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Terral
Greetings:

This post contains a recent letter to the New York Police Department filing an official complaint against the true terrorists behind the 9/11 attacks, but with my personal information omitted and picture linking changed to actual pictures for easier reading. The more I investigate the evidence from the 9/11 attacks, the more it dawns on me that New York’s Finest were used as pawns in a deadly charade that destroyed over 3000 American lives and is continuing to kill even more.

NYPD:

My name is Terral L. Croft and I am the son of a General Contractor who is also the son of a General Contractor with decades of experience in building demolition and construction. Much of my free time, since the fifth anniversary of 9/11, has been spent gathering and assimilating data on those attacks and the discrepancies between the evidence and the Official Bush Administration Cover Stories. I am drafting this letter in the minutes after making my request for a contact and email address on Saturday April 28th, 2007, but with anticipation of being read by a very skeptical audience. After all, the NYPD has been on the case for over five years, so who is this guy to be contacting you in the first place? I understand that you must receive messages like this all the time, but I must ask you to please put away your defenses for a few minutes to examine the evidence very carefully and decide for yourselves. There is a truckload of ‘disinformation’ out there clouding the judgment of Americans on these 9/11 topics, that you must recognize and purge from your mental environment for this waking-up process to have any impact whatsoever.

Please allow me to begin with the cases of Flight 93 (Shanksville) and Flight 77 (Pentagon), before focusing in on the evidence relating to WTC-7 and the Twin Towers attacks. While this presentation is prepared for the skeptical reader, I must also expect that you have some expertise in weighing the evidence to separate fact from fiction. Therefore, we must concentrate and focus on the evidence and not upon our own preconceived notions engrained in our minds by the Media.

http://911review.org/93/maps/

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Go through all of the pictures to realize no 100-ton Jetliner ever crashed in the field outside of Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Nobody on earth can show you the 60 tons of high grade aluminum, the two multi-ton Rolls Royce Engines, fuselage, seats, cargo, tail section or anything else, because no Jetliner ever crashed here. Use your own search engine to try and locate a single picture of crashed Jetliner looking anything like the real deal:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pent1/othercrashes.html

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When you are thoroughly convinced that no 100-ton Jetliner crashed anywhere near Shanksville, then examine the evidence for Flight 77 supposedly crashing into the Pentagon:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pent1/details.html

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The top link is to the official website and the photobucket links are to my own archive of the evidence. I am forced to use the photobucket account, because these websites oftentimes restrict the linking to their pictures. None of the original pictures have been altered in any way, unless otherwise noted in a demonstration. This ‘impact scale’ picture shows the West Wedge “E-Ring” wall of the Pentagon, after the fire was extinguished the first time, but before the second and subsequent floors have fallen. Note that only two windows from the second floor are destroyed completely and that some of the windows in direct proximity to those remain unbroken. The most important items in this picture are the cable spools standing in front of the E-Ring wall. The distance from the tops of those cable spools to the bottom of the still intact second floor is only about seven feet! Note the three orange columns bent back in our direction and away from the original blast zone located inside the white circle. How did an almost 50-foot tall and 125-foot wide 100-ton Jetliner pass over those cable spools and under the second floor and leave those columns standing? Do the firemen look concerned about saving anyone from the 100-ton Jetliner? No! Look carefully at the green lawn for any sign of Jetliner debris and you will find none.

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Here is another shot of the same picture that shows the West Wedge wall still very much intact and nothing on the lawn at all. How did 100 tons of Jetliner pass into that wall? You should be able to see that is very much impossible. The Official Bush Administration Cover Story says 100 tons of jetliner vaporized into thin air, before even striking the Pentagon, but take an even closer look at the cable spools:

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The amount of energy required to vaporize 60 tons of high grade aluminum, the twin Rolls Royce engines and everything else is astronomical. So how does kerosene vaporize the Jetliner, but the black plastic covering is still on these spools?? Do you see any melted aluminum anywhere? No! You are looking at the aftermath of a Tomahawk Missile attack, which left the ‘inside’ of the Pentagon burning red hot (over cable spools), but the West Wedge wall shielded these spools from the initial blast; which tipped two of those spools back in our direction with the three bent columns. Donald Rumsfeld told Parade Magazine that this damage was done by a ‘missile’ on the day after 9/11.

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%2...-Flight-77.html

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This brings us to the five ‘official’ frames released by the Pentagon (running beside Rumsfeld’s words shaded in yellow) showing their version of the Jetliner. These five frames show that Donald Rumsfeld’s original statements to Parade were indeed correct AND the Official Bush Administration Cover Story of today is a LIE. Watch the little running video over and over again to recognize the ‘white vapor trail’ common to Tomahawk Missiles. Please follow along in this little exercise to gain the full impact of what you are really looking at:

http://www.ibiblio.org/ch-indymedia/upload...osion-new-x.htm

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This is the first frame showing our flying object entering the screen on the far right in direct line with the top of the right hand column. These construction cones are made at 28 inches to conform to DOT specifications. We can use that information to calculate the height of the right hand column to be just about 5 feet in elevation above the ground. Then sight the horizon in the distance to realize our camera elevation is being held parallel to the ground at that 5 foot elevation. Run your eyes across the top of the right hand column to also realize the flying object is ‘centered’ at precisely the same 5 foot height above the ground. Then measure the distance between the ground and the center of the flying object to realize that distance is a bit over twice the diameter of the flying object itself. In other words, our flying object in this picture cannot be greater than just under 2 feet in diameter, which just happens to be the size of a Tomahawk Missile ( http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-109.html#_SLCM )! Note the distorted characteristics of the white flying object (frame 1 pic) entering the right hand of the picture to realize it is traveling at about the speed of sound and creating a ‘bow shockwave’ that is distorting the air around it. The missile is transferring energy from the engine to the bow shockwave, which extended out on both sides and knocked down these light poles along the trajectory heading:

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This missile descended from 7000 feet to make a 270 degree turn and strike the only section of the Pentagon to be renovated with a sprinkler system in just about 2 and a half minutes like this:

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Even our elite fighter pilots cannot make this hairpin turn and descend over a mile and fly just above the ground in a 100-ton Jetliner Pig! Instead of being under 2 feet in diameter, a real picture of a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner should look more like this:

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When you raise the entire Jetliner up to pass over the tops of those cable spools, then we are already very much into the third floor, which does not even begin to account for the tail section standing almost 50 feet above the tarmac. There is no government requisition for removing over 60 tons of aluminum from either of these crash sites, because there was never any Jetliner crash in either case. The Pentagon is protected by five highly sophisticated missile batteries that had to be turned off from the ‘inside’ for this kind of attack to even take place. Dick Eastman’s assessments on Rumsfeld’s involvement tell the story:

http://www.bedoper.com/eastman/rumsfeld.htm

Jamie McIntire, the chief Pentagon Correspondent from CNN gave his “No Plane” testimony from in front of the Pentagon on 9/11:

http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/index.html

This leads us to the WTC-7 cases that do fall within the jurisdiction of the New York Police Department.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WTC7_Collapse.mpg

Hold your cursor on the round scrollbar and move WTC-7 up and down again and again to realize the center of the building is collapsing ahead of the two sides. The Official Bush Administration Cover Story says falling debris from WTC-1 traveled over 350 feet to impact WTC-7, which caused a chain reaction that caused the entire 47 story steel skyscraper to come tumbling down into its own footprint. That claim is not only ridiculous and supported by none of the evidence, but it is very much impossible; as no steel skyscraper in the history of this planet has fallen down due to fire, before or since 9/11. The problem with the Official Cover Story is that building fires burn at around 800 degrees ( http://www.schwabcorp.com/faqs.htm = #8), while the steel columns and beams in WTC-7 begin melting at 2800 degrees. WTC-7 was designed and built using ‘Compartmentalization’ of all supporting beams and columns, which eliminated ‘fire’ as a probable cause:

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardi...wtc/WTC_ch5.htm

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The beams were separated by solid concrete slabs horizontally and curtain walls vertically, which does not even account for the 3-hour ‘spray-on’ fireproofing on all the columns and those encased in gypsum wallboard. Any ‘fuel source’ would run out long before penetrating these safety features, as the typical building fire burns in a single location for an average of only 20 minutes.

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Take a long look at the steel framework we are talking about and try to imagine how any number of building fires could reduce that into this . . .

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. . . in just a matter of hours. The energy required for severing all of these supporting columns, girders and beams simultaneously is off the charts! There is simply no way for ‘all’ of the compartments to become penetrated by any ‘fire’ that could cause the catastrophic failure of ‘all’ the supporting beams and columns at the very same time. The only way this is made possible is through ‘controlled demolition’ and evidence for that is everywhere in WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...eidentified.htm

If you are not aware of the destructive properties of ‘termite’ and how this compound is used in controlled demolition, then take a little time and watch these demonstrations.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/thermite.jpg [click on link: I am over my limit :0) ]

The American Free Press writer Christopher Bollyn’s ‘discusses the evidence’ commentary is attached to the picture of the NY Firemen standing among the fallen supporting columns. Direct your attention to the column just above the head of the fireman facing us:

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This is a cut from that picture used to make this demonstration: Note the “Termite Residue” flowing on the ‘outside’ and ‘inside’ of the massive column with the 45-degree ‘shaped charge’ cut.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_charges.html

This same picture is used to demonstrate “shaped charges” on this website with information about how they are used to make column lines ‘walk’ in a desired direction. Iron workers do not use these 45-degree cuts during demolition using torches, because they use more fuel and are very dangerous. Look carefully at the ‘cut3’ picture above to realize molten iron has poured out in ‘our direction’ to spill onto the face of the column. How did any iron worker stand ‘inside’ the column to make this cut? The answer is that this column was taken down using a ‘shaped termite charge’ that burns at 2500 Degrees Centigrade, which caused three quarters of the burn to fall ‘outside’ the column and about one quarter to fall on the ‘inside.’ This column is standing about 6 feet over the top of the fireman’s head, which is more evidence that no ironworker make this cut at all. Move down the ‘shaped charges’ webpage to find this picture:

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Here again we see stub columns cut using ‘shaped charges’ and a 45-degree angle.

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Here is a picture of the ‘SAVE’ columns showing what the steel supports above those stub columns would look like with their corresponding 45-degree cuts. However, the “Official Bush Administration Cover Story” says WTC-7 was taken down by fire. So where is the evidence of melted steel on either the larger upper sections or the shorter stub columns? How do you explain the fact that only the 45-degree shape charge cuts appear as culprits in this crime? Again, the ‘fire theory’ simply does not match the ‘evidence’ in this case. Here is another of my demonstration pictures matching up the upper column with the shorter stub column:

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The longer upper column shows signs of stress from an immense amount of pressure shifting during the ‘controlled demolition’ process. The ‘shaped termite charge’ burns very quickly at 2500 Degrees Centigrade to begin the ‘sliding’ process. The upper column moves to the left, while the much shorter stub column is moved to the right. For a brief period measured in milliseconds, the massive weight bearing down through this column was transferred from the very right side of the upper column to the lower left side of the stub column. That caused the upper column to ‘bend’ under the extreme pressure, while the lower stub column was moved to the right. These are all signs of ‘controlled demolition,’ because any ironworker torch cut would not place these extreme pressures on the upper and lower steel segments. In fact, the ironworker arguments all go out the window when you begin looking at all the evidence:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/imploded.html

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Find the “45 Degree Angle Shaped Charge” Cut in the upper right hand corner to realize no ironworker climbed up there to make this cut using any torch. Do you see any signs that these steel columns failed due to being melted by fire? No. Where is the fire damage on any of the 90-degree cut Column Ends; and if these were cut by iron workers, then why are they still present in the debris? Standard procedure is to ‘cut and remove’ the iron debris to avoid shifting any weight that can endanger the workers. These workers have tons of debris to remove, before they can even think about cutting through the massive steel columns and beams, but as you can see many of them are cut already!

You are probably aware of Larry Silverstein’s “Pull it” statements better than this guy from Florida.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

Mr. Silverstein’s statements are far more incriminating that many realize:

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"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."


1. The pictures of WTC-7 falling at almost ‘freefall speed’ . . .

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardi...wtc/WTC_ch5.htm

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/fig-5-20.jpg

. . . do not even show evidence of fire in the unbroken windows. Remember our massive columns and beams are located very near these windows and require 2,800 degrees to begin melting. The entire WTC-7 building has sprinklers installed and fire alarms that never went off, but for some reason ‘pulling it’ made more sense than putting out the fire.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/fig-5-23.jpg

Note the 'kink' created in the top of the collapsing structure taken down by 'controlled demolition.'

2. Setting these shaped charges all over WTC-7, to compromise all the compartmentalized safeguards, requires weeks or even months by a highly skilled demolition crew. There is simply no way that Mr. Silverstein decides to ‘pull it’ and the entire 47 stories comes tumbling down into its own footprint without careful planning and execution of that plan.

3. If the ‘decision’ was made to ‘pull it,’ then why is Mr. Silverstein seeking a claim for a ‘fire’ related catastrophe?

4. The ‘time’ required to set all of these charges means Mr. Silverstein had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which was also knowledge held by then Mayor Giuliani.

What many Americans do not know is that Mayor Giuliani was heading up the second of five “Anti-Terror” Exercises leading up to 9/11.

http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/wargames_cover.htm

Mayor Giuliani’s responsibility was to carry out the provisions of “Biowarfare Exercise Tripod 2”, which included FEMA setting up emergency operations in New York City for themselves, the City of New York and the Justice Department. FEMA showed up the day before 9/11 to set up that emergency command center on the 23rd floor of WTC-7 in Giuliani’s 15-million dollar upgraded Emergency Command Bunker. However, Mayor Giuliani also tipped his hand about foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks by diverting the FEMA people to set up operations at Pier 29 instead. Giuliani got his wires crossed and forgot that he was supposed to send FEMA to Pier 29 ‘after’ the Twin Towers were attacked and not on the day prior to 9/11. Giuliani told Peter Jennings, “We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse,” but that would have been impossible on 9/10! These five anti-terrorist warfare exercises included ‘live-fly’ exercises using up to 22 hi-jacked aircraft under the direction of Vice-president Dick Cheney.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm

President Bush was hiding conspicuously down here in Florida to help separate himself from all of these ‘war games’ being carried out right under our noses. As you know, Giuliani is currently the leading Republican candidate for president of these United States, which will represent "Four More Years" of Senor Bush and his evil out-of-control Administration. The Department of Justice is implicated by their involvement with Giuliani in the Biowarfare Tripod 2 exercise, which gave that office and the Department of Defense, the Joint-Chiefs, NORAD and everyone involved ‘prior knowledge’ of the 9/11 attacks. The 9/11 Commission Fiasco represents the ‘insiders’ using a ploy in an attempt to ‘cover up’ their involvement in these crimes against We The People. Senor Bush has been using the War in Iraq to smokescreen and divert our attention away from the ‘true terrorists’ working within our own Federal and State Governments. This is all about bringing in their North American Union that destroys American Sovereignty while undermining our God-given rights of our US Constitution and Bill of Rights. My model predicts these same ‘insider terrorists’ will attack again, but this time they will be using a nuclear warhead in their Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile, when operation “Long Reach” strikes the northeastern quadrant of Oakland, California. In other words, someone with the authority in New York City must begin bringing the ‘true terrorists’ to justice, or they will certainly strike again to bring this once great country under Martial Law. Our military has been practicing ‘urban-warfare’ in Iraq for all these years in anticipation of bringing them home to merge with Federal, State and Local law enforcement people just like you! My work on this topic can be found here:

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...=10611&st=0

I am more than happy to assist you in anyway possible in bringing these evil men to justice and to set things right, so We The People can have closure and begin working together to make our country great once again. Thank you very much and God bless you,

Sincerely,

Terral L. Croft

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Sent : Saturday, April 28, 2007 11:28 AM

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diverteach
Didn't spew enough of this trash in a previous thread that you needed to start a new one?

Our government couldn't conspire to pull something like 9/11 off. It's TOO inept.
AngelaNPraise
Some people thrive on vain imaginations.
senteami3
I've come to a point to think/believe that regardless who pulled this horrible thing, it was meant to occur.
And that's what the most important. To me, the 9/11 events are a major end times sign. And maybe, the questions are being asked at last for a purpose; maybe people are going to wake up and smell the coffee, instead of thiking how much money they are going to make from now on.

To me, this is as important as this end time sign; because if people wake up, they will see that there is something bad wrong with our world, and something YET BIGGER at play, much bigger than any government here on earth!!! sleep.gif

It is only my prayer that EVERYONE who has been studying this extraordinary scenario, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE UNSAVED, will finally come to the conclusion that there is a God, and that he can be a endlessly loving being, as well as a supreme judge... 1dsz5h2.gif

Terral
Hi Diverteach, Angela, Laurel:

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Diver >> Didn't spew enough of this trash in a previous thread that you needed to start a new one? Our government couldn't conspire to pull something like 9/11 off. It's TOO inept.


The ‘true terrorists’ behind the 9/11 attacks used our government officials as chess pieces to forward their Globalist Agenda of bringing in their New World Order and the North American Union.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=50618

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Bush sneaking North American super-state without oversight?

Mexico, Canada partnership underway with no authorization from Congress


Posted: June 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Despite having no authorization from Congress, the Bush administration has launched extensive working-group activity to implement a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada.

The membership of the working groups has not been published, nor has their work product been disclosed, despite two years of massive effort within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

The groups, working under the North American Free Trade Agreement office in the Department of Commerce, are to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005.


Our US Constitution gives “Congress” the authority over all international trade relations ( http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8 ), saying,

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Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures . . .


President Bush has no authority under our Constitution to be making trilateral agreements with Canada, Mexico or anyone else, except that he is misusing Patriot Act authority in an attempt to bypass Congress to bring in his North American Union by also misrepresenting the provisions of NAFTA. Senor Bush is working behind the scenes through nonprofit organizations like NASCO ( http://www.nascocorridor.com/ ) propped up by the same Global Elitists for jamming this North American Union down our American throats without any Congressional Oversight and far beyond the will of We The People. The 9/11 attacks and the cover up represent just one small piece of the puzzle that our Globalist Corporate Entities would rather you never see. Former Mayor Giuliani is their Republican candidate for ‘Four More Years’ of Senor Bushie’s Open Borders Agenda with Hillary Clinton being the Democratic candidate from the other side of the equation. While our elected officials are indeed ‘inept’ and could never pull this kind of thing off by themselves, the Globalist Agenda has been in place since long before anyone here was born. A crime was committed against We The People on 9/11 and the ‘true terrorists’ are still out there and they continue to manipulate every level of our Federal and State governments. A comparison between the discrepancies of the 9/11 ‘evidence’ and the Official Bush Administration Cover Story gives us an opportunity to bring down the ‘shadow government’ puppeteers manipulating our government officials from behind the scenes. While I know the identities of the ‘true terrorists’ working through their Trilateral Commission and Council On Foreign Relations proxies, our law enforcement agencies (NYPD in the WTC-7 case) with jurisdiction and authority over the 9/11 crimes must do their jobs in accordance to where the ‘evidence’ leads them.

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Angela >> Some people thrive on vain imaginations.


The 9/11 ‘evidence’ from the Opening Post is only the very tip of the iceberg revealing an insidious dark underbelly working night and day for the destruction of American Sovereignty and our American way of life. Global Corporate Interests are exporting jobs overseas at record pace and doing everything to open our borders to the cheapest labor possible. Any citizen from any country on earth need only get into the USA illegally and Senor Bush with our ‘do nothing’ Congress stand ready to give them Amnesty for a reward in engaging in illegal activities. The 9/11 ‘evidence’ simply does not match the Official Bush Administration and Department of Defense Cover Stories. Can you show us one picture of Flight 93 crashed outside of Shanksville? No you cannot! Were you able to overcome any of the Pentagon evidence showing it impossible for a 100-ton Jetliner to pass over those cable spools and under the second floor? No you did not. Can you show us a single picture of a crashed Jetliner at the Pentagon? Well?

My side has presented a solid case using actual pictures taken on the scene in each of these 9/11 cases. Where is your evidence to prop up the Official Bushie Lies??? Where is your precedent for a 47-story steel skyscraper falling into its own footprint just hours after being struck by no Jetliner or anything else? Are you still unaware of the fact that no steel skyscraper has collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11, in US history? How does anything travel over 350 feet from WTC-1 to create fires throughout WTC-7 that could possibly cause the ‘simultaneous’ catastrophic failure of ‘all’ the supporting columns, girders and beams in just a few hours? How did all of the ‘compartmentalized’ sections of WTC-7 become compromised to allow for all of the steel supports to become ‘severed’ simultaneously? Were you able to overcome any of the photographic evidence or even one of my arguments showing 9/11 was certainly an ‘inside job?’ No you could not! Those among you with no ‘evidence’ and no ‘case’ at all should be numbered among the readers of this thread. Over half of New Yorkers believe 9/11 was an inside job and that number is growing larger every day. Many of you refuse to realize that Senor Bush and the most corrupt Administration in US history has enjoyed a Republican dominated Congress all this time using no Congressional Oversight at all. That has allowed the true terrorists the luxury of working in the shadows, but the lights are about to be turned on very brightly to find the rats trying desperately to escape the sinking ship. In the end this 9/11 attack and cover up will be handled by the appropriate law enforcement authorities with encouragement from those among We The People who know the difference.

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Laurel >> Terral, I would like a list of what you have, where you have gotten it.


Right now I am consumed by the fact that the ‘true terrorists’ used the New York City Police and Firemen as their pawns in a deadly charade that left thousands of Americans dead. Since Flight 93 and Flight 77 did not crash in the Shanksville field or into the Pentagon, then obviously those deaths became ‘murders’ at a different location. Americans dying from hijacked Jetliners crashing in New York is one thing, but our public servants dying amid ‘insider terrorists’ carrying out ‘controlled demolition’ of buildings is the murder of innocent Americans. Our focus here is upon the ‘discrepancies’ between the 9/11 ‘evidence’ and the Official Bush Administration Cover Stories, so we can begin bringing the ‘true terrorists’ to justice.

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Laurel >> I want to see for myself if I come up with the same thing as you.


You have sufficient evidence in the Opening Post of this thread to begin your own investigation of the Flight 93, Flight 77 and WTC-7 cases. My investigation is focused on those three related cases, because the ‘discrepancies’ are the most dramatic and plainly obvious to many reviewing this information from an unbiased perspective. The biggest problem we face is so much ‘disinformation’ is out there that Americans must unlearn many things they thought previously to be truth in order to make room for what the ‘evidence’ is truly showing to be facts in these cases. The Bush Administration Opinion Molding Media Machine has been working for over five years shaping the minds of Americans through a massive cover up campaign, which is why so many US Citizens are having trouble waking up. While you can see some of our sleepwalkers voicing displeasure with my choice of topics, try to find just one among them who can show us a crashed Jetliner in the field outside of Shanksville or at the Pentagon. Who among them can give us a sound explanation of how this . . .

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. . . was transformed into this . . .

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. . . in just a few hours?? Anyone? No sir. WTC-6 stood between WTC-1 and WTC-7 and suffered damage:

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Everyone saw WTC-1 FALL DOWN with floor collapsing upon floor upon floor and so on.

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Here is a picture of WTC-1 collapsing ‘straight down’ and WTC-7 standing tall above the debris cloud. WTC-6 is consumed in falling debris and is damaged only, but somehow we are supposed to believe the skyscraper some 350 feet away and just recently possessed that summer by Larry Silverstein collapsed into its own footprint from some mysterious fire. Nobody here can make a case for how all of the compartmentalized sections were even compromised by fire or anything else other than ‘controlled demolition.’ Watch the video again:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WTC7_Collapse.mpg

Go ahead and try to make a case for this being anything other than the setting of thermite charges and a ‘Pull it!’ command from Larry Silverstein. The Opening Post shows the steel beams sitting next to the exterior windows:

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Note the ‘spray-on’ fireproofing and realize this steel beam requires 2800 degrees for the melting process to begin. Here is a picture of WTC-7 falling at almost free-fall speed:

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Do you see any fire in the windows? No. How then did the protected steel beams and columns become ‘severed’ and all at the same time? You do not even see a broken window anywhere from the top to the very bottom of the building, but someone here is supposed to prove this happened from setting a few fires! In order to ‘see’ the truth, you must be willing to open up your eyes to the ‘facts’ told by the ‘evidence’ without regard to what anyone around you is saying. That does not mean to sit there and be spoon-fed by Terral either, which requires you to examine everything from the beginning FOR YOURSELF. Compare that to the Official Bush Administration Cover Stories and you are on your own way to solving these cases for yourself. By the time WTC-7 fell another 100 feet . . .

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. . . then we begin to see signs of ‘fire’ near the bottom of this picture from the massive amounts of smoke billowing out from below. The “Kink” is showing that the center of the building is collapsing at a faster rate than the two sides, which is the telltale sign of ‘controlled demolition.’ This skyscraper fire burned for over a day . . .

http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/mad...ing_inferno.htm

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Do you see anything like blasting away the windows in the WTC-7 pictures above? No! How did the Madrid skyscraper survive??!! As shown in the Opening Post, building fires burn at around 800 degrees, but the steel supports begin melting at 2,800 degrees. The entire Madrid skyscraper could have burned from the top to the bottom, but the steel frame would remain standing. Remember that all the steel columns, girders and beams are bolted and welded together to create a continuous connection between ‘all’ the steel members. Everyone knows steel is an excellent conductor of heat, which you can demonstrate by holding a piece of steel rebar in your hand while the other end is held in a fire. Any fire that started in one area of WTC-7 would have burned the fuel source LONG before even penetrating the ‘spray-on’ fireproofing. The heat is transferred from the source to be carried throughout the entire WTC-7 framework, which would cause a temperature increase in ‘all’ the steel. You can bet that even the steel columns far away from the roof in that Madrid fire became warm or even hot to the touch, because the heat traveled throughout the entire steel frame of the building.

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Laurel >> Note, im not one to go with these kinds of things, so i clearly would have no motive to take sides.


Our motive is always to come to the knowledge of ‘the truth’ and establish God’s righteousness and justice in the process. Suppose every word of my testimony here is 100 percent truth and the real ‘bad guys’ are working behind the scenes in our government. What if there is truly a conspiracy to destroy American Sovereignty by the dissolution of our borders and the North American Union is becoming a reality right under our very noses? Should your children be forced to live under the totalitarian rule of a Fascist State where they must compete with 20 illegals living in one house for jobs? Of course, those will no longer be ‘illegals,’ because Senor Bush (or his Globalist replacement) signs a treaty for the ‘Free Migration’ of all the subjects of CanAmeriMexico. All of the paperwork is already signed ( http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005/Mar/23-209281.html ) and NASCO is doing the job of our Congress in establishing logistics for the North American Corridor:

How many of you have even heard of the “North American Facilitation of Transportation, Trade, Reduced Congestion & Security” Project for the North American Corridor?

http://www.nascocorridor.com/pages/projects/projects.htm

This nonprofit organization is planning to license foreign nationals giving them rights to use our United States Interstate System and put the money into their own pockets! These yoyo’s have Corporate Lobbyists in Washington manipulating legislation for the implementation of their North American Union right under our very noses. They are subverting Congressional Oversight and empowering themselves to take over negotiations of international trade with foreign governments without the consent of We The People or anyone from our Federal, State or Local governments. Our ‘do nothing’ Congress is sitting idly by and watching our American Sovereignty go right down the tubes. NASCO and their cohorts are modern day Nazis working for Corporate Elites to forward their “Open Borders Agenda.” You say, “So what does this have to do with 9/11?” The same people giving license and support to NASCO and this North American Union NONSENSE are the ‘true terrorists’ using our elected officials to carry out 9/11 and the cover up! Since when do Senor Bush and Senor McCain become bedfellows with the likes of Senator Edward Kennedy and Senator Clinton on “Comprehensive Amnesty For All Illegals”??? Senor Bush can pardon all the convicted ‘illegal’ drug smugglers and imprison all of our decorated border patrol agents and fire every US Attorney refusing to be a ‘Loyal Bushie’ and Congress will sit there twiddling their ‘do nothing’ fingers, because they are all in the pockets of the same Global Imperialists bringing in their New World Order. The White House must do all business through the normal White House messaging system, as a matter of Federal Law. And yet, fifty Bush Administration officials have been using Republican Party cell phones that purge messages every thirty days, which is a felony for each offense. What is Congress doing about that? Nothing! The Clinton Administration was served over 1000 Congressional Subpoenas, but the Bush Administration has seen only five and Senor Bush is crying bloody murder! The Bush Administration is crumbling in fear that one of these insiders will break the ‘9/11 Cover Up’ story and those relating to the coming illegal North American Union.

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Laurel >> I truthfully get angry when i see these thing, but instead of riping you one, i want to find it out for myself, and make up my own mind.


The time to make a stand for ‘Freedom Of Expression’ is when someone is offering his unpopular views. While I disagree with much of what many of the members here have to say on these topics, I will fight for your right to post those things here on this fine Board. If anything appears off in my Opening Post presentation, then please highlight that and by all means offer us your opposing views. These deliberations are all about coming to ‘the truth’ on these very important matters, whether they are popular or not.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
Messiahiscoming
Check out the evil looking face that emerges as the picture unfolds!




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Your Friend in Christ,

Val

Messiahisocming


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"Any serious effort at transformation must occur within the larger framework of U.S. National Security strategy, military and defense budgets. The United States cannot simply declare a "strategic pause" while experimenting with new technologies and operational concepts. Nor can it choose to pursue a transformation strategy that would decouple American and allied interests. A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies. Further, the process for transformation, even it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a New Pearl Harbor" (page 50-51 PENAC document"

You can read the PENAC document here in PDF format.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebuildi...casDefenses.pdf

Its about the project of the New American Century and global leadership.
2 Chronicles 32:7
Haha, just hoping for the moment to come when we will all see what's really going on and who our government sold itself for. But until the bubble burst, we can live in the moment. God bless you all, and hopely we'll all mend our ways before the Day of the Lord.

"Woe to you who long for the Day of the Lord"...
hope
Sorry..just can't buy this! It hurts to think of such a thing. I just don't believe that GB or anyone in our own country would do such a thing. Those who hate us ..Yes, but not our own. We are up against a much more powerful enemy that some wish to admit and that is pure evil. I wonder why don't some of us "get" that we are a target of Islamic radicals who think their way is the only way and want to kill us. God Bless Us All.
Hope


Terral
Hi Hope:

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Hope >> Sorry..just can't buy this! It hurts to think of such a thing.


This thread has nothing to do with what Hope can buy or what might be hurt to think. For some reason you believe a 100-ton Jetliner crashed outside of Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Right? This is your grand opportunity to show everyone your ‘evidence’ that supports the Official Senor Bushie LIE! Here are the official Shanksville photos:

http://911review.org/93/maps/

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How can you hope to ever find the 125-foot wide and 155-foot long and almost 50-foot tall 100-ton Jetliner, when nothing like that ever crashed anywhere near Shanksville? Here is a picture to demonstrate the folly of the Official Bushie Administration Cover Story:

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This demonstration picture actually magnifies the size of the tiny little hole outside of Shansville! A Boeing 757-200 Jetliner has a maximum takeoff weight of 225,000 pounds or over 112 tons. How does one even begin to fit a real Jetliner into such a tiny hole in the first place?

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Hope >> I just don't believe that GB or anyone in our own country would do such a thing.


Then you are a fool ready, willing and able to be DUPED by the ‘true insider terrorists’ again and again and again. Where is your EVIDENCE proving the Official Bush Administration / Department of Defense Cover Story is true?? Your statements above already convict you of having no objectivity in this debate, because your mind is already made up with NO EVIDENCE at all. Senor Bush lied to you about Weapons Of Mass Destruction in Iraq and he lied to you about achieving victory in Iraq YEARS AGO. He lied to you about Flight 93 crashing in this field outside of Shanksville and he lied about Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Look at this picture taken on 9/11 at the Pentagon and tell everyone here what you see!

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pent1/lawndamage.html

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You are looking at a single entry hole above those cable spools, but where are the holes for the two multi-ton Rolls Royce Engines that should appear 50-feet apart on either side of your single hole? Well????

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How did your almost 50-foot tall Jetliner fit between the tops of those cable spools and the bottom of the second floor still very much intact? Do you even realize that space above the spools is only about 7 FEET???? Look at the wall behind those cable spools again:

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The fire is extinguished for the first time and the West Wedge Wall of the Pentagon is still very much intact! How did Senor Bushie’s 100-ton Jetliner pass through that solid wall??? Do you see one shred of Jetliner debris on the Pentagon lawn? No! Why not if your 100-ton Jetliner crashed here? Stop proving to everyone here your GULLIBILITY and preoccupation with Senor Bushies LIES and show us your EVIDENCE for why you believe his Official Cover Story. Use your own search engine to locate any pictures of Flight 93 (Shanksville) or Flight 77 (Pentagon) crashed ANYWHERE! Think about your position very carefully and consider for one minute that everything I am saying is 100 percent correct. You are out here defending Senor Bush, his henchman Senor Cheney, Larry Silverstein, Donald Rumsfeld and everyone else involved who will certainly stand before God for their active participation in 9/11 and the ensuing COVER UP. You have taken it upon yourself to assist them in their deception and in that day risk being judged RIGHT ALONG WITH THEM for assisting them in hiding the truth in unrighteousness. Where is the flaw in my evidence? How does this . . .

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. . . get transformed into this . . .

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. . . just a few hours after being struck by NOTHING similar to any 100-ton Jetliner? How does heat from a few fires pass through all of the concrete slabs and curtain walls and gypsum wallboard and 3-hour ‘spray on’ fireproofing ( http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardi...wtc/WTC_ch5.htm ) to ‘sever’ all of the columns, girders and beams at the ‘very same time’ to cause WTC-7 to fall into its own footprint in just a few hours? The scenario Senor Bush AND YOU are talking about is very much IMPOSSIBLE, because WTC-7 was designed and constructed using ‘compartmentalization’ of all supporting columns, girders and beams. That means a fire starting inside one of those sub-compartments cannot possibly spread to other compartments! No steel-framed skyscraper has collapsed due to fire in US history outside of 9/11.

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Hope >> Those who hate us ..Yes, but not our own.


Those who hate us? Please . . . There have been no new 9/11 attacks in the USA, because 9/11 was an ‘inside job’ that had nothing to do with any Bearded Jihadist Radicals. Did Osama make the 100-ton Jetliner outside of Shanksville disappear into thin air? No! There was NEVER ANY PLANE! Senor Bush needed his Patriot Act powers to sign the papers for the “Security and Prosperity Partnership” ( http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=50618 ) for the creation of the North American Union! Senor Bush needed his “Department of Homeland Insecurity” that mimics the SS and Gestapo serving Hitler back in WW2. How did we get Department of Homeland Security AND 20 million illegals running around loose in this country? Why is Senor Bush spying on Americans but allowing 20 million illegals to run too and fro from sea to shining sea with hopes of receiving Comprehensive Amnesty?? Why is Senor Bush pardoning convicted illegal drug smugglers at record pace, while imprisoning our decorated border patrol agents and firing US Attorney’s refusing to tow the “Loyal Bushie” line? Why is Senor Bush making plans to build the NASCO Super-Corridor from Mexico to Canada ( http://www.nascocorridor.com/pages/ports_n...rts_network.htm ) behind the backs of Congress and We The People that not only defies our US borders, but destroys United States Sovereignty? The USA is vanishing from existence and you sit there in the stench of your ignorance and support the very people responsible FOR OUR DEMISE!!!! Why did Senor Bush drag us into this Iraqi Civil War and why does he continue to give his “Loyal Bushie” oil baron buddies multi-billion dollar ‘no contest’ contracts for rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure that insurgents systematically destroy? Go ahead and defend Senor Bush and his cohorts all you like, but expect to stand with them at the Judgment before the Living God.

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Hope >>We are up against a much more powerful enemy that some wish to admit and that is pure evil.


You have been blinded by the Bush Administration Opinion Molding Media Machine and their illegal “War On Terror” Propaganda! Most Arab countries send their children to the USA for their education. No Arab country has any Navy sufficient for attacking or even offering a threat to the United States. These Arabs cannot even think beyond their local Middle East ambitions, which is why they are murdering other Arabs for the grab of power right there in Iraq! The simple truth is that Saddam Hussein was the most powerful man in Iraq and he kept the smaller factions under his control, but now the second most powerful man is destined to rise to power! Nobody in Iraq will be happy, until that man ascends to his throne and silences ALL of the opposition like in the days of Saddam Hussein. Everyone we put into power becomes our USA Proxy, which is an abomination to the billion Arabs in the region. Senor Bush and his Global Agenda henchmen are behind 9/11, the illegal Iraqi Civil War and the coming North American Union all part of the New World Order trying desperately to grow wings right under our noses! Zombies like you who follow Senor Bush BLINDLY are part of the problem, which makes ‘you’ the ‘powerful enemy’ that is indeed ‘pure evil.’

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Hope >> I wonder why don't some of us "get" that we are a target of Islamic radicals who think their way is the only way and want to kill us.


9/11 Was An Inside Job!!!! Wake up!!! Senor Bush is promising to protect you from Senor Bush and his evil cohorts who really perpetrated 9/11 on innocent US Citizens! If these statements appear harsh, then show us your pictures of a 100-ton Jetliner outside of Shanksville (Flight 93) or at the Pentagon (Flight 77)! Senor Bush told you that Islamic Radicals caused 9/11, but that is all part of his Official Bushie Administration LIE! How about if you just go ahead and admit that you have NO EVIDENCE to support the Official Bushie Administration Cover Story and announce to everyone that you are actively engaged in passing out his Propaganda for whatever LIE he drums up next? Do it! And at least be honest to yourself and everyone here . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
offgrid
QUOTE(Terral @ May 10 2007, 06:44 AM) [snapback]112036[/snapback]

Hi Hope:

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Hope >> Sorry..just can't buy this! It hurts to think of such a thing.


This thread has nothing to do with what Hope can buy or what might be hurt to think. For some reason you believe a 100-ton Jetliner crashed outside of Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Right? This is your grand opportunity to show everyone your ‘evidence’ that supports the Official Senor Bushie LIE! Here are the official Shanksville photos:

http://911review.org/93/maps/

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How can you hope to ever find the 125-foot wide and 155-foot long and almost 50-foot tall 100-ton Jetliner, when nothing like that ever crashed anywhere near Shanksville? Here is a picture to demonstrate the folly of the Official Bushie Administration Cover Story:

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This demonstration picture actually magnifies the size of the tiny little hole outside of Shansville! A Boeing 757-200 Jetliner has a maximum takeoff weight of 225,000 pounds or over 112 tons. How does one even begin to fit a real Jetliner into such a tiny hole in the first place?

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Hope >> I just don't believe that GB or anyone in our own country would do such a thing.


Then you are a fool ready, willing and able to be DUPED by the ‘true insider terrorists’ again and again and again. Where is your EVIDENCE proving the Official Bush Administration / Department of Defense Cover Story is true?? Your statements above already convict you of having no objectivity in this debate, because your mind is already made up with NO EVIDENCE at all. Senor Bush lied to you about Weapons Of Mass Destruction in Iraq and he lied to you about achieving victory in Iraq YEARS AGO. He lied to you about Flight 93 crashing in this field outside of Shanksville and he lied about Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Look at this picture taken on 9/11 at the Pentagon and tell everyone here what you see!

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pent1/lawndamage.html

IPB Image

You are looking at a single entry hole above those cable spools, but where are the holes for the two multi-ton Rolls Royce Engines that should appear 50-feet apart on either side of your single hole? Well????

IPB Image

How did your almost 50-foot tall Jetliner fit between the tops of those cable spools and the bottom of the second floor still very much intact? Do you even realize that space above the spools is only about 7 FEET???? Look at the wall behind those cable spools again:

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The fire is extinguished for the first time and the West Wedge Wall of the Pentagon is still very much intact! How did Senor Bushie’s 100-ton Jetliner pass through that solid wall??? Do you see one shred of Jetliner debris on the Pentagon lawn? No! Why not if your 100-ton Jetliner crashed here? Stop proving to everyone here your GULLIBILITY and preoccupation with Senor Bushies LIES and show us your EVIDENCE for why you believe his Official Cover Story. Use your own search engine to locate any pictures of Flight 93 (Shanksville) or Flight 77 (Pentagon) crashed ANYWHERE! Think about your position very carefully and consider for one minute that everything I am saying is 100 percent correct. You are out here defending Senor Bush, his henchman Senor Cheney, Larry Silverstein, Donald Rumsfeld and everyone else involved who will certainly stand before God for their active participation in 9/11 and the ensuing COVER UP. You have taken it upon yourself to assist them in their deception and in that day risk being judged RIGHT ALONG WITH THEM for assisting them in hiding the truth in unrighteousness. Where is the flaw in my evidence? How does this . . .

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. . . get transformed into this . . .

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. . . just a few hours after being struck by NOTHING similar to any 100-ton Jetliner? How does heat from a few fires pass through all of the concrete slabs and curtain walls and gypsum wallboard and 3-hour ‘spray on’ fireproofing ( http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardi...wtc/WTC_ch5.htm ) to ‘sever’ all of the columns, girders and beams at the ‘very same time’ to cause WTC-7 to fall into its own footprint in just a few hours? The scenario Senor Bush AND YOU are talking about is very much IMPOSSIBLE, because WTC-7 was designed and constructed using ‘compartmentalization’ of all supporting columns, girders and beams. That means a fire starting inside one of those sub-compartments cannot possibly spread to other compartments! No steel-framed skyscraper has collapsed due to fire in US history outside of 9/11.

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Hope >> Those who hate us ..Yes, but not our own.


Those who hate us? Please . . . There have been no new 9/11 attacks in the USA, because 9/11 was an ‘inside job’ that had nothing to do with any Bearded Jihadist Radicals. Did Osama make the 100-ton Jetliner outside of Shanksville disappear into thin air? No! There was NEVER ANY PLANE! Senor Bush needed his Patriot Act powers to sign the papers for the “Security and Prosperity Partnership” ( http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=50618 ) for the creation of the North American Union! Senor Bush needed his “Department of Homeland Insecurity” that mimics the SS and Gestapo serving Hitler back in WW2. How did we get Department of Homeland Security AND 20 million illegals running around loose in this country? Why is Senor Bush spying on Americans but allowing 20 million illegals to run too and fro from sea to shining sea with hopes of receiving Comprehensive Amnesty?? Why is Senor Bush pardoning convicted illegal drug smugglers at record pace, while imprisoning our decorated border patrol agents and firing US Attorney’s refusing to tow the “Loyal Bushie” line? Why is Senor Bush making plans to build the NASCO Super-Corridor from Mexico to Canada ( http://www.nascocorridor.com/pages/ports_n...rts_network.htm ) behind the backs of Congress and We The People that not only defies our US borders, but destroys United States Sovereignty? The USA is vanishing from existence and you sit there in the stench of your ignorance and support the very people responsible FOR OUR DEMISE!!!! Why did Senor Bush drag us into this Iraqi Civil War and why does he continue to give his “Loyal Bushie” oil baron buddies multi-billion dollar ‘no contest’ contracts for rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure that insurgents systematically destroy? Go ahead and defend Senor Bush and his cohorts all you like, but expect to stand with them at the Judgment before the Living God.

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Hope >>We are up against a much more powerful enemy that some wish to admit and that is pure evil.


You have been blinded by the Bush Administration Opinion Molding Media Machine and their illegal “War On Terror” Propaganda! Most Arab countries send their children to the USA for their education. No Arab country has any Navy sufficient for attacking or even offering a threat to the United States. These Arabs cannot even think beyond their local Middle East ambitions, which is why they are murdering other Arabs for the grab of power right there in Iraq! The simple truth is that Saddam Hussein was the most powerful man in Iraq and he kept the smaller factions under his control, but now the second most powerful man is destined to rise to power! Nobody in Iraq will be happy, until that man ascends to his throne and silences ALL of the opposition like in the days of Saddam Hussein. Everyone we put into power becomes our USA Proxy, which is an abomination to the billion Arabs in the region. Senor Bush and his Global Agenda henchmen are behind 9/11, the illegal Iraqi Civil War and the coming North American Union all part of the New World Order trying desperately to grow wings right under our noses! Zombies like you who follow Senor Bush BLINDLY are part of the problem, which makes ‘you’ the ‘powerful enemy’ that is indeed ‘pure evil.’

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Hope >> I wonder why don't some of us "get" that we are a target of Islamic radicals who think their way is the only way and want to kill us.


9/11 Was An Inside Job!!!! Wake up!!! Senor Bush is promising to protect you from Senor Bush and his evil cohorts who really perpetrated 9/11 on innocent US Citizens! If these statements appear harsh, then show us your pictures of a 100-ton Jetliner outside of Shanksville (Flight 93) or at the Pentagon (Flight 77)! Senor Bush told you that Islamic Radicals caused 9/11, but that is all part of his Official Bushie Administration LIE! How about if you just go ahead and admit that you have NO EVIDENCE to support the Official Bushie Administration Cover Story and announce to everyone that you are actively engaged in passing out his Propaganda for whatever LIE he drums up next? Do it! And at least be honest to yourself and everyone here . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Terral if this evidence was weighed in a court of law, I believe the defendant would be charged with murder.
Terral
Hi Offgrid:

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Offgrid >> Terral if this evidence was weighed in a court of law, I believe the defendant would be charged with murder.


We agree. The important fact revealed by all the evidence is that the ‘true terrorists’ who really did carry out the 9/11 attacks against innocent Americans are still working from inside our Federal and State governments. 9/11 is the avenue taken to give Senor Bush his Patriot Act powers, the Department of Homeland Insecurity and his license to begin this illegal ‘War On Terror.’ All of these things are tools for bringing in the North American Union that destroys American Sovereignty by the dissolution of our borders and makes Canada, America and Mexico (CanAmeriMexico) just one member state of twelve in the coming New World Order. The future of America depends on getting ‘the truth’ of 9/11 right. Those among us unwilling to wake up and look at the evidence are very much part of the problem . . .

Can anyone among you show us just one picture of Flight 93 crashed anywhere? GL.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
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QUOTE(Terral @ May 11 2007, 06:50 AM) [snapback]112150[/snapback]

Hi Offgrid:

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Offgrid >> Terral if this evidence was weighed in a court of law, I believe the defendant would be charged with murder.


We agree. The important fact revealed by all the evidence is that the ‘true terrorists’ who really did carry out the 9/11 attacks against innocent Americans are still working from inside our Federal and State governments. 9/11 is the avenue taken to give Senor Bush his Patriot Act powers, the Department of Homeland Insecurity and his license to begin this illegal ‘War On Terror.’ All of these things are tools for bringing in the North American Union that destroys American Sovereignty by the dissolution of our borders and makes Canada, America and Mexico (CanAmeriMexico) just one member state of twelve in the coming New World Order. The future of America depends on getting ‘the truth’ of 9/11 right. Those among us unwilling to wake up and look at the evidence are very much part of the problem . . .

Can anyone among you show us just one picture of Flight 93 crashed anywhere? GL.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral



Terral if you think Bin Laden is some innocent man--- I would research some things before blaming it all one person. This is exactly what the political paradigm in US wants during election time--ie blame Bush when in fact all sides are full of corruption. Or blame Osama... when in fact both sides are most likely interconnected and responsible. Though I agree with you on the evidence in 9/11 my thoughts who is responsible goes beyond simply Bush.

Certainly you should know about this---

"Immediately after 9/11, dozens of Saudi royals and members of the bin Laden family fled the U.S. in a secret airlift authorized by the Bush White House. One passenger was an alleged al-Qaida go-between, who may have known about the terror attacks in advance."

http://blogs.it/0100206/stories/2004/03/15...ouseOfSaud.html

The reason for 9/11 to me after researching the House of Saud simply goes beyond things like stripping US Constitutional rights, creating North American Union at home etc. In other words I see 9/11 as an International plot-----not simply an American plot. Plots like this require planning from higher than American politicians such as Bush.


So just take a moment and look at the big picture.






Terral
Hi Deborah:

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Deborah >> Terral if you think Bin Laden is some innocent man--- I would research some things before blaming it all one person.


My Opening Post thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions say nothing about Osama bin Laden being innocent of anything. We are comparing the ‘evidence’ from the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7 to the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to reveal the obvious ‘discrepancies.’ This is your opportunity to show us a picture of Flight 93 (Shanksville) crashed ANYWHERE.

http://911review.org/93/maps/

These pictures show an empty hole that is fifty times too small to contain any 100-Ton Jetliner! Show us ‘your’ evidence of why Deborah believes any 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in this field besides “Because Senor Bush told me so.”

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Deborah >> This is exactly what the political paradigm in US wants during election time--ie blame Bush when in fact all sides are full of corruption.


We can agree that MANY are caught up in the deception that finds this ‘self-inflicted wound’ carried out on 9/11, but that does not change one shred of the ‘evidence’ proving beyond all doubt that the Bushie Administration has been lying to Americans from the very beginning.

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Or blame Osama... when in fact both sides are most likely interconnected and responsible. Though I agree with you on the evidence in 9/11 my thoughts who is responsible goes beyond simply Bush.


I know ‘who’ masterminded the 9/11 HOAX on Americans and know the long list goes FAR beyond the most incompetent dimwit to ever disgrace the White House. There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that Bearded Islamic Radicals had ANYTHING to do with planning the 9/11 attacks. All of that is part of the propaganda of ‘disinformation’ spoon-fed to the Bushie Administration Opinion Molding Media Machine by those working diligently to continue covering things up!

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Deborah >> Certainly you should know about this---

"Immediately after 9/11, dozens of Saudi royals and members of the bin Laden family fled the U.S. in a secret airlift authorized by the Bush White House. One passenger was an alleged al-Qaida go-between, who may have known about the terror attacks in advance."

http://blogs.it/0100206/stories/2004/03/15...ouseOfSaud.html


Many of you will be surprised to know that WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7 were wired for demolition by a team of Israeli demolition experts!

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/339398.shtml

Examine the disturbing facts in these 70 separate points for yourself:

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_fri...onbiot_2c_t.htm

Five of the ‘alleged hijackers’ were trained at US military installations!

#67 = http://www.wanttoknow.info/050407hijackers...tarytraining911

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Deborah >> The reason for 9/11 to me after researching the House of Saud simply goes beyond things like stripping US Constitutional rights, creating North American Union at home etc. In other words I see 9/11 as an International plot-----not simply an American plot. Plots like this require planning from higher than American politicians such as Bush.


We agree. However, before you can begin waking Americans up to ‘the truth’ about who was really behind the 9/11 attacks, you must show the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to be LIES. I have read many of your posts on this fine Board and know you are smarter than the average bear. You must be willing to take a few giant steps backward and revisit the ‘evidence’ on display in the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7, before we can begin yet another 9/11 thread that ‘does’ contain the thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions on ‘who’ is working behind the scenes in this ‘Global’ plot to dissolve American Sovereignty! I promise to present ‘all’ of the evidence proving beyond all doubt who is behind the 9/11 attacks, but only when a sufficient number acknowledge the ‘discrepancies’ between the evidence and the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories! People who still believe a 100-ton Jetliner crashed into this field outside of Shanksville are NOT READY to begin addressing the deeper things related to these events.

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The top picture demonstrates the size of a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner against the tiny hole found outside Shanksville on 9/11!! The hole is even shown larger than a true scale, which is evidenced the size of the workers who can barely fit inside the doors of the Jetliner. The puny little hole could barely contain just one of the Rolls Royce Engines; much less a 155-foot long and 125-foot wide and almost 50-foot tall 100-Ton Jetliner. Many Americans have simply been DUPED into believing an Official Bushie Administration Cover Story based completely on LIES that in NO WAY even begin to match the ‘evidence’ in these cases.

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The overview shot of this tiny hole outside of Shanksville contains NOTHING even remotely similar to the debris of a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner.

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Deborah >> So just take a moment and look at the big picture.


I am looking at the big picture, but the thesis of this thread is limited to examination and comparison of the ‘evidence’ VERSUS the Official Senor Bushie/Karl Rove Administration LIES that continue to this very day. There are ten thousand things I would love to share with you about the ‘9/11 Inside Job,’ but first we must cross these itsy bitsy hurdles to stand with at least one foot within the landscape of 'reality' . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
offgrid
QUOTE(Terral @ May 12 2007, 07:44 AM) [snapback]112270[/snapback]

Hi Deborah:

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Deborah >> Terral if you think Bin Laden is some innocent man--- I would research some things before blaming it all one person.


My Opening Post thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions say nothing about Osama bin Laden being innocent of anything. We are comparing the ‘evidence’ from the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7 to the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to reveal the obvious ‘discrepancies.’ This is your opportunity to show us a picture of Flight 93 (Shanksville) crashed ANYWHERE.

http://911review.org/93/maps/

These pictures show an empty hole that is fifty times too small to contain any 100-Ton Jetliner! Show us ‘your’ evidence of why Deborah believes any 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in this field besides “Because Senor Bush told me so.”

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Deborah >> This is exactly what the political paradigm in US wants during election time--ie blame Bush when in fact all sides are full of corruption.


We can agree that MANY are caught up in the deception that finds this ‘self-inflicted wound’ carried out on 9/11, but that does not change one shred of the ‘evidence’ proving beyond all doubt that the Bushie Administration has been lying to Americans from the very beginning.

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Or blame Osama... when in fact both sides are most likely interconnected and responsible. Though I agree with you on the evidence in 9/11 my thoughts who is responsible goes beyond simply Bush.


I know ‘who’ masterminded the 9/11 HOAX on Americans and know the long list goes FAR beyond the most incompetent dimwit to ever disgrace the White House. There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that Bearded Islamic Radicals had ANYTHING to do with planning the 9/11 attacks. All of that is part of the propaganda of ‘disinformation’ spoon-fed to the Bushie Administration Opinion Molding Media Machine by those working diligently to continue covering things up!

QUOTE
Deborah >> Certainly you should know about this---

"Immediately after 9/11, dozens of Saudi royals and members of the bin Laden family fled the U.S. in a secret airlift authorized by the Bush White House. One passenger was an alleged al-Qaida go-between, who may have known about the terror attacks in advance."

http://blogs.it/0100206/stories/2004/03/15...ouseOfSaud.html


Many of you will be surprised to know that WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7 were wired for demolition by a team of Israeli demolition experts!

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/339398.shtml

Examine the disturbing facts in these 70 separate points for yourself:

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_fri...onbiot_2c_t.htm

Five of the ‘alleged hijackers’ were trained at US military installations!

#67 = http://www.wanttoknow.info/050407hijackers...tarytraining911

QUOTE
Deborah >> The reason for 9/11 to me after researching the House of Saud simply goes beyond things like stripping US Constitutional rights, creating North American Union at home etc. In other words I see 9/11 as an International plot-----not simply an American plot. Plots like this require planning from higher than American politicians such as Bush.


We agree. However, before you can begin waking Americans up to ‘the truth’ about who was really behind the 9/11 attacks, you must show the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to be LIES. I have read many of your posts on this fine Board and know you are smarter than the average bear. You must be willing to take a few giant steps backward and revisit the ‘evidence’ on display in the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7, before we can begin yet another 9/11 thread that ‘does’ contain the thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions on ‘who’ is working behind the scenes in this ‘Global’ plot to dissolve American Sovereignty! I promise to present ‘all’ of the evidence proving beyond all doubt who is behind the 9/11 attacks, but only when a sufficient number acknowledge the ‘discrepancies’ between the evidence and the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories! People who still believe a 100-ton Jetliner crashed into this field outside of Shanksville are NOT READY to begin addressing the deeper things related to these events.

IPB Image

The top picture demonstrates the size of a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner against the tiny hole found outside Shanksville on 9/11!! The hole is even shown larger than a true scale, which is evidenced the size of the workers who can barely fit inside the doors of the Jetliner. The puny little hole could barely contain just one of the Rolls Royce Engines; much less a 155-foot long and 125-foot wide and almost 50-foot tall 100-Ton Jetliner. Many Americans have simply been DUPED into believing an Official Bushie Administration Cover Story based completely on LIES that in NO WAY even begin to match the ‘evidence’ in these cases.

IPB Image

The overview shot of this tiny hole outside of Shanksville contains NOTHING even remotely similar to the debris of a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner.

QUOTE
Deborah >> So just take a moment and look at the big picture.


I am looking at the big picture, but the thesis of this thread is limited to examination and comparison of the ‘evidence’ VERSUS the Official Senor Bushie/Karl Rove Administration LIES that continue to this very day. There are ten thousand things I would love to share with you about the ‘9/11 Inside Job,’ but first we must cross these itsy bitsy hurdles to stand with at least one foot within the landscape of 'reality' . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Good luck to you Terral in trying to give the american public a reality check. The Gulf of Tonkin and the USS.Liberty are a matter of public records but the mass media has spoon fed us so long that we have a appetite for it. God be with you.offgrid.
offgrid
QUOTE(Terral @ May 12 2007, 07:44 AM) [snapback]112270[/snapback]

Hi Deborah:

QUOTE
Deborah >> Terral if you think Bin Laden is some innocent man--- I would research some things before blaming it all one person.


My Opening Post thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions say nothing about Osama bin Laden being innocent of anything. We are comparing the ‘evidence’ from the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7 to the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to reveal the obvious ‘discrepancies.’ This is your opportunity to show us a picture of Flight 93 (Shanksville) crashed ANYWHERE.

http://911review.org/93/maps/

These pictures show an empty hole that is fifty times too small to contain any 100-Ton Jetliner! Show us ‘your’ evidence of why Deborah believes any 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in this field besides “Because Senor Bush told me so.”

QUOTE
Deborah >> This is exactly what the political paradigm in US wants during election time--ie blame Bush when in fact all sides are full of corruption.


We can agree that MANY are caught up in the deception that finds this ‘self-inflicted wound’ carried out on 9/11, but that does not change one shred of the ‘evidence’ proving beyond all doubt that the Bushie Administration has been lying to Americans from the very beginning.

QUOTE
Or blame Osama... when in fact both sides are most likely interconnected and responsible. Though I agree with you on the evidence in 9/11 my thoughts who is responsible goes beyond simply Bush.


I know ‘who’ masterminded the 9/11 HOAX on Americans and know the long list goes FAR beyond the most incompetent dimwit to ever disgrace the White House. There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that Bearded Islamic Radicals had ANYTHING to do with planning the 9/11 attacks. All of that is part of the propaganda of ‘disinformation’ spoon-fed to the Bushie Administration Opinion Molding Media Machine by those working diligently to continue covering things up!

QUOTE
Deborah >> Certainly you should know about this---

"Immediately after 9/11, dozens of Saudi royals and members of the bin Laden family fled the U.S. in a secret airlift authorized by the Bush White House. One passenger was an alleged al-Qaida go-between, who may have known about the terror attacks in advance."

http://blogs.it/0100206/stories/2004/03/15...ouseOfSaud.html


Many of you will be surprised to know that WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7 were wired for demolition by a team of Israeli demolition experts!

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/339398.shtml

Examine the disturbing facts in these 70 separate points for yourself:

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_fri...onbiot_2c_t.htm

Five of the ‘alleged hijackers’ were trained at US military installations!

#67 = http://www.wanttoknow.info/050407hijackers...tarytraining911

QUOTE
Deborah >> The reason for 9/11 to me after researching the House of Saud simply goes beyond things like stripping US Constitutional rights, creating North American Union at home etc. In other words I see 9/11 as an International plot-----not simply an American plot. Plots like this require planning from higher than American politicians such as Bush.


We agree. However, before you can begin waking Americans up to ‘the truth’ about who was really behind the 9/11 attacks, you must show the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to be LIES. I have read many of your posts on this fine Board and know you are smarter than the average bear. You must be willing to take a few giant steps backward and revisit the ‘evidence’ on display in the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7, before we can begin yet another 9/11 thread that ‘does’ contain the thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions on ‘who’ is working behind the scenes in this ‘Global’ plot to dissolve American Sovereignty! I promise to present ‘all’ of the evidence proving beyond all doubt who is behind the 9/11 attacks, but only when a sufficient number acknowledge the ‘discrepancies’ between the evidence and the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories! People who still believe a 100-ton Jetliner crashed into this field outside of Shanksville are NOT READY to begin addressing the deeper things related to these events.

IPB Image

The top picture demonstrates the size of a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner against the tiny hole found outside Shanksville on 9/11!! The hole is even shown larger than a true scale, which is evidenced the size of the workers who can barely fit inside the doors of the Jetliner. The puny little hole could barely contain just one of the Rolls Royce Engines; much less a 155-foot long and 125-foot wide and almost 50-foot tall 100-Ton Jetliner. Many Americans have simply been DUPED into believing an Official Bushie Administration Cover Story based completely on LIES that in NO WAY even begin to match the ‘evidence’ in these cases.

IPB Image

The overview shot of this tiny hole outside of Shanksville contains NOTHING even remotely similar to the debris of a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner.

QUOTE
Deborah >> So just take a moment and look at the big picture.


I am looking at the big picture, but the thesis of this thread is limited to examination and comparison of the ‘evidence’ VERSUS the Official Senor Bushie/Karl Rove Administration LIES that continue to this very day. There are ten thousand things I would love to share with you about the ‘9/11 Inside Job,’ but first we must cross these itsy bitsy hurdles to stand with at least one foot within the landscape of 'reality' . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Good luck to you Terral in trying to give the american public a reality check. The Gulf of Tonkin and the USS.Liberty are a matter of public records but the mass media has spoon fed us so long that we have a appetite for it. God be with you.offgrid.
senteami3
This is an exerpt of a song that came from an album that came out on

11 September 2001!!!!

The group is: "666.667 Club" (it is a FRENCH GROUP, NON-CHRISTIAN...)

See how prophetic it is:


Ça y est, le grand incendie
Y'a t'feu partout, emergency
Babylone, Paris s'écroulent
New-York City
Iroquois qui déboutent
Maintenant
Allez

Here it is, the great fire
Fire everywhere, emergency
Babylon, Paris crumble
New York City
Iroquois coming
Now
Go

London, Delhi, Dallas dans l'show
Hommage à l'art pompier
T'entends les sirènes, elles
Sortent la grande échelle
Vas-y
Go


London, Delhi, Dallas in the show
Hommage to the firefighter's art
Do you hear the sirens,
They are taking the great ladder out
You go
Go


Hommage à l'art tectonique
Un techno-picnic sur la terre éventrée
Mais la faille est creusée, atomisée
Claudia Schiffer dit qu'elle a même pas peur
Et tout le monde applaudit à la télé
Ressaisis-toi, ressaisis-toi
Faut courir maintenant, elle, elle est dans un bunker
Y'a plus de programme, y'a même plus d'heure
A vous l'antenne


Hommage to the tectonic art
A techno-picnic upon the broken-open earth
But the falt is now deeper, atomized
Claudia Schiffer said she is not afraid
And everyone aplaud on tv
Pull yourself together, pull yourself together
You must run now, she is in a bunker
There is no more programme, no more time
Back to you


C'est l'incendie, le grand incendie
C'est l'incendie, le grand incendie
C'est l'incendie, le grand incendie
vas -y
Go


This is the fire, the great fire
This is the fire, the great fire
This is the fire, the great fire
you go,
Go!
1LikeDeborah
QUOTE(Terral @ May 12 2007, 07:44 AM) [snapback]112270[/snapback]

Hi Deborah:

QUOTE
Deborah >> Terral if you think Bin Laden is some innocent man--- I would research some things before blaming it all one person.


My Opening Post thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions say nothing about Osama bin Laden being innocent of anything. We are comparing the ‘evidence’ from the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7 to the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to reveal the obvious ‘discrepancies.’ This is your opportunity to show us a picture of Flight 93 (Shanksville) crashed ANYWHERE.

http://911review.org/93/maps/

These pictures show an empty hole that is fifty times too small to contain any 100-Ton Jetliner! Show us ‘your’ evidence of why Deborah believes any 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in this field besides “Because Senor Bush told me so.”

QUOTE
Deborah >> This is exactly what the political paradigm in US wants during election time--ie blame Bush when in fact all sides are full of corruption.


We can agree that MANY are caught up in the deception that finds this ‘self-inflicted wound’ carried out on 9/11, but that does not change one shred of the ‘evidence’ proving beyond all doubt that the Bushie Administration has been lying to Americans from the very beginning.

QUOTE
Or blame Osama... when in fact both sides are most likely interconnected and responsible. Though I agree with you on the evidence in 9/11 my thoughts who is responsible goes beyond simply Bush.


I know ‘who’ masterminded the 9/11 HOAX on Americans and know the long list goes FAR beyond the most incompetent dimwit to ever disgrace the White House. There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that Bearded Islamic Radicals had ANYTHING to do with planning the 9/11 attacks. All of that is part of the propaganda of ‘disinformation’ spoon-fed to the Bushie Administration Opinion Molding Media Machine by those working diligently to continue covering things up!

QUOTE
Deborah >> Certainly you should know about this---

"Immediately after 9/11, dozens of Saudi royals and members of the bin Laden family fled the U.S. in a secret airlift authorized by the Bush White House. One passenger was an alleged al-Qaida go-between, who may have known about the terror attacks in advance."

http://blogs.it/0100206/stories/2004/03/15...ouseOfSaud.html


Many of you will be surprised to know that WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7 were wired for demolition by a team of Israeli demolition experts!

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/339398.shtml

Examine the disturbing facts in these 70 separate points for yourself:

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_fri...onbiot_2c_t.htm

Five of the ‘alleged hijackers’ were trained at US military installations!

#67 = http://www.wanttoknow.info/050407hijackers...tarytraining911

QUOTE
Deborah >> The reason for 9/11 to me after researching the House of Saud simply goes beyond things like stripping US Constitutional rights, creating North American Union at home etc. In other words I see 9/11 as an International plot-----not simply an American plot. Plots like this require planning from higher than American politicians such as Bush.


We agree. However, before you can begin waking Americans up to ‘the truth’ about who was really behind the 9/11 attacks, you must show the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories to be LIES. I have read many of your posts on this fine Board and know you are smarter than the average bear. You must be willing to take a few giant steps backward and revisit the ‘evidence’ on display in the field outside of Shanksville, at the Pentagon and at WTC-7, before we can begin yet another 9/11 thread that ‘does’ contain the thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions on ‘who’ is working behind the scenes in this ‘Global’ plot to dissolve American Sovereignty! I promise to present ‘all’ of the evidence proving beyond all doubt who is behind the 9/11 attacks, but only when a sufficient number acknowledge the ‘discrepancies’ between the evidence and the Official Bushie Administration Cover Stories! People who still believe a 100-ton Jetliner crashed into this field outside of Shanksville are NOT READY to begin addressing the deeper things related to these events.

IPB Image

The top picture demonstrates the size of a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner against the tiny hole found outside Shanksville on 9/11!! The hole is even shown larger than a true scale, which is evidenced the size of the workers who can barely fit inside the doors of the Jetliner. The puny little hole could barely contain just one of the Rolls Royce Engines; much less a 155-foot long and 125-foot wide and almost 50-foot tall 100-Ton Jetliner. Many Americans have simply been DUPED into believing an Official Bushie Administration Cover Story based completely on LIES that in NO WAY even begin to match the ‘evidence’ in these cases.

IPB Image

The overview shot of this tiny hole outside of Shanksville contains NOTHING even remotely similar to the debris of a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner.

QUOTE
Deborah >> So just take a moment and look at the big picture.


I am looking at the big picture, but the thesis of this thread is limited to examination and comparison of the ‘evidence’ VERSUS the Official Senor Bushie/Karl Rove Administration LIES that continue to this very day. There are ten thousand things I would love to share with you about the ‘9/11 Inside Job,’ but first we must cross these itsy bitsy hurdles to stand with at least one foot within the landscape of 'reality' . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral


Terral I never disagreed with the evidence you posted. I never said the Bush administration was telling the truth about 9/11 it is rather obvious that there are lies. Just becuase I see it slightly different then you is no reason for you to try and convince me of your opinion. The fact that it is an OBVIOUS lie should raise a major flag that there is more going on than meets the eye here. In other words what I am saying is what if the obviousness about the lies surrounding 9/11 are ON PURPOSE for an agenda?!!!

Deceit is not obvious!! When a lie is obvious it usually is for the purpose of manipulating. Why would I say this? Because deceit is not just telling a lie--- its more than that... its creating layer upon layers of lies, with a dash of truth like weaving a spider's web. The dash of truth spun is used in creating an opposing paradigm for purpose of intrigue---but in the end it is just masquerading to entrap.

Therefore, I stand by that 9/11 was cooperative international job--- because governments goal is globalization.

Here is some odd things that have occurred in recent years just to chew on---

Bilderberg only allows Europian elite at their meetings... Yet why are middle-eastern parties attending in 2006 meeting?--- the agenda was the so-called peace roadmap...

Ziad Abu-Amr--- Palestine
Ahmad Chalabi--- Iraq
Mahmood Sarialghalam- Iran
Fehmi Koru--- Turkey
Kemal Koprulu---Turkey
Mustafa Koc---Turkey
Eival Gilady--- Israel






2 Chronicles 32:7
Terral, I applaud your efforts on trying to reach people who doesn't believe in facts. Sadly, most of them will still suppport an empire of evil. But this reply is more for you or anyone who agrees that the so called "facts" found in the 911 CR is just nonsense. I believe the same thing you believe in when it comes to the facts or evidence shown in this thread. I've been studing the evidence for sometime too, not only on 911, but on the American NWO. So I'm sure you've also comed accross with the "Loose Change" video, or a great book called "911 and the American Empire, Intellectuals Speak Out". These both are great tools for those who really want to question our own government. But well, best of life to you, and please keep trying, because even though a lot of people here love the US of A more than anything, there's other people that are willing to put the Lord first, as it should always be. Thank you for your help and God bless,

Chronicles.

p.s. no harm intended to anyone in here.
OneOfHisHandmaidens
Last fall, I also discovered the truth presented by Terral. It was a HUGE HUGE shock to me and I cried hard for an hour or more. I felt so deceived and naive. I LOVE my country, however....I found I had placed WAYYYYYYYYY too much trust in our govt and the people who we've been told to trust. I praise our Lord for revealing the truth and now I have been set free. I have awakened from a slumber....unaware that I had been asleep. God opened my eyes. I heard the ALARM......to WAKE UP!!!!

I applaud your efforts, Terral for trying to present facts. Even if only ONE person sees the light and wakes up to realize that we are being sold out..... then at least you've helped that one person.

May God Bless You!!!
Terral
Hi Deborah:

QUOTE
Deborah >> Terral I never disagreed with the evidence you posted. I never said the Bush administration was telling the truth about 9/11 it is rather obvious that there are lies. Just because I see it slightly different then you is no reason for you to try and convince me of your opinion.


We disagree. My purpose here is to defend the “9/11 Was An Inside Job” Thesis presented in the Opening Post of this thread to the best of my God-given abilities. While your name appears atop my posts, my arguments are presented for the benefit of the ‘unbiased’ third party reader seeking ‘the truth’ on this very difficult topic. Let’s try to remember that Deborah came out of the gate, saying,

QUOTE
Deborah Original (Post #15) >> Terral if you think Bin Laden is some innocent man--- I would research some things before blaming it all one person.


Does my Opening Post “9/11 Was An Inside Job” Thesis say one thing about Osama bin Laden or his innocence? No. Do I blame “one person” for carrying out 9/11 against US Citizens? No. Those are your suppositions representing much more than a ‘slightly different’ opinion.

QUOTE
Deborah Original >> This is exactly what the political paradigm in US wants during election time--ie blame Bush when in fact all sides are full of corruption. Or blame Osama... when in fact both sides are most likely interconnected and responsible. Though I agree with you on the evidence in 9/11 my thoughts who is responsible goes beyond simply Bush.


Since my Opening Post Thesis, Claims, Evidence and Conclusions are all interconnected, and we agree on the ‘evidence,’ then you appear to be disagreeing with the ‘conclusion’ part of the original presentation.

QUOTE
Deborah >> The fact that it is an OBVIOUS lie should raise a major flag that there is more going on than meets the eye here. In other words what I am saying is what if the obviousness about the lies surrounding 9/11 are ON PURPOSE for an agenda?!!!


9/11 was carried out on purpose and for those with a Globalist Agenda of chiseling twelve states from the current 169 or so countries. I like the direction you are taking with these statements BTW. :0). You appear to be approaching this 9/11 Topic with both eyes wide open, which is a rare quality to see on this Board.

QUOTE
Deborah >> Deceit is not obvious!! When a lie is obvious it usually is for the purpose of manipulating. Why would I say this? Because deceit is not just telling a lie--- its more than that... its creating layer upon layers of lies, with a dash of truth like weaving a spider's web. The dash of truth spun is used in creating an opposing paradigm for purpose of intrigue---but in the end it is just masquerading to entrap.


We agree on most of what you say here, but disagree on the ‘intrigue’ purpose in the equation. Some of the greatest words on this topic were uttered by former Congressman Gary Allen ( http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html ), saying,

QUOTE
Gary Allen >> It must be remembered that the first job of any conspiracy, whether it be in politics, crime or within a business office, is to convince everyone else that no conspiracy exists. The conspirators success will be determined largely by their ability to do this. That the elite of the academic world and mass communications media always pooh-pooh the existence of the Insiders merely serves to camouflage their operations. These "artists" hide the boy, the cart and the donkey.


Recognizing that “9/11 Was An Inside Job” is only the first step in coming to the knowledge of the greater truth that Global Elites are working behind the scenes in a ‘shadow government’ that has been in place since long before anyone here was born.

QUOTE
Deborah >> Therefore, I stand by that 9/11 was cooperative international job--- because governments goal is globalization.


We disagree. The 300 richest families on earth have been engaged in executing the planks of their Globalist Agenda, which includes the creation of twelve member states. Our governments are being used like pawns in their game to takeover and rule the entire world.

QUOTE
Deborah >> Here is some odd things that have occurred in recent years just to chew on--- Bilderberg only allows European elite at their meetings... Yet why are middle-eastern parties attending in 2006 meeting?--- the agenda was the so-called peace roadmap...


Your “Bilderberg only allows European elite at their meetings” statement is very much false. The 2003 meeting in France attended by Peter Sutherland, chairman of British Petroleum, with Queen Beatrix of Holland and Queen Sophia of Spain was “David Rockefeller’s Bilderberg conference” ( http://www.americanfreepress.net/05_24_03/..._black_out.html ). The Rockefeller’s and J.P. Morgan’s entered the Bilderberger fold at the Jekyll Island meetings ( http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html#chapter4 ) with the Rothschild’s and Warburg’s that gave America the Federal Reserve System in 1913.

QUOTE
Gary Allen >> After the Panic of 1907, Aldrich was appointed by the Senate to head the National Monetary Commission. Although he had no technical knowledge of banking, Aldrich and his entourage spent nearly two years and $300,000 of the taxpayers' money being wined and dined by the owners of Europe's central banks as they toured the Continent "studying" central banking. When the Commission returned from its luxurious junket it held no meetings and made no report for nearly two years. But Senator Aldrich was busy "arranging" things. Together with Paul Warburg and other international bankers, he staged one of the most important secret meetings in the history of the United States Rockefeller agent Frank Vanderlip admitted many years later in his memoirs:

Vanderlip >> "Despite my views about the value to society of greater publicity for the affairs of corporations, there was an occasion, near the close of 1910, when I was as secretive-indeed as furtive-as any conspirator.

I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System."

Gary Allen >> The secrecy was well warranted. At stake was control over the entire economy. Senator Aldrich had issued confidential invitations to Henry P. Davison of J. P. Morgan & Company; Frank A. Vanderlip, President of the Rockefeller-owned National City Bank; A. Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury; Benjamin Strong of Morgan's Bankers Trust Company; and Paul Warburg. They were all to accompany him to Jekyll Island, Georgia, to write the final recommendations of the National Monetary Commission report.


The Bilderberg Group could not carry out their Globalist Agenda of bringing in their New World Order without active participation of their American counterparts who became co-shareholders of the privately owned central bank we know today as the Federal Reserve. These Globalists transformed the USA into twelve divisions under their twelve member banks in the same way they are corralling the nations into their twelve member states. They use the Council On Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as their proxy power brokers, which is where the paperwork originated for the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.”

http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005/Mar/23-209281.html

QUOTE
President Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Mexican President Vicente Fox announced the establishment of the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" in a March 23 joint statement.

Convening that same day in Waco, Texas, for a trilateral meeting, the North American leaders said the security and prosperity of their nations are &quo