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C
QUOTE(benny balerio @ May 21 2007, 06:35 PM) [snapback]113144[/snapback]



In Bible prophecy, we're told that the Antichrist to come is going to enter a rebuilt Holy Temple of the Jewish people at the midpoint of the seven-year Tribulation Period to come in what is commonly referred to as the abomination of desolation, one description of which is found in Daniel 9:27:


What on God's earth makes you think that ANY building built by ANY people on the planet will be HOLY.

I , for the life of me, cannot see HOW anybody who has ever read the Bible can say something so blasphemous. NO Christian who understands the price that Jesus paid, would dare to make such a statement.
If the unsaved and unholy Jews, decided to get together and pack some stones on top of each other and grab a goat or two and a heifer and stick it onto a pile of stone to sacrifice the poor thing: ....ANY Christians will tell you it is USELESS, because the building is UNHOLY, the time of sacrifice is OVER.
Man , who does not get it? Jesus was the FINAL sacrifice, the PERFECT sacrifice.

Jerusalem is not holy anymore, God left the building, the city and the people. Only a remnant will be saved in the same manner as you and I. Salvation by faith in Jesus and they MUST be cleansed by the blood.

Ask Paul, it happened to him. He did not get a special deal because he was Jewish.It was Jesus or nothing !!

So please just somebody get it: There will and cannot EVER be a Holy of Holies again.
The ONLY Holy of Holies is IN US: WE ARE THE TEMPLE.


C
Stephen
"The ONLY Holy of Holies is IN US: WE ARE THE TEMPLE"

But the corporate "antichrist" [according to corporate theology] will sit in the temple of God. So he will sit in you. How absurd is this teaching? You are the "temple" ..... what a joke.

There will be no rebuilt tribulation temple [structural] of the Lord's on the mount and the "antichrist" will sit in the temple [Al-Aqsa] of "his" god [Allah ..... a cover for satan].

The Al-Aqsa mosque has the inscription written inside "god has no son". This is Islamic teaching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque
flaja
Does anyone know right off if the Bible ever says how long it took to build Solomon’s Temple?

Would temple that the Antichrist will agree to have built be built using modern materials, machinery and construction techniques, or would Biblical materials, machinery and construction techniques be used? How long will it take to build the Antichrist’s temple to the point where it would be “suitable” for Hebraic use? Will it be within the 3 1/2 years allotted by prophecy, or will the Antichrist take over the temple before it is completed to Biblical standards?
wernotalone
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QUOTE(benny balerio @ May 21 2007, 06:35 PM) [snapback]113144[/snapback]



In Bible prophecy, we're told that the Antichrist to come is going to enter a rebuilt Holy Temple of the Jewish people at the midpoint of the seven-year Tribulation Period to come in what is commonly referred to as the abomination of desolation, one description of which is found in Daniel 9:27:


What on God's earth makes you think that ANY building built by ANY people on the planet will be HOLY.

I , for the life of me, cannot see HOW anybody who has ever read the Bible can say something so blasphemous. NO Christian who understands the price that Jesus paid, would dare to make such a statement.
If the unsaved and unholy Jews, decided to get together and pack some stones on top of each other and grab a goat or two and a heifer and stick it onto a pile of stone to sacrifice the poor thing: ....ANY Christians will tell you it is USELESS, because the building is UNHOLY, the time of sacrifice is OVER.
Man , who does not get it? Jesus was the FINAL sacrifice, the PERFECT sacrifice.

Jerusalem is not holy anymore, God left the building, the city and the people. Only a remnant will be saved in the same manner as you and I. Salvation by faith in Jesus and they MUST be cleansed by the blood.

Ask Paul, it happened to him. He did not get a special deal because he was Jewish.It was Jesus or nothing !!

So please just somebody get it: There will and cannot EVER be a Holy of Holies again.
The ONLY Holy of Holies is IN US: WE ARE THE TEMPLE.


C




I agree, but I believe there will be attempts to duplicate it....in all aspects. 1dsz5f1.gif
I agree C.
Every time I hear about them wanting to rebuild this Temple...I think of when Jesus Stood on the Mount of Olives with Moses and Elijah...and
the disciples where perplexed and said they wanted to build them a place to stay in smile.gif ....little did they know that at Pentecost they would be Filled with the HOLY GHOST...

The Bible tells us clearly that he will create a New Heaven and a New Earth and that the New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven...
Stephen
I will say this again:

There will be no tribulation temple of the Lord's on the mount. So has He said ..... not one stone will be standing during the time of the end ..... this is true at this time as well and this has been the case since the first century. There are no directives to rebuild a tribulation temple for the Lord in scripture. This idea comes from Paul's statement about the man of lawlessness who will sit in the temple of "his" god and not the Lord's temple. Paul understood heathen temple worship related to a pagan god. The next material temple for the Lord on the earth will be build during His millennial reign. The new Jerusalem for the new heavens and earth is a city and not a temple at all. There will be no temple in it just as stated in Revelation 21.

The idea that there is no reference to a physical building of the Lord's temple, but to the human body and mind by those who hold "corporate" theological teaching is absurd. That there is no literal "antichrist", and that the "man" of lawlessness is a "type" of human intransigence is also absurd. The temple that satan's dupe will sit in is a physical structure which will be located on the temple mount. The scriptural teaching that the believer is a temple of God describes the Lord's resident Holy Spirit in the believer and is a totally different matter and has nothing to do with the Lord's temple in heaven or a material building on the mount on the earth. This variant teaching of the "corporate" thelogian is highly deceptive and false. So are the other "corporate" subjects like the "man child" of Revelation 12. This is the Lord Himself and not the "corporate" super church spread by this "corporate" apostate teaching.
C
Dan 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

So according to you the sacrifice that gets stopped, gets stopped where? Where were God's people sacrificing , when they got stopped?
C
BrotherJon
Jesus left the Jewish temple "desolate" as a judgment before He gave His physical life as an atoning sacrifice for us.

Judgment--
Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her own brood under her wings, and ye would not!
(Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Fulfillment--
Mar 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom.

From this moment on into eternity---God has left the building, folks...never to return to a building made with hands. THIS is what "desolation" means and it will happen to ALL who take the physical mark of the beast.

Rev 14:11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

Here is how I see this PATTERN in scripture. In the betrayal of Christ by Judas.


Look carefully at this clear description of the "abomination that makes desolate"

Luk 22:3 And Satan entered into Judas (This is the spirit of Antichrist entering the temple and claiming to be god) who was called Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
Luk 22:5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money. (Judas took the mark for money,i.e. buying and selling..he sold the Lord out for the things of the world= 666)
Mat 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver into the sanctuary, and departed; and he went away and hanged himself.

He was desolated by this act of treason...can you see it?

The traditional teaching that I've heard for over 25 years is very much stuck in the letter of the Word (which killeth) It goes like this----

A very charismatic world leader will arise and deceive everyone (except the elect) He will gain world dominion and march into the rebuilt third temple and will sit physically in the Holy of Holies and claim to be God. This is the letter which killeth but the Spirit gives life.
C
QUOTE(Stephen @ Nov 11 2007, 07:21 AM) [snapback]129479[/snapback]

I will say this again:

The idea that there is no reference to a physical building of the Lord's temple, but to the human body and mind by those who hold "corporate" theological teaching is absurd. That there is no literal "antichrist", and that the "man" of lawlessness is a "type" of human intransigence is also absurd. The temple that satan's dupe will sit in is a physical structure which will be located on the temple mount. The scriptural teaching that the believer is a temple of God describes the Lord's resident Holy Spirit in the believer and is a totally different matter and has nothing to do with the Lord's temple in heaven or a material building on the mount on the earth. This variant teaching of the "corporate" thelogian is highly deceptive and false. So are the other "corporate" subjects like the "man child" of Revelation 12. This is the Lord Himself and not the "corporate" super church spread by this "corporate" apostate teaching.




I know its easy to teach that "satan's dupe will sit in a physical structure" That is exactly the same approach the Pharisees and Sadducees used when they taught the people about Jesus. They taught the people that the Messiah will come as a physical (letter) King, to rule Israel.
So when He came as a spiritual King to rule in the hearts of ALL Israel (the people of the Kingdom) THEY MISSED HIM.

Now we have the same thing happening ! You are very much part of that movement that is taking the people of God and taking them AGAIN into a place where they will not see the truth. The truth is spiritually discerned (as in the time of Jesus as well)

We HAVE a perfect example and yet you insist to teach the mistake again.

People of God: MANY of you will fall for this delusion. I cannot help you, only God can help you.
If you are sincere about your eternity, ASK GOD, and do not listen to men: DO not even listen to me.

Men are men and we all make mistakes. ONLY the Holy Spirit opens eyes..that is why Jesus so many times we talking to those "Who have eyes to see" ........because MOST DO NOT SEE.

Its a remnant that will see. That is why the majority (opposite to REMNANT) go with the letter. Its human nature to go with the letter, that is why MOST believe the letter and so FEW see in the spirit.

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BrotherJon
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QUOTE(Stephen @ Nov 11 2007, 07:21 AM) [snapback]129479[/snapback]

I will say this again:

The idea that there is no reference to a physical building of the Lord's temple, but to the human body and mind by those who hold "corporate" theological teaching is absurd. That there is no literal "antichrist", and that the "man" of lawlessness is a "type" of human intransigence is also absurd. The temple that satan's dupe will sit in is a physical structure which will be located on the temple mount. The scriptural teaching that the believer is a temple of God describes the Lord's resident Holy Spirit in the believer and is a totally different matter and has nothing to do with the Lord's temple in heaven or a material building on the mount on the earth. This variant teaching of the "corporate" thelogian is highly deceptive and false. So are the other "corporate" subjects like the "man child" of Revelation 12. This is the Lord Himself and not the "corporate" super church spread by this "corporate" apostate teaching.




I know its easy to teach that "satan's dupe will sit in a physical structure" That is exactly the same approach the Pharisees and Sadducees used when they taught the people about Jesus. They taught the people that the Messiah will come as a physical (letter) King, to rule Israel.
So when He came as a spiritual King to rule in the hearts of ALL Israel (the people of the Kingdom) THEY MISSED HIM.

Now we have the same thing happening ! You are very much part of that movement that is taking the people of God and taking them AGAIN into a place where they will not see the truth. The truth is spiritually discerned (as in the time of Jesus as well)

We HAVE a perfect example and yet you insist to teach the mistake again.

People of God: MANY of you will fall for this delusion. I cannot help you, only God can help you.
If you are sincere about your eternity, ASK GOD, and do not listen to men: DO not even listen to me.

Men are men and we all make mistakes. ONLY the Holy Spirit opens eyes..that is why Jesus so many times we talking to those "Who have eyes to see" ........because MOST DO NOT SEE.

Its a remnant that will see. That is why the majority (opposite to REMNANT) go with the letter. Its human nature to go with the letter, that is why MOST believe the letter and so FEW see in the spirit.

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AMEN!!! The Hidden Manna is just that...hidden from those who refuse to see the spirit of scripture because they have too much pride invested in their false traditional teachings that are the true deception. The Letter deceived the Pharisees...they thought they knew what Messiah would look like but they were WRONG and history repeats and those in this forum who see just the surface text will fall into the same pattern.....they will be deceived and deceiving////not knowing they are way off while accusing others of apostasy.

The outer court represents the BODY
The inner court represents the SOUL/MIND
The Holy of Holies represents the SPIRIT

Satan entered Judas (the temple) as Judas betrayed the Lord... Satan didn't enter ALL the Disciples...JUST JUDAS....so no one is saying Satan (Antichrist) will enter all Christians (temple)...just those who take the Mark of the Beast.

This is very clear and those with eyes to see will..... cool.gif

BrotherJon
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Doesn't the scripture say that WE are the temple of God????and that God will not dwell in a temple made with hands? Doesn't Jesus identify Judas as the son of perdition? Didn't Satan ENTER Judas (temple) and desolate him as he betrayed Jesus?

There will be no 3rd temple...and while people are looking to that as a landmark- the spirit of Antichrist will be indwelling the christians (the temple) who are falling away from Jesus JUST LIKE Judas did.....we must trust the scriptures and not the worn out traditions of men who could only see the letter and not the Spirit.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled. (Judas was a type of the son of perdition NOT antichrist)

2Cor. 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. ( the temple that Antichrist desolates is Christians who take the mark of the Beast and FALL AWAY-- the mark of the Beast IS the Abomination that makes desolate and it happens half way through the tribulation)

Rev 14:10-12 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. ( this is the desolation-judgment for taking the mark of the Beast)


This is the truth......don't have God rend the veil in twain in YOU.......store up the grain (Word) as Joseph did to prepare for the 7 years of famine that is upon us. The 7 years of plenty is ending as I write this....The economy is about to collapse. Don't trust any man or churches traditional teachings...do due diligence for yourself and see if these things be true based solely on that which is written.
C
QUOTE(Stephen @ Nov 11 2007, 07:21 AM) [snapback]129479[/snapback]

I will say this again:

The next material temple for the Lord on the earth will be build during His millennial reign. The new Jerusalem for the new heavens and earth is a city and not a temple at all. There will be no temple in it just as stated in Revelation 21.


I am writing this for the benefit of those who want to see. This is NOT, to change Stephen's mind.

Rev 3:12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.


SO: One section of this scripture describes what name (Greek : nature :character and authority) will be written on those who overcome.It will be the nature, character and authority of the "city of my God"

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God:

Christ in you the hope of glory.

. Mount Zion (the Kingdom of God) and Jerusalem (the Bride)

This spiritual Mt. Zion and its city, the New Jerusalem, are not physical and cannot be touched by carnal man. (Heb.12:18) For ye are not come unto [a mount] that might be touched… When the church was full of apostolic teaching and the Holy Spirit they submitted to the spiritual city of God. (22) but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels, (23) to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.
Please take note that Paul calls the believers the "city of the living God, the "heavenly Jerusalem" (the assembly and church)

So please do not settle for the letter. Please pray and study.

Mount Zion (in type) is the Kingdom of God and on top of that "mountain" is a "city: The Bride is that city.

There is no city coming of stone and pearl and precious stone in the letter. It is all spiritual. That city , dressed as a bride (clothing represents the righteous acts of the saints)Rev 19:8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

This revelation is so huge , I cannot write about it in one post.

C
BrotherJon
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Mount Zion (in type) is the Kingdom of God and on top of that "mountain" is a "city: The Bride is that city.

There is no city coming of stone and pearl and precious stone in the letter. It is all spiritual. That city , dressed as a bride (clothing represents the righteous acts of the saints)Rev 19:8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

This revelation is so huge , I cannot write about it in one post.

C


And each gate is made out of a single pearl--Letter

A gate is an entrance and pearls are made by the nastiest looking creatures on earth who have a grain of sand irritating their flesh which produces the beautiful pearl-Spirit

We all must enter through trials, pain and tribulation (death to self)....enduring the death to our flesh so that we would bear the beautiful fruit of Christ (Pearl)

Just a thought.....but yes, what a powerful understanding. WE are that City........Glory to God!
C
Interesting BroJon.
A few years ago, the Lord showed me the meaning of all the precious stones in the New Jerusalem. I have moved house twice and somewhere that book got lost. I must look it all up again, I am sure the Lord will show me again. I can remember that each stone from the bottom shows the progression of the believer.
I can remember, one stone (I think it is Amethyst) has holes in it and is "corrected" by adding oil (Holy Spirit, Christ in us) to it.
I will look for it.
C
Mouser
It's easy to see the spiritual side to this, Gal. 4:19 My little children of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, (meaning it was happening then, just not completed) Paul goes on to tell about the difference between the law and the spirit. On the one hand you have the Bond woman, and on the other you have the Free. vs. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (us all=believers) However this in no way does away with what God will do to natural Israel, and I don't think you are saying they will not do anything, as I've read C, talking about a remnant. It remains to see how big that remnant will be, and I'd like your references to that.
BrotherJon
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Interesting BroJon.
A few years ago, the Lord showed me the meaning of all the precious stones in the New Jerusalem. I have moved house twice and somewhere that book got lost. I must look it all up again, I am sure the Lord will show me again. I can remember that each stone from the bottom shows the progression of the believer.
I can remember, one stone (I think it is Amethyst) has holes in it and is "corrected" by adding oil (Holy Spirit, Christ in us) to it.
I will look for it.
C


I would LOVE to hear the rest of that revelation on the foundation stones.

Find it and share it, please!
wernotalone
Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and the LAMB are the temple of it.

23. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it; for the GLORY OF GOD did lighten it, and the Lamb is the LIGHT thereof.

24. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it.


Blessed is he that comes in the Name of the LORD....Zechariah 9:12 And I will strengthen them in the LORD: and they shall WALK UP and DOWN in HIS NAME, saith the LORD.
All of Zechariah is a beautiful picture of the Returning King of Kings, in the meantime the preparation of his coming again as he walks before us and prepares his Kingdom within us....Now we are the suffering servant, at the hands of the sins of the World, as it has been since the Fall in the Garden of Eden...and now all those surrendering at the Cross he will strengthen by his Grace we are saved (REMNANT)....nothing that I can do of myself...but Christ that lives within each believer...willing to lay it all down for his glory and honour. To Love the Lord our God with all our hearts and with all our minds and with all our spirit, and our neighbor as thyself. but he will direct our course and give us courage in HIM.

Conquering King: 8:1. AGAIN the word of the LORD of hosts came to me saying,

2. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury.

3. THUS saith the LORD: I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in THE MIDST of Jerusalem, and JERUSALEM SHALL BE CALLED A CITY OF TRUTH; and the MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD OF HOST THE HOLY MOUNTAIN.


He is the All consuming FIRE...taking away all untruth, and nothing but the TRUTH shall set us Free.




25. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day; for there shall be no night there.

26. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie; but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
crownsevenalphabet
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Ezekiel 36:24-29 For I will take you (Israel) from among the heathen, (nations) and gather you out of all countries, (diaspora) and will bring you into your own land. (partial physical restoration) Then (afterwards) will I (God) sprinkle clean water (spiritual restoration) upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit (spiritual rebirth) will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart (blindness and hard-heartedness) out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land (realization of a permanent physical full land-covenant) that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, (fruitful land- Millennial Kingdom) and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.


It's almost impossible for me to read this portion of scripture without tears.
A people lost restored? People that have been Gods vessel of demonstration to humanity for thousands of years.... Who can not fear the Lord?

IPB Image

Almost looks like the remnants of a concentration camp... unsure.gif But then...

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COMMENTARY FROM crownsevenalphabet:
This is some Dry bones posting data, that seems very clear within your posting !
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry126267

crownsevenalphabet Oct 26 2007, 10:36 AM Post #23


Praise God(IHVH), for bone #11 ! To use bone #11 to raise my arms
in praise, thankful I am for bone #11.
I stand on the `The Valley of the Dry Bones Will Come Alive`, which
bone #11, is part of !

Click here: List of bones of the human skeleton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bones..._human_skeleton
A typical adult human skeleton consists of the following 206-350 bones depending on age, though this number does vary owing to a variety of anatomical variations; for example, a small portion of the human population have an extra rib, or an extra lumbar vertebra.

IN THE ARMS ARE (6) BONES :


11. humerus


So, do we `avoid` bone #11, called : Humerus ?

Due to somebody's belief that the number 11 (eleven), is demonic ?
Or do we Praise God (IHVH), for the healing wisdom of science,
which was manifested via God (IHVH), into the heart & minds of
mankind, by the Father ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humerus
The humerus is a long bone in the arm or fore-legs (animals) that runs from the shoulder to the elbow. On a skeleton, it fits between the scapula and the ulna. It consists of the following three sections:

Upper extremity of humerus
Body of humerus
Lower extremity of humerus


http://www.jimfeeney.org/valleyofdrybones.html
The Valley of the Dry Bones Will Come Alive
by Pastor Jim Feeney, Ph.D.

vs. 5-6 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: “I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. [6] I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.”

vs. 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone.

crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Nov 11 2007, 01:51 AM) [snapback]129492[/snapback]

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Mount Zion (in type) is the Kingdom of God and on top of that "mountain" is a "city: The Bride is that city.

There is no city coming of stone and pearl and precious stone in the letter. It is all spiritual. That city , dressed as a bride (clothing represents the righteous acts of the saints)Rev 19:8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

This revelation is so huge , I cannot write about it in one post.

C


And each gate is made out of a single pearl--Letter

A gate is an entrance and pearls are made by the nastiest looking creatures on earth who have a grain of sand irritating their flesh which produces the beautiful pearl-Spirit

We all must enter through trials, pain and tribulation (death to self)....enduring the death to our flesh so that we would bear the beautiful fruit of Christ (Pearl)

Just a thought.....but yes, what a powerful understanding. WE are that City........Glory to God!



COMMENTARY : via crownsevenalphabet
Yes BrotherJon, Praise God (IHVH) . . . dearest seeker of the Father, yes, you are so correct !

http://thecrownsevenalphabets.blogspot.com/
At your birth, your soul already wanted to stand in front of the `Pearl Gate.`

And the seven crown alphabets are pathway's reminding your
soul, about the journey toward the `opening` of Gate #7, called : Pearl Gate. . .
( survival, into e t e r n i t y )
Only `The Holy Spirit`, can grant the human spirit, entrance into
these gates.

Much love BrotherJon, I praise God (IHVH) for your spiritual wisdom from Holy Spirit !
BrotherJon
We will have eternity to worship His Majesty in complete unity and clear vision...we will see Him as He is ... and we will be like Him!!!

Thanks for your kind posts.

Blessings of the King to you!
Divinespark
Hi,

Some of the postings in this topic make objections against the re-introduction of sacrifice in a rebuilt temple. Their argument is that sacrifices don't need to be done anymore, because Jesus at a certain point in history made the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices", so to speak.

In the Bible itself, the crucifixion is mentioned as a sacrifce only far after the event. Not by Jesus Himself but by a humen being. I hold it possible that it is a metaphor, or the improper use of the word, other than its "at face value" or original meaning. Jesus Himself speaks about the crucifixion as a metaphor on demolition and reconstruction of the temple, not as a sacrifice. Would this mean that christians and Jews alike should not build any churches or synagogues because Jesus has already built one? In my opinion: no. If christians from non-Jewish origin have objections to sacrificing, it sounds a little bit xenophobic to me. They have no objection to a habit they are used to (i.e. building churches) but only select to oppose a habit alien to them, and that is sacrificing goats, rams, cows and so on, which they have not been accustomed to from their own childhood on. Would be different if they were raised as Jews from the beginning on, and in a Jewish culture not interrupted by its own sins or pagan invasions.

This use of the word "sacrifice" is to me just a word-game, at its best a kind of metaphor or, at its worst, the improper use of the word sacrifice. Metaphor: like a soldier sacrificing his life on the battlefield, for some Great Cause. Anyway I think the argument is too vague to use passages in the bible like the one mentioning it as a sacrifice, as a ground to judge the people of Israel by, whether or not they should sacrifice! Why would anyway Americans or any other non-Jewish nation do that? The Jews are independent, self-determining, and only responsible to God.

As far as Jesus MIGHT be considered (partly) of human nature, as long as He walked around on this earth in a human body: Human sacrifice is not regarded as OK, an example of this is when the Bible has its opinion about human sacrifices done in Canaan and this opinion is certainly not in favour of that (the land consumes its people). Several things have happened during the "sacrifice" of Jesus which are either not kosher, or sinful, or both (flowing of human blood, mocking religion, violence against innocent, even more: violence against Jesus).

So, enfin, I would have no objections against the reintroduction of sacrificing, in a rebuilt temple.
If the Arabs have problems with that, why don't they convert to Judaism? It's not the problem of the Jews anyway.

If Jesus and prophets had their "objections" against sacrificing, it was certainly not against sacrificing as such, but against not doing it from your heart (both prophets and Jesus used it this way) but only outwardly, like a hypocrite. Other objections against sacrificing is that one could better prevent the type of sacrifice you need to have a sin forgiven, by less sinning. This does not at all mean, nor even suggest, that sacrificing as such, by divine laws, would suddenly be abolished.

There is no reason for me to believe that Jesus abolished the Law of the Old Testament. He mainly laid different priorities than others, but still within the framework of the Law. And like the Old Testament, it should be done from the heart and not only superficially. Matthew 3 also points this way, nothing of it will be abolished, and it is not allowed to remove parts of it or advise things like that to others. This "fulfillment" of the Law must have another meaning, like putting it into practice instead of abolishing it, with those priorities as Jesus laid.

If christians think it wiser to have their hearts OK, it doesn't mean that the exterior habits should be neglected, but both may be demanded from us people. Not only in your heart, or thoughts, but also in deeds.
What was actually preached was the Kingdom of Heavens, not so much the faith centering around the crucifixion even if I certainly agree that it was a major miracle with one of its effects Jesus becoming even more powerful afterwards. That's what He Himself said about it. He already said that people would be believing through HIM, even not mentioning the crucifixion at all as something essential to believe in. If you look at moments when Jesus contented Himself about someone's attitude, faith.

So I hope one can understand that in my heart and thoughts (deeds I hope will follow) are strongly in favour of rebuilding the temple and reintroducing sacrifice.

Greets, Divinespark
benny balerio
Exclusive: Rabbis Invited For Pre-Annapolis Temple Mount Talks

by Ezra HaLevi


(IsraelNN.com) Israel’s Chief Rabbis and the Chief Rabbi of Haifa have been invited to the White House for pre-Annapolis talks to explain the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount.

Chief Rabbis Yonah Metzger and Shlomo Amar, as well as the Chief Rabbi of Haifa and Chairman of the Chief Rabbinate Communications Committee Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen departed Saturday evening for a series of meetings to clarify to US leaders that the Temple Mount is Judaism's holiest site.

Ahead of the Annapolis Conference, the Bush administration is trying to gauge Israel’s “red lines” and examine the possibility of relinquishing the Temple Mount to Islam.

Despite the fact that many rabbis both visit and encourage other Jews to visit the Temple Mount in the manner permitted by Jewish law, the chief rabbinate says that Jews should not visit the Temple Mount. A large sign is affixed to the path leading to the Mount saying it is “forbidden for Jews to visit the Mount according to Jewish law.”

All three rabbis agree that the Temple Mount must remain under Jewish sovereignty. However, the chief rabbis believe the mount should be closed to all since a special level of ritual purity must be obtained before ascending to the site of the Jewish Holy Temple. Rabbi Cohen believes the Temple Mount should be open to Jewish worship and a synagogue should be constructed there.

Second Such Meeting
Arutz-7's Yedidya HaCohen reports that a secret meeting on the matter took place two weeks ago during one of the recent visits by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Jerusalem. The meeting dealt with Jerusalem’s holy sites and was attended by Rabbi Cohen, as well as Muslim and Christian religious leaders. The meeting lasted over two hours.

Muslim leaders aired their claim that “the Jews want to destroy the Al-Aksa Mosques” and their oft-heard denial that there was ever a Jewish temple at the site. The chief Mufti has already declared that Jews should not be allowed to pray at the site. Recent archaological finds from the First Temple have not tempered Muslim denial of pre-Islamic history on the mount, as well as the Western Wall.

Rabbi Cohen responded to those present: “It is forbidden to deny that the Jews had our Holy Temple at that site. It is forbidden to forget that King David purchased the Temple Mount, King Solomon built the Holy Temple and Ezra the Scribe rebuilt it as well [after it was destroyed –ed.]. All who come afterward must recognize the rights of those who came first. Although I do not propose the demolition of the mosques, the Muslims must remember that they are there due to us.”

Rabbi Cohen also recalled the historical fact that the Muslim Caliph Omar Suleiman built a synagogue on the Temple Mount where Jews prayed, and that it was later destroyed by another Caliph.

In summation, Rabbi Cohen told Rice and the other religious leaders that he is completely opposed to any withdrawal from the Temple Mount and site of the Holy Temple.

Rice reportedly responded: “Honorable rabbi, I understand you well. I am the daughter of a priest and the granddaughter of a priest, I learned the Bible and know what is written there.”

Rice said, at the conclusion of the meeting, that she understood that religious matters were at the root of the disagreements ahead of the conference. “If this matter is not solved, then nothing will be solved,” she said. Those at the meeting reported her demeanor as tense.

As a follow-up, the invitations to the Chief Rabbis to the White House for three days of meetings were issued. The meetings, which will be attended by members of the Islamic Wakf and Christian leaders, will reportedly deal with a proposal similar to that floated by Vice Premier Chaim Ramon (Kadima). According to the proposal, the Jerusalem “Holy Basin” – meaning the Old City and surrounding areas – would be administered by a joint committee and not remain under Israeli sovereignty. According to Ramon’s plan, the Western Wall and Temple Mount would remain under Israeli control, but the Americans are reportedly pushing to see the Temple Mount relinquished as well.

Sources connected to the Chief Rabbinate say there is great significance to the inclusion of Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen, who has declared publicly that he will fight such a plan and not just take part in the inter-religious arrangements being planned for the Holy City. Rabbi Cohen’s position that the Temple Mount must be opened to Jewish prayer is well known, as well as his call for the establishment of a synagogue on the Mount.

Also joining the rabbinic delegation are Chairman of the Chief Rabbinate Oded Weiner and Rabbi David Rosen, former chief rabbi of Ireland and the head of the World Committee for Jewish-Christian relations.

Conference Mirrors Pre-State Events
The meetings resemble similar discussions by the British Shaw Committee that took place 80 years ago. Those meetings aimed to determine to whom the Western Wall belonged. Former Israel Chief Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak HaKohen Kook went before the committee to offer his perspective, while the committee honored the Muslim Mufti by coming to his office adjacent to the Temple Mount.

Rabbi Kook presented the committee with arguments for Jewish rights to pray at the site and emphasized its holiness. When asked to bring supporting proof, Rabbi Kook responded: “By relying on documents, we are liable to weaken this truth, which is among those that are so well known that it is not in need of proof. It is similar to one who raises a candle to increase the brightness of the sun’s light…It is known that this site is enwrapped in the same holiness of our Holy Temple.”

Later in the deliberations, the heads of the Zionist establishment agreed to relinquish claims of ownership of the Western Wall and receive only the right to pray at the site. In response to the initiative, Rabbi Kook responded: “G-d forbid we give up the Western Wall; we have not received power of attorney from the Nation of Israel!”
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Miki
QUOTE(Divinespark @ Nov 15 2007, 05:33 PM) [snapback]130564[/snapback]

Hi,

Some of the postings in this topic make objections against the re-introduction of sacrifice in a rebuilt temple. Their argument is that sacrifices don't need to be done anymore, because Jesus at a certain point in history made the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices", so to speak.

In the Bible itself, the crucifixion is mentioned as a sacrifce only far after the event. Not by Jesus Himself but by a humen being. I hold it possible that it is a metaphor, or the improper use of the word, other than its "at face value" or original meaning. Jesus Himself speaks about the crucifixion as a metaphor on demolition and reconstruction of the temple, not as a sacrifice. Would this mean that christians and Jews alike should not build any churches or synagogues because Jesus has already built one? In my opinion: no. If christians from non-Jewish origin have objections to sacrificing, it sounds a little bit xenophobic to me. They have no objection to a habit they are used to (i.e. building churches) but only select to oppose a habit alien to them, and that is sacrificing goats, rams, cows and so on, which they have not been accustomed to from their own childhood on. Would be different if they were raised as Jews from the beginning on, and in a Jewish culture not interrupted by its own sins or pagan invasions.

This use of the word "sacrifice" is to me just a word-game, at its best a kind of metaphor or, at its worst, the improper use of the word sacrifice. Metaphor: like a soldier sacrificing his life on the battlefield, for some Great Cause. Anyway I think the argument is too vague to use passages in the bible like the one mentioning it as a sacrifice, as a ground to judge the people of Israel by, whether or not they should sacrifice! Why would anyway Americans or any other non-Jewish nation do that? The Jews are independent, self-determining, and only responsible to God.

As far as Jesus MIGHT be considered (partly) of human nature, as long as He walked around on this earth in a human body: Human sacrifice is not regarded as OK, an example of this is when the Bible has its opinion about human sacrifices done in Canaan and this opinion is certainly not in favour of that (the land consumes its people). Several things have happened during the "sacrifice" of Jesus which are either not kosher, or sinful, or both (flowing of human blood, mocking religion, violence against innocent, even more: violence against Jesus).

So, enfin, I would have no objections against the reintroduction of sacrificing, in a rebuilt temple.
If the Arabs have problems with that, why don't they convert to Judaism? It's not the problem of the Jews anyway.

If Jesus and prophets had their "objections" against sacrificing, it was certainly not against sacrificing as such, but against not doing it from your heart (both prophets and Jesus used it this way) but only outwardly, like a hypocrite. Other objections against sacrificing is that one could better prevent the type of sacrifice you need to have a sin forgiven, by less sinning. This does not at all mean, nor even suggest, that sacrificing as such, by divine laws, would suddenly be abolished.

There is no reason for me to believe that Jesus abolished the Law of the Old Testament. He mainly laid different priorities than others, but still within the framework of the Law. And like the Old Testament, it should be done from the heart and not only superficially. Matthew 3 also points this way, nothing of it will be abolished, and it is not allowed to remove parts of it or advise things like that to others. This "fulfillment" of the Law must have another meaning, like putting it into practice instead of abolishing it, with those priorities as Jesus laid.

If christians think it wiser to have their hearts OK, it doesn't mean that the exterior habits should be neglected, but both may be demanded from us people. Not only in your heart, or thoughts, but also in deeds.
What was actually preached was the Kingdom of Heavens, not so much the faith centering around the crucifixion even if I certainly agree that it was a major miracle with one of its effects Jesus becoming even more powerful afterwards. That's what He Himself said about it. He already said that people would be believing through HIM, even not mentioning the crucifixion at all as something essential to believe in. If you look at moments when Jesus contented Himself about someone's attitude, faith.

So I hope one can understand that in my heart and thoughts (deeds I hope will follow) are strongly in favour of rebuilding the temple and reintroducing sacrifice.

Greets, Divinespark


Wow...In favor of animal sacrifice. And not afraid to say it...Interesting..

My personal thought on it is....that in today's world animal sacrifice will not be allowed because of the out cry of animal activists but it will be done in secret. In fact l'm sure satan worshipers do it all the time... even human blood...

And wow to this...I've never heard anybody rationalize this word before?

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This use of the word "sacrifice" is to me just a word-game, at its best a kind of metaphor or, at its worst, the improper use of the word sacrifice.


I'm not trying to be a smarty...but wow...A spotless human sacrifice..once for all..even as the Pharisees spoke it...One born of a virgin..prophesied to come and die...even out of the lips of King David..?
A metaphor?
benny balerio
Long Term Objectives.............................from Temple Mount Faithful Home Page.

Liberating the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation. The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosque were placed on this Jewish or Biblical holy site as a specific sign of Islamic conquest and domination. The Temple Mount can never be consecrated to the Name of G-d without removing these pagan shrines. It has been suggested that they be removed, transferred to and rebuilt at Mecca.

Consecrating the Temple Mount to the Name of G-d so that it can become the moral and spiritual center of Israel, of the Jewish people and of the entire world according to the words of all the Hebrew prophets. It is envisioned that the consecration of the Temple Mount and the Temple itself will focus Israel on (a) fulfilling the vision and mission given at Mt. Sinai for Israel to be a chosen people separate unto G-d, a holy nation, and a nation of priests, and becoming a light unto all the nations [Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 42:6] so that the Name of G-d may be revered by all nations and the Biblical way of life may be propagated throughout the world.

Rebuilding the Third Temple in accordance with the words of all the Hebrew prophets. This temple will be a house of prayer for the people of Israel and all nations.

Providing a Biblical point of assembly in order that all Israel may fulfill the commandment to assemble three times annually at the times of G-d's festivals and at the place where G-d established His Name forever.

Making Biblical Jerusalem the real, undivided capital of the state of Israel.

Rejecting false "peace talks" which will result in the dividing of Israel and the breaking of G-d's covenant. G-d promised to Abraham and to his seed that the land and the borders of Israel are eternal and cannot be divided and given to other people and nations.

Supporting the settlements in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the Golan Heights as they are holy. No one is allowed to break the Word and the Will of G-d by commanding the settlers to leave. In the Biblical era, G-d commanded the people of Israel to settle the land completely. This command is applicable today. The holy connection and covenant between G-d, the People of Israel and the Land of Israel is eternal.

Short Term Objectives

To strengthen the organizational structure of the movement in Jerusalem in order to pursue its Long-Term objectives.

To raise the awareness of the people of Israel to the significance of their nation in G-d's plan of redemption. This will be accomplished in a number of ways including (a) youth education, formation of youth clubs, © publication and propagation of relevant educational materials.

To demonstrate the fulfillment of the TANACH to the people of Israel.

To publicly proclaim the message of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Movement in newspapers, flyers, posters, newsletters, radio and television.

To demonstrate publicly to raise awareness of Israel to the issue of the Third Temple, the Temple Mount and the Land of Israel.

To buy a house in the Old City (Biblical Jerusalem) near the Temple Mount to establish a spiritual and educational center to be used by everyone. The four-ton cornerstone will be stored and exhibited on this site. This first stone of the Third Temple will soon be laid.

To organize conferences for the study of the issues dealing with the Temple Mount and the Third Temple.

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Earendel
QUOTE(Divinespark @ Nov 15 2007, 12:33 PM) [snapback]130564[/snapback]

Hi,

Some of the postings in this topic make objections against the re-introduction of sacrifice in a rebuilt temple. Their argument is that sacrifices don't need to be done anymore, because Jesus at a certain point in history made the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices", so to speak.

In the Bible itself, the crucifixion is mentioned as a sacrifce only far after the event. Not by Jesus Himself but by a humen being. I hold it possible that it is a metaphor, or the improper use of the word, other than its "at face value" or original meaning. Jesus Himself speaks about the crucifixion as a metaphor on demolition and reconstruction of the temple, not as a sacrifice. Would this mean that christians and Jews alike should not build any churches or synagogues because Jesus has already built one? In my opinion: no. If christians from non-Jewish origin have objections to sacrificing, it sounds a little bit xenophobic to me. They have no objection to a habit they are used to (i.e. building churches) but only select to oppose a habit alien to them, and that is sacrificing goats, rams, cows and so on, which they have not been accustomed to from their own childhood on. Would be different if they were raised as Jews from the beginning on, and in a Jewish culture not interrupted by its own sins or pagan invasions.

This use of the word "sacrifice" is to me just a word-game, at its best a kind of metaphor or, at its worst, the improper use of the word sacrifice. Metaphor: like a soldier sacrificing his life on the battlefield, for some Great Cause. Anyway I think the argument is too vague to use passages in the bible like the one mentioning it as a sacrifice, as a ground to judge the people of Israel by, whether or not they should sacrifice! Why would anyway Americans or any other non-Jewish nation do that? The Jews are independent, self-determining, and only responsible to God.

As far as Jesus MIGHT be considered (partly) of human nature, as long as He walked around on this earth in a human body: Human sacrifice is not regarded as OK, an example of this is when the Bible has its opinion about human sacrifices done in Canaan and this opinion is certainly not in favour of that (the land consumes its people). Several things have happened during the "sacrifice" of Jesus which are either not kosher, or sinful, or both (flowing of human blood, mocking religion, violence against innocent, even more: violence against Jesus).

So, enfin, I would have no objections against the reintroduction of sacrificing, in a rebuilt temple.
If the Arabs have problems with that, why don't they convert to Judaism? It's not the problem of the Jews anyway.

If Jesus and prophets had their "objections" against sacrificing, it was certainly not against sacrificing as such, but against not doing it from your heart (both prophets and Jesus used it this way) but only outwardly, like a hypocrite. Other objections against sacrificing is that one could better prevent the type of sacrifice you need to have a sin forgiven, by less sinning. This does not at all mean, nor even suggest, that sacrificing as such, by divine laws, would suddenly be abolished.

There is no reason for me to believe that Jesus abolished the Law of the Old Testament. He mainly laid different priorities than others, but still within the framework of the Law. And like the Old Testament, it should be done from the heart and not only superficially. Matthew 3 also points this way, nothing of it will be abolished, and it is not allowed to remove parts of it or advise things like that to others. This "fulfillment" of the Law must have another meaning, like putting it into practice instead of abolishing it, with those priorities as Jesus laid.

If christians think it wiser to have their hearts OK, it doesn't mean that the exterior habits should be neglected, but both may be demanded from us people. Not only in your heart, or thoughts, but also in deeds.
What was actually preached was the Kingdom of Heavens, not so much the faith centering around the crucifixion even if I certainly agree that it was a major miracle with one of its effects Jesus becoming even more powerful afterwards. That's what He Himself said about it. He already said that people would be believing through HIM, even not mentioning the crucifixion at all as something essential to believe in. If you look at moments when Jesus contented Himself about someone's attitude, faith.

So I hope one can understand that in my heart and thoughts (deeds I hope will follow) are strongly in favour of rebuilding the temple and reintroducing sacrifice.

Greets, Divinespark


Concerning the Temple...the Jews may try and re-establish the daily sacrifice, but the sacrifice will enter the Temple on His own and sit in the Holy of Holies, and rule the world from there...His name is Jesus. He is the Sacrifice for sins!!
Godsword
crownsevenalphabet,

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Some of the postings in this topic make objections against the re-introduction of sacrifice in a rebuilt temple. Their argument is that sacrifices don't need to be done anymore, because Jesus at a certain point in history made the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices", so to speak.

Actually, Ezekiel indicates that there will be a Temple during the Millennium, during which animal sacrifices will take place in Jerusalem. Given that the Jews will apparently build the "Tribulation Temple" in unbelief, and will offer sacrifices there not understanding Who Jesus is, God will not consider their actions to be an "abomination", but will allow them to do so, knowing that a remnant will come to faith in Jesus and be saved out of the Tribulation period. After this, the Temple (whether the "Tribulation Temple", or a newly built one) during the Millennium will have animal sacrifices as remembrance of, as a symbol for, what Jesus did, and Who He is (the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world). After all, during the Millennium, there will be practically no overt sin and almost no suffering - no rampant crime, no geological disasters, no vile behavior. The apparent purpose of the Millennial sacrifices would be as a dramatic reminder of the reality and seriousness of Jesus' sacrifice.
Earendel
QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 8 2008, 12:10 PM) [snapback]148166[/snapback]

crownsevenalphabet,

QUOTE
Some of the postings in this topic make objections against the re-introduction of sacrifice in a rebuilt temple. Their argument is that sacrifices don't need to be done anymore, because Jesus at a certain point in history made the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices", so to speak.

Actually, Ezekiel indicates that there will be a Temple during the Millennium, during which animal sacrifices will take place in Jerusalem. Given that the Jews will apparently build the "Tribulation Temple" in unbelief, and will offer sacrifices there not understanding Who Jesus is, God will not consider their actions to be an "abomination", but will allow them to do so, knowing that a remnant will come to faith in Jesus and be saved out of the Tribulation period. After this, the Temple (whether the "Tribulation Temple", or a newly built one) during the Millennium will have animal sacrifices as remembrance of, as a symbol for, what Jesus did, and Who He is (the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world). After all, during the Millennium, there will be practically no overt sin and almost no suffering - no rampant crime, no geological disasters, no vile behavior. The apparent purpose of the Millennial sacrifices would be as a dramatic reminder of the reality and seriousness of Jesus' sacrifice.


If animal sacrifice is performed during the millennial reign of Jesus, it would make sense that it would only be symbolic only...much like taking communion today is symbolic. I do not accept that sacrifice will be made for sins. The sacrificial Lamb of God will Himself be seated in the Holy of Holies in the new Temple and there will be no need to sacrifice for sins with the blood of animals.

but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
Hebrews 10:12
benny balerio
QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 8 2008, 01:10 PM) [snapback]148166[/snapback]

crownsevenalphabet,

QUOTE
Some of the postings in this topic make objections against the re-introduction of sacrifice in a rebuilt temple. Their argument is that sacrifices don't need to be done anymore, because Jesus at a certain point in history made the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices", so to speak.

Actually, Ezekiel indicates that there will be a Temple during the Millennium, during which animal sacrifices will take place in Jerusalem. Given that the Jews will apparently build the "Tribulation Temple" in unbelief, and will offer sacrifices there not understanding Who Jesus is, God will not consider their actions to be an "abomination", but will allow them to do so, knowing that a remnant will come to faith in Jesus and be saved out of the Tribulation period. After this, the Temple (whether the "Tribulation Temple", or a newly built one) during the Millennium will have animal sacrifices as remembrance of, as a symbol for, what Jesus did, and Who He is (the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world). After all, during the Millennium, there will be practically no overt sin and almost no suffering - no rampant crime, no geological disasters, no vile behavior. The apparent purpose of the Millennial sacrifices would be as a dramatic reminder of the reality and seriousness of Jesus' sacrifice.


I agree with the words "because Jesus at a certain point in history made the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices", so to speak."

But what one has to keep in mind is that not all of Israel had excepted or recognized Jesus as the Son of God at that time in history........But there is a time coming in the near future when all of Israel will be saved smile.gif ......Our Lord Jesus stated to the Jews....."You would not except Me, but another will come in his own name, him you will except".Current events reveals that the Sanhedrin desire to establish the third temple and animal sacrafices..................................benny cool.gif
Charlie
QUOTE(benny balerio @ May 21 2007, 08:35 AM) [snapback]113144[/snapback]

May 19, 2007
A Rebuilt Holy Temple In 2008?
by Michael G. Mickey
(5-19-07)

A reader of my site, Robert Jackson, picked up on this little gem of information contained in a Haaretz article:

Rabbi Zalman Melamed, the head of the Beit El Yeshiva and a leader among West Bank rabbis, said, "Next year we will all go up freely to the Temple, which will be built, with the ashes of the red heifer, without disagreement and without questions."
Talk about BIG NEWS where Bible prophecy is concerned! If Melamed's words are true, the news is about as big as it gets!

In Bible prophecy, we're told that the Antichrist to come is going to enter a rebuilt Holy Temple of the Jewish people at the midpoint of the seven-year Tribulation Period to come in what is commonly referred to as the abomination of desolation, one description of which is found in Daniel 9:27:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


There is so much information contained in this one prophetic verse of scripture!

The 'he' spoken of is the Antichrist. It is the Antichrist who will confirm (or make strong) a covenant of peace in the Middle East seven precise years in length. It is important that we note that he is the one who will confirm a covenant of peace in the troubled Middle East, not necessarily the one who will author said covenant. His confirmation of peace will be supported by a group of many. The "many" could be the Arab League, the international Quartet or a yet-to-be-formed group. We just don't know.

At the midpoint of the seven-year covenant's duration, which will run concurrently with the prophesied seven-year Tribulation Period and be preceded by the Rapture of the Church, the Antichrist is going to declare himself to be god, enter a rebuilt Holy Temple and end the Jewish people's sacrificing of animals in accordance with their Old Testament-defined practices, and, thus, desecrate it. For this to occur, in fulfillment of Bible prophecy, the 3rd Holy Temple must be built --- and now we're hearing that it will be in 2008.

If the comments by Rabbi Zalman Melamed are true, Christians, the following is advisable:
Fasten your faith, lock your eyes in the upright position, and get ready to fly, potentially very soon!

Posted by Michael G. Mickey at 9:47 AM
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This is all trash to lead Gods sheep down the path to the valley of slaughter. When you see the weather disappear and the oceans and all waters turned to blood. Will you know then, that you have been preaching and teaching a false Christ?
benny balerio
Reestablished Sanhedrin Convenes to Discuss Temple




(IsraelNN.com) The recently re-established Sanhedrin - ideally, Judaism's top legal assembly - of 71 rabbis and scholars also moved to solidify logistical aspects of the body.

The Sanhedrin heard expert testimony on the various opinions as to the exact part of the Temple Mount upon which the Holy Temple stood. The fact that there has never been an archaeological expedition or dig on the Temple Mount, coupled with continuous Muslim efforts to destroy historical evidence of the Holy Temple at the site, have made determining the exact location difficult.

Identifying the spot on which the Temple stood is a matter of controversy among scholars, and has serious ramifications for those wishing to visit the Temple Mount. It is also critical for the renewal of the Passover sacrifice, and ultimately for the building of the third and final Holy Temple. While numerous opinions have been expressed throughout the years, and while several of them were expressed at the Sanhedrin gathering this week, the two main opinions state that the Temple stood either on the spot currently occupied by the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, or just to the north of that spot. An opinion that the Temple stood south of that spot, approximately behind the present-day Western Wall, was also presented - though most scholars basically discount it.

The opinion that it is impossible to determine the site of the Temple without prophecy was also presented.

Currently, observant Jewish visitors to the Temple Mount undergo strict preparations in accordance with halakhah (Jewish law), including - but not limited to - immersion in a mikveh (ritual bath) prior to ascending the Mount. Once on the Mount, they adhere to a specific route, based upon the accepted positions of rabbinical authorities. (A map of the permitted area reflecting the most central and widely-accepted route can be viewed by clicking here).

The opinions were delivered by rabbis, professors and archaeologists, all experts in the matter of the Temple Mount. A final presentation on the matter will be given to the Sanhedrin by a subcommittee now in formation. The subcommittee will thoroughly examine the various opinions, and present its findings to the Sanhedrin, which is then to make a decision on whether the site can be determined.

The founders of the new Sanhedrin stress that they are merely fulfilling a Biblical mitzvah (obligation). “It is a special mitzvah , based on our presence in Israel, to establish a Sanhedrin,” Rabbi Meir HaLevi, one of the 71 members of the new Sanhedrin, has explained. “The Rambam [12th-century Torah scholar Maimonides] describes the process exactly in the Mishnah Torah [his seminal work codifying Jewish Law]. When he wrote it, there was no Sanhedrin, and he therefore outlines the steps necessary to establish one."

During Temple times, the 71 members of the Sanhedrin, the center of Jewish jurisprudence, were seated in a semi-circle within a special chamber in the courtyard of the Temple.

“It is appropriate that the Sanhedrin convened to discuss this lofty matter [of the Temple's location] this week,” Sanhedrin spokesman Rabbi Chaim Richman told Arutz-7’s Ezra HaLevi, “as the Torah portion is Terumah – the portion of the Bible which begins to deal with the preparations for the Tabernacle. Though seemingly esoteric, the preparations for building a Tabernacle and the Temple are at the center of who we are as a people.”

Richman also said that it was heartening to see that despite talk of withdrawal from parts of the Land of Israel, and despite Prime Minister Sharon’s declaration that Israel has “given up its dreams,” the Sanhedrin continues to move toward strengthening the nation of Israel. “As all these things happen all around us," Rabbi Richman said, "the Sanhedrin is researching ways to renew the deepest roots of our faith – to renew Temple service, reunite Jewish legal tradition and inspire the Jewish people to aspire to greatness. Our people have one path before us, and we will continue to march toward our destiny.”

Sanhedrin member Rabbi Yisrael Ariel - former Yeshiva head, founder of the Temple Institute, and one of the paratroopers who took part in the 1967 liberation of the Temple Mount - said:
“People today ask, ‘Who are we in this generation to even consider building the Temple?’ But in this week’s Torah portion we see that the commandment to build a Temple was given to Jews who had just sinned and committed idolatry in the Sin of the Golden Calf. The fact is that what G-d requires in this world is for regular people to do their best. That is what we are trying to do.”

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benny balerio
Temple Institute working on blueprints for Third Temple
Written by Chris Perver
Sunday, 02 December 2007




Following last weeks announcement by the Temple Institute, that craftsmen have completed the manufacture of the Golden Crown of the High Priest, Rabbi Chaim Richman has provided further details on the organization's preparations for the building of the Third Temple. In an interview with Arutz 7 regarding the completion of the Golden Crown, Richman comments that the vessels presently being manufactured for use in the Temple are impure, until the day Israel is in possession of a Red Heifer and they can be cleansed according to the Law. "For one thing," he said, "they are made in impurity - for now we are impure, and will remain impure until we are able to have a Red Heifer whose ashes can be used in the Torah-prescribed purification ceremony. If no Red Heifer is available, then the High Priest must even serve in the Holy of Holies on Yom Kippur in a state of impurity". He also says the Temple Institute is presently engaged in several other projects relating to the rebuilding of the Temple...

Quote: "Asked what project they're working on at present, Rabbi Richman said, "We have begun work on 120 sets of garments for 'regular' priests, not the High Priest. This involves special thread from India, etc. In addition, we have begun work on architectural blueprints for the Third Temple, including cost projection, modern supplies, electricity, plumbing, computers, etc."

Richman states in the Arutz 7 article that the Golden Menorah, which is also loaned to the Temple Institute until the rebuilding of the Temple, is soon to be relocated to the steps that lead down from the Jewish quarter towards the Wailing Wall. He believes that through the rebuilding of the Temple, the Jewish people can bring the presence of God back into this world.

Quote: ""We are now approaching the holiday of Chanukah," Rabbi Richman continued, "which is the holiday that commemorates the re-dedication of the Holy Temple. We're not just building beautiful vessels; we're interested in granting G-d the dwelling place that He wants in this world; the Temple is not merely a building, but a way of bringing G-d into our lives in a very real way. And that is what we aim to do. This tzitz is G-d's Chanukah present to us, and our Chanukah gift to the Jewish People."

Richman is a member of the recently established Sanhedrin council. The group consists of 71 prominent rabbis and considers itself the highest ruling religious authority in the land of Israel. The Sanhedrin reformed on the 13th of October, 2004, for the first time in over 1600 years. They announced in 2005 that one of the tasks they are employed in is locating the exact site on which Herod's Temple once stood. They have also set themselves the task of choosing the modern state of Israel's first king, for they are entirely opposed to Israel's present democratic government. The Sanhedrin were recently investigated by the Israeli government regarding their staunch opposition to the disengagement from the Amona settlement in Samaria. Earlier in the year the Sanhedrin also sent a letter to every nation on earth, warning that the world is nearing a catastrophe, and that the only way to bring peace on earth is through the rebuilding of the Temple. If I were Jewish, I would probably say the same thing. But the Bible states that Israel will have no peace until they recognize their Messiah.

Matthews 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Luke 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Praise God that we don't need a Temple in order to experience God's presence in our lives. The Bible says that Jesus Christ has not entered into a Temple made with hands, but has now entered into heaven itself as our Great High Priest, to appear in the presence of God on behalf of those who believe (Hebrews 9:24). Jesus Christ has not entered the Holy of Holies in a "state of impurity", He entered it with the blood of the Lamb - His own precious blood, so that our sins might be forgiven. As the Red Heifer is sacrificed outside the gate of the city (Numbers 19), so Jesus Christ suffered for us outside the gate (Hebrews 13:12). And as the priest becomes unclean in slaying the Red Heifer, yet its ashes are used to cleanse the people, so Jesus Christ who knew no sin was made sin for us, so that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him (2nd Corinthians 5:21).

Would you like to be cleansed from all your sins? Would you like to know this Man, who is just and lowly, and having salvation (Zechariah 9:9)? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved (Acts 16:31).

Source Arutz 7, Sanhedrin, Jerusalem Post

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Mercy
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Charlie
Because the hireling teachers and preachers will to continue on babbling nonsense in Gods name for devilish gain. God will do another marvelous work and ultimately silence their babel. He will shut up heaven, drying up the earth with blistering heat. He will turn their water to blood because they have given Him blood to drink and now He will give them the same in return.

3 Then the second messenger poured out his bowl on the sea, and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living creature in the sea died.
4 Then the third messenger poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood.
5 And I heard the messenger of the waters saying: "You are righteous, O Lord, The One who is and who was and who is to be, Because You have judged these things.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, And You have given them blood to drink. For it is their just due."
7 And I heard another from the altar saying, "Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments."

Who is it that has shed the blood of Gods messengers the Prophets and saints, but those who preach their false god and murder those who the true God sends to them telling the truth?
The day draws near, it is at hand.
Sound the alarm, make yourselves ready, prepare for battle.
Godsword
Labrys,

QUOTE
Hi, I am new to the forum, but not to the faith (I will introduce myself after the first 2 posts).
I personally do not believe in the Rapture. since it is not the goal of a Christian to get a free ticket but to build His Kingdom, here and now.

Jesus said, "'Watch, and pray always that you might be counted worthy to escape all these things and to stand before the Son of Man.'" The Rapture is no more "escapism" than what Jesus is referring to in that passage - it is the "blessed hope" mentioned in one or more of the Epistles.
Charlie
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This following scripture speaks of the Only Temple that will begin to be rebuilt in 2008.

20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.


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Godsword
charlie,

Ezekiel prophesies that there will be a rebuilt Temple during the Millennium. And Ezekiel and/or Zechariah indicate there will be sacrifices taking place there. Daniel, and Jesus, indicate that the "abomination of desolation" will be placed in that Temple, and Daniel and Paul say that the "prince who is to come" (the Antichrist) will seat himself in that Temple, declaring himself to be god. All of these things indicate that a real, physical, Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.
Charlie
QUOTE
Charlie said

This following scripture speaks of the Only Temple that will begin to be rebuilt in 2008.

20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 11 2008, 11:25 AM) [snapback]149062[/snapback]

charlie,

Ezekiel prophesies that there will be a rebuilt Temple during the Millennium. And Ezekiel and/or Zechariah indicate there will be sacrifices taking place there. Daniel, and Jesus, indicate that the "abomination of desolation" will be placed in that Temple, and Daniel and Paul say that the "prince who is to come" (the Antichrist) will seat himself in that Temple, declaring himself to be god. All of these things indicate that a real, physical, Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.



There will be. The sacrifice that is now required of each and every believer, after the blood of the Lamb has been spilled, will be offered. That is "righteousness unto to the Lord through Christ".

Or do you think that the blood of the Lamb is not sufficient?


So once again "The only temple that will be rebuilt is the Temple of Christ".

The temple of the body in righteousness is the third and final temple which Christ built.


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Godsword
charlie,

QUOTE
Or do you think that the blood of the Lamb is not sufficient?

The sacrifices which will be taking place in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium will not have the same significance, the same symbolism, that they had in previous Temples. During the Millennium, they will "look back to" Jesus' sacrifice, as reminders of the greatness of His sacrifice. This will seemingly be needed during the Millennium because for that period sin will be dealt with quickly, and the animal kingdom will be changed - there will be practically no violence or suffering, not even from "natural disasters". Thus, a need for animal sacrifices in order to convey graphically and clearly the nature and reality of Jesus' sacrifice, and what it accomplished. This is my opinion, of course.

Regardless, continuing to state that the Church is Christ's Temple, each believer's body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, does not do away with the Scripture passages I mentioned which indicate a real, physical, Temple will be rebuilt. I do not dispute that the Church can be considered Christ's Temple, but that is the spiritual sense to which the physical reality will point. Putting faith in Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection is the "body and blood" of Jesus, that which people need to satisfy "spiritual hunger". The physical "emblems" of bread and wine point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus' sacrifice spiritually accomplishes (forgiveness of sins, and life from God); same thing with a future rebuilt Temple - the "physical 'emblems'" of the Temple will point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus accomplished (His death and resurrection allowing repentant sinners to be accepted by God).

I do not know if the exact "accoutrements" and practices of the old Temples will be in place in the rebuilt Temple, but I expect something similar, though reflecting the reality of Jesus' sacrifice and office, will be in effect. The Antichrist is (or will be) a literal, physical, human being; for him to "seat himself" in the Temple, declaring himself to be god, requires that the Temple itself also be literal and physical.
duncdrewnoah
QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 11 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]149084[/snapback]

charlie,

QUOTE
Or do you think that the blood of the Lamb is not sufficient?

The sacrifices which will be taking place in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium will not have the same significance, the same symbolism, that they had in previous Temples. During the Millennium, they will "look back to" Jesus' sacrifice, as reminders of the greatness of His sacrifice. This will seemingly be needed during the Millennium because for that period sin will be dealt with quickly, and the animal kingdom will be changed - there will be practically no violence or suffering, not even from "natural disasters". Thus, a need for animal sacrifices in order to convey graphically and clearly the nature and reality of Jesus' sacrifice, and what it accomplished. This is my opinion, of course.

Regardless, continuing to state that the Church is Christ's Temple, each believer's body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, does not do away with the Scripture passages I mentioned which indicate a real, physical, Temple will be rebuilt. I do not dispute that the Church can be considered Christ's Temple, but that is the spiritual sense to which the physical reality will point. Putting faith in Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection is the "body and blood" of Jesus, that which people need to satisfy "spiritual hunger". The physical "emblems" of bread and wine point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus' sacrifice spiritually accomplishes (forgiveness of sins, and life from God); same thing with a future rebuilt Temple - the "physical 'emblems'" of the Temple will point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus accomplished (His death and resurrection allowing repentant sinners to be accepted by God).

I do not know if the exact "accoutrements" and practices of the old Temples will be in place in the rebuilt Temple, but I expect something similar, though reflecting the reality of Jesus' sacrifice and office, will be in effect. The Antichrist is (or will be) a literal, physical, human being; for him to "seat himself" in the Temple, declaring himself to be god, requires that the Temple itself also be literal and physical.



i would like to hear from Benny or any one else who has thoughts on this: i believe there will be a rebuilt temple during the trib...the red heifer must be 3 yrs old....so, will they go without a red heifer; or will they wait on one (which means we are atleast 3 yrs away ) or is there a chance of a red heifer being held that we do not know of yet?
Charlie
QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 11 2008, 12:09 PM) [snapback]149084[/snapback]

charlie,

QUOTE
Or do you think that the blood of the Lamb is not sufficient?

The sacrifices which will be taking place in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium will not have the same significance, the same symbolism, that they had in previous Temples. During the Millennium, they will "look back to" Jesus' sacrifice, as reminders of the greatness of His sacrifice. This will seemingly be needed during the Millennium because for that period sin will be dealt with quickly, and the animal kingdom will be changed - there will be practically no violence or suffering, not even from "natural disasters". Thus, a need for animal sacrifices in order to convey graphically and clearly the nature and reality of Jesus' sacrifice, and what it accomplished. This is my opinion, of course.

Regardless, continuing to state that the Church is Christ's Temple, each believer's body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, does not do away with the Scripture passages I mentioned which indicate a real, physical, Temple will be rebuilt. I do not dispute that the Church can be considered Christ's Temple, but that is the spiritual sense to which the physical reality will point. Putting faith in Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection is the "body and blood" of Jesus, that which people need to satisfy "spiritual hunger". The physical "emblems" of bread and wine point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus' sacrifice spiritually accomplishes (forgiveness of sins, and life from God); same thing with a future rebuilt Temple - the "physical 'emblems'" of the Temple will point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus accomplished (His death and resurrection allowing repentant sinners to be accepted by God).

I do not know if the exact "accoutrements" and practices of the old Temples will be in place in the rebuilt Temple, but I expect something similar, though reflecting the reality of Jesus' sacrifice and office, will be in effect. The Antichrist is (or will be) a literal, physical, human being; for him to "seat himself" in the Temple, declaring himself to be god, requires that the Temple itself also be literal and physical.



There is no reason whatsoever for a sacrifice during the Lords Millennial reign. The Lord, The Lamb, will be there. There will be no bad weather at all and there will be no walls for anyone to hide sin behind.

15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."


4 who said to him, "Run, speak to this young man, saying: 'Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls, because of the multitude of men and livestock in it.
5 For I,' says the Lord, 'will be a wall of fire all around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.' "
benny balerio
n pos
QUOTE(duncdrewnoah @ Feb 11 2008, 05:04 PM) [snapback]149095[/snapback]

QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 11 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]149084[/snapback]

charlie,

QUOTE
Or do you think that the blood of the Lamb is not sufficient?

The sacrifices which will be taking place in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium will not have the same significance, the same symbolism, that they had in previous Temples. During the Millennium, they will "look back to" Jesus' sacrifice, as reminders of the greatness of His sacrifice. This will seemingly be needed during the Millennium because for that period sin will be dealt with quickly, and the animal kingdom will be changed - there will be practically no violence or suffering, not even from "natural disasters". Thus, a need for animal sacrifices in order to convey graphically and clearly the nature and reality of Jesus' sacrifice, and what it accomplished. This is my opinion, of course.

Regardless, continuing to state that the Church is Christ's Temple, each believer's body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, does not do away with the Scripture passages I mentioned which indicate a real, physical, Temple will be rebuilt. I do not dispute that the Church can be considered Christ's Temple, but that is the spiritual sense to which the physical reality will point. Putting faith in Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection is the "body and blood" of Jesus, that which people need to satisfy "spiritual hunger". The physical "emblems" of bread and wine point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus' sacrifice spiritually accomplishes (forgiveness of sins, and life from God); same thing with a future rebuilt Temple - the "physical 'emblems'" of the Temple will point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus accomplished (His death and resurrection allowing repentant sinners to be accepted by God).

I do not know if the exact "accoutrements" and practices of the old Temples will be in place in the rebuilt Temple, but I expect something similar, though reflecting the reality of Jesus' sacrifice and office, will be in effect. The Antichrist is (or will be) a literal, physical, human being; for him to "seat himself" in the Temple, declaring himself to be god, requires that the Temple itself also be literal and physical.



i would like to hear from Benny or any one else who has thoughts on this: i believe there will be a rebuilt temple during the trib...the red heifer must be 3 yrs old....so, will they go without a red heifer; or will they wait on one (which means we are atleast 3 yrs away ) or is there a chance of a red heifer being held that we do not know of yet?

From what infoe that I have come across,.....The jews are not in possesion of a red heifer that is without blemish....You quote;."so, will they go without a red heifer; or will they wait on one (which means we are atleast 3 yrs away )"....It is interesting that you have mentioned that...........Because scripture indicates that in Ezekial 39 ....That it would be a minimum of 3 1/2 years between Ezekial 38 and the confirming of the covenant in Daniel 9;27........The reason being that Israel is instructed to burn the weapons as a fuel for 7 years.........if you were to try to place the Ezekial 38 battle at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation, You run into a problem. Because,1,260 days from the day that the 7 year covenant has been confirmed.....the "abomination of desolation comes to pass..........The Lord Jesus instructed the Jews in Matthew 24......That when this event comes to pass......They are to flee into the wilderness.......In other words they would not be around long enough to continue burning these weapons for 7 consecutive years......This seems to strongly indicate that the Ezekial 38 battle will happen at a minimum 3 1/2 years prior to the confirming of the 7 year covenant.....But that makes sence to me....After the Ezekial 38 battle had come to pass.......and even though prophetic chess pieces are very much in place,...There's going to be a lot of chaos and confusion after that battle comes to pass. About 2 billion people will die on earth,...It's going to take a little time for the anti-christ to get his ducks in order. The Jews from all over the globe will return to Israel with one desire in their heart, and that is to build the third temple, when they wittness what the Lord God has done to Israel's enemies.........It would take some time for the Jews from all over the earth to get transported to Israel, and there's a good chance that there would be a housing shortage with that many Jews returning to Israel................................benny cool.gif
duncdrewnoah
QUOTE(benny balerio @ Feb 12 2008, 10:36 AM) [snapback]149292[/snapback]

n pos
QUOTE(duncdrewnoah @ Feb 11 2008, 05:04 PM) [snapback]149095[/snapback]

QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 11 2008, 03:09 PM) [snapback]149084[/snapback]

charlie,

QUOTE
Or do you think that the blood of the Lamb is not sufficient?

The sacrifices which will be taking place in the Temple in Jerusalem during the Millennium will not have the same significance, the same symbolism, that they had in previous Temples. During the Millennium, they will "look back to" Jesus' sacrifice, as reminders of the greatness of His sacrifice. This will seemingly be needed during the Millennium because for that period sin will be dealt with quickly, and the animal kingdom will be changed - there will be practically no violence or suffering, not even from "natural disasters". Thus, a need for animal sacrifices in order to convey graphically and clearly the nature and reality of Jesus' sacrifice, and what it accomplished. This is my opinion, of course.

Regardless, continuing to state that the Church is Christ's Temple, each believer's body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, does not do away with the Scripture passages I mentioned which indicate a real, physical, Temple will be rebuilt. I do not dispute that the Church can be considered Christ's Temple, but that is the spiritual sense to which the physical reality will point. Putting faith in Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection is the "body and blood" of Jesus, that which people need to satisfy "spiritual hunger". The physical "emblems" of bread and wine point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus' sacrifice spiritually accomplishes (forgiveness of sins, and life from God); same thing with a future rebuilt Temple - the "physical 'emblems'" of the Temple will point to the spiritual reality of what Jesus accomplished (His death and resurrection allowing repentant sinners to be accepted by God).

I do not know if the exact "accoutrements" and practices of the old Temples will be in place in the rebuilt Temple, but I expect something similar, though reflecting the reality of Jesus' sacrifice and office, will be in effect. The Antichrist is (or will be) a literal, physical, human being; for him to "seat himself" in the Temple, declaring himself to be god, requires that the Temple itself also be literal and physical.



i would like to hear from Benny or any one else who has thoughts on this: i believe there will be a rebuilt temple during the trib...the red heifer must be 3 yrs old....so, will they go without a red heifer; or will they wait on one (which means we are atleast 3 yrs away ) or is there a chance of a red heifer being held that we do not know of yet?

From what infoe that I have come across,.....The jews are not in possesion of a red heifer that is without blemish....You quote;."so, will they go without a red heifer; or will they wait on one (which means we are atleast 3 yrs away )"....It is interesting that you have mentioned that...........Because scripture indicates that in Ezekial 39 ....That it would be a minimum of 3 1/2 years between Ezekial 38 and the confirming of the covenant in Daniel 9;27........The reason being that Israel is instructed to burn the weapons as a fuel for 7 years.........if you were to try to place the Ezekial 38 battle at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation, You run into a problem. Because,1,260 days from the day that the 7 year covenant has been confirmed.....the "abomination of desolation comes to pass..........The Lord Jesus instructed the Jews in Matthew 24......That when this event comes to pass......They are to flee into the wilderness.......In other words they would not be around long enough to continue burning these weapons for 7 consecutive years......This seems to strongly indicate that the Ezekial 38 battle will happen at a minimum 3 1/2 years prior to the confirming of the 7 year covenant.....But that makes sence to me....After the Ezekial 38 battle had come to pass.......and even though prophetic chess pieces are very much in place,...There's going to be a lot of chaos and confusion after that battle comes to pass. About 2 billion people will die on earth,...It's going to take a little time for the anti-christ to get his ducks in order. The Jews from all over the globe will return to Israel with one desire in their heart, and that is to build the third temple, when they wittness what the Lord God has done to Israel's enemies.........It would take some time for the Jews from all over the earth to get transported to Israel, and there's a good chance that there would be a housing shortage with that many Jews returning to Israel................................benny cool.gif


thx benny...i knew u would have an idea on this...i would like your thoughts on 2 things....1-do you think its likely that damascus gets destroyed this yr, and the magog invasion follows a few months later? (i have mentioned before that march 21,2008 is a special purim -adar II 15th, good friday, spring eqiunox and an eclipse)...2-do you think the hype over the mayan dec 21, 2012 will play a roll in tricking the nations during the tribulation?


shy1
QUOTE(benny balerio @ Feb 12 2008, 09:36 AM) [snapback]149292[/snapback]

From what infoe that I have come across,.....The jews are not in possesion of a red heifer that is without blemish....You quote;."so, will they go without a red heifer; or will they wait on one (which means we are atleast 3 yrs away )"....It is interesting that you have mentioned that...........Because scripture indicates that in Ezekial 39 ....That it would be a minimum of 3 1/2 years between Ezekial 38 and the confirming of the covenant in Daniel 9;27........The reason being that Israel is instructed to burn the weapons as a fuel for 7 years.........if you were to try to place the Ezekial 38 battle at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation, You run into a problem. Because,1,260 days from the day that the 7 year covenant has been confirmed.....the "abomination of desolation comes to pass..........The Lord Jesus instructed the Jews in Matthew 24......That when this event comes to pass......They are to flee into the wilderness.......In other words they would not be around long enough to continue burning these weapons for 7 consecutive years......This seems to strongly indicate that the Ezekial 38 battle will happen at a minimum 3 1/2 years prior to the confirming of the 7 year covenant.....But that makes sence to me....After the Ezekial 38 battle had come to pass.......and even though prophetic chess pieces are very much in place,...There's going to be a lot of chaos and confusion after that battle comes to pass. About 2 billion people will die on earth,...It's going to take a little time for the anti-christ to get his ducks in order. The Jews from all over the globe will return to Israel with one desire in their heart, and that is to build the third temple, when they wittness what the Lord God has done to Israel's enemies.........It would take some time for the Jews from all over the earth to get transported to Israel, and there's a good chance that there would be a housing shortage with that many Jews returning to Israel................................benny cool.gif

This makes sense. There probably hasn't been nearly enough chaos for that treaty to come about and somebody to come out of it looking like a real hero. And yes, there is the 7 years of burning the weapons from that battle that has to be dealt with.
Godsword
charles,

QUOTE
There is no reason whatsoever for a sacrifice during the Lord's Millennial reign.

No, as I had just finished carefully and thoroughly explaining the likely reasons for there being sacrifices during the Millennium. You are of course free to disagree with the reasons I gave, but it's very impressive, or helpful, to just say, "No, you're wrong", without refuting the reasons given, or to address the Scriptures referenced.
Charlie
QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 12 2008, 10:23 AM) [snapback]149358[/snapback]

charles,

QUOTE
There is no reason whatsoever for a sacrifice during the Lord's Millennial reign.

No, as I had just finished carefully and thoroughly explaining the likely reasons for there being sacrifices during the Millennium. You are of course free to disagree with the reasons I gave, but it's very impressive, or helpful, to just say, "No, you're wrong", without refuting the reasons given, or to address the Scriptures referenced.



Godsword
You mentioned something about Ezekiel and Zechariah but yo gave no scripture or quoted no scripture. I have showed you scripture and quoted scripture. Perhaps you meant to? but now if you will direct me to the scripture that you are referring to. I will show you how it does not interfere, or mean anything different than the third and final temple that Christ has already built.
benny balerio
I do not hold to the Mayan calender belief of the year 2012.Mind you that I believe that the rapture happens sometimes just before Isaiah 17;1 comes to pass...very much back to back....I base that on Abraham conversing with God about 50 righteous men on the story of Sodom.......and yet again....It shall be as in the Days of Noah........they were marrying and giving in marriage.......that does'nt sound like Isaiah 17;1 had at the moment happened yet....In the days of Noah,life seemed to be normal........I'm thinking that if the Annapollis negotiations over the dividing of Jerusalem succeeds near the end of this year.........Then I believe that sudden destruction would prevail, because if they should succeed, they would believe they now have peace and safety. In Joel 3;2....It basicly states that the Lord will gather all nations into the valley of Jehosiphat and plead to those nations who divided His land.......The words divided His land seem past tense...................The word "Confirm" in Daniel 9;27.....means to enforce something that had been agreed upon earlier......The agreement to divide the land,is based on the Camp David accords,the Olso accords,The European Neighborhood Policy,and the Alliance of Civilizations(A religeous element) through the United Nations......is all tied into the current peace negotiations...............................benny cool.gif
Godsword
benny,

You might find the following dream I had interesting:

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=146935 .
Godsword
charlie,

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You mentioned something about Ezekiel and Zechariah but you gave no scripture or quoted no scripture. I have showed you scripture and quoted scripture.

Yes, but the Scripture passages you've quoted do not, as I've pointed out, address the issue of there being a physical Temple during the Millennium.

QUOTE
Perhaps you meant to?

Only if it was necessary. I was being a bit lazy.

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But now if you will direct me to the scripture that you are referring to. I will show you how it does not interfere, or mean anything different than the third and final temple that Christ has already built.

That's very confident of you to say, given I haven't actually provided the Scripture reference yet. But why should I? You are apparently closed to even the possibility that you might be wrong, and that the Scripture passages would indeed teach that a physical Temple will be in existence during the Tribulation, or at the very least during the Millennium.