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I see that your government is really targeting your democracy. I must admit, they are very clever about it. Its all in a word and there you go.Your freedom of speech is slowly being slaughtered.

Its clever. It took the Powers the Be very long, but they are doing it (all in God's plan for the trib, although they think they have thought about it first) First get the Woman's Liberation movement going. Then major on PC (that was a big achievement, because it effectively silenced a lot of Christian views) Now move into homosexual acceptance (this will break down the family further) abortion has been successful in killing a generation in America so far (we are working towards that goal as well) So the population growth will come down and the Powers to Be can plan for a better planet for their offspring.Scum free.

Aids will kill off another huge unwanted section of the planet, while the W. H.O is seeing to it that people get sterile , by including a "oops it was a mistake" meds in the inoculations for Third World Countries.

Now they are planning to get the masses to "shut up" so that they can speed up without that anointing little e-mail and telephone call from the "uninformed" and they can push their agenda faster.Your hate crime bill seems to have passed, (correct me if I am wrong, I do not know how it works, but it seems that its been voted "yes" )so what are you going to do now? Say this or that is wrong and get locked up?

So now they are getting what they want. Those who are wrong can now be right and those who are right are wrong by default. This sounds familiar like the twisting of truth that one can only relate to Satan.

Still, you must admit , it was a clever move,
C

Here is a letter written to oppose this "silencing"
LETTER

Satan is the author of the bill.

Angels and fallen angels are far superior to men, so it's not surprising that they're clever.

Satan knows that he has very little time left............he's been reading Shekel's articles.

Thanks, Shekel.

i guess that satan may be a speed-reader.

in the little time left before the Return, how much damage can satan do?

the national debt is $600,000 per family of four, and it grows larger every day, and the govt and the Churches are OK with that............so, what difference does it make that we can't speak against homosexuality? The govt and the Churches are approving of this legalized stealing from my generation and all future generations.

if i can't convince the Churches that stealing is wrong, then, who cares about sex-sin?

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But, of course, there is a tiny Few who have not bowed the knee to Baal, and our Lord Jesus loves them very much.

dennis

You know, we can shout that this is happening but it falls on deaf ears...and blind eyes cannot read it. Just as the LORD said...

Isa 6:9 ¶ And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Ain't that the truth !

another sign of the times

This tells me that our time is really, really short! Beam me up Lord....I'm ready.

Could somebody please tell me: Does this now mean that according to your law, that the hatecrime law is now passed , after this vote? Or is there still something that must happen to finalize it.
C

Yes, It has indeed passed...but President Bush may still Veto the bill...which means it would be thrown out. I'm curious to see what he does with this. We should find out soon.

This Bill has passed the House of Representatives. It still needs the approval of the Senate, and then it will go before the President, if and only if both House and Senate approve it. It will then be reviewed by the President and he can veto it or pass it. If it doesn't pass both houses and/or the President Veto's it, it still can be revised and brought in as a new bill. At least this is my understanding of the law regarding these Bills...

*********NOTE: I DID NOT ADD THE SMILEY FACES...something is wrong within my post. Just so you know that I didn't add them in...even tried to remove them.***********


Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 (Referred to Senate Committee after being Received from House)

HR 1592 RFS


110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1592

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

May 7, 2007
Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


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AN ACT
To provide Federal assistance to States, local jurisdictions, and Indian tribes to prosecute hate crimes , and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF HATE CRIME.

In this Act--

(1) the term `crime of violence' has the meaning given that term in section 16, title 18, United States Code;

(2) the term `hate crime' has the meaning given such term in section 280003(a) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (28 U.S.C. 994 note); and

(3) the term `local' means a county, city, town, township, parish, village, or other general purpose political subdivision of a State.

SEC. 3. SUPPORT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS BY STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.

(a) Assistance Other Than Financial Assistance-

(1) IN GENERAL- At the request of State, local, or Tribal law enforcement agency, the Attorney General may provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or any other form of assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that--

(A) constitutes a crime of violence;

( constitutes a felony under the State, local, or Tribal laws; and

is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the State, local, or Tribal hate crime laws.

(2) PRIORITY- In providing assistance under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall give priority to crimes committed by offenders who have committed crimes in more than one State and to rural jurisdictions that have difficulty covering the extraordinary expenses relating to the investigation or prosecution of the crime.

( Grants-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General may award grants to State, local, and Indian law enforcement agencies for extraordinary expenses associated with the investigation and prosecution of hate crimes .

(2) OFFICE OF JUSTICE PROGRAMS- In implementing the grant program under this subsection, the Office of Justice Programs shall work closely with grantees to ensure that the concerns and needs of all affected parties, including community groups and schools, colleges, and universities, are addressed through the local infrastructure developed under the grants.

(3) APPLICATION-

(A) IN GENERAL- Each State, local, and Indian law enforcement agency that desires a grant under this subsection shall submit an application to the Attorney General at such time, in such manner, and accompanied by or containing such information as the Attorney General shall reasonably require.

( DATE FOR SUBMISSION- Applications submitted pursuant to subparagraph (A) shall be submitted during the 60-day period beginning on a date that the Attorney General shall prescribe.

REQUIREMENTS- A State, local, and Indian law enforcement agency applying for a grant under this subsection shall--

(i) describe the extraordinary purposes for which the grant is needed;

(ii) certify that the State, local government, or Indian tribe lacks the resources necessary to investigate or prosecute the hate crime;

(iii) demonstrate that, in developing a plan to implement the grant, the State, local, and Indian law enforcement agency has consulted and coordinated with nonprofit, nongovernmental violence recovery service programs that have experience in providing services to victims of hate crimes ; and

(iv) certify that any Federal funds received under this subsection will be used to supplement, not supplant, non-Federal funds that would otherwise be available for activities funded under this subsection.

(4) DEADLINE- An application for a grant under this subsection shall be approved or denied by the Attorney General not later than 30 business days after the date on which the Attorney General receives the application.

(5) GRANT AMOUNT- A grant under this subsection shall not exceed $100,000 for any single jurisdiction in any 1-year period.

(6) REPORT- Not later than December 31, 2008, the Attorney General shall submit to Congress a report describing the applications submitted for grants under this subsection, the award of such grants, and the purposes for which the grant amounts were expended.

(7) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this subsection $5,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2008 and 2009.

SEC. 4. GRANT PROGRAM.

(a) Authority To Award Grants- The Office of Justice Programs of the Department of Justice may award grants, in accordance with such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe, to State, local, or Tribal programs designed to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles, including programs to train local law enforcement officers in identifying, investigating, prosecuting, and preventing hate crimes .

( Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.

SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO ASSIST STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

There are authorized to be appropriated to the Department of Justice, including the Community Relations Service, for fiscal years 2008, 2009, and 2010 such sums as are necessary to increase the number of personnel to prevent and respond to alleged violations of section 249 of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 7 of this Act.

SEC. 6. PROHIBITION OF CERTAIN HATE CRIME ACTS.

(a) In General- Chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`Sec. 249. Hate crime acts

`(a) In General-

`(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--

`(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

`( shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

`(i) death results from the offense; or

`(ii) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

`(2) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY, OR DISABILITY-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of any person--

`(i) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

`(ii) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

`(I) death results from the offense; or

`(II) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

`( CIRCUMSTANCES DESCRIBED- For purposes of subparagraph (A), the circumstances described in this subparagraph are that--

`(i) the conduct described in subparagraph (A) occurs during the course of, or as the result of, the travel of the defendant or the victim--

`(I) across a State line or national border; or

`(II) using a channel, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce;

`(ii) the defendant uses a channel, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce in connection with the conduct described in subparagraph (A);

`(iii) in connection with the conduct described in subparagraph (A), the defendant employs a firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or other weapon that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce; or

`(iv) the conduct described in subparagraph (A)--

`(I) interferes with commercial or other economic activity in which the victim is engaged at the time of the conduct; or

`(II) otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce.

`( Certification Requirement- No prosecution of any offense described in this subsection may be undertaken by the United States, except under the certification in writing of the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, or any Assistant Attorney General specially designated by the Attorney General that--

`(1) such certifying individual has reasonable cause to believe that the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person was a motivating factor underlying the alleged conduct of the defendant; and

`(2) such certifying individual has consulted with State or local law enforcement officials regarding the prosecution and determined that--

`(A) the State does not have jurisdiction or does not intend to exercise jurisdiction;

`( the State has requested that the Federal Government assume jurisdiction;

`( C )the State does not object to the Federal Government assuming jurisdiction; or

`(D) the verdict or sentence obtained pursuant to State charges left demonstratively unvindicated the Federal interest in eradicating bias-motivated violence.

' Definitions- In this section--

`(1) the term `explosive or incendiary device' has the meaning given such term in section 232 of this title;

`(2) the term `firearm' has the meaning given such term in section 921(a) of this title; and

`(3) the term `gender identity' for the purposes of this chapter means actual or perceived gender-related characteristics.

`(d) Rule of Evidence- In a prosecution for an offense under this section, evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense. However, nothing in this section affects the rules of evidence governing impeachment of a witness.'.

( Technical and Conforming Amendment- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new item:

`249. Hate crime acts.'.

SEC. 7. SEVERABILITY.

If any provision of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the application of the provisions of such to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby.

SEC. 8. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Passed the House of Representatives May 3, 2007.

Attest:

LORRAINE C. MILLER,

Clerk.

If this link doesn't work: http://rs9.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:4:...p/~c110H9zI53::


Click on the link and use key words: "Hate crimes", to search Thomas Library of Congress
http://rs9.loc.gov/home/c110query.html

Where's the ACLU? Oh, yeah, they aren't a rights-protecting group, they're an agenda driven group!

It really is no surprise.

For 200 years, America has enjoyed God's protection over the churches and the establishment of religion.

No more.

Hate crimes, hate speech,,,

Many have been wreckless with God's word,,,,turning it to suit their needs, their pride, their own understanding.
many have willingly let themselves become ignorant with God's truth,,,picking and choosing, adding to and taking away from, twisting and turning.

It is not hard to figure out why we may no longer be recieving His blessings of protection from these very laws.

History repeats,,,,
Israel unfaithfull,,,,God allowed her enemies to rise against her.
Amerika churches unfaithfull,,,, her enemies have risen against her.

Signs of the times indeed.

The ACLU will be along soon enough to chain the doors.
Then what?

So , what do you think will happen when this Hate Crime law comes into action and combines with the IRS situation in the church today? (IRS LINK)

IRS=no preaching of the return of Christ and Jesus is the only way, do not preach end-time prophecy , because it demonises the government of the day, combined with : Do not preach against sin (homosexuality, abortion etc) be politically correct.

Will you go against the law?
C

501c3 is nothing new...it is to help non-profits get money through other options such as grants. It also helps to protect against fraud. Although churches are tax exempt they still have to file paperwork with the IRS, just as any business does in this country. Non-profits are considered businesses just as corporations are...they have payroll and overhead just like the big businesses do. They are scrutinized because of the grants that they may recieve, and the guidlines for the use of such charity and grants...it is for the 501c3's benefit as well as the doner (charity) and/or grants given.

Click on a file and read...some of the files are in pdf format, so you will need an adobe to read them.

http://www.irs.gov/charities/churches/index.html

I am adding in here, that if it hadn't been for churches that were able to receive grants, there may not ahve been such an outpouring of help during Huricane Katrina...many such grants are earmarked for such things as disasters, shelters etc. This is actually one thing that the US government and IRS has right. When our Homeland Security plan fell through, it was the churches that came to the rescue...let's not put down something that actually works.

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?


Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?


Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.


Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?


Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.


Mat 22:22 When they had heard [these words], they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Yes Tigger, but that talks about paying your personal taxes and not telling us to sign agreements with the government to get tax breaks if we preach according to the prescribed rules of the world system.

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

In this situation they are giving that which is God's (the freedom of preaching the pure Word ) to Ceasar.They are really submitting to the laws that tell them what they will and will not preach.And that for money. It has a direct link with the attitude of Judas. I promise you one thing: This is the attitude of the Harlot.
C

no, C, JESUS spoke concerning things that we deal with in government...not just of taxes. Even JESUS submitted to Roman law concerning HIS death upon the cross. All governments are in HIS HANDS, not ours...whether or not we like something is different, but it doesn't change the situation.
Peace to you brother.

We are to submit to our Kings that God has put in place,,,,unless they tell us to disobey God.


Daniel in the lions Den = Man of God caught between God and Government


Shadrack, Meshack, and Abendigo = Men of God caught between God and Government


The Mark of the beast is on its way,,,,,,God says take it and perish,,,,,,,,Man says take it or die.


Jesus would have,,,,paid his taxes,,,,crossed at the crosswalk,,,wore his seatbelt,,,,recycled his newspapers (if there was an ordinace for that) driven within speed limits,,etc
(the laws of the kings of the land to keep order)

BUT.....

Would Jesus have accepted the mark of the beast if it was a law?
Would he have stopped praying to God if it was a law?
Would he have worshipped a statue of nebachennazar if it was a law?
(Laws against God's word)

Amen RAF Ogg. Tigger, I am not here to fight and convince. If you feel that its good and right to join the church to the government because they say you must, nothing I will say will change your mind.

I want to know how far will you follow your government as they dictate to you how to run your church?

Make it simple: If they tell you not to preach against homosexuality because it is against the law to preach such a sermon, will you say that the church must obey that law?
C

Your answer lies here:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.


These things were told to us in the BIBLE...

Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.


I'm not worried, because I know that the LORD reigns.

Rom 13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute [is due]; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

...there are more scriptures....

I agree and will add my answer here as well...

C, last night I discussed this with my husband and this was his reply:

"If I use the calling the Lord placed me to tout goverment I then become the voice of the government and not the voice of God. We are called to preach the gospel. We are to trust the Lord to place in the hearts of men the direction the Lord wants men to vote, NOT preach how they should vote from the pulpit. WE are to preach the Word of God only."

GOD placed into existance men to be used by HIM to fulfill prophecy. He established government for HIS glory, not the glory of men. I know full well you know that if you look into this with an intellect your going to get what your touting and it's just not the truth...If anything it's alarmist! Not to alarm the people to a truth, but to lead them into an untruth.

I am not going to argue with you about it either. When Jesus stood before Pilate and Herod and they spoke untruth, Jesus remained silent. He didn't argue and debate with them period! He only spoke when a truth was to be spoken. It won't matter to you how many scriptures I can post, you know as well as I that only God can change the heart of man. You stand where you do and I stand where I do regarding this issue...

So be it.

Amen

I think you are thinking that I am saying that you must preach politics form the pulpit. Well, you should not.
I am not saying that you should preach ANY political message.
I am saying: By joining, you are in fact agreeing that they have the power to tell you that you have to preach within certain boundaries. Those boundaries are man's boundaries, not that of the gospel.

The world now has a say in how God's people may or may not run the church.

Tigger, you may quote those scriptures but they do not say anything that we should join the world system in any way. In fact these scriptures tell you NOT to:

Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Amo 3:3 Shall two walk together, except they have agreed?

but as you say:

The quote wasn't mine, C.

Anyway here is another set of verses to chew on:

1Ti 2:1 ¶ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Ye Tigger, that is a good scripture and very true. It is the Word of the Lord. It says that we must pray for our leaders.It is also not talking about joining the church to the world system.There are a lot of scripture about government and submission. But then our Lord also supplied us with the balance scriptures that tells you when you are not to submit to your government.When we follow those scriptures we normally find ourselves on the outside, persecuted. A scary place if we are not fully aware of the scriptures that promises our protection.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.







OK, that's it from me on this subject. I am free to air my view on something like this and so are you. I just pray that in the times that is coming we will all enter into it, prayerfully and knowing the Word and applying the Word correctly. The Word is our Rock and without it we are lost.

I am not anybodies enemy, when I warn about something that I think might get you into trouble with the Lord. Its a sign of love. If I hated, I would not care if you took the sign of the antichrist. But I care.

in Christ
C

Would any Christian want anyone to fall into the ac's hands? Yet the Bible tells us that many will be martyred. We are to honor the government that we live in, and to live by its laws, it doesn't mean that we have to like the laws, but all laws and govenment agencies were mandated by GOD.

Deu 4:7 For what nation [is there so] great, who [hath] God [so] nigh unto them, as the LORD our God [is] in all [things that] we call upon him [for]?

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

GOD will remove us from harm...that is HIS WORD.

1Pe 3:13 ¶ And who [is] he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?

I do not fear the law of the land, I fear GOD.

May the LORD bless you, my dear brother.