http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272477,00.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070515/ap_on_...s/jerry_falwell
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/jerry.falwell/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell
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Honestly I don't know that much about Rev. Falwell. Other than Liberty Univ., I am pretty ignorant about what he did. These article help a little. Anyway, it seems that much of what I heard about him was pretty negative. Was he unfairly demonized by a liberal press who loathed his Biblical conservatism? Was he indeed lacking in love? Could some one who knows a little more about him help me out with this? Thanks!
Full Version: Jerry Falwell Dies
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His website is down today...
Yea, it's difficult to get on Liberty's site, Thomas Road Baptist Church's site, his wikepedia article, etc. Obviously his death is impacting many people...
I was actually coming here to post of his death...I don't know much of him either but on Sunday mornings I was his program because he always had great guest speakers on...I don't watch much of Christian tv....His on Sunday and every now and then Joni....
Tammy Faye Baker, the ex wife of Jim Baker is also about to pass away. She is down to 65lbs and is suffering with cancer. There is supposed to be a special on tonight about it I think on ABC....
Tammy Faye Baker, the ex wife of Jim Baker is also about to pass away. She is down to 65lbs and is suffering with cancer. There is supposed to be a special on tonight about it I think on ABC....
Falwell was a religious and social commentator who founded the "Moral Majority" movement in the 1980's. He was widely criticized by the press as "anti-progressive" when his religious views began to take up political influence in the areas of abortion thereby challenging Roe vs. Wade, pornography challenging freedom of the press, and deplored gay and lesbian rights challenging equality.
Many people who disliked Falwell found his commentary obtuse, for example he publically attributed 911 as the result of the US' "depraved sins" he described from abortion and homosexuality.
He was also a professed believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
...I guess God decided it was time for him to go home.
Many people who disliked Falwell found his commentary obtuse, for example he publically attributed 911 as the result of the US' "depraved sins" he described from abortion and homosexuality.
He was also a professed believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
...I guess God decided it was time for him to go home.
I hardly watched him on TV, yet I will miss the guy! 
I am glad he is in Heaven now...
I am glad he is in Heaven now...
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Was he unfairly demonized by a liberal press who loathed his Biblical conservatism?
I think that's probably a little of it but I also think he lacked "tact". He would just say things and sometimes regret them later when if he had thought about what he was going to say just a bit he probably could have come up with a way to say the same thing but in a way that didn't get everyone all riled up. Just my opinion.
Several years ago I watch him quick a bit. He help me in understanding right from wrong.
I did look up to him because alot of people turn against him and yet he still went right ahead and did what was right in the eyes of God.
Kim
I did look up to him because alot of people turn against him and yet he still went right ahead and did what was right in the eyes of God.
Kim
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272477,00.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070515/ap_on_...s/jerry_falwell
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/jerry.falwell/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell
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Honestly I don't know that much about Rev. Falwell. Other than Liberty Univ., I am pretty ignorant about what he did. These article help a little. Anyway, it seems that much of what I heard about him was pretty negative. Was he unfairly demonized by a liberal press who loathed his Biblical conservatism? Was he indeed lacking in love? Could some one who knows a little more about him help me out with this? Thanks!
My brother attended Liberty University for a year. He was not happy with the rascist policies and ultra-consevatism so he left. However, that was a very long time ago. I do not know much about Jerry himself--so I guess God knew him much better than anyone. LOL.
I never did agree with his line of thought about how our misery has befallen us because of spirtual dysfunctionalism. The Lord is the God of all grace. He does not institute great plagues because a segment of society is into sodomy. He did that once already. God never does anything twice. God is under rated and men are over rated.
Col 4:6 Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Col 4:6 Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
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Was he unfairly demonized by a liberal press who loathed his Biblical conservatism?
I think that's probably a little of it but I also think he lacked "tact". He would just say things and sometimes regret them later when if he had thought about what he was going to say just a bit he probably could have come up with a way to say the same thing but in a way that didn't get everyone all riled up. Just my opinion.That's right, DTH...no tact. I think he was the one who commented that Po, the purple Teletubbie, was gay!
OH YEAAAHHHHH... I remember that. Oh brother.
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I think he was the one who commented that Po, the purple Teletubbie, was gay!
Actually Tinky Winky is the purple one. Po is red. I have a 2 year old, it's important I know these things.
View from America: Our most unwelcome ally
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Jonathan Tobin, THE JERUSALEM POST May. 26, 2007
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull
In 1984, the United States rectified a diplomatic anomaly when it formally recognized the Vatican and agreed to exchange ambassadors with the papal mini-state in Rome.
But when Congress held hearings on the measure, at least one discordant voice was heard in dissent. Rev. Jerry Falwell, by then already a familiar figure as the head of the "Moral Majority" group, hustled to the Capitol to testify against the move.
One might have expected Falwell's position to be based in the sort of theological antagonism between Baptists and Catholics that had its roots in the Reformation. But the roly-poly evangelical had another agenda that day: He was mad about the Church's foreign policy in the Middle East. He urged the Senate not to recognize the Vatican until it extended the same courtesy to the State of Israel.
That was an issue that was also of concern to Jewish groups. The Vatican eventually did recognize Israel a decade later. But the idea of the Jews publicly campaigning against the Church in this manner was simply out of the question.
Falwell's intervention in this issue is barely a footnote to this chapter in history, but it is symbolic of much of his interactions with the Jews over the years.
He was always among our most zealous allies on the question of Israel, its security and its place in the world. But his efforts in this regard were not merely unbidden. They were, for the most part, regarded with incredulity by Jewish audiences and groups, and thus not merely unappreciated, but often met with outright rejection. As such, he was always American Jewry's most unwavering and yet unwelcome ally.
FALWELL'S DEATH earlier this month at age 73 set off a wave of retrospectives in the media about the rise of Christian conservative politics. But no discussion of his impact on the culture of the United States is complete without a discussion of his iconic position as the b te noire of liberal Jewry who regarded his noisy support for Israel - and the willingness of Israeli leaders such as Menachem Begin and Binyamin Netanyahu to embrace him for it - with a combination of disgust and horror.
The reason for that horror wasn't hard to explain. As one of the leading figures of the Right's counterattack on both liberal politics and cultural values, Falwell was deeply hated by liberals. His sanctimonious demeanor and willingness to voice his (in the view of most American Jews) antediluvian views on just about everything - including the possible sexual orientation of one of the "Teletubbies" - made him a ripe subject for satire.
But what made Falwell, who avoided the sort of personal and financial scandals that make it easy to discount many of his fellow televangelists, really scary to liberals was the fact that his mobilization of Christian conservatives helped change American politics. Although the "Moral Majority" itself had a short shelf life (it was disbanded in 1989), Falwell's influence will live on long after him.
But what must be understood is that his movement was not an attempt to undo democracy. Rather, it gave life to the well-founded fear on the part of religious conservatives that they were losing control of American culture. Despite the fact that they won a fair share of the election battles they picked, that verdict is unchanged.
Take a look at the content of virtually any network television drama or comedy - let alone contemporary major feature films - and it won't be hard to discern the fact that Falwell's views about abortion, sex and gay rights have not only not prevailed, but, in fact, have lost considerable ground.
As more than a few of his allies on the Right noted in the wake of the public's unwillingness to support the impeachment of president Bill Clinton, maybe the majority in this country wasn't so "moral" after all. And given the fact that a pro-abortion rights candidate such as Rudy Giuliani has a shot at the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, it may well be that the tide has turned on these issues in the GOP itself.
BUT NONE of that explains why his enthusiastic support for Israel was always something that many Jewish liberals felt ought to be treated with disdain. The excuses for this attitude always centered on the notion that his motives were tainted by his intention to evangelize among Jews or notions about his wanting a Zionist triumph to set off the second coming of Jesus.
But few who made these charges understood much about his actual beliefs. While Falwell was honest about the fact that he considered his own faith to be the truth, he always denied that his love for Israel was anything but unselfish. And given the fact that most Jews never gave him anything but abuse for it, his critics ought to concede that point.
Nor did his willingness to open up the pulpit of his Liberty University to figures like Reform movement head Rabbi Eric Yoffie convince liberals that he was as committed to the free flow of political debate as they were. To the day he died, liberal groups used his waning presence on the national scene to rally their faithful, and were unwilling to make common cause with him even on a principle many shared with him: the safety of
Israel.
This unwillingness to accept conservative Christian support for Israel remains the great contradiction of modern American Jewish politics.
Contrast this attitude toward Falwell with the enthusiasm with which many Jews continue to make coalitions with liberal Protestant denominations that have often joined efforts to wage economic warfare on the Jewish state via disinvestment schemes.
Jews didn't have to agree with Falwell on abortion or anything else on which they differed any more than they do with liberal Protestants. But what they ought to have done is to recognize his willingness to expend his own political capital in the defense of Israel.
During crises, such as the 2002 terror war waged against Israel by the Palestinians, Falwell and his allies were capable of putting aside their other agendas, and putting the Bush administration's feet to the fire in order to ensure that it backed up Israel's measures of self-defense.
PERHAPS THE main disconnect came from the fact that for Falwell and his friends, Israel was not the marginal point that it has become for many Jews who who place its survival far below domestic issues on their list of priorities. Though he never harmed a single Jew in his life, most of us still seemed to be more afraid of him than we were of Hamas.
At a time when Israel is under increasingly vitriolic as well as violent attack, this reluctance to extend the hand of friendship to an ally remains, at best, short-sighted.
One imagines that few synagogue sermons were devoted to Falwell's memory this past week, but before the dust settles over his grave, it might be appropriate if more Jews took a moment to recognize his friendship. The rise of international anti-Semitism and left-wing anti-Zionism should remind us that - whether we like it or not - we are going to need a lot more "unwelcome" allies like Jerry Falwell in the years to come.
The writer is executive editor of the Jewish Exponent in Philadelphia.
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Jonathan Tobin, THE JERUSALEM POST May. 26, 2007
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull
In 1984, the United States rectified a diplomatic anomaly when it formally recognized the Vatican and agreed to exchange ambassadors with the papal mini-state in Rome.
But when Congress held hearings on the measure, at least one discordant voice was heard in dissent. Rev. Jerry Falwell, by then already a familiar figure as the head of the "Moral Majority" group, hustled to the Capitol to testify against the move.
One might have expected Falwell's position to be based in the sort of theological antagonism between Baptists and Catholics that had its roots in the Reformation. But the roly-poly evangelical had another agenda that day: He was mad about the Church's foreign policy in the Middle East. He urged the Senate not to recognize the Vatican until it extended the same courtesy to the State of Israel.
That was an issue that was also of concern to Jewish groups. The Vatican eventually did recognize Israel a decade later. But the idea of the Jews publicly campaigning against the Church in this manner was simply out of the question.
Falwell's intervention in this issue is barely a footnote to this chapter in history, but it is symbolic of much of his interactions with the Jews over the years.
He was always among our most zealous allies on the question of Israel, its security and its place in the world. But his efforts in this regard were not merely unbidden. They were, for the most part, regarded with incredulity by Jewish audiences and groups, and thus not merely unappreciated, but often met with outright rejection. As such, he was always American Jewry's most unwavering and yet unwelcome ally.
FALWELL'S DEATH earlier this month at age 73 set off a wave of retrospectives in the media about the rise of Christian conservative politics. But no discussion of his impact on the culture of the United States is complete without a discussion of his iconic position as the b te noire of liberal Jewry who regarded his noisy support for Israel - and the willingness of Israeli leaders such as Menachem Begin and Binyamin Netanyahu to embrace him for it - with a combination of disgust and horror.
The reason for that horror wasn't hard to explain. As one of the leading figures of the Right's counterattack on both liberal politics and cultural values, Falwell was deeply hated by liberals. His sanctimonious demeanor and willingness to voice his (in the view of most American Jews) antediluvian views on just about everything - including the possible sexual orientation of one of the "Teletubbies" - made him a ripe subject for satire.
But what made Falwell, who avoided the sort of personal and financial scandals that make it easy to discount many of his fellow televangelists, really scary to liberals was the fact that his mobilization of Christian conservatives helped change American politics. Although the "Moral Majority" itself had a short shelf life (it was disbanded in 1989), Falwell's influence will live on long after him.
But what must be understood is that his movement was not an attempt to undo democracy. Rather, it gave life to the well-founded fear on the part of religious conservatives that they were losing control of American culture. Despite the fact that they won a fair share of the election battles they picked, that verdict is unchanged.
Take a look at the content of virtually any network television drama or comedy - let alone contemporary major feature films - and it won't be hard to discern the fact that Falwell's views about abortion, sex and gay rights have not only not prevailed, but, in fact, have lost considerable ground.
As more than a few of his allies on the Right noted in the wake of the public's unwillingness to support the impeachment of president Bill Clinton, maybe the majority in this country wasn't so "moral" after all. And given the fact that a pro-abortion rights candidate such as Rudy Giuliani has a shot at the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, it may well be that the tide has turned on these issues in the GOP itself.
BUT NONE of that explains why his enthusiastic support for Israel was always something that many Jewish liberals felt ought to be treated with disdain. The excuses for this attitude always centered on the notion that his motives were tainted by his intention to evangelize among Jews or notions about his wanting a Zionist triumph to set off the second coming of Jesus.
But few who made these charges understood much about his actual beliefs. While Falwell was honest about the fact that he considered his own faith to be the truth, he always denied that his love for Israel was anything but unselfish. And given the fact that most Jews never gave him anything but abuse for it, his critics ought to concede that point.
Nor did his willingness to open up the pulpit of his Liberty University to figures like Reform movement head Rabbi Eric Yoffie convince liberals that he was as committed to the free flow of political debate as they were. To the day he died, liberal groups used his waning presence on the national scene to rally their faithful, and were unwilling to make common cause with him even on a principle many shared with him: the safety of
Israel.
This unwillingness to accept conservative Christian support for Israel remains the great contradiction of modern American Jewish politics.
Contrast this attitude toward Falwell with the enthusiasm with which many Jews continue to make coalitions with liberal Protestant denominations that have often joined efforts to wage economic warfare on the Jewish state via disinvestment schemes.
Jews didn't have to agree with Falwell on abortion or anything else on which they differed any more than they do with liberal Protestants. But what they ought to have done is to recognize his willingness to expend his own political capital in the defense of Israel.
During crises, such as the 2002 terror war waged against Israel by the Palestinians, Falwell and his allies were capable of putting aside their other agendas, and putting the Bush administration's feet to the fire in order to ensure that it backed up Israel's measures of self-defense.
PERHAPS THE main disconnect came from the fact that for Falwell and his friends, Israel was not the marginal point that it has become for many Jews who who place its survival far below domestic issues on their list of priorities. Though he never harmed a single Jew in his life, most of us still seemed to be more afraid of him than we were of Hamas.
At a time when Israel is under increasingly vitriolic as well as violent attack, this reluctance to extend the hand of friendship to an ally remains, at best, short-sighted.
One imagines that few synagogue sermons were devoted to Falwell's memory this past week, but before the dust settles over his grave, it might be appropriate if more Jews took a moment to recognize his friendship. The rise of international anti-Semitism and left-wing anti-Zionism should remind us that - whether we like it or not - we are going to need a lot more "unwelcome" allies like Jerry Falwell in the years to come.
The writer is executive editor of the Jewish Exponent in Philadelphia.
Interesting. Thanks for posting this Dani.
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