrifice (death to self) and we have us as the temple.

Now we have to make the jump into the future, where the New Word Order unites all religions. It becomes illegal to worship in the true Christian manner now. Churches join hands with the world and take the mark (some will do this) and they give up the scripture that says:Luk 14:27 Whosoever doth not bear his own cross, (death to self, the sacrifice) and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Thus the sacrifice is stopped in the holy Temple.

Who gets back into the picture: The SELF of MAN......the opposite of death to self, the same sin as the sin of the Devil, who wanted to elevate his throne above the throne of God. Same game still. Satan hates it when we die to self. because that causes Christ to come forward in us............that he has to prevent at all costs.


You have to understand, this parable is limited to those who sell out their brothers and sisters. If we read the examples throughout the Bible, it shows that a remnant will still have "the sacrifice in the temple"

I hope that is clear, I am trying to keep my posts shorter, although this is difficult to say in a few lines.


C

This is a very interesting subject as we know that the temple will be rebuilt and in use during the time
of Jacob's trouble.
The rapture of believers will occur before the antichrist is revealed, so indeed all believers should
be praying for Israel, Jerusalem and the Jewish people.
After the Church is removed from earth God will revert his full attention on Jerusalem and the time
of Jacob's trouble will be nigh.
After the 6 day war in 1967 the Jews could have had full control of the temple mount but it was
not God's will or time for the temple to be rebuilt. I think we are very close now to the time as
the Mid East is truly a "cup of trembling" and Jerusalem in particular.
We know that Jesus is our Saviour and the Jewish people will soon realise after much pain and
suffering and yes death that Jesus truly is their awaited Messiah.
Through current events in the MidEast, God is showing believers that their time of bodily
redemption drawth nigh.
Praise be to Jesus our Lord for ever and ever...

Thunder

Thunder

Is not the abomination that maketh desolate the actual sitting of the anti-christ in the
temple of God, showing himself to be God. There also is an image of the beast set in
place in the temple which everyone is told to bow down and worship!
When this event happens the people (Jewish) are told to run for the mountains to
saftey. The Jewish people realize they have been lied to and that the anti-christ is an
evil man that Satan has taken control of...

God Bless,
Thunder

If you have asked Jesus to be your Saviour, you will not be on earth when the AC sits in the
temple at Jerusalem.

You, my dear friend will be in heaven awaiting the time to return with Jesus to rule and
reign with him for a thousand years!

God Bless,
Thunder

By Aaron Klein
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Temple Mount
JERUSALEM – Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told the Egyptian government the Jewish state is willing to forfeit control over the Temple Mount – Judaism's holiest site – to the management of Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority, according to an Arab media report.

The Egyptian Al Massrioun daily reported this weekend Barak informed Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and the Jordanian government Israel is be willing to hand them joint control over the Temple Mount.

The report follows a WND exclusive article last week stating Palestinian negotiators drafting an agreement behind the scenes with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office made clear they will not accept any final peace deal with Israel unless the Jewish state forfeits the Temple Mount.

(Story continues below)

According to the Egyptian media report over the weekend, Barak stated an umbrella group of several Arab countries controlling the holy site instead of only the PA would help ease Israeli domestic opposition to giving up the Temple Mount, since Egypt and Jordan are considered by Israeli policy to be moderate countries.

Ronen Moshe, a spokesman for Barak, told WND the Egyptian media report is "untrue."

"We do not comment on the specifics of private conversations with world leaders, but this report is not what was said during the talks," Moshe said.

A senior Palestinian official, speaking on condition his name be withheld, told WND yesterday Israel "understands there won't be any deal with the Palestinians unless it forfeits the Temple Mount."

The official said the Mount was previously a sticking point in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, but he said Prime Minister Olmert's government has expressed a number of times a willingness to compromise on the Temple Mount.

"We've recently received many Israeli plans that showed Israel is willing to allow another body, whether Palestinian or international, to control the [Temple Mount]. The issue is no longer a sticking point," the Palestinian official said.

During U.S.-led negotiations in 2000, Barak, then prime minister, reportedly was willing to forfeit the Temple Mount to international control. Those negotiations fell through after Palestinian President Yasser Arafat rejected an offer of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and eastern sections of Jerusalem.

Adviser Gilad Sher – who represented Barak at initial Israeli-Palestinian planning meetings in 2000 during which President Clinton discussed the Temple Mount – wrote in his book "Beyond Reach" that Clinton's plan called for the Temple Mount to become complete Palestinian sovereign territory, while the Western Wall below and its complex would fall under Israeli sovereignty.

Barak was said to have initially rejected that plan, but according to participants at the negotiations summit, he was ultimately willing to place the Mount under international sovereignty. Some reports claimed Barak offered the Temple Mount to the Palestinians, but the Israeli politician has denied those claims.

Palestinian state outline 'coming by November'

A chief Palestinian negotiator told WND aides from Abbas' Fatah organization have been hammering out the parameters of a final status agreement for presentation in November at a U.S.-backed international summit regarding the Middle East.

Yesterday, newly installed Israeli President Shimon Peres told a Tokyo newspaper he hopes to achieve the outline of a final status deal with the Palestinians before the November conference.

Israeli and Palestinian diplomatic sources said U.S.-brokered biweekly meetings between Olmert and Abbas are being utilized to draft the outline of a permanent status deal, ultimately yielding a Palestinian state, scheduled to be aired in public at the November summit.

Issues already discussed between Israel and the Palestinians reportedly include the division of parts of Jerusalem and debates regarding permanent borders between Israel and the PA.

The November international conference and talk from the Bush administration the past few weeks has led many here to speculate the U.S. will push in the near future for intense Israeli-Palestinian negotiations leading to a Palestinian state.

With a year and a half left in office, President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have been urging meetings between Abbas and Olmert to establish a framework for momentum leading to a breakthrough at November's conference.

Asked by WND whether Olmert is willing to forfeit the Temple Mount in an agreement with the Palestinians, David Baker, a spokesman for the prime minister, had no comment.

Jews, Christians barred from praying on Mount

The Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism. Muslims say it is their third holiest site.

The First Jewish Temple was built by King Solomon in the 10th century B.C. It was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. The Second Temple was rebuilt in 515 B.C. after Jerusalem was freed from Babylonian captivity. That temple was destroyed by the Roman Empire in A.D. 70. Each temple stood for a period of about four centuries.

The Jewish Temple was the center of religious Jewish worship. It housed the Holy of Holies, which contained the Ark of the Covenant and was said to be the area upon which God's "presence" dwelt. The Al Aqsa Mosque now sits on the site.

The Temple served as the primary location for the offering of sacrifices and was the main gathering place in Israel during Jewish holidays.

The Temple Mount compound has remained a focal point for Jewish services over the millennia. Prayers for a return to Jerusalem have been uttered by Jews since the Second Temple was destroyed, according to Jewish tradition. Jews worldwide pray facing toward the Western Wall, a portion of an outer courtyard of the Temple left intact.

The Al Aqsa Mosque was constructed around A.D. 709 to serve as a shrine near another shrine, the Dome of the Rock, which was built by an Islamic caliph. Al Aqsa was meant to mark where Muslims came to believe Muhammad, the founder of Islam, ascended to heaven.

Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Quran. Islamic tradition states Muhammad took a journey in a single night from "a sacred mosque" – believed to be in Mecca in southern Saudi Arabia – to "the farthest mosque" and from a rock there ascended to heaven. The farthest mosque later became associated with the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

Currently under Israeli control, Jews and Christians are barred from praying on the Mount.

The Temple Mount was opened to the general public until September 2000, when the Palestinians started their intifada by throwing stones at Jewish worshipers after then-candidate for prime minister Ariel Sharon visited the area.

Following the onset of violence, the new Sharon government closed the Mount to non-Muslims, using checkpoints to control all pedestrian traffic for fear of further clashes with the Palestinians.

The Temple Mount was reopened to non-Muslims in August 2003. It still is open but only Sundays through Thursdays, 7:30 a.m. to 10 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. to 1:30 p.m., and not on any Christian, Jewish or Muslim holidays or other days considered "sensitive" by the Waqf.

During "open" days, Jews and Christian are allowed to ascend the Mount, usually through organized tours and only if they conform first to a strict set of guidelines, which includes demands that they not pray or bring any "holy objects" to the site. Visitors are banned from entering any of the mosques without direct Waqf permission. Rules are enforced by Waqf agents, who watch tours closely and alert nearby Israeli police to any breaking of their guidelines.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=57338
...........................................benny

The Blood-Red Moon, the
Temple Mount and the Bible -
Bill Koenig

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August 28, 2007, had very revealing headlines:

A Blood-Red Moon Rises over North America, Olmert Offers Temple Mount Sovereignty to the Palestinians, Olmert and Abbas Meet on Israel's Land and Jerusalem, Bush Says Iran's Actions Could Lead to a Shadow of a Nuclear Holocaust, and Bush Arrives in New Orleans for his 15th Post-Katrina Visit

These were the news headlines on the day of a total lunar eclipse that produced a "blood-red" moon, the second one in seven years. The last total lunar eclipse/"blood-red" moon occurred on July 16, 2000, while U.S. President Bill Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian President Yasser Arafat were at the Middle East Summit at Camp David. The sticking point that caused the summit to fail had to do with who would have sovereignty over the Temple Mount — the Israelis or the Palestinian Arabs.

During this year's total lunar eclipse/"blood-red" moon of Aug. 28, 2007, that rose over North America, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered the Palestinians sovereignty over the Temple Mount. What was so incredible about the timing of this offer is that it didn't take place days, weeks or months after the "blood-red" moon but on the very same day. In other words, the Temple Mount’s sovereignty was a central focus during both total lunar eclipse/ "blood-red" moons in 2000 and this week.

Blood-Red Moon

The Old and New Testaments speak of blood-red moons prior to the Tribulation.

Joel 2:31 (KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

Acts 2:20 (KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come.

The Jewish Talmud (book of tradition/interpretation) says, "When the moon is in eclipse, it is a bad omen for Israel. If its face is as red as blood, [it is a sign that] the sword is coming to the world."

Total-eclipse “blood-red” moons are rare. The next total-eclipse/ "blood-red" moon will occur on Feb. 21, 2008. Having another total eclipse this close to a previous one is extremely rare; to say the least, we will be watching that day with much interest.

News From the Last Two Blood-Red Moons

During the "blood-red" moon of July 16, 2000, President Clinton, Prime Minister Barak and President Arafat were participating in the Middle East Summit at Camp David from July 11-25.

According to Mitchell Bard, the executive director of the nonprofit American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE), Prime Minister Barak offered to withdraw from 97 percent of the West Bank and 100 percent of the Gaza Strip. In addition, he agreed to dismantle 63 isolated settlements. In exchange for the 5 percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third.

Bard said Barak also made previously unthinkable concessions on Jerusalem, agreeing that Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new Palestinian state.

The Barak proposal also addressed the refugee issue, guaranteeing them the right of return to the Palestinian state and reparations from an international fund that would be collected to compensate them.

Barak began referring to the 'Holy of Holies' (Aryeh Dayan, Ha'aretz)

In early September 2000, about two months after Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat returned empty-handed from the failed summit at Camp David, a series of clandestine meetings was held in Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians. Most of them took place in an isolated private home in the western Jerusalem suburb of Ein Karem and were meant to find a formula that would resolve the harsh dispute that broke out at the summit around the future of the Temple Mount.

The talks were held at the home of Dr. Moshe Amirav, the man who was appointed the day after the Camp David debacle as the prime minister's adviser on the issue of a permanent settlement in Jerusalem.

Seated alongside Amirav during some of the conversations was Danny Yatom, who headed the political-security staff at the Prime Minister's office at the time. In these conversations, the late Faisal Husseini, who headed the Palestinian negotiating team on Jerusalem, represented the Palestinians.

The dispute over the Temple Mount had nothing to do with practical arrangements that would be implemented there. The crux of the dispute centered on sovereignty, and nothing else. While Arafat demanded that the entire Temple Mount — Haram al-Sharif in Arab terminology — would be under full and exclusive sovereignty of the Palestinians, Barak demanded that partial sovereignty over the site — which, to the disbelief of several of his colleagues in the Israeli delegation, he suddenly began to call "The Holy of Holies" — would remain in Israel's possession.

Amirav and Husseini, whose Ein Karem conversations took place with Barak and Arafat's knowledge, worked out a formula that both men believed would be able to circumvent this difference of opinion.

According to the proposal they drafted, the United Nations would establish a "commonwealth of states," in whose hands the Temple Mount would be entrusted. This commonwealth of nations would have 11 member states: the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian state that would be established as part of the peace treaty and Israel.

Ongoing administration of the Temple Mount, stated the document, would remain in the Waqf's domain, and Yasser Arafat "could be the guardian of the sites holy to Islam."

The Temple Mount, claims Amirav, is what prevented the sides from reaching agreement.

"The Camp David summit," explained Amirav in conversation with Ha'aretz, "became a 'Jerusalem summit,' perhaps even a 'Temple Mount summit.'" The three leaders who took part — Barak, Arafat and their host, U.S. President Bill Clinton — devoted, claims Amirav, "hundreds of hours" to discussions on Jerusalem in general and the Temple Mount in particular. "It may be hard to believe," says Amirav, "but Clinton himself spent hours poring over maps with Barak and Arafat."

It was Arafat's and Barak's stubborn insistence on sovereignty that prevented an agreement. rafat insisted on full and exclusive Palestinian sovereignty "both because he wanted to go down in history as having liberated the Temple Mount and because he wanted the Temple Mount to provide a pan-Muslim counterweight to the little State of Palestine."

But Barak wanted to go down in Jewish history as the man who gave Israel sovereignty, if only partial, over the Temple Mount.

Moshe Amirav calls this a "groundless assertion." He says in exchange for conceding the Temple Mount, Israel could have received the recognition of the entire world — including the Arab and Muslim world — both of its sovereign existence and Jerusalem as its capital. Sooner or later, he says, Israel will be forced to "get rid of the Temple Mount." He proposes that Israel "give the Temple Mount as a gift, not to Arafat, but to the leaders of the countries of Islam." If it does so, he believes Israel will receive the recognition of the entire Muslim world.

Bad Omen: Olmert Offers Palestinians Temple Mount Sovereignty

Aaron Klein of WorldNetDaily reported that on Tuesday, Aug. 28, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert presented the Palestinian Authority with a formal plan in which the Jewish state would forfeit the Temple Mount — Judaism's holiest site — to Muslim control, according to top Palestinian sources.

WND reported the sources said Olmert's plan calls for the entire Temple Mount plaza to fall under Arab sovereignty; Jerusalem's Old City holy sites near the Mount to be governed by a Jewish, Christian and Muslim task force; and the Western Wall plaza below the Mount to be controlled by Israel.

According to Palestinian negotiators who took part in the Olmert-Abbas meeting, Olmert also presented Abbas with a plan for Israel to evacuate most of the West Bank and cede eastern sections of Jerusalem. The plan called for Israel to retain three main settlement blocks; in exchange, Israel would offer the Palestinians Israeli-Arab towns in the north of the country, the Palestinian negotiators told WND.

Bush, Iran and Katrina

Later on Tuesday, Aug. 28, President George W. Bush told the 89th Annual Convention of the American Legion in Nevada: Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust. Iran's actions threaten the security of nations everywhere. And that is why the United States is rallying friends and allies around the world to isolate the regime, to impose economic sanctions. We will confront this danger before it is too late.


Bush also said, "We seek to advance a two-state solution for the Israelis and Palestinians so they can live side by side in peace and security. We seek justice and dignity and human rights for all the people of the Middle East." In another very symbolic and relevant irony, President Bush arrived in New Orleans later that day for his 15th trip to survey rebuilding progress on the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, which occurred on the heels of the expulsion of 9,500 Jews from their homes in Gaza and northern Samaria. The White House reported that the federal government has provided more than $114 billion for relief, recovery and rebuilding efforts — over $96 billion of which has been disbursed, or is available for, the states to draw from. Summary

This year’s total lunar eclipse/"blood-red" moon that rose over North America, occurred during a very symbolic and significant news day not only in Israel but in the United States too, this was not be accident or coincidence.

We also know the Bush Administration seems committed to a peace deal before they leave office. In Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's keynote message to the American Task Force on Palestine Inaugural Gala, "Helping Palestinians Build a Better Future," given in Washington, D.C. on Oct. 11, 2006, she stated: I can only tell you that I, too, have a personal commitment to that goal because I believe that there could be no greater legacy for America than to help to bring into being a Palestinian state for a people who have suffered too long, who have been humiliated too long, who have not reached their potential for too long, and who have so much to give to the international community and to all of us. I promise you my personal commitment to that goal.


Israel's secular leadership of Ehud Olmert, Ehud Barak and Shimon Peres are leading their nation into a very dangerous direction, not to forget the role George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice are playing. As I have shown over and over again in my book, Eye to Eye — Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel, the future won’t be good to those who attempt to divide God's covenant land and interfere with His plan for the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.

.................................................benny

Benny how can this be? A Rebuilt Holy Temple In 2008 or any year!

Russian ships are in the port in Syria, Hezbollah has strengthened itself in Gaza, Syrian troops have pushed down to their southern border with their aircraft boasting the world’s finest anti-aircraft weaponry.

At the border of Egypt and Gaza massive weapon and arms smuggling from Iran is rampant, plus Iran is boasting the ‘elimination’ of Israel yet somehow a Jewish Temple will be built? Who’s going to build it??

The Jews are going to be running for their LIVES, the text out of Luke 21:20 says,” When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know the ‘desolation’ there is near. 21 Then let them that are in Judea FLEE to the mountains; and let them in the midst of it DEPART OUT….

Who do you believe the antichrist will have build this temple. This is “another PET” of the 1970-80 ‘prophecy gurus’ that has no meat or even common sense to it!!!

It’s very clear in Revelation 11:1 Don’t measure the court that is WITHOUT A TEMPLE, do we not understand this?? It has been given to the Gentiles!!

The antichrist is going to come in and try to ‘ELIMINATE’ ALL resemblance of Israel and its Jewish Messiah, Jesus.

Why would he allow a Jewish Temple to be rebuilt, when Revelation 11:1-2 in its simplest understanding says otherwise!! It is being measured for the Millennial reign of Yeshua, that’s when it will be built and not before.

The "holy city"—Jerusalem—will be and has been since June 6, 2005, controlled by the Gentiles and NOT BY JEWS, for 42 lunar months.

The wilderness calls to the believing remnant, the ‘vision’ is true RUN WITH IT.

Giving Him the glory, gavrial

Dear Gavrial,....You quote..."Benny how can this be? A Rebuilt Holy Temple In 2008 or any year!"......There are many signs out there that are at this moment saying to the Bride of Jesus..."The Lord can return at any moment and catch us up to meet Him in the air".............I do not know for certainty if the rapture will be the next great event in God's plan to happen next,or if Isaiah 17;1 will happen first?.....but both events are extremely very very near.......I say this with a knowing in my heart.......As I said I do not know which will happen first, but I think about Abraham asking God that if He should find 50 righteous men in sodom, would He not spare it for the sake of the fifty righteous........I feel that there are a few righteous in Damascus......This is a curious after thought of mine on this matter...........But regardless....Both events will give the citizens of earth a shock that they will never forget.........And people will realize that the world that they once lived in will never be the same again as they once knew it.................Isaiah 17;1 will find Israel very wounded.............That in combination of the event called the rapture.......Russia and the islamic nations will take advantage of Israels wound and the confusion and disaray of the world, by reason of those two events......When God destroys 5/6ths of russia and islamic armies on the mountains of Israel......there will be no one to stand in Israels way in building the third temple.............................It is very obvious that a major war could break out in the Middle East ....any day.........And that Russia is a source for all the tention...........I personally believe that the rapture is breath takenly close.....and that the tribulation period is now casting it's shadow upon all the world.............................For those who have not yet made a decision to ask The Lord Jesus into their hearts....I urge you to do so quickly.......Time is running out....................................................................................................................benny

Benny how can this be? A Rebuilt Holy Temple In 2008 or any year!

With GOD all things are possible!

benny balerio on Sept 2, 2007 at 10:42 PM in post #120732 said,

Dear Gavrial,....You quote..."Benny how can this be? A Rebuilt Holy Temple In 2008 or any year!"......

"There are many signs out there that are at this moment saying to the Bride of Jesus..."The Lord can return at any moment and catch us up to meet Him in the air".............I do not know for certainty if the rapture will be the next great event in God's plan to happen next,or if Isaiah 17;1 will happen first?..

Benny, click this link, your not understanding the 'wilderness first' scenario, this link will help. Jeremiah 50:31-32 is the next "great event", nothing will happen to Israel until the "Hammer of the whole earth is torn asunder and broken" Jeremiah 50;23-24

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=12148

Benny, May the Lord bless you, Gavrial

I know this is between you two, but I have a real problem when anyone states an exact date and day for the rapture or any other event. No one knows the day or time, not even the angels in heaven! These are determined by GOD alone at the time He has chosen!


mikem

I don't see any "rebuilt Temple" in these End-Times. Prophecy dos not necessitate it.

Shalom.

Silence in the Face of Continued Temple Mount Destruction

by Hillel Fendel


(IsraelNN.com) As an Arab bulldozer continues to dig away at the current Temple Mount floor, evidence is mounting that actual walls from the Second Temple are being destroyed. The world is silent, while Prime Minister Olmert continues talks with the Palestinian Authority regarding future sovereignty over the holy area.

The actual digging, under the auspices of the Moslem Waqf [religious trust to which Israel has assigned responsibility for the Temple Mount - ed.], has been ongoing for several weeks. Only over the past 8-10 days, however, has attention been paid to the dangers of the barely supervised works. The Waqf claims that the purpose of the 400-meter-long, 1.5-meter deep trench is to replace electric cables in the area.

Discarding a Temple Wall, Piece by Piece
For the Jews, however, the trench represents more than just better lighting. Under the current floor of the Temple Mount compound lie the remains of the Second Holy Temple, largely untouched since it was destroyed by the Romans nearly 1,950 years ago. For pieces of one of the Temple courtyard office walls to be unceremoniously bulldozed up and discarded - as archaeologists such as Drs. Eilat Mazar and Gavriel Barkai believe has happened - is all but traumatic for Jews who have been praying for centuries to see the Temple rebuilt.

A week ago, Temple expert Dr. Gavriel Barkai told Arutz-7 that according to his, and others', calculations, the route of the trench passes precisely through the spot where one or more of the office walls stood the day of the Roman destruction.

"Some man-worked stones have been found in the trench," Barkai said at a press conference last week, "as well as remnants of a wall that, according to all our estimations, are from a structure in one of the outer courtyards in the Holy Temple."

Shortly afterwards, Dr. Mazar examined a photo of the trench, clearly showing a chopped-up carved stone. Mazar said the damaged stone displays elements of the Second Temple era, and might well be part of the Jewish Temple. She says she needs to view it up close; but the Waqf does not allow her to do so.

Waqf Stops TV Crew
In fact, the Waqf is so protective of the dig and its finds that it has tried to stop all photographing of the area. Rabbi Chaim Richman of the Temple Institute reported that his camera was confiscated before he was allowed to visit the site this week, and WND's Aaron Klein and an InfoLive.TV camera crew were prevented from taking pictures of the dig on Thursday.

Waqf guards backed up by the Israeli police stopped Klein and InfoLive.TV from approaching open sections of the trench, and told Klein he could only film closed areas. Sections of the massive trench were being closed up with dirt before archeologists were able to inspect the site.

Footage of the Klein-InfoLive team being barred from filming can be seen here.

Olmert's Role
Israel's Antiquities Authority, apparently by order of Prime Minister Olmert, has not demanded an end to the construction work, and has stationed only one employee there to "supervise." The construction is underway while reports abound of a deal between Olmert and PA leader Abbas regarding a future handover of eastern Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount, to the PA.

It appears that only archaeologists and Temple activists in Jerusalem are incensed. "If Israel was building a shopping mall," said Rabbi Richman, "and they found what might be an ancient Buddhist structure, the government would stop the construction and have archaeologists go over the area with a fine tooth comb."

"But here," he continued, speaking with WND, "the holiest site in Judaism is being damaged, a Temple wall was found, and Israel is actively blocking experts from inspecting the site while allowing the destruction to continue."

Richman charged the Waqf with "trying to erase Jewish vestiges from the Temple Mount," in keeping with the claim by many Moslems that the Temple never actually existed.

"This is an extraordinarily serious offense," Richman told Arutz-7. "A corrupt, spiritually bankrupt government is allowing Judaism's holiest site to be trashed... Jews in Israel and abroad are asleep, and have not awakened to the importance of the Temple in Judaism or the desecration of this holy site being performed daily by the Waqf."

Islamic Connection to Jerusalem - Weak
Former Israeli Ambassador to Egypt Moshe Sasson, an expert on Islamic affairs, summed up for Arutz-7 the exact nature of Islam's connection to Jerusalem: "The Caliph Abd El-Malik, when he moved his center of power from Damascus to Jerusalem, sought to build up the importance of Jerusalem as an Islamic center, and built the mosques there. The Al Aksa mosque was built 621 years after Mohammed's death. Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran (it is mentioned 667 times in the Bible), and the Al Aksa mosque is mentioned only once - and even that is not a reference to the mosque of today. In verse 1 of chapter 17, the Koran states that Allah transported Mohammed from Mecca to Al-Aksa; but this cannot be referring to the mosque in Jerusalem, because when Mohammed was alive, there were no mosques there. Rather, it refers to the 'end' (aktsa, in Arabic) of the sky."

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Exclusive: Rabbis Invited For Pre-Annapolis Temple Mount Talks

by Ezra HaLevi


(IsraelNN.com) Israel’s Chief Rabbis and the Chief Rabbi of Haifa have been invited to the White House for pre-Annapolis talks to explain the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount.

Chief Rabbis Yonah Metzger and Shlomo Amar, as well as the Chief Rabbi of Haifa and Chairman of the Chief Rabbinate Communications Committee Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen departed Saturday evening for a series of meetings to clarify to US leaders that the Temple Mount is Judaism's holiest site.

Ahead of the Annapolis Conference, the Bush administration is trying to gauge Israel’s “red lines” and examine the possibility of relinquishing the Temple Mount to Islam.

Despite the fact that many rabbis both visit and encourage other Jews to visit the Temple Mount in the manner permitted by Jewish law, the chief rabbinate says that Jews should not visit the Temple Mount. A large sign is affixed to the path leading to the Mount saying it is “forbidden for Jews to visit the Mount according to Jewish law.”

All three rabbis agree that the Temple Mount must remain under Jewish sovereignty. However, the chief rabbis believe the mount should be closed to all since a special level of ritual purity must be obtained before ascending to the site of the Jewish Holy Temple. Rabbi Cohen believes the Temple Mount should be open to Jewish worship and a synagogue should be constructed there.

Second Such Meeting
Arutz-7's Yedidya HaCohen reports that a secret meeting on the matter took place two weeks ago during one of the recent visits by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Jerusalem. The meeting dealt with Jerusalem’s holy sites and was attended by Rabbi Cohen, as well as Muslim and Christian religious leaders. The meeting lasted over two hours.

Muslim leaders aired their claim that “the Jews want to destroy the Al-Aksa Mosques” and their oft-heard denial that there was ever a Jewish temple at the site. The chief Mufti has already declared that Jews should not be allowed to pray at the site. Recent archaological finds from the First Temple have not tempered Muslim denial of pre-Islamic history on the mount, as well as the Western Wall.

Rabbi Cohen responded to those present: “It is forbidden to deny that the Jews had our Holy Temple at that site. It is forbidden to forget that King David purchased the Temple Mount, King Solomon built the Holy Temple and Ezra the Scribe rebuilt it as well [after it was destroyed –ed.]. All who come afterward must recognize the rights of those who came first. Although I do not propose the demolition of the mosques, the Muslims must remember that they are there due to us.”

Rabbi Cohen also recalled the historical fact that the Muslim Caliph Omar Suleiman built a synagogue on the Temple Mount where Jews prayed, and that it was later destroyed by another Caliph.

In summation, Rabbi Cohen told Rice and the other religious leaders that he is completely opposed to any withdrawal from the Temple Mount and site of the Holy Temple.

Rice reportedly responded: “Honorable rabbi, I understand you well. I am the daughter of a priest and the granddaughter of a priest, I learned the Bible and know what is written there.”

Rice said, at the conclusion of the meeting, that she understood that religious matters were at the root of the disagreements ahead of the conference. “If this matter is not solved, then nothing will be solved,” she said. Those at the meeting reported her demeanor as tense.

As a follow-up, the invitations to the Chief Rabbis to the White House for three days of meetings were issued. The meetings, which will be attended by members of the Islamic Wakf and Christian leaders, will reportedly deal with a proposal similar to that floated by Vice Premier Chaim Ramon (Kadima). According to the proposal, the Jerusalem “Holy Basin” – meaning the Old City and surrounding areas – would be administered by a joint committee and not remain under Israeli sovereignty. According to Ramon’s plan, the Western Wall and Temple Mount would remain under Israeli control, but the Americans are reportedly pushing to see the Temple Mount relinquished as well.

Sources connected to the Chief Rabbinate say there is great significance to the inclusion of Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen, who has declared publicly that he will fight such a plan and not just take part in the inter-religious arrangements being planned for the Holy City. Rabbi Cohen’s position that the Temple Mount must be opened to Jewish prayer is well known, as well as his call for the establishment of a synagogue on the Mount.

Also joining the rabbinic delegation are Chairman of the Chief Rabbinate Oded Weiner and Rabbi David Rosen, former chief rabbi of Ireland and the head of the World Committee for Jewish-Christian relations.

Conference Mirrors Pre-State Events
The meetings resemble similar discussions by the British Shaw Committee that took place 80 years ago. Those meetings aimed to determine to whom the Western Wall belonged. Former Israel Chief Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak HaKohen Kook went before the committee to offer his perspective, while the committee honored the Muslim Mufti by coming to his office adjacent to the Temple Mount.

Rabbi Kook presented the committee with arguments for Jewish rights to pray at the site and emphasized its holiness. When asked to bring supporting proof, Rabbi Kook responded: “By relying on documents, we are liable to weaken this truth, which is among those that are so well known that it is not in need of proof. It is similar to one who raises a candle to increase the brightness of the sun’s light…It is known that this site is enwrapped in the same holiness of our Holy Temple.”

Later in the deliberations, the heads of the Zionist establishment agreed to relinquish claims of ownership of the Western Wall and receive only the right to pray at the site. In response to the initiative, Rabbi Kook responded: “G-d forbid we give up the Western Wall; we have not received power of attorney from the Nation of Israel!”


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Interesting, but this might just be something that this rabbi believes based upon mystical knowing, not based on facts. But if nothing else it shows the anticipation.

I like your run down of events during the tribulation, although I am not certain of the timing of the rapture myself. I don't believe that the bible is clear on that matter, and this is why there are so much disagreement about this among those who take bible prophecy seriously.

There are several verses that speak about 'an abomination that causes desolation' in the inner temple (shrine). But this does not mean that there has to be the whole huge temple rebuilt, only the inner temple area, something that could be built in a few weeks if necessary.