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February 23, 2007 6:55
Jesus: Tales from the Crypt
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Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.

Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned.
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February 23, 2007 5:10


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Heroes of the Arab Press
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Despite the courage of many Arab journalists and writers, developments in the past year suggest that trends aren't very encouraging for press freedom in the Middle East. That's a very dispiriting observation to make, given how vital free speech is to the development of democracy in the Arab world. In the era of satellite television and the internet, the space for freedom has indeed expanded in the past decade. Unfortunately, enemi

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This goes beyond the Da Vinci Code allegations that Jesus had a child. Those projects, along with others along the way have become the basis for this ultimate claim to discredit the Biblical account of Yeshuas’ life, death and resurrection.

BOOK TO BE RELEASED SOON

STRONG CLAIMS are made in the book; claiming this discovery is nearly absolute proof that Yeshua not only existed, but that He never resurrected and ascended into heaven with a ONE IN 10 MILLION CHANCE of being some other Jewish family than that of Jesus Christ even revealing Yeshua was married and had children!

The Israeli Antiquities Authority has supposedly had custody of "ossuaries" since 1980. These boxes (2) have been reportedly flown to New York City for the news conference on Monday, February 26th, 2007

Why didn’t we here something earlier? Yeshua has been rejected by the majority of Judaic Rabbis’ and their congregants, however with Da Vinci Code, Gospel of Judas and others many may think this caused the softening.

No, this is fulfilling the Conspirators of Psalm 2’s script, its time to thrust in the dagger! Indeed, timing is everything in their ‘order out of chaos’ plan.

This impending announcement and revelation by the ‘Conspirators’ tells us WE ARE FAR INTO the ‘vision of 2300 days’ countdown.

This will be one of their last steps to set up process of revealing their "false messiah", the antichrist, possibly even claiming a DNA link between Yeshua and the antichrist when he is revealed! As a descendant, they could point to the “DaVinci Code” and other discoveries as proof of their claims.

As the countdown continues remember, 1.) the ‘architect of the vision’ must fall, 2.) US attacked 3.) third ‘seal’ of economic crisis 4.) ANTICHRIST REVEALED, at fourth ‘seal’

Let us not forget on March 3, 2007 we have a total eclipse of the moon, making Joel 2:31 a little more significant.

Plus this headline is very telling; Israel seeks all clear for Iran air strike linked here;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...24/wiran124.xml

Russia/Iran WILL ATTACK the US before anything or anyone makes a move at Israel!

The count goes on 593 days until ‘vision of 2300 days’ ends.

REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand, make your election SURE

Giving Him the glory, gavrial

He's also holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. WHAT?!?!?!?????????????

Matthew 24:26 comes to mind...

More news on this subject here :

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02252007/news/...n_calabrese.htm

Makes me sick to the stomach. Would Cameron have the guile to do the same to Mohammed? Of course not, Christianity will always be an easier target because Jesus teaches his followers to love our enemies and pray for them. Well I for one shall be Peter and cut off the Roman soldiers ear in anger!

They are in desperate need "not to have to believe". because it will allow them to carry on with their lives regardless of God.

What it most probably will prove is that the Sanhedrin of the day were clever enough to bundle a few bodies in a tomb and mark them, so they could claim that Jesus was never resurrected.
If I were the nervous High Pries of the day, that is exactly what I would do. Who would prove me wrong? DNA testing I would be home and dry.

C

guys just a question

what if all that we believe in are all false? what if this is just another way to control people? what y\wuold you guys do?

me i just move on doing good and occasionally very very bad things

just a question dont overreact...

My brother, Bogoy, what I believe in becomes real. Do you not see that the world is what I make it and what I make it is what I believe, and that is for me? This applies to all from their perspective!

But should I doubt I make my world a shadow and invite disillusionment. I become a nomad searching for the truth when I had held it earlier in Christ. Thus, I stay upon this rock, for there is no other after I had walked upon the sands of this world searching.

What a woe for the one who does not believe in Christ, for when the storm comes it shall wipe away the foundation of those who built upon sand, but for the one who has built upon rock his or her house shall not fall!

I let not the sensualities of my flesh cloud my spiritual senses, for I yearn that Christ be real to me and loe, He is! The wonders of faith lifts the heart and leaves the dregs of the flesh behind, the chatter of the world, to peel away the veneer of the earthly kingdom and reveal the true and REAL Kingdom which is God .

What I see and what I hear in this world is not the truth, thus I declare my deaf and blindness praying the Lord's mercy unto me.

But woe to those who rely upon their eyes and ears for those who do will become disheartened and be deceived.

The storm that is coming will shake the foundations of earth and many will lose hope. Many will be shocked and become upset asking "how can this be? How is it that this has happened?" What a terrible day when that day happens for great is the lost. But those who seek the rock that is Christ and stand upon it will be safe.

Go in peace Bogoy, trust not in your eyes and ears but earnestly seek the Spirit of God.

Love HB

Suppose that we discovered an awful truth, that:
Jesus is a liar.

Would we renounce our lives of Love, Righteousness, Helpfulness, Charity, Helping the poor, Loving the poor, ?
Would we stop defending the weak, orphans, and widow?
Would we start living lives of lies, thefts, un-love, bitterness, hurt, divorce, selfishness, ?
Would we embrace the Anna Nicole values, and reject Truth, Love, Righteousness?

No, we would be Righteous and loving EVEN THOUGH JESUS IS WICKED. ..........because it's the Right way to live. Why should we be hurtful, sinful people, just because everyone else is (including our Maker)?

And of course,
My position is: We will be vindicated if we remain faithful.
Jesus is true, and the world is a liar.
Jesus is love, and the world does not love us.

Jesus is Love and the world does not love us - a very powerful but true statement.

I don't think the apostles risked their lives everyday and died martyrs if it were a lie. Would you die for a lie? All the apostles were martyred because they knew it was the truth. And I'm guessing you've heard people say or deep down in your mind you think religion is another way to control people. The Bible says you are set free. And if it says you're free then you are definitely free. And what is there to control? Christians are being controlled to love, turn the other cheek, feed the poor, be gentle, etc...so whats so catastrophic about that?

All the apostles were Jews to begin with. To the jews, the Law is the most important part of religion. Do you know what it would take in order for a Jew to forsake his faith to create a brand new one?

A lot!

Jesus wasn't just a man, he couldn't have been. They would have needed actual proof that Jesus was the Messiah. There's no way they would have just packed up and became traitors in a seemingly wide world of Jews surrounding them for just a man....

also, please, this is obviously a means of turning people from the faith. I can see some extremeist somewhere planning a terrorist attack against our faith. "Hit 'em where it hurts!!" i can picture them saying. And what better way to attack a Christian but in the faith!! Please my brothers and sisters. Don't pay any heed to it, don't even watch it!! Because the Devil mixes the truth with lies to try to confuse us.

Take up your crosses my friends and keep your faith. In the bible it says that the anti-christ will decieve the whole world, not some of it, all of it. Believe me when i say it will be a tough spiritual battle to win. You will be tossed to and fro mentally in your mind. But this is a cause for the patients of the Saints, believe in Jesus as the Savior.

why are telling me all about what we are supposed to do? no they died because they believed it was true and youre guessing wrong and another question who do you think wrote the bible? as they say god revealed to a few to write the few parts of the bible on scrolls then they were hid and after a few decades founded by a few and made them into one and what if those who found it twisted a lil bit of the truth to favor them? they are a lot to control and i'm not talking about the love thing i'm talking about what a single person could do to change the world and its people and this mostly happens on religion

now this is just a thought and question dont take it seriously



i think america hates a lot, not the world if it were the world then you'd see us being exterminated and america is the king of the media today and hey they have subscribers all around the world it is there media who enjoys making fun of other people's race, culture and religion and the arabs and the christians were enemies since abrahams time i dont wanna give links cause the net is not all true. look it up yourselfs and your come up to other things

this is just a personal question this doesnt involve other people this only involves you. its up to you if want to love its up to you if you wanna hate and whats this anna nicole values? and dont put other people in talks like this especially when they are dead and what makes you so perfect that you say that her values are wrong everybody has their different views and lifestyles. so what they did something wrong they still deserve respect and love isnt this the christian way or should i call it the way of peace and love and you know a person is like a mirror whatever you show him he shows it back well someway he shows it


then what makes hitler to the germans who killed thousands for him and his ideals.

guy just answer the question its very simple

you (and I) fell in love with Jesus,..........because He is LOVE
God is LOVE

What if we discovered that ....we were decieved, and ......God is NOT love?

We would STILL be "in love" with True Love,..........but we would find fault with Jesus (because He is discovered to be a non-lover).

And, of course, I'm sure that we will find that Jesus will not dis-appoint. I have confidence in Jesus and the Bible, and His Intense Love.

The Roman soldiers were right, when they said, "No man ever spoke like this Man!".
No ordinary man could write the Bible, filled with Extreme , Intense love. Only a Super-natural Man (a God-Man) could write that Book.

in other words you would still love in short move on in what you do this is the answer i'm looking for sheesh why dont you just answer it straight

Our faith in Jesus Christ does not rely upon this.

i don't understand the question...........i'm sorry

dennis

How do they know its the same Jesus through DNA? ROFL! All they can prove is that the buried bodies they found were related. Doesn't mean that this is Yeshua our Messiah. And Jospehus wrote that he rose from the dead--- so a Jewish historian who was not a believer himself wrote a lie for fun?

" He is not here for He has risen".

Exactly. But they are so christian who leaves christian and join in other false religion .

Iam starting to hates james camerron and the other guy. I wonder if they are even a christian. They only have Christian names.

Matthew 28:11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Thankfully in Him,

Mike

I don't understand, he did the Exodus Decoded which was a docuementry that made an excellent case for everything that happened in Exodus happened exactly the why the Bible describes. Is he attacking Christianity now?

It gives him credibility to those Christians too young in the faith, those that are lukewarm, those that would ride the fence, and those that are close to a breakthrough.
Satan is at his most desperate time, as He knows, perhaps more astutely than us, how close the hour is to Christs return.
Hes not pulling Any punches, and his best tricks are going to be used.
"All but the most" will be fooled.
The History of the find is flawed, the demographics are flawed. We know this.
It is for Us to see this and respond properly.
Perhaps this will be the catalyst that begins the falling away from the faith.

Absolutely!! Satan is desparate right now...the timing is interesting, too, with Lent leading to Easter (Christ has risen!!), not to mention what is going on at the Temple Mount, Iran, et al. But, even secular archeologists are denying what Cameron is trying to depict in this "documentary", I mean , how can you possibly do DNA tests on Jesus, and the names were very common for that time period. It's all sensationalism for the Discovery channel. As a Christian, we shouldn't even be remotely stirred by this. It should be buried deep in our souls that God is who He says He is, God does what He says He will do, We are who He says we are, We can do all things through Christ, His Words are active and alive in us..
John 20:29 "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

I think it's just a publicity stunt for his documentary..

I never trust and i never watched any documentary in my life. I already seen enough of spiritual and physical evidence. That bible and Jesus exist. Though faith does not come by works it comes by grace.

Jesus said that at endtimes people will lose their faith.



All i say is James Camerron is a greedy person. Iam not going to watch anymore of his movies. If it possible i will stop watching all the movies and other thing.

I will not pass judgment upon the creators of this documentary because God doesn't want us to do this. They are only showing as archiologists what they see and what they are discovering. They make no claim that this is the actual Jesus but say that there are very good chances due to the Statistics.

Now on another note, i do not believe that this is the real Jesus and family. It's impossible. How can the entire new testiment and the old testiment prophecies about the messiah coming being beaten and hated by the people and yet saving all of us And then saying that he will come again with the clouds, be false. It would mean that practally all the bible is false!!

All i can say is "REJOICE!!" because the day of the Lord is near. This is a test everyone. God allows things like this to happen to sift the good grain from the chaff. God wants to see how strong we are in the faith. If something like this makes you say "I knew it!!" and makes you turn away from the faith then that was what you were suppose to do. If it makes you say "This is absoultly false!!" and gives you a stronger faith and a connection with you and your brethern then that was what it was suppose to do. God is mysterious and wants all of us to love him but remember will spew out the Lukewarm Christian, the one sitting on the fence. So this is one good way to kick those off the fence and either land on one side or the other.

I think that there will be many things like this in the future. This is the beginning of the great falling away!

PRAISE JESUS CHRIST FOREVER AND FOREVER WILL I OWE HIM MY SOUL!!

Huh? I don't think these people know about the maths of statistics. What is the sample? How are the samples gathered? What is the distribution?

I think what they mean is probability. Even then, are they conditional or independent? What is the basis of computing the probability of each "event"?

sorry miss specifics! lol.... by statistics i did mean probability...sorry.

There were no bones found in any of the 10 ossuaries Cameron claims were those of Jesus and his family. They tested "residual" DNA from the ossuary labeled Jesus and one of the two labeled Mary, discovered they were unrelated, and made the giant leap that they were the Jesus and Mary Magdalene. No reputable archaeologist in the 27 years since this tomb was discovered has even hinted at any connection to Jesus of Nazareth.

Plus Jesus, Joseph, Mary were all very popular and common names during those times.

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Brethren, we welcome you to join us for our Unleavened Bread Bible Study this Wednesday (02/28/07) as we expose the "Jesus family tomb" for the fake it is. You can listen live from 7:30 - 10:30 pm CST via Paltalk or a multitude of other ways including Internet, radio and telephone.

See you soon!

-UBM

Okay then show me any bible verse that steers favor to those that found/published them. You're talking like
God is limited - that he is unable to stop the "publishers who intend to control people through God's word".
He appoints kings...so I'm sure he can appoint and raise up someone who will not take advantage of the word.

i'm not talking about them bones i'm just asking what if all of this is a big lie

and how sure are you that the verses in the bible are all true? who on earth translated the bible anyway wasnt it the old church? look at it this way today even the smartest people get coned so what makes the old people huh i mean in jesus' time?

and havent you notice God lets a few thing pass for man to learn

and another question what if the god we believe in is the devil? and what if the devil we believe in is god?

think about this, use your head and quit bible cutting coz it means you cant proved it yourselfs...

bogoy,

The Bible is true. It is 100% correct, no mistakes, no lies. It is the LIVING WORD OF GOD. We are told, in the beginning was the Word and the Word is God and the Word became flesh. (Jesus). Anytime you hear of mistakes or contradictions in the Bible, it is the reader that has made a mistake, not God. Now you could argue that some of the new translations are very poor translation and I would agree. For example, Niv says someone else killed Goliath after David did. (which makes no sense and is just plain dumb) But kjv based on the Receptus is with out error. The more science discovers, the more it proves the Bible. for example, many parts of the Bible were disputed by some of the so called experts until the dead sea scroll were found and lo and behold, those originals matched the kjv to perfection. And like in Genesis, we are told that the serpent used to walk and part of the curse is now it crawls on its belly. Well now sceintist say they have found holes on snakes where legs used to be. They of course say it evolved and lost its legs. The Bible says God change it in an instant. But science confirms that they once had legs. I could give many more examples but I digress. If you are confused about who is God and who is satan, you are a long way from knowing that the Bible is true. "for Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy but Jesus came to give you life and life abundantly.'' Look around, which one of these is in control of your life, and whom are the muslims serving?

the bible is a living, super-natural, powerful book.
it is discerned with super-natural discernment.
the natural man cannot recieve the super-natural things of god, for they are veiled from their eyes.
the non-born-again people are walking in (spiritual) darkness.
even after they've read the bible, it still looks like foolishness to them, for they are (spiritually) blind.


a non-born-again person can hear the gospel, read the bible,........and feel a need for God. he can feel regret for their sins. he can feel ashamed of past foolishness and guilt.

but, he can't fully appreciate and understand the bible until AFTER he becomes "born-again" (walking in the Light of His Word).

when i was an un-believer ,...the bible and evolution were equally un-believable.
when i repented and started to believe, and i asked god to help me to believe, .......then,........i could believe the bible, and the understanding began to open up to me,............BUT! evolution is still un-believable to me.

if there is no God, then we will never know, even when we die, since we cannot prove that. We simply disappear.

However, if it is a lie, we will also not know (objectively) until we die and the truth is revealed to us. Even then, it is a revealed truth.

If Satan is god, I will still not follow him, for he is not worthy of my worship. Allah of Islam is also not worthy of my worship, for "he leads astray whom he will lead astray."

The Father of Jesus Christ is the only one worthy, who loved me enough to die for me. What we do know is a real relationship with Him.

I say! Finding bones WHEN THERE ARE NO BONES...

MAYBE WE SHOULD HIRE HIM TO FIND JIMMY HOFFA!

anyone could write something that could touch the heart and soul of a person, karl marx books inspired communism mao jie tongs books made china a communist country a lot of inspirational books made it seem alive to people because someway and somehow it speaks to them.

im not confused and guys answer the question its very simple really





yeah but what if tommorow or in the next five minutes all would be revealed as lies and all a big con? what would you do and feel? would you feel devastated(i know most of you guys would be), sad, nothing, etc? and what you do kill yourselfs, go crazy, curse and burn, still show love and concern to other people, nothing, etc? guys that is my question thats all...

and why do you have to always bully the muslims? you know nothing about'em and you guys are not willing to show love outside your faith instead you guys wanna kill the guy...

its not a lie though...thats the point. Its not mans proof or some vauge hope that makes me believe than can be dashed by man with so called proof. I believe because it is true....Jesus is real, and risen....He did die for our sins so that we can have everlasting life. Its as real as anything in my life and more real than most things I can touch, see or feel. How do I know....I just do...its a personal experience. To deny all my heart tells me, all my spirit feels, all my mind knows to be true would be ridiculous. I pray that you would have no doubts as well

Sure, I'll be disappointed, if it turn out to be false. But I won't go crazy, and I still won't give up the life I have in Christ. He epitomizes the best in all mankind. If I have to spend eternity in hell because Satan turn out to be God, I still won't follow him, for I know he is not worthy of my worship.

Now, how about you answer your own questions?




And why do you say that I bully the Muslims, and how do you know that I know nothing about Muslims?

Your assessment of me is false. I've lived among Muslims since young and I've seriously studied the claims of the Qur'an and the hadiths, but I have found them wanting. They are not the words of a loving God (Note: Allah does not love sinners).

Looks like bogoy got deceived by the so called bones.

Do this things. If do not believe in Bible least you can do is pray and ask. HE shall answer you. Just be very patient. When you pray remove the pride and hatred you have. Be humble and HE shall answer you and reveal himself. Also believe and hear what you going to hear. .

Btw :- Has yaqub said he was a ex-muslim so was I was an ex-hindu. They is no love. Only thing Hindu do is pray to Idols and worship and bow them and offer all sort of poja and festivals. But now i hate all those things. I do not hate people. I hate the pride and the religion and (demons) they have.

To understand Why Jesus came to save us. Study and understand The Old Testament first. Most people they simple do not read Bible and understand and the blame on error of it.

Just a clarification... I almost (very very close) became a Muslim, but never did. So, while I have lived among Muslims and try to reach out to them, I should not be described as an ex-Muslim. Sorry if I gave a wrong impression.

No problem. I met many muslims like you. Some of them were full dedicated to Allah. When they learned the truth. They left Islam and joined Jesus Christ. They happen to be part of Jesus family.

I also happened to ask one of them who was a muslim. Now he is a pastor. I asked him why are many Christians who are leaving Jesus and joining other. He said a simple answer. They did not have the truth. He also said that they were never a Christian. A true Christian always will be with Jesus.

now this is the answer i've been looking for... hmm my answer is i would feel nothing and would do mostly nothing but live life

i'm not saying you bully but i'm saying this to some and i mean is that you havent got that deep yet and they are some words that are loving like the part when the men were taught to have many wives in order to take care of the widows and a man can only have many wives but only if he loves 'em equally and what about there alm giving, aint that love now i'm not saying allah is another god but the same god only in a different language and different prophets but the problem with islam is that it's not adaptive unlike christianity because they still have the jihad thing and the christians had there crusade thing a hundred years before and also if you read the old testament carefully God doesnt like sinners too i dont memorize citations nor have the time too find them and typ'em here find'em yourselves and only the timeof jesus when sinners are loved as long as they reconcile and mend there ways

and maybe you could educate me more about the islam...



i told you i dont care about them bones so what they found a casket of bones who had names on it and my brain aint that small too believe what the net tells us, its the modern times my friend anybody could just make up a hoax that easy and anybody could make up anything now and it could be dna tested, the bone marrow and the blood on the nails of the cross if matched then it could be identified... better call csi

Please remember, the Jihad is an aspect of Muslim beliefs, the Crusades are not. The Crusades happened because of the unhealthiness of basing importance on man-made traditions and religious ideology rather than what the Bible actually teaches. The crusades are simply not part of the faith - yes it happened, but not because God instructed it. One of the most annoying things about these types of dicussions is the constant return to religion as it is called. Remember, one of Jesus' main points He made here was that religious councils (Pharisees) are flawed by nature and rely on tradition and Law to decide what's right rather than scripture and a relationship with God. Also, on the discussion of what I would do if they said Jesus is a lie, ect... I of course would not change any belief of mine based on what another person tries to show me in this world (the world is run by the other team quite obviously anyhow) On top of that, this is what is expected. So don't be surprised when theres all types of evidence coming against my faith and Messiah - He said Himself this would occur - so no big surprise there... am I to assume you already know how to feel when a man in the flesh performing miracles claims he is Jesus before your eyes? This too will happen, many times, in many forms, so said the Lord - this is just one of the many ways this process will continue until the real Jesus returns. Remember Jesus will not return to make nice, He will be returning with a sword - so any 'jesus' making nice on this earth is surely not the one whom my faith is in.

On another note, if you put stock into DNA testing as accurate, you are sorely mistaken. DNA testing can be good indicators of things to make correlations between materials/genetic tissues... but it is a far from perfect science, and anyhow in order to find if an object has similar DNA you need a control to compare it to in order to measure your findings. On top of all that, all things decay over time, the carbon-dating method has been proven largely inaccurate now that we understand more of how carbon levels rise and fall - DNA testing is in a similar boat. Until we know everything about DNA (which we surely do not) this method will have flaws like any other scientific method... you do remember the world was flat dont you?

The Lord God is not allah. allah is refuted to be a moon god and therefore is a false god.

Multiple wives being 'loving'? Only if adultery is cool with the Lord. 'Whosoever shall look upon a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her.' Convenient excuse since allah and his false prophet mohammed are encouraging people to commit suicide in order to murder others. Deceiving them all the way to hell. May their hearts be turned to the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Christ, Angela

ya sure ya know about this well as i know there was a time when god allowed having many wives just because the population was low but changed it later, i stated that having many wives was supposed to take care of the widows not lust why does having wives already refers to lust?

and also culture affects religion not all christians behave like other christians in different parts of the world arabs are known to be barbaric and ruthless and there way of thinking is very different so not all muslims behave this way. even the jews before behaved like this...

We know nothing about past, present or future and yet you guys are worried on what is happening now and what happened in future. Are you guys and gals getting anything out of this?. You are just a vapour. You are here today and you are gone suddenly. You worry about what the Jews or what the crusades is doing or done. Jesus came to this world just to safe and secure us. Who ever believe in him shall never pass forever but have a enternal life. Why not just focus your faith in Jesus and leave everything are you people capable of it?.

I brought up the Muslims and you immediately followed with the "bully" comment. Interesting.



meaning? As in I said that Allah does not love sinners? How do you know I have not gotten deep?



This is where you revealed how much you know about Islam. (BTW, can you please punctuate your sentences, it is very hard to follow your arguments without them). If you are not interested in going deep and studying what each religion actually says, then how do you know that it actually teaches or does not teach what you say? The exact citations are important to support or disprove your thesis. Remember, Muhammad allowed his followers to tell lies under certain circumstances. And with regards to non-believers, Islam has a lot to say, but none of which is love.

Just go http://www.quranbrowser.com and type in the word love. See what you can tell me about Allah and non-believers or sinners. As a non-Muslim, your relationship with a Muslim is governed by what the Qur'an and hadiths say (doesn't mean every Muslim follow it though).

As for Christianity, just go to http://www.biblegateway.com and type in your search.

There is no use in speaking generally.



Whenever I can help and a clear question is asked.